Strong swells for the entire period; biggest Sun/Mon
Sydney, Hunter and Illawarra Surf Forecast by Ben Matson (issued Friday 16th February)
Best Days: There'll waves every day though Sun/Mon will likely be too large for exposed spots, and will therefore favour novelty breaks. Tricky winds, Mon AM offering the best conditions.
Recap: Plenty of south swell Thursday with sets around 3ft (bigger in the Hunter) and workable conditions as the onshores eased through the middle of the day. Today we’ve seen easing S’ly swell and a building E/NE swell from Severe Tropical Cyclone Gita, the morning saw very inconsistent 3ft sets with light winds, and it’s now pushing a solid 4-5ft, though afternoon onshores are causing some problems. For reference, Far Northern NSW and SE Qld has seen some 6ft sets today, so swell wise, everything is pretty much on track from STC Gita at the moment.
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Decent sets at Manly this evening
This weekend and next week (Feb 17 onwards)
It’s very hard to stare down the barrel of a significant new long range groundswell - especially one that’s displaying synoptic characteristics you’ve never seen before - and not panic.
The best way to install confidence in the forecast is to go back through the data, AKA do some hindcasting (something we’d normally do at the completion of the swell event). And this is where things get really interesting.
Take today’s surf, generally reported as reaching 4-5ft across Sydney beaches this afternoon, and up towards 6ft in the northern parts of the state - nicely within Wednesday's forecast expectations.
Now, taking Far Northern NSW as a reference point - seeing that it has seen the most size, and a slightly earlier arrival (and, that’s where I live too, so can also personally verify the conditions) - peak swell periods across the region’s buoys have been in and around 14 seconds. Yes, there is longer period energy in the mix - but without real-time access to more granular data, we’re best sticking with oceanographic standard metrics for this discussion.
So, a quick calculation has 14 second swell periods travelling at around 39km/hr. Over twenty four hours, that’s a travel distance of about 936km. This is a quick and effective way to go back through the weather charts to find the ‘source’ of today’s 4-6ft surf. In order to do this, there are pre-requisites and assumptions required, but the rough calculations are good enough for our purposes.
So, by looking at twelve hourly intervals (468km travel each block), we can track back the origin of this swell to a position somewhere just south/south-east of Fiji around Tuesday - three days ago - when it was around 2,800km (or 1,500nm) from the Tweed Coast. And we can assess other points along STC Gita’s track, to assess its characteristics via satellite winds (scatterometry), and see exactly what might have generated today’s waves.
In doing so, its quite perplexing to see that STC Gita didn’t look that impressive. At that point of its lifecycle - from Monday to Wednesday - STC Gita was relatively small, with a very narrow radius of > gale force winds. As discussed in Monday’s notes, the supporting ridge to the south wasn’t particular strong, and the primary fetch length - generating the bulk of the swell - wasn’t very long either.
In short, it’s not a system that in isolation that you'd get overly excited about, nor would consider had the potential to generate 4-6ft surf. Obviously, other factors have helped build today's swell prospects (most of which have been discussed in Monday’s and Wednesday’s notes).
But, this little analysis is important because it sets a useful benchmark for the remainder of the event. And that's because STC Gita is still positioned SE of New Caledonia, and will continue to traverse a very favourable part of our swell window for another two days.
That’s right - the surf we see on Saturday will be from STC’s position S and SW of Fiji on Wednesday, and Sunday’s waves will be from STC Gita’s position Thurs/Fri and early Saturday, immediately SE, S and then SW of New Caledonia.
Let me paint the picture a little more clearly. Below is the forecast position of STC at lunchtime Sunday, a little under one thousand kilometres east of Far Northern NSW and another three hundred more from the Sydney region, displaying core winds of 60-70kts still within our swell window.
The (very large) swell generated by this part of STC Gita won’t arrive until Monday. Well after the weekend has been and gone.
So, now that I’ve highlighted some background info (which typically goes on behind the scenes here), it makes the actual forecast even more complex. That’s because the models are still not picking up the proper long period energy from STC Gita, either now, nor over the weekend, nor early next week.
As I’ve been discussing over the last week, this is somewhat of an unprecedented synoptic event, from a Qld/NSW surf forecasting point of view. In fact, I have no doubt that Severe Tropical Cyclone Gita is going to become Exhibit A in a meteorological course module at some unsuspecting university down the track. The way this system is developing is still unlike anything I have ever seen in this basin; much more like the pattern of a long range typhoon in the North Pacific.
How much can we trust the model data? Estimated significant wave heights are probably not too far off for this event (remember, there’s very little windswell contamination in the mix), but periods are of great concern to me.
However, the prospects of a good captured fetch developing from today onwards - influencing the swell potential from Sunday through Monday - is also likely being poorly resolved, so I’m ditching the models and going with my gut. I can’t in good conscience ignore a Cat 3 cyclone aligned really well within our swell window, aiming 50-60kt winds at such close range, and simply issue a size forecast that is also theoretically possible from a standard winter Tasman Low or an E’ly dip within a fully developed trade flow.
That being said, I am going to slightly temper Saturday’s size potential, for the morning at least. Given what we’re seeing today - swell energy generated around Tuesday south of Fiji - there wasn’t any major enhancement of the system over the following 24 hours, so it’s more likely that wave heights will remain steady around 4-5ft across most exposed coasts for Saturday morning (smaller at south facing beaches).
A stronger increase is due into Sunday morning, building into the 5-6ft+ range at most exposed coasts. But, we have two upwards curveballs around this time: the afternoon should see a more prominent increase as the peak energy starts to filter through, 6-8ft+ from the E/NE, with an even larger pulse then expected into Monday, around 8-10ft+. And to be honest, if we end up receiving reports of wave heights coming in bigger than this, I’ll be less surprised than if it comes in half the size.
The other curveball is a solid long period S'ly groundswell due Saturday lunchtime across the South Coast, arriving into Sydney very late afternoon and holding into Sunday with sets in the 4-5ft+ range. However, I doubt you'll be able to decipher the individual swell trains.
Now, there’s a few caveats to discuss. And that is: the angle of the swell direction (E/NE) and the long swell periods associated with this cyclone swell means that there’ll be an unusual distribution of size across the coast. We don’t see many of these kinds of swells at all, so without analogous events to compare to, it’s hard to know which coasts will benefit the most.
As mentioned in Wednesday’s notes, if you’re particular coast doesn’t seem to be responding as you’d expected, it’ll be worth a drive somewhere else (for example, south facing beaches won’t pick up all of the E/NE energy). Local bathymetry is the key to scoring under these events and it’s one of the least understood aspects of the surf zone, relative to difference swell directions, sizes and periods - simply because we don’t get enough practise, like we do with our endless diet of southerly swells.
Although I’d still prefer some elasticity in the size and timing of this event - it may move around over the weekend as we get confirmation on STC Gita’s actual wind field - Sunday and Monday really do look to offer the largest surf from this event. Surf size will trend downwards from Tuesday onwards, though it certainly won't be small to begin with.
As for winds, there’s no major strength expected for the next few days though onshores are likely for the most part. Monday morning looks the best (!) under a weak troughy/variable pattern ahead of a developing S/SE flow into the afternoon (South Coast) and Tuesday (everywhere else) as a ridge pushes up the coast.
The backside of ex-TC Gita (as it transitions through the Tasman Sea) looks less interesting than it did a few days ago, mainly due to its accelerated SE track. We’ll see a brief SE pulse Tues/Wed but it won’t be anything amazing in the size department. So, expect a return to more moderate sizes from Wednesday onwards; light winds are expected to finish the working week too.
Have a great weekend!
Comments
Time for a breather Ben, you've put significant effort into that update. Many Thanks.
Done well Ben, awesome report with a heap of thought and detail. Now for it all to come together.Thanks
Cheers Ben, love reading these reports. Love a good system. Hopefully we all score from here. Let's see. Will update from my neck of the woods - Kiama and surrounds
Thanks ben.
Yeah, good onya Ben. Putting in the hard yakka.
Ben ,
I would say that todays swell was produced by the Cyclone as it was passing over an already active trade swell / further east trough/ dip / tighten of associated winds when the Low started retro grading . So although not a captured fetch it was acting on , there was already some E energy in the water before it started its own generation .
I know your not a fan of overlapping swell being taken into another swells energy . But personally i think it happens all the time in the Southern Ocean belt . And when SD is telling the pacific what to do LOL .
Anyway , i'm heading up . And that only happens when its all time . So yeah i think you can stop trying top act cool and finally let the lid of this and talk it up as much as your frothing in private . Don't worry though i'll be hiding in the cracks , promising not to steal waves from you yanks .
Pretty quiet on the mid cennie coast this morning. 3 ft with the odd 4 ft-er and not a heap of energy in the water. fun surf but
**up until about 10am
3, maybe 4ft on the northern beaches, or maybe my 3-4 is the reporters 4-5..
I didn’t realise this was April fools. What happened to the swell up here at Forster lucky to 4 foot sets and a howling easterly.
Oh the joy
This system, low/cyclone, looks really bad for surfing. Away with you foul beast.
Narrabeen which is usually pretty good on these swells was only a messy 3 maybe 4 foot. Massive let down
Nah it was 4ft at Maroubra with the oddd bigger one every 30 mins. If the wind was not so crook it could have been fun
Remember, this ENE swell is really meant to kick late Sun, peak thru Mon and hold into early Tues.
Meanwhile, the expected long period south swell registered at the Eden buoy this afternoon with peak swell periods around 20 seconds.
That south swell is far superior in quality to any swell coming off that sleazy cyclone.
Thanks Ben. Appreciate the forecasts. Looking forward to seeing how it unfolds
The models seem to be correct here , its a very straight forward basic system this cyclone. It'll be seen that there is no lofty high period swell coming off it , not like the nice sth groundswell which came thru precisely when BOM predicted yesterday. This sth swell was also very discernable from the ene shit which is dribbling through. It was also very contaminated by the ene shit. By Mon the cyclone/tasman low will be right next to us so any swell produced by it earlier will be contaminated by a multitude of distortion , noisy windswell entities. Captured fetch is far from ideal for producing quality surf , not something I'd talk up for forecasting quality surf. The sooner this new Tasman Low fks off the better. Its almost as bad as that sleazy system we had that other June a coupla years back. You know the one?
What coast you on mate?
FYI: BOM forecast for Sydney Coastal waters today is:
1st Swell: Easterly 2 metres.
2nd Swell: Southerly 1 to 1.5 metres, decreasing to around 1 metre during the afternoon.
This clearly suggests they think the E/NE swell is the largest swell. As for the south swell coming through "precisely when BOM predicted yesterday" - where did they precisely state its arrival time?
Also, the proper energy from TC Gita has yet to arrive. if anything, its peak has been pushed back until later Monday, holding into Tuesday morning. We're only just seeing the next phase of large surf pushing across Northern NSW now, and there's a pretty decent travel time for it to reach Southern NSW.
As such I'd be very hesitant to write off the swell potential (in Southern NSW) from this cyclone yet. Though, I appreciate you putting up your thoughts before the fact.
Hi Ben, great work and bloody enjoyable forecasting. It’ll be interesting to see how the next few days pan out. Dropped you an email, hypothetically is much of this swell if any likely to refract around the corner into E Bass S - similar to swells around Cape O for W/SW swells? Or more so or likely when the storm tracks further south. Would be interested
A really good question, & I wonder how far that black nor'easter wrapped around?
Yeh thats it, southern NSW mate. Thanks for that info , I saw that while I was checking the BOM site. Yeah the sth swell was far superior yesterday arvo whith longer period and lots more power. BOMs wave period forecast maps were accurate for the whole east coast with the rare red band spreading upwards along the coast. I dont believe there is any swell of that quality coming off this Tasman low now or anytime in the future. The models are saying theres a significant increase in size in coming days but it's just gunna be bigger piffle. Maybe dont write off the swell height potential but I'm definately writing off the surf potential.
Isn't forecasting putting up your thoughts before the facts
The swell has arrived in Forster, you’ll be happy ben
Not that far away Dave Knee. Pretty underwhelming. I'd be calling this 4ft max. Sets bigger but doesn't really feel like there is that much power behind them. Maybe this mix of two swells and N winds are causing a bit of havoc. Not that impressed so far.
I agree, 4 ft on the sets is the biggest I'd claim
Kind of weird I paddled out Maroubra at 6am. After about 15 mins or so a couple of really good sized one came through and I was thinking it was going to keep building but really it felt like it went the other way. Maybe the incoming tide killed it. Could have been fun but too much left over bump from the night before.
Out at Maroubra for not very long, around 11.00 this morning Joe. Probs 3-4 foot, wouldn't have called much bigger than that. Tide pretty high about then, and yes, bumps in the faces of most waves. Not properly organised yet, and nor easter now pretty strong.
Title of these Forecaster Notes should probably be amended to “biggest Mon/Tues”.
It’s getting very big up north. There’s evidence as yet to suggest tomorrow won’t be significantly larger.
If anything, I’m more surprised to hear isolated reports that the south swell hasn’t come in as expected, given the reports from Torquay yesterday (see today’s WOTD) and some incredible footage from Shippies I’ve also been privy to.
"There’s evidence as yet to suggest tomorrow won’t be significantly larger." - you mean up north?
But still expecting a decent increase SYD / Illawarra tomorrow and Tue? Still calling 8-10ft?
Am referring to Southern NSW. Will check data this evening to assess timing but there’s nothing to suggest we won’t see a major kick tomorrow and into early Tuesday.
Would be a shame if it’s that big because virtually nowhere holds it
BOM called it at 2m today which seemed about right and are calling for 2.5m tomorrow. Somewhere between theirs and yours Ben would probably be ideal. I had a few 1 1/2 OH today, long wait, nothing special but clean and long when you got one so no complaints.
Terrible weekend of surf round the Gong. What was the guy thinking on the daily report giving it a 7? To get the forecast wrong is understandable but an actual report on what is currently occuring is baffling.. maybe its just checked from the cams and a blind stab in the dark?
South beach looked quite good this arvo mate. I wouldn’t have given it a 7 but was good enough to be annoyed I couldn’t go out.
Hi Ben, I understand! Forecast not perfect , pricks are getting prickly! Ignoramus! Start your own website ya fucken kooks, put your money where your mouth is!
Kind regards,
Billie
You seem very angry
No one expects perfect forecast, Tim Bailey hardly got it right, just assessing data make a prediction and then we discuss the actuality
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-18/dozens-rescued-as-dangerous-swe...
At least 50 people have been rescued in a dramatic day on south-east Queensland beaches as dangerous swells continue to slam the coastline in the wake of Tropical Cyclone Gita.
There were two mass rescues on the Sunshine Coast, where 19 people were pulled from the water in the space of about 10 minutes.
And a jet ski rider is lucky to be alive after being swamped in dangerous seas and falling off his vessel off Jumpinpin Bar.
The man in his 50s was winched to safety by a rescue helicopter after being stranded for two hours.
A couple of flash rips have popped up, and have caught 15 people in one flash rip," he said.
"Then, a short time later, another four needed to be rescued, and we've had other rescues on the coast as well."
The rescues were at a patrolled beach, but Mr McLean was also angry that so many people were willing to risk their lives at unpatrolled beaches.
"We've had several rescues where people have ignored the warnings, several rescues right across closed beaches," he said.
"People should have more common sense to know to follow the lifesavers' and lifeguards' advice not to go out in those dangerous conditions.
Lifeguards reported the waves were higher than when Cyclone Debbie slammed the coast last year.
Peaks in excess of 4.5 metres were recorded at Palm Beach and almost six metres at Tweed Heads.
Mr Burgess said sightseers risked their lives taking photos of the massive swell at Currumbin Rocks.
"They were in danger of being washed off and at one point cut off by tides," he said.
Wow, from my observation this morning, swell's backed off a notch overnight. At least for this part of the coast, surely the swell of disappointment!
Yeah dropped back a notch on illawarra too...
Yeah Southern NSW is perplexing for this event. Northern NSW has come in very close to expectations, and I haven’t had a chance to do an analysis to find out why it hasn’t performed quite as well South from the Mid North Coast. However TC Gita is still at cyclone strength (and will be for another day and a half) so we still have more energy to come.. I’ll take a closer look through the morning.
Its not perplexing at all. Its panning out exactly as expected. Now the Tasman low is nearly on our doorstep where it is bound to provide tripe conditions for surfing. Plus it's track right from the start was bad for us in southern nsw for quality surf. The 'proper' energy , from a surfing point of view, came through on Friday.
Not correct. The developing ‘tripe’ conditions from this afternoon onwards is not because of TC Gita, but an unrelated southerly change (that hit Victoria overnight, and is moving north).
The ‘proper’ energy from TC Gita peaked across Northern NSW and SE Qld yesterday, with the arvo pushing north of 10ft at exposed spots. This swell was initially expected to continuing pushing south overnight and into this morning across Southen NSW. There’s a couple of reasons why this hasn’t occurred yet but I haven’t had a chance to look into it.
TC Gita is still at cyclone strength in our swell window and another strong pulse of energy is expected today. I’d be very hesitant to write it off immediately, though local winds are (and always were) going to cause some issues from this afternoon through into Tuesday.
For what it's worth, I think you're right. Surprising the swell hasn't spread more south and that, at some stage, we will see a substantial increase. Winds will be shite of course but that's the way it goes.
I like the Access G charts for Tuesday, Wednesday mornings, from a swell point of view.
The beauty of mother nature. Surfing is a wonderful habit completely dominated by our expectations, when we keep this in check surfing is wonderful. But when we think mother nature is predictable our expectations run riot!! Like your forecast said it's pumping somewhere.
Too much north in the swell angle?
Continental shelf washing away energy? Long period swell ? Swell distance decay?
WOW after all the hype for Sydney this TC was a hoax. What happened?
Observed it wasn't going to happen going to Goldy Monday morning but
I guess everybody here realised this as well. All flights booked out.
Well I think we can officially put the nail in the coffin. No sign of increase down this neck of the woods.
Hi Deckstrus, I think if you look at this model you will have hope. http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/viewer/index.shtml?type=sigWaveHg...
Hey toosha, I've looked at every bloody model there is and for the life of me I don't understand why we aren't receiving heavy swell as Ben forecast. If you zoom in on most of those models you'll notice that the energy doesn't really translate on to our inshore coast. No idea why. Maybe fetch too short?!? Diluted by time it arrives? Be interested to hear his comments later today in Monday update. But at this stage I'd just about bet my left nut it's not going to get above 6ft (given its 3-4ft at very best here now)
I think looking at that model most of Monday until 11pm the surf size has been spot on for our area ( illawarra ) and tomorrow I agree with you 6ft will be the limit. I'd also like to know why the swell was blocked, as you can clearly see on that model. Thoughts and feedback encouraged!!!
8-10+ ft forecast and there's barely a 3fter out there now and fading. Seems like Gita followed the model pretty closely so what's the forecasting missed/got wrong?
I'm preparing Sydney notes now, will explain in more detail then (I'd rather the conversation flowed on through those notes, for continuity).
Hold the phones! Word from a reliable source on the South Coast (not saying where) is that it's now 6ft on the sets and the swell "feels like it's kicked". See accompanying pic.
Nothing showing on any of the Sydney buoys yet and apparently it's pretty hit and miss across the region, but I'd rather give it a few hours to see if this pulse is an aberration, or the delayed onset.
Either way, it's doing my head in.
In the meantime I'll update Qld Notes now, and come back to Sydney Notes after that (should be updated around 6pm).
Well nothing here in Kiama and surrounds still
Bugger the QLD report - they are too busy with swell to read it anyway!
Do the SYD / Illawarra one first! We're bloody waiting for everything ha ha :)
It's not that, I just need to see if any more reports come in first. Nothing worse than spending an hour preparing notes to find that you've gotta start again.
Yeah fair enough bud. I am out sniffing around again. Will update
Ye it's starting to become more consistent over the last hour on the northern beaches mate.
The post mortem on this event is going to be as interesting as the forecasting leading up to it - thanks for the education!
The waves in that photo arenot 6ft. Know the place well.
I'm only relaying the info given to me... let's wait and see what happens ('tis a reliable source). I'm not convinced looking at the Manly cam that there's any more energy than earlier, but spudmuncher's comment above is worth investigating.
Yes! Best looking lines of swell yet hitting here now. Here we go?!?
How big? Old mate got back to me, said it was more like 4-5ft. I know the beach too (not the spot in the pic above, somewhere nearby) and it's a bloody good swell magnet so I'm not surprised if a lot of beaches are not picking it up.
No observable change in the swell here Ben. I had a paddle earlier, came in just before 3 and had another look 10 minutes ago. Still 2ft with the odd slightly larger set. Looks like the kinda crap we usually get when the GC is pumping but here's hoping for tomorrow.
Just checked Narrabeen and went for a swim (4:45pm). It's 2 foot, maybe 3 if I'm generous .
A noticeable bump in energy just as the wind turned South West at around 3pm. Some solid sets pushing through the Illawarra.
I don't blame you Ben for delaying report I wouldn't trust any data
anymore either.
OK, new Forecaster Notes up now - let's continue the convo over there. Thanks!
https://www.swellnet.com/reports/forecaster-notes/sydney-hunter-illawarr...