Next Federal Election

gs-co wrote:

your view andy-mac is due to being duped by Russian and Chinese - and Islamic - foreign interference and propaganda. It’s for instance the same framing of the West that the Chinese communist party indoctrinates into all Chinese schoolchildren.

Are you saying these foreign actors can drown out US propaganda……….i don’t think that’s a correct appraisal.

@gs-co “A lot of the anti-West and anti-US etc views we see within Western countries nowadays are due to Chinese and Russian foreign interference and social media bots.”

Nothing to do with the West treating any smaller neighbour/allie contemptuously, trickle down diplomacy? The Brit’s did it to us, the US now do it to Australia and like a bullied child we do it to our smaller neighbours. East Timor comes immediately to mind. No need for your boogeyman propaganda. Our government takes its orders from the pros.

Here's an article from 2020, when #comradedutton was home affairs minister, and his fat mouth caused BILLIONS of dollars damage to the Australian economy, when China retaliated to Spuds "simp for trump" comments where he attacked China demanding "transparency" over covid. It was these comments by Temu Donald Dutton that got our beef smashed, our seafood smashed, cotton, coal, Wine, Barley, wood etc etc etc, via sanctions. Farmers, lobster fishos, wine makers went broke. Suicides.
The Masses don't realize that over the past 2 years, a Labor senator Named Don Farrell has worked tirelessly alongside Albo, and has got ALL chinese sanctions and tariffs lifted. Could you imagine the trumpet blowing and self congratulatory pats on the back, and 10am press conferences in parliament house gardens , with 15 Aussie flags in the back ground, if it was the coalition with Scomo and Dutton?

We've just seen Temu Donald Dutton mouth off again, like he did at the Chinese Government, this time putting words into the Indonesian Presidents mouth. Dutton is a danger to our country.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-22/coronavirus-china-peter-dutton-co...

Haha

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Sheepdog wrote:

Here's an article from 2020, when #comradedutton was home affairs minister, and his fat mouth caused BILLIONS of dollars damage to the Australian economy, when China retaliated to Spuds "simp for trump" comments where he attacked China demanding "transparency" over covid. It was these comments by Temu Donald Dutton that got our beef smashed, our seafood smashed, cotton, coal, Wine, Barley, wood etc etc etc, via sanctions. Farmers, lobster fishos, wine makers went broke. Suicides.
The Masses don't realize that over the past 2 years, a Labor senator Named Don Farrell has worked tirelessly alongside Albo, and has got ALL chinese sanctions and tariffs lifted. Could you imagine the trumpet blowing and self congratulatory pats on the back, and 10am press conferences in parliament house gardens , with 15 Aussie flags in the back ground, if it was the coalition with Scomo and Dutton?

We've just seen Temu Donald Dutton mouth off again, like he did at the Chinese Government, this time putting words into the Indonesian Presidents mouth. Dutton is a danger to our country.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-22/coronavirus-china-peter-dutton-co...

In reality Sheepdog, everything the Coalition touches turns to shit,

They changed housing from a purchase to an investment via Howard's CGT concessions and allowing property to be incorporated into SMSF's.

Started importing people en masse without any consideration to infrastructure.

Gave away our resources tax free to China etc.

Obstructed the transition to renewable energy, after selling of our generators.

Stuffed up the Murray Darling Basin, though Angus did ok out of it.

Etc, etc, etc.

And now he's managed to piss off the Indonesians.

Dear Mr pirate, if your standing at a fence and see a big angry bear ,and a foreigner comes along and gives you a big stick to poke the bear with…..don’t poke the bear……Let the foreigner poke the bear himself……because he will just want the bear to chase you instead of him……
In the foreigners mindset , he will use you to try and make the bear tired……
But if the bear dosent get tired …..and just gets angrier your in deep shit.
You can call on others who don’t like bears to bail you out, ….
….but the bear has friends like dragons and other animals.
So the best thing to do…..is not poke bears….even if other people want you to….
Take note Albo.

Thanks for the fairytale opti.

I know that you’re into fairy tales as a basis for decision making in your life, but the reality is that they’re not a great basis for international politics.

Since you’re so firmly of the view that Ukraine provoked this invasion (actually 3 phased invasion), maybe you’ve got non-fairy tale way of explaining it? Even if there were grounds for disagreements between states, since when has bombing cities been an OK way to resolve it?

Seems to me that the provocation was refusal to cede territory and sovereignty. I can’t see a single territorial claim that Ukraine has made over Russian territory over the last 40 years.

But, old ground. I don’t think you think too much about it tbh. That’s the beauty of belief systems hey. You don’t need to.

flollo wrote:

Muslims in Sydney stared and distanced? That's news to me. Maybe in some pockets but Muslims are an integral part of daily Sydney life. I can't even imagine a day without interacting with a Muslim.

of course, you are right, surry hills, warriewood, lakemba or bathurst? multiculturalism rather than integration? all that.
But aggregated, 3 in 4 Aussie Muslims identify as 'Australian' before their ancestral country, yet 80% report to have had unfavourable treatment based on their being a Muslim, and 1 in 4 feel they can't speak up about such treatment. If we insist on having religion strutting about, in fair go Australia, my personal view, we should be doing more betterer..

remember, this is in the context of being a friendly neighbour to Indo, while real-estate Russia spikes the local arak with smouldery vodka..

Yep
Indeed

Meanwhile Ms Hamer, the 30 something Liberal candidate who had painted herself as renter, who owns apartments in Canberra and London has now been revealed as a beneficiary of a $20 million family trust.

Pretty funny the other day with spuds son nearly in tears because he’s finding it tough to save a deposit and buy a house . The funny bit is , if spud can’t help his son buy a house with his own personal wealth, how the hell could this #bettermoneymanager help the average Aussie ?

Supafreak wrote:

Pretty funny the other day with spuds son nearly in tears because he’s finding it tough to save a deposit and buy a house . The funny bit is , if spud can’t help his son buy a house with his own personal wealth, how the hell could this #bettermoneymanager help the average Aussie ?

100% @supra, and this

GuySmiley wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Pretty funny the other day with spuds son nearly in tears because he’s finding it tough to save a deposit and buy a house . The funny bit is , if spud can’t help his son buy a house with his own personal wealth, how the hell could this #bettermoneymanager help the average Aussie ?

100% @supra, and this

Dutton, the piggiest pig of them all, $250 million in his piggy bank and his kid can’t afford a house.

Well, he will just have to huff and puff until the walls fall down. Give us a break.
Dutton could buy a whole small country town.

BTW, where did he get all that money from ? AW

"But aggregated, 3 in 4 Aussie Muslims identify as 'Australian' before their ancestral country, yet 80% report to have had unfavourable treatment based on their being a Muslim, and 1 in 4 feel they can't speak up about such treatment. If we insist on having religion strutting about, in fair go Australia, my personal view, we should be doing more betterer.."

define 'unfavourable treatment'

I used to work with a muslim guy, good dude, straight up ozzie on the exterior. but the guy would never ever ever shut up that work wouldn't let him have fridays off to go to the mosque... relentless...

unfavourable treatment... yeh possibly, but bad luck...

as to your indo example, ask any bule living in indo if they ever experience 'unfavourable treatment?

the answer... hell yeh! everyday...

ask any christian living in any predominantly muslim village in java...

ask any christian living in ambon...

ask a hindu living in java...

ask a muslim living next to ht's...

ask any non muslim living near medewi...

sorry, but welcome to the real world

good onya for caring and stuff... but this hating on 'racist' australia stuff is just totally misplaced and tiresome

yeh there's some miserable racists around, but this 'australua is full of racist bogans' narrative is plain bullshit

australia, without doubt, is as good as, it better than, just about anywhere on the planet when it comes to accepting people, whatever their background...

it might be on the ropes currently admittedly

but there's good reason for that...

nope. we are australia, 96% newcomers, we can and will do better..
(nice comparison btw.. are these bules migrants that now identify legally and ideologically as Indonesian?)

sorry, I don't think we will...

not for at least 20 years anyway

the will to do better has been broken

too much brow beating, too much self loathing, ..and simply too many bodies imported in an increasingly hostile world...

peak nice has peaked

you should check 'the vibe' in bali

its a bit of a global phenomenon it would seem

peak globalisation you might say...

[ABC] Live Debate

That's the attitude that will solve it. Cheers Syp.

truebluebasher wrote:

[ABC] Live Debate

Dutton already saying grandparents can’t retire because their propping up grandkids
He talks shit. Scare campaign goes lame.
None the less let’s move on. Nothing either party does will fix affordable housing. It’s too far gone.
Their just talking nonsense for votes.

I don't make the rules, just reporting them...

sorry, but it's a game of diminishing returns

now...

the 'liberalisation'

the globalisation

the brow beating...

the neo-liberal-isation

flogged horse is dead

the sooner we move on the better...

Brow beating Syp?
Who’s brow beating the OZ people that much that we’re all excessively self loathing now.
Who is really self loathing?
Then you mention peak nice has peaked. Therefore it’s a decline into what you claim doesn’t exist. The self interested blame game that often manifests as racism.
Right wing nationalists having a good nudge all over the western world these days it seems.

haha, dutton's just reporting the same stuff on the tellybision..

oh @syp... I'm happy to look foolish while flying my sad little flag..
when I meet impressive young people and their clever, clear eyed friends,
as they steel themselves to run this world, they are carrying similar flags.
It's a human thing. We never even copied each other's vexillography.
I don't make the rules either, just reporting ; )

Glans with glasses denying climate change in the energy debate tonight. Geez!!
Dutton deflected all night and Spears had to redirect him constantly back to the question.

my gawwwds... was that not the most boring, seemingly inconsequential, election debate ever?

I had to turn it off, as a self diagnosed political tragic, I think it's not insignificant that I felt the need to turn it off...

is it in the bag for albo enough yet that we can share the funny and inconvenient meanderings of albo?

there's so much out there, but I'm trying to show restraint...

yes, this is with restraint

and yes, there's lots of dutton material out there too... but tbh, much like him, it's just plain predictable and shit

lame

hilarious in succession

https://x.com/QBCCIntegrity/status/1912303089916526721

https://x.com/nogulagsagain/status/1912447405154554317

some weird head going on with that chick... wtf is that all about?

and, when the hell did the australian PM become an untouchable?

...an approachable?

everything that's gone wrong in oz politics is evident in albo's constant need to be shepherded away from the public...

sypkan wrote:

hilarious in succession

https://x.com/QBCCIntegrity/status/1912303089916526721

https://x.com/nogulagsagain/status/1912447405154554317

some weird head going on with that chick... wtf is that all about?

and, when the hell did the australian PM become an untouchable?

...an approachable?

everything that's gone wrong in oz politics is evident in albo's constant need to be shepherded away from the public...

^ my gawwwds... were they not the most boring, seemingly inconsequential, sad gotcha attempts ever?
Australia just can't sensationalise quite like the yanks.. gawwwd we try.. it's all quite disappointing..

Untouchable?
Unapproachable?
Probably happened since peak niceness peaked and the right wing nuts began going on hiking camps in ze vilderness to have their not nazi reach arounds.
Someone call security!!!!

no they weren't

albo gotcha'd himself

I though it funny, tragic funny, not haha funny...

Anyway, goodnight to the folks in Aus, we'll get there. And boosucks to the folks in far-flung climes.. we feel for you.. may your nasi goreng, may your pumpkin pie, may your cabbage roll and in seriousness, may your loved ones feel safe. Nice that @icandig popped in, give @VJ and @goofy a hug if you see them.

and as the traditional far-flung saying goes:

"May you walk away from annoying instruments,
May you display on yourself three oversized buttons,
And until we meet again,
May you oft stand equidistantly placed
Among four work colleagues in bracken and on turf."

I have zero interest in this election. I’ll vote because I have to but I’m slowly losing interest in politics and specifically, in the choices presented at this election. Nothing I do will change anything in this country. That’s the reality of it. Spending time on it makes no sense to me.

^^ @slurpy continuing to post links to lunatic fringe conspiracy theorists X accounts here all the while attempting to use the very same posts as some sort of weird parallel universe evidence that he’s against both sides of politics stance, really I am, scout’s honour dib dib dib I am. The algorithm worm hole your in isn’t good @slurps

Sypkan. Hi.

I’ve gone over at least 20 of yours posts of late on these forum topics.

Nothing makes sense what you write.

I’ll lend you my grandmother’s great quote from when I was a kid, it’s a good one, I don’t lend it often, but I feel the need to at this point in time.

‘Make sure your brain is engaged before putting mouth into gear’. She’s just saying.
Fair dinkum. AW

Edit. Question. Is Sypkan just the jumbled up spelling of Spanky, just asking for a recent sex change mate ? Are you hiding something from us ?

flollo wrote:

I have zero interest in this election. I’ll vote because I have to but I’m slowly losing interest in politics and specifically, in the choices presented at this election. Nothing I do will change anything in this country. That’s the reality of it. Spending time on it makes no sense to me.

I feel similar, ive got little interest in this election, two very uninspiring leaders and there is no way history is going to be made and labor loses after one term (hasn't happened since 1930's)

The election after this one though is completely different ball game.

Pretty uninspiring stuff. The fact that both leaders need to mention Hawke/Keating or Howard as great examples of whatever says it all.

Old @Sypkan's been sypin' a few too many kans of late I reckon @AW,

again...

@Indo, what's that "ball game" gonna be?

Dodge Ball?
Pocket billiards?
Ball in the hole?

Both our candidates for PM are shitful this election.
But Dutts is making some rookie errors, backtracking on comments, making shit up then retracting it.
Mark McGowan was right when he said this about the LNP dimwit leader

Dutts is just "not that bright".
https://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/west-australian-premi...

Albo is just a weak leader, can't make a speech without rote regurgitation.
Piss weak.
But he can spruik for Tassal, Canadian multinational Salmon farmers who fuck our pristine waterways and pay no/SFA tax. They delisted from the ASX FFS.

Jarvis Cocker was right when he sang...
"Cunts still rule the world"

flow wrote:

Pretty uninspiring stuff. The fact that both leaders need to mention Hawke/Keating or Howard as great examples of whatever says it all.

Yes, let's use old man who ruled decades ago as an inspiration to mobilise the mob. It's depressing.

basesix wrote:

sypkan wrote:

hilarious in succession

https://x.com/QBCCIntegrity/status/1912303089916526721

https://x.com/nogulagsagain/status/1912447405154554317

some weird head going on with that chick... wtf is that all about?

and, when the hell did the australian PM become an untouchable?

...an approachable?

everything that's gone wrong in oz politics is evident in albo's constant need to be shepherded away from the public...

^ my gawwwds... were they not the most boring, seemingly inconsequential, sad gotcha attempts ever?
Australia just can't sensationalise quite like the yanks.. gawwwd we try.. it's all quite disappointing..

There is also a security issue.

‘Make sure your brain is engaged before putting mouth into gear’. She’s just saying.
Fair dinkum. AW

Haha my dad use to hit me with that often...

Thanks AW.

WTF ? He can’t be serious. He’s told some porky’s before but this one is up there with his best .

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The "ball game" election will be held at the end (constitutionally anyway) of Trump's presidency so anything could happen between now and then both internationally and domestically. Australians have traditionally liked their politics in the centre +/- left/right as witnessed with Dutton's fall in the polls because of justified concerns about the LNP copying the Trump agenda.

If Labor win this election as is highly likely who will lead the LNP and in which direction? It is not as if they have any talent in their ranks. They find themselves increasingly the party of political and religious conservatives and the drift to the (far) right seemingly will continue so where will the seats ever come from in the future to form government, certainly not current Teal seats. No, if Labor don't screw up in a major way they are looking at another 2-3+ terms in power unless the Liberals reverse their current direction. I'm not saying that is necessarily a good thing but that's how I see it playing out atm.

Just a reminder of Peter Dutton's integrity....................

GuySmiley wrote:

The "ball game" election will be held at the end (constitutionally anyway) of Trump's presidency so anything could happen between now and then both internationally and domestically. Australians have traditionally liked their politics in the centre +/- left/right as witnessed with Dutton's fall in the polls because of justified concerns about the LNP copying the Trump agenda.

If Labor win this election as is highly likely who will lead the LNP and in which direction? It is not as if they have any talent in their ranks. They find themselves increasingly the party of political and religious conservatives and the drift to the (far) right seemingly will continue so where will the seats ever come from in the future to form government, certainly not current Teal seats. No, if Labor don't screw up in a major way they are looking at another 2-3+ terms in power unless the Liberals reverse their current direction. I'm not saying that is necessarily a good thing but that's how I see it playing out atm.

Icing on the cake would be Dutton losing his seat and a proper investigation into some of his alleged shady dealings.....

That Labor didn't go harder with NACC is their biggest let down in my view.

They would have taken some hits, but not as much as the LNP, looking at you Angus, and would have set up the political situation in Australia with less corruption..

How many charged over Robodebt?

It's worth watching yesterdays interview with Patricia Karvelis on ABC about the Russian story. She pulled him up a couple of times about his statement and made it very clear that she had heard no statements from the Indonesian President but he kept doubling down and went in hard against Penny Wong through the whole interview. Although most politicians lie to a certain extent he is someone who has continually made shit up and then uses those lies to attack someone or some group to score points. He laughs about islands going under water and people losing their homes for fuck sake. He's a man who hides behind constant distractions because there's nothing else of substance about him. He's a lying vicious cunt with zero compassion or interest in anyone outside of his narrow idea of acceptability or is not of any use to his ambitions and anyone who thinks he's a suitable person to be running the country needs their head read.

edit: Yep any-mac, they could have cleaned out the parliament a bit with better legislation, not a very inspiring effort

GuySmiley wrote:

^^ @slurpy continuing to post links to lunatic fringe conspiracy theorists X accounts here all the while attempting to use the very same posts as some sort of weird parallel universe evidence that he’s against both sides of politics stance, really I am, scout’s honour dib dib dib I am. The algorithm worm hole your in isn’t good @slurps

With such vivacious and fine spirited election fever in the air…
- it’s just glorious, you can feel it

There is definitely something in the air
… you can even find it at ya local pub ;)

& a worthy and gracious tribute to scummo at the 2 minute mark of this divine multicultural celebration of authentic strayan expression…

you're a funny man frownyman...

I could post links from the labor stooge accounts I follow, like political spinner, wazza from melbourne, hankey head etc...

but they are all incredibly boring... and all they do is whinge about patricia karvelas being the mouthpiece of murdoch or dutton or something...

then I turn on patrica karvelas, and I see this...

Fliplid wrote:

It's worth watching yesterdays interview with Patricia Karvelis on ABC about the Russian story. She pulled him up a couple of times about his statement and made it very clear that she had heard no statements from the Indonesian President but he kept doubling down and went in hard against Penny Wong through the whole interview. Although most politicians lie to a certain extent he is someone who has continually made shit up and then uses those lies to attack someone or some group to score points. He laughs about islands going under water and people losing their homes for fuck sake. He's a man who hides behind constant distractions because there's nothing else of substance about him. He's a lying vicious cunt with zero compassion or interest in anyone outside of his narrow idea of acceptability or is not of any use to his ambitions and anyone who thinks he's a suitable person to be running the country needs their head read.

edit: Yep any-mac, they could have cleaned out the parliament a bit with better legislation, not a very inspiring effort

and I think... what fucking universe are these hyper partisan whingey nutbags living in?

a bit like you...

I reckon this chick is gonna do alright

I was thinking I could even vote for her... but then she went on an aid bashing bent...

(I don't really like that, instantly off putting - but then again, half the countries on her list look totally tokenistic rather than actually strategic...)

anyway, I hope she does alright

anything but labor liberal!

https://x.com/MadisonKing_fox

Integrity and Dutton don’t belong in the same sentence .

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sypkan wrote:

I reckon this chick is gonna do alright

I was thinking I could even vote for her... but then she went on an aid bashing bent...

(I don't really like that, instantly off putting - but then again, half the countries on her list look totally tokenistic rather than actually strategic...)

anyway, I hope she does alright

anything but labor liberal!

https://x.com/MadisonKing_fox

^ haha, 'ol' wobbly-eyes' Maddie is @JF's old girlfriend, @udo set them up.

I haven't checked this account out either, no vetting, sorry...

I don't care

who or what she is...

once again, vids simply don't lie... especially an official governmenty one...

the numbers in this vid are mind blowing

(and the squirming very telling)

labor's 'job creation'

https://x.com/MadsMelbourne/status/1896475026343501884

the money they've blown, the desperate measures they've taken...

we should all feel like we're bathing in gold

aside from being a prick, dutton's got nothing, but how anyone can vote for this current trajectory we're on I'll never understand...

Labor Liberal Last!