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gs-co wrote:

your view andy-mac is due to being duped by Russian and Chinese - and Islamic - foreign interference and propaganda. It’s for instance the same framing of the West that the Chinese communist party indoctrinates into all Chinese schoolchildren.

Are you saying these foreign actors can drown out US propaganda……….i don’t think that’s a correct appraisal.

@gs-co “A lot of the anti-West and anti-US etc views we see within Western countries nowadays are due to Chinese and Russian foreign interference and social media bots.”

Nothing to do with the West treating any smaller neighbour/allie contemptuously, trickle down diplomacy? The Brit’s did it to us, the US now do it to Australia and like a bullied child we do it to our smaller neighbours. East Timor comes immediately to mind. No need for your boogeyman propaganda. Our government takes its orders from the pros.

Here's an article from 2020, when #comradedutton was home affairs minister, and his fat mouth caused BILLIONS of dollars damage to the Australian economy, when China retaliated to Spuds "simp for trump" comments where he attacked China demanding "transparency" over covid. It was these comments by Temu Donald Dutton that got our beef smashed, our seafood smashed, cotton, coal, Wine, Barley, wood etc etc etc, via sanctions. Farmers, lobster fishos, wine makers went broke. Suicides.
The Masses don't realize that over the past 2 years, a Labor senator Named Don Farrell has worked tirelessly alongside Albo, and has got ALL chinese sanctions and tariffs lifted. Could you imagine the trumpet blowing and self congratulatory pats on the back, and 10am press conferences in parliament house gardens , with 15 Aussie flags in the back ground, if it was the coalition with Scomo and Dutton?

We've just seen Temu Donald Dutton mouth off again, like he did at the Chinese Government, this time putting words into the Indonesian Presidents mouth. Dutton is a danger to our country.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-22/coronavirus-china-peter-dutton-co...

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Sheepdog wrote:

Here's an article from 2020, when #comradedutton was home affairs minister, and his fat mouth caused BILLIONS of dollars damage to the Australian economy, when China retaliated to Spuds "simp for trump" comments where he attacked China demanding "transparency" over covid. It was these comments by Temu Donald Dutton that got our beef smashed, our seafood smashed, cotton, coal, Wine, Barley, wood etc etc etc, via sanctions. Farmers, lobster fishos, wine makers went broke. Suicides.
The Masses don't realize that over the past 2 years, a Labor senator Named Don Farrell has worked tirelessly alongside Albo, and has got ALL chinese sanctions and tariffs lifted. Could you imagine the trumpet blowing and self congratulatory pats on the back, and 10am press conferences in parliament house gardens , with 15 Aussie flags in the back ground, if it was the coalition with Scomo and Dutton?

We've just seen Temu Donald Dutton mouth off again, like he did at the Chinese Government, this time putting words into the Indonesian Presidents mouth. Dutton is a danger to our country.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-22/coronavirus-china-peter-dutton-co...

In reality Sheepdog, everything the Coalition touches turns to shit,

They changed housing from a purchase to an investment via Howard's CGT concessions and allowing property to be incorporated into SMSF's.

Started importing people en masse without any consideration to infrastructure.

Gave away our resources tax free to China etc.

Obstructed the transition to renewable energy, after selling of our generators.

Stuffed up the Murray Darling Basin, though Angus did ok out of it.

Etc, etc, etc.

And now he's managed to piss off the Indonesians.

Dear Mr pirate, if your standing at a fence and see a big angry bear ,and a foreigner comes along and gives you a big stick to poke the bear with…..don’t poke the bear……Let the foreigner poke the bear himself……because he will just want the bear to chase you instead of him……
In the foreigners mindset , he will use you to try and make the bear tired……
But if the bear dosent get tired …..and just gets angrier your in deep shit.
You can call on others who don’t like bears to bail you out, ….
….but the bear has friends like dragons and other animals.
So the best thing to do…..is not poke bears….even if other people want you to….
Take note Albo.

Thanks for the fairytale opti.

I know that you’re into fairy tales as a basis for decision making in your life, but the reality is that they’re not a great basis for international politics.

Since you’re so firmly of the view that Ukraine provoked this invasion (actually 3 phased invasion), maybe you’ve got non-fairy tale way of explaining it? Even if there were grounds for disagreements between states, since when has bombing cities been an OK way to resolve it?

Seems to me that the provocation was refusal to cede territory and sovereignty. I can’t see a single territorial claim that Ukraine has made over Russian territory over the last 40 years.

But, old ground. I don’t think you think too much about it tbh. That’s the beauty of belief systems hey. You don’t need to.

flollo wrote:

Muslims in Sydney stared and distanced? That's news to me. Maybe in some pockets but Muslims are an integral part of daily Sydney life. I can't even imagine a day without interacting with a Muslim.

of course, you are right, surry hills, warriewood, lakemba or bathurst? multiculturalism rather than integration? all that.
But aggregated, 3 in 4 Aussie Muslims identify as 'Australian' before their ancestral country, yet 80% report to have had unfavourable treatment based on their being a Muslim, and 1 in 4 feel they can't speak up about such treatment. If we insist on having religion strutting about, in fair go Australia, my personal view, we should be doing more betterer..

remember, this is in the context of being a friendly neighbour to Indo, while real-estate Russia spikes the local arak with smouldery vodka..

Yep
Indeed

Meanwhile Ms Hamer, the 30 something Liberal candidate who had painted herself as renter, who owns apartments in Canberra and London has now been revealed as a beneficiary of a $20 million family trust.

Pretty funny the other day with spuds son nearly in tears because he’s finding it tough to save a deposit and buy a house . The funny bit is , if spud can’t help his son buy a house with his own personal wealth, how the hell could this #bettermoneymanager help the average Aussie ?

Supafreak wrote:

Pretty funny the other day with spuds son nearly in tears because he’s finding it tough to save a deposit and buy a house . The funny bit is , if spud can’t help his son buy a house with his own personal wealth, how the hell could this #bettermoneymanager help the average Aussie ?

100% @supra, and this

GuySmiley wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Pretty funny the other day with spuds son nearly in tears because he’s finding it tough to save a deposit and buy a house . The funny bit is , if spud can’t help his son buy a house with his own personal wealth, how the hell could this #bettermoneymanager help the average Aussie ?

100% @supra, and this

Dutton, the piggiest pig of them all, $250 million in his piggy bank and his kid can’t afford a house.

Well, he will just have to huff and puff until the walls fall down. Give us a break.
Dutton could buy a whole small country town.

BTW, where did he get all that money from ? AW

"But aggregated, 3 in 4 Aussie Muslims identify as 'Australian' before their ancestral country, yet 80% report to have had unfavourable treatment based on their being a Muslim, and 1 in 4 feel they can't speak up about such treatment. If we insist on having religion strutting about, in fair go Australia, my personal view, we should be doing more betterer.."

define 'unfavourable treatment'

I used to work with a muslim guy, good dude, straight up ozzie on the exterior. but the guy would never ever ever shut up that work wouldn't let him have fridays off to go to the mosque... relentless...

unfavourable treatment... yeh possibly, but bad luck...

as to your indo example, ask any bule living in indo if they ever experience 'unfavourable treatment?

the answer... hell yeh! everyday...

ask any christian living in any predominantly muslim village in java...

ask any christian living in ambon...

ask a hindu living in java...

ask a muslim living next to ht's...

ask any non muslim living near medewi...

sorry, but welcome to the real world

good onya for caring and stuff... but this hating on 'racist' australia stuff is just totally misplaced and tiresome

yeh there's some miserable racists around, but this 'australua is full of racist bogans' narrative is plain bullshit

australia, without doubt, is as good as, it better than, just about anywhere on the planet when it comes to accepting people, whatever their background...

it might be on the ropes currently admittedly

but there's good reason for that...

nope. we are australia, 96% newcomers, we can and will do better..
(nice comparison btw.. are these bules migrants that now identify legally and ideologically as Indonesian?)

sorry, I don't think we will...

not for at least 20 years anyway

the will to do better has been broken

too much brow beating, too much self loathing, ..and simply too many bodies imported in an increasingly hostile world...

peak nice has peaked

you should check 'the vibe' in bali

its a bit of a global phenomenon it would seem

peak globalisation you might say...

[ABC] Live Debate

That's the attitude that will solve it. Cheers Syp.

truebluebasher wrote:

[ABC] Live Debate

Dutton already saying grandparents can’t retire because their propping up grandkids
He talks shit. Scare campaign goes lame.
None the less let’s move on. Nothing either party does will fix affordable housing. It’s too far gone.
Their just talking nonsense for votes.

I don't make the rules, just reporting them...

sorry, but it's a game of diminishing returns

now...

the 'liberalisation'

the globalisation

the brow beating...

the neo-liberal-isation

flogged horse is dead

the sooner we move on the better...

Brow beating Syp?
Who’s brow beating the OZ people that much that we’re all excessively self loathing now.
Who is really self loathing?
Then you mention peak nice has peaked. Therefore it’s a decline into what you claim doesn’t exist. The self interested blame game that often manifests as racism.
Right wing nationalists having a good nudge all over the western world these days it seems.

haha, dutton's just reporting the same stuff on the tellybision..

oh @syp... I'm happy to look foolish while flying my sad little flag..
when I meet impressive young people and their clever, clear eyed friends,
as they steel themselves to run this world, they are carrying similar flags.
It's a human thing. We never even copied each other's vexillography.
I don't make the rules either, just reporting ; )

Glans with glasses denying climate change in the energy debate tonight. Geez!!
Dutton deflected all night and Spears had to redirect him constantly back to the question.