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factotum started the topic in Thursday, 27 Aug 2020 at 11:12am

Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank

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Jelly Flater Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 8:16pm

…intermission ;)

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seeds Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 8:17pm

Post changing very fast. Drop kick.
Remember when they were a thing in VFL
Still a thing in RU and RL

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basesix Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 8:17pm
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No you’re right, I like a Kindy pile on as much
the next social media nerd.

oh good (phew). I thought you might become one of those posters who carries on about the forum interaction, rather than the topic.

I know I flog the hackneyed pub metaphor, but I'd love to sit down with indo, burleigh, robbo, PoppaD and Mal and have a beer and a schnitty (or a soda and plant-based limpet, as the case may be). All have views at variance with my own, but know how to have a bit of a perky chat about it. such is the joy of SN forums. golden.

Enjoy, @jef.

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adam12 Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 8:20pm

RFK Jnr, the new head of HHS, explaining how heroin helped him to be a better student.
https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1861079040267858175
But apparently he has some good ideas, so the beached whale dissecting and the dead bear fun and the heroin helps study stuff and the Gen. Jack Ripper fluoridation rants you just ignore.
Cool.
Kennedy's, particularly those in politics, have a habit of meeting grisly ends.
I wonder what Bobby Jnr.'s future holds.

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seeds Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 8:22pm

Holy shit balls?

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Exxotixjeff Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 8:30pm
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What have I thieved. A cab ride? You’ve got me there! Guilty as charged.

Yes it is theft , ask a resident lawyer, you just stole all the money and time you owed him.
Like I’ll see your wallet and take $50 out of it and run away like a hero, and you want me to look at myself.
He actually loses the $40 or $ 50 on the meter
and you think it’s a joke.

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Exxotixjeff Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 8:46pm
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Exxotixjeff wrote:

No you’re right, I like a Kindy pile on as much
the next social media nerd.

oh good (phew). I thought you might become one of those posters who carries on about the forum interaction, rather than the topic.

I know I flog the hackneyed pub metaphor, but I'd love to sit down with indo, burleigh, robbo, PoppaD and Mal and have a beer and a schnitty (or a soda and plant-based limpet, as the case may be). All have views at variance with my own, but know how to have a bit of a perky chat about it. such is the joy of SN forums. golden.

Enjoy, @jef.

Yeah I like doing the same, but not necessarily with anonymous comments, who have already unloaded on you ,
You might think that’s normal interaction, but it’s a bit too unpredictable for my liking.
Like I know I called you an f ing. c word
But now I like you again,
Like I don’t mind conversing with nice people
on line, but I have no intention to venture into a stranger’s world.

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basesix Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 8:46pm

mm, same advice I gave Opti, ashsam, etc when they felt picked on. .. take an interest in what other people post, it's a community. I get that 'out there' it might me a bit more anonymous and care free, but here is more like a line-up. Give respect. There's no pecking order, but put some time into listening.

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seeds Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 8:44pm
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seeds wrote:

What have I thieved. A cab ride? You’ve got me there! Guilty as charged.

Yes it is theft , ask a resident lawyer, you just stole all the money and time you owed him.
Like I’ll see your wallet and take $50 out of it and run away like a hero, and you want me to look at myself.
He actually loses the $40 or $ 50 on the meter
and you think it’s a joke.

I don’t think it’s a joke.
I admit it was wrong. I was young and stupid.
What’s your excuse for being a complete wanker. Age?

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Exxotixjeff Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 8:59pm
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mm, same advice I gave Opti, ashsam, etc when they felt picked on. .. take an interest in what other people post, it's a community. I get that 'out there' it might me a bit more anonymous and care free, but here is more like a line-up. Give respect. There's no pecking order, but put some time into listening.

See that’s the exact point.
Seeds was a wonderful guy the other night when he was pissed and stoned , now he’s done the whole Jekyll and Hyde thing , that’s why I don’t really want to know,
Having said that you nearly always have something positive to say, so I can’t complain there .
I have a theory, guys who like to surf in a set crowded local scene are always putting shit on other people,
But guys who search out uncrowded waves are a lot more down to earth.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 9:01pm

@juliang , with the posts you put up from far left sources , who are you trying to save ? Or what are you trying to explain to everyone on this forum ? Is it trumps a bad man and none of us realise it ? Exactly what are you hoping to achieve ? I’m just a bit lost of the endless cycle of YouTube content and what you’re hoping to get across . I don’t watch them as I’ve said before, as soon as I see the headline then the source is msnbc or MTN I know basically what it’s going to say . I don’t expect you to answer as this isn’t a “ demand “ , I just don’t understand what you’re trying to accomplish . ….. edit …. You should be able to change your name in the settings . Go into my account.

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seeds Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 9:04pm

I was well sober.
Judgements on the day with information
Could you possibly be a wanker and piss people off?

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Exxotixjeff Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 9:12pm
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@juliang , with the posts you put up from far left sources , who are you trying to save ? Or what are you trying to explain to everyone on this forum ? Is it trumps a bad man and none of us realise it ? Exactly what are you hoping to achieve ? I’m just a bit lost of the endless cycle of YouTube content and what you’re hoping to get across . I don’t watch them as I’ve said before, as soon as I see the headline then the source is msnbc or MTN I know basically what it’s going to say . I don’t expect you to answer as this isn’t a “ demand “ , I just don’t understand what you’re trying to accomplish . ….. edit …. You should be able to change your name in the settings .

Well haven’t you seen all the other videos people post,
And no we don’t know what’s going to happen in the US in the next 4 years,
Its unknown territory,
That’s why it’s interesting to see what’s happening day to day
and find out how the democracy people and lawyers, might be able to counteract it.
To be honest the main stream media say
Jack shit about nothing.
There’s no far left
I put up videos from attorneys,lawyers who have served on the federal courts
Trumps ex attorney and secretary
So to say they’re all far left is basically
bull shit
If people don’t watch them why do you get offended by them.
I’ll look in settings then

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basesix Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 9:16pm
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basesix wrote:

mm, same advice I gave Opti, ashsam, etc when they felt picked on. .. take an interest in what other people post, it's a community. I get that 'out there' it might me a bit more anonymous and care free, but here is more like a line-up. Give respect. There's no pecking order, but put some time into listening.

See that’s the exact point.
Seeds was a wonderful guy the other night when he was pissed and stoned , now he’s done the whole Jekyll and Hyde thing , that’s why I don’t really want to know,
Having said that you nearly always have something positive to say, so I can’t complain there .
I have a theory, guys who like to surf in a set crowded local scene are always putting shit on other people,
But guys who search out uncrowded waves are a lot more down to earth.

It's simpler than that, it's a north/south thing.
once we get seeds. tbb and andy-mac down here,
and send indo up north, all will be right with the world ; )

(I get shit-stirred for being nice to people, it's a fair cop,
you've met surfers before, right?)

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tubeshooter Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 9:17pm

Let's say all you say is true E-jeff, what can you do about it here, as superfreak asked?
SFA

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seeds Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 9:21pm

Nah
Erotic Jeff’s is a complete toss pot
Carrot cake can’t relate to normal people
Doesn’t get it either!

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basesix Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 9:26pm

move down here @seeds, and you'll calm yer farm : )
(massive rain hitting here right now..
yeewww.. take that, yellow lawn!!)

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seeds Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 9:29pm

Isn’t rain always a good thing. Until your house starts floating away!

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Exxotixjeff Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 9:30pm
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Let's say all you say is true E-jeff, what can you do about it here, as superfreak asked?
SFA

Well I guess if the shit hits the fan
and Dutton becomes PM , as
Basesix said that ideology could spread here,
But it’s just good to know that other people
are finding ways to maybe counteract it,
That’s why I follow the channels that tell you what’s happening .
They may be pro democracy but they still tell you what’s happening if you watch them,
Some are more interesting than others .

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AlfredWallace Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 9:32pm
Exxotixjeff wrote:
basesix wrote:

mm, same advice I gave Opti, ashsam, etc when they felt picked on. .. take an interest in what other people post, it's a community. I get that 'out there' it might me a bit more anonymous and care free, but here is more like a line-up. Give respect. There's no pecking order, but put some time into listening.

See that’s the exact point.
Seeds was a wonderful guy the other night when he was pissed and stoned , now he’s done the whole Jekyll and Hyde thing , that’s why I don’t really want to know,
Having said that you nearly always have something positive to say, so I can’t complain there .
I have a theory, guys who like to surf in a set crowded local scene are always putting shit on other people,
But guys who search out uncrowded waves are a lot more down to earth.

‘But guys who search out uncrowded waves are a lot more down to earth.’

Really ? Whats the name of your boat for searching uncrowded waves , can I guess.

The Undies Explorer. AW

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Exxotixjeff Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 9:32pm
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Nah
Erotic Jeff’s is a complete toss pot
Carrot cake can’t relate to normal people
Doesn’t get it either!

You think this thread is like relating to normal people
It’s anonymous words on a screen
That’s not normal dude

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Supafreak Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 9:45pm
Exxotixjeff wrote:
Supafreak wrote:

@juliang , with the posts you put up from far left sources , who are you trying to save ? Or what are you trying to explain to everyone on this forum ? Is it trumps a bad man and none of us realise it ? Exactly what are you hoping to achieve ? I’m just a bit lost of the endless cycle of YouTube content and what you’re hoping to get across . I don’t watch them as I’ve said before, as soon as I see the headline then the source is msnbc or MTN I know basically what it’s going to say . I don’t expect you to answer as this isn’t a “ demand “ , I just don’t understand what you’re trying to accomplish . ….. edit …. You should be able to change your name in the settings .

Well haven’t you seen all the other videos people post,
And no we don’t know what’s going to happen in the US in the next 4 years,
Its unknown territory,
That’s why it’s interesting to see what’s happening day to day
and find out how the democracy people and lawyers, might be able to counteract it.
To be honest the main stream media say
Jack shit about nothing.
There’s no far left
I put up videos from attorneys,lawyers who have served on the federal courts
Trumps ex attorney and secretary
So to say they’re all far left is basically
bull shit
If people don’t watch them why do you get offended by them.
I’ll look in settings then

I don’t get offended by them because I don’t watch them, MTN and MSNBC are far left media outlets . You really need to check your sources . I don’t bother with the other YouTube channels because you don’t check your sources credibility.

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Exxotixjeff Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 9:47pm
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Exxotixjeff wrote:
basesix wrote:

mm, same advice I gave Opti, ashsam, etc when they felt picked on. .. take an interest in what other people post, it's a community. I get that 'out there' it might me a bit more anonymous and care free, but here is more like a line-up. Give respect. There's no pecking order, but put some time into listening.

See that’s the exact point.
Seeds was a wonderful guy the other night when he was pissed and stoned , now he’s done the whole Jekyll and Hyde thing , that’s why I don’t really want to know,
Having said that you nearly always have something positive to say, so I can’t complain there .
I have a theory, guys who like to surf in a set crowded local scene are always putting shit on other people,
But guys who search out uncrowded waves are a lot more down to earth.

‘But guys who search out uncrowded waves are a lot more down to earth.’

Really ? Whats the name of your boat for searching uncrowded waves , can I guess.

The Undies Explorer. AW

Sorry I don’t get your kooky humour
But you don’t actually need a boat to get uncrowded waves
If you have some local knowledge, and some imagination and some luck.
It’s not that hard.
But I guess some people are creatures of habit
and enjoy hassling.

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seeds Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 9:47pm

Pretty normal.
You’re not normal

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adam12 Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 9:51pm

"The Undies Explorer. AW'
"Sorry I don’t get your kooky humour"

Aw, c'mon Jeff.
That was funny.
Made me laugh.

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Exxotixjeff Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 9:55pm
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"The Undies Explorer. AW'
"Sorry I don’t get your kooky humour"

Aw c'mon Jeff.
That was funny.
Made me laugh.

Ok it was pretty funny
I’ll just laugh anyway
Haha
Keeping in mind you do admit to having the humour of an 8 year old,
Which must be the same for
Charles Darwin

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basesix Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 9:58pm

that's the spirit.
any usa things people..
@wax, how's things treating you?

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Jelly Flater Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 10:01pm

https://m.

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Exxotixjeff Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 10:15pm
Supafreak wrote:
Exxotixjeff wrote:
Supafreak wrote:

@juliang , with the posts you put up from far left sources , who are you trying to save ? Or what are you trying to explain to everyone on this forum ? Is it trumps a bad man and none of us realise it ? Exactly what are you hoping to achieve ? I’m just a bit lost of the endless cycle of YouTube content and what you’re hoping to get across . I don’t watch them as I’ve said before, as soon as I see the headline then the source is msnbc or MTN I know basically what it’s going to say . I don’t expect you to answer as this isn’t a “ demand “ , I just don’t understand what you’re trying to accomplish . ….. edit …. You should be able to change your name in the settings .

Well haven’t you seen all the other videos people post,
And no we don’t know what’s going to happen in the US in the next 4 years,
Its unknown territory,
That’s why it’s interesting to see what’s happening day to day
and find out how the democracy people and lawyers, might be able to counteract it.
To be honest the main stream media say
Jack shit about nothing.
There’s no far left
I put up videos from attorneys,lawyers who have served on the federal courts
Trumps ex attorney and secretary
So to say they’re all far left is basically
bull shit
If people don’t watch them why do you get offended by them.
I’ll look in settings then

I don’t get offended by them because I don’t watch them, MTN and MSNBC are far left media outlets . You really need to check your sources . I don’t bother with the other YouTube channels because you don’t check your sources credibility.

Well if someone keeps telling you they’re a lawyer or attorney for years and no one challenges them
you might be able to assume they’re not
B S ing
And I know what Michael Cohen, Trumps ex attorney, who did time for Trump , looks like
So I know it’s him
And the same for Anthony Scaramucci
Who was the former White House
Director of Communications under Trump
Who are regular YouTube channel guys and anti Trump
So maybe you should search them on YouTube
yourself
They don’t just have an
opinion , they tell you what is happening and what might happen.
Then hopefully an algorithm kicks in if Musk doesn’t alter it.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 10:21pm

I doubt you will read this, doesn’t matter , you are locked in . https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/meidastouch/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/msnbc/

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Supafreak Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 10:28pm

Goodnight juliang , I’m sure you will figure out how to change your name between now and tomorrow morning, go into your account .

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Exxotixjeff Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 10:31pm

@ supafreak so where do you get your information.
I certainly wouldn’t describe MNBSC as far left
Most of the channels explain what’s happening, even if they are pro democracy.

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Exxotixjeff Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 10:31pm

@ supafreak so where do you get your information.
I certainly wouldn’t describe MNBSC as far left
Most of the channels explain what’s happening, even if they are pro democracy.

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burleigh Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 10:38pm

What time is bedtime Mr Erotica?

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Jelly Flater Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 10:43pm

… here u go
- sleepy music, dreamy visuals ;)

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Exxotixjeff Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 10:44pm
Supafreak wrote:

I doubt you will read this, doesn’t matter , you are locked in . https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/meidastouch/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/msnbc/

Yes I did actually read it
And I know the Meidas touch has a left wing bias
Which can also be described as pro democracy
Have you ever heard of Matt Gaetz the accused paedohile who was Trumps pick for US Attorney General
Well Meidas Touch were completely against it and Fox News were pushing it
Gartz did resign because even the Republican senate wasn’t going to pass him.
So who was right
Media’s or Fox ?

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Exxotixjeff Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 10:56pm
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What time is bedtime Mr Erotica?

I still have to listen to more Pearl Jam concert
Did you see them at Carrara,
They don’t like your politics though
So probably just as well you didn’t go

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tubeshooter Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 11:04pm
Exxotixjeff wrote:
tubeshooter wrote:

Let's say all you say is true E-jeff, what can you do about it here, as superfreak asked?
SFA

Well I guess if the shit hits the fan
and Dutton becomes PM , as
Basesix said that ideology could spread here,
But it’s just good to know that other people
are finding ways to maybe counteract it,
That’s why I follow the channels that tell you what’s happening .
They may be pro democracy but they still tell you what’s happening if you watch them,
Some are more interesting than others .

But you're not banging on about Dutton or Aussie issues.
It's just Orange Man Bad and pure speculation on the immediate future.
FFS If i listened to you, or your sources then I'm no better off than if I just watched Fox or Sky.

As far as the sexy jeff thing goes;

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southernraw Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 11:23pm
seeds wrote:

Have a look at yourself Spunky man
Why? Why? So many have issue with you?
Why?

I have no issue with him. I reckon he's showing up the lot of you but no one's reading the intricacies. Funny fella Jeffy. Quite funny to read.
Alot of squeamishmess in all the cohort gathering to bully.
So hope everyone's had a good day. What a fun day for all. Typical Swellnet pileonathon. Don't stand out from the pack!!!
And as for you Seeds, i reckon you're a deadset wanker..so there's that too.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 11:36pm
Exxotixjeff wrote:

@ supafreak so where do you get your information.
I certainly wouldn’t describe MNBSC as far left
Most of the channels explain what’s happening, even if they are pro democracy.

Where do I get my information from ? Well from tik tok obviously . I don’t have much faith in many outlets and they usually have their bias going one direction or the other . I try to have a look for outlets that are more central and aren’t afraid to look at both sides of a story . Reuters , The Hill and News Nation try to do this I believe , there’s a few others. Here’s a clip on instagram talking about the donors for the Democratic Party and some people aren’t happy . I bag Trump constantly but I realised long ago that the Democrats ain’t what they used to be . Tell me ….. how did Trump win ?

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basesix Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 11:53pm

thunder & lightning here. unreal.
heavy drops falling on my tin roof.
gonna switch off the internet machine
and sit with a glass by the window,
put some tunes on, light a candle,
and nod off. beautiful, magical world.

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wax24 Wednesday, 27 Nov 2024 at 1:44am

That's the stuff, Basey. Sounds wonderful.
It is 0642 here and i am 48 mins away from swiping out and enjoying a paddle practice session in Tomales Bay. Mushy at the ol beachie....
Even after Trumps win.... they'll still let me surf, huh. Go figure.
(except for my doctor. if she had her way, i'd stay dry. Now THERE'S a fascist! lol)

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andy-mac Wednesday, 27 Nov 2024 at 6:59am
basesix wrote:
Exxotixjeff wrote:
basesix wrote:

mm, same advice I gave Opti, ashsam, etc when they felt picked on. .. take an interest in what other people post, it's a community. I get that 'out there' it might me a bit more anonymous and care free, but here is more like a line-up. Give respect. There's no pecking order, but put some time into listening.

See that’s the exact point.
Seeds was a wonderful guy the other night when he was pissed and stoned , now he’s done the whole Jekyll and Hyde thing , that’s why I don’t really want to know,
Having said that you nearly always have something positive to say, so I can’t complain there .
I have a theory, guys who like to surf in a set crowded local scene are always putting shit on other people,
But guys who search out uncrowded waves are a lot more down to earth.

It's simpler than that, it's a north/south thing.
once we get seeds. tbb and andy-mac down here,
and send indo up north, all will be right with the world ; )

(I get shit-stirred for being nice to people, it's a fair cop,
you've met surfers before, right?)

Haha after another shitty surf this morning, I really think I need to move somewhere else!

Hope you gentlemen are all doing well.

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etarip Wednesday, 27 Nov 2024 at 7:07am

Aren’t we all just better people when we’re getting our fill of decent waves?

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andy-mac Wednesday, 27 Nov 2024 at 7:34am
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Aren’t we all just better people when we’re getting our fill of decent waves?

100% concur!

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Supafreak Wednesday, 27 Nov 2024 at 7:49am
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adam12 Wednesday, 27 Nov 2024 at 7:56am

“I have no car, no credit card, no cash, everything I have is tied up, they have put stop orders on my business accounts, and I can’t pay my bills,” Rudy Giuliani told a judge today.
FAFO Rudy.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 27 Nov 2024 at 9:24am

You would think he could have answered the questions from the microphone, sure it may have been edited but it just seems weird to walk away while answering , then again he was probably worn out.

. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-security-cabinet-approv...

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andy-mac Wednesday, 27 Nov 2024 at 9:52am
Supafreak wrote:

You would think he could have answered the questions from the microphone, sure it may have been edited but it just seems weird to walk away while answering , then again he was probably worn out. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DC2WoYdzSUu/?igsh=MWFhNGJ0ZXhkdjN2cw==. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-security-cabinet-approv...

Don't really get this, Hizbollah are the ones involved in the hostilities, they are not a signing partner so what is to stop them? Lebanese military? Could this lead to civil war in Lebanon?
Haven't Hizbollah said they will continue their attacks until there is a cease fire in Gaza?
Sounds like a plan doomed for failure, again the powers that be making deals without the involvement and agreement with the groups with skin in the game such as Abraham accords ignoring the plight of Palestinians.

We shall see.

Was Biden drunk then, geez someone put him to bed.