Large swells inbound for Northern NSW; fun surf in SE Qld

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Ben Matson (thermalben)

South-east Queensland and Northern NSW Surf Forecast by Ben Matson (issued Friday 21st July)

Best Days: Sat/Sun: large clean SE groundswell building across Northern NSW, with light offshores. Plenty of fun waves in SE Qld too. Mon/Tues: smaller residual swells with good winds. Wed: new S'ly swell for Northern NSW with W'lies. 

Recap: We’ve had a couple of overlapping south swells over the last two days, with wave heights generally coming in within ballpark expectations - 4-5ft south facing beaches south of Byron on Thursday, building to 5-6ft today. Across SE Qld, surf size has been much smaller - around 2-3ft at exposed northern ends of the Gold Coast and tiny on the points on Thursday, and hardly anything on the Sunshine Coast. Today looks a little bigger across both coasts, though only just. Winds were W’ly on Thursday so it’s been clean in general though we’re seeing a SW tendency today that may veer S/SW at some point.

This weekend (July 22nd - 23rd)

We’ve got some large, powerful waves on the way for the weekend. The only concern I have is with the timing of the initial swell front on Saturday.

Today’s short and mid-range south swells will ease through Saturday morning, so we’ll see a period “between swells” early in the day where it’ll be very small inconsistent across SE Qld away from south swell magnets, but still quite good across Northern NSW.

Winds are expected to veer back to the W/SW so it’ll be clean at most beaches (perhaps a slightly southerly wobble at exposed northern ends). 

Yesterday’s and this morning’s satellite passes have confirmed wind strengths around the low in the south-eastern Tasman Sea with up to 50kts within the core fetch. The leading edge of the new S/SE tending SE groundswell is expected into the Mid North Coast around late morning Saturday and will build rapidly here through the afternoon. However, locations further north will see a later arrival time - and thus later upwards trend - and there is a slight degree of concern that Far Northern NSW and (even more so) SE Qld may not see an appreciable kick in size until very late in the day.

I still think we’ve got a good chance of seeing some strong surf filling in through the afternoon here, but this risk needs to be highlighted. 

How big? South facing beaches south of Byron should see 6-8ft sets late in the day, and with the swell direction veering from the S/SE to the SE there’ll be great options (though smaller) across the regional points and reefs that can handle these kinds of swells. It’ll be smaller and more manageable at protected southern corners. 

In fact, with confirmed core winds of 50kts (although not aimed perfectly in our direction), we are likely to see peak swell periods push higher than the 13.2 seconds currently modelled for 6pm Saturday (as per our Coffs Harbour forecast). My calculations are for somewhere in the 15-16+ second range, and this should push surf size higher at reliable offshore reefs.

Size will then ease through Sunday with light to moderate W/NW thru’ NW winds. This is a slight concern for the points so you’ll probably want to make the most of Saturday afternoon’s push. Early morning could be of a comparable size to late Saturday - say, somewhere in the 6ft+ range at south facing beaches and smaller elsewhere - but more so in the Far North than the Mid North. Size will lose two or three feet during the day

As for SE Qld, this new swell should produce quality 2-3ft surf across the outer points by late Saturday (much smaller early Saturday), and up to 3-5ft at south facing beaches and exposed northern ends.

Expect a similar size early Sunday but easing throughout the day. Sunday’s winds will favour the beach breaks but early morning should have clean options on the outer points. 

Next week (July 24th onwards)

No changes to the outlook for next week either, as per Wednesday’s notes. 

We’ll see lingering though easing SE swell early Monday (3-4ft+ open beaches in Northern NSW, 2-3ft exposed northern beaches in SE Qld, smaller on the outer points), and mainly light variable winds. Size will ease throughout the day across all coasts.

A small south swell is due on Tuesday from a strong but poorly aligned front exiting eastern Bass Strait overnight Sunday. I’m a little less keen on this now so will peg size at an inconsistent 2ft+ across south facing beaches south of Byron. It'll be very small away from open south facing beaches by this time; this is a low confidence pulse so don't work around it.

Of much more interest is a broad, powerful polar low tracking under Tasmania around Sunday that’s expected to spin off a series of trailing fronts through the rest of the week. These systems will supply varying degrees of long period south swell from Wednesday thru’ Friday

At the moment, Wednesday is expected to see the best waves from this pattern, with a rapidly building S’ly groundswell in Northern NSW that should provide 3-5ft sets at south facing beaches but much smaller elsewhere due to the steep swell direction. It’ll be clean too with W’ly winds. However we won’t see much size in SE Qld away from south swell magnets. 

More S’ly swell its expected through Thursday and Friday though there’s a risk of a developing S/SW flow as the associated front clips the coast. 

Have a great weekend, see you Monday!

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dromodreamer Friday, 21 Jul 2017 at 2:07pm

No waves for weeks and an afternoon and morning of waves for sunny coasters. Noosa alive festival on. Can we spread out just a bit? Sure Donny will agree with me. Keeping in mind this is the reality no wonder its carnage. Someone should document the behind the rock. I'd feel better about being called into a ticket to doom; "you didn't want it , back to the kiddie section," no I wanted a makeable wave. How do I progress to be the 5%?

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boogiefever Friday, 21 Jul 2017 at 5:25pm

Can someone please translate this^^^ comment for me???

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Surfshack77 Friday, 21 Jul 2017 at 7:04pm

I think, Boogie, that Dromo is wishing this long-awaited swell to Noosa did not coincide with the Noosa Alive festival making it near impossible to pick off a decent wave "behind the rock." That's my best guess, or perhaps Dromo's roaming the paddocks, hopelessly lost near Splendour, after a few too many mushies.
On another note, there's a decent groundswell rumble happening here tonight.

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boogiefever Friday, 21 Jul 2017 at 8:04pm

I think its the 2nd one.... about splendour and the mushies. Cause asking the noosa hipsters, billionaires and wannabes to spread out and share is like asking clemantine ford to save you some cake.... or Google to pay tax....or Pauline Hanson to hug an asian.

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Surfshack77 Friday, 21 Jul 2017 at 8:35pm

Hah yep Boogie too true and that's why life in quiet (well, relatively speaking!!) sleepy little places suits me just fine! They can have their glitz and glamour - the more chasing that world the better as far as I'm concerned. Keeps the quiet spots quiet. As for Noosa, it lost its soul in the early 80's imho - overdevelopment plus. Shame, such a classic wave.
Going to be waves here in the morning - can feel the rumble. Sunday might be off the hook.

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boogiefever Friday, 21 Jul 2017 at 11:15pm

Yeh maye. Grew up in a little town and secluded breaks,even now,whenever i head back i struggle to find someone to surf with!! Until i retire or win lotto im stuck battling the pack at the ever increasing sunny coast. Enjoy ur waves free of drop ins surfshack77! What pt of the coast u at ( roughly) no naming names??

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Surfshack77 Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 6:15pm

Grew up surfing lower mid north coast, been on far north coast last 30 years. Can still avoid the madness at local beachy here. Local crew mellow but more people, mainly GC, "discovering" newfound territories come through so sometimes, not too often, there's a different vibe in the water. Tends to be a few different options still - so yeah "no drop-ins" and a laid back attitude are some of many benefits in living away from the hustle. Still, ya have to live where the work is, and that's often in the big busy places like the sunny coast. Hope you got a bit of this swell up there Boogie!

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thermalben Saturday, 22 Jul 2017 at 8:12am

Decent lines showing in Coffs.. not sure if this is the new swell but it's certainly got some schtick.

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Blowin Saturday, 22 Jul 2017 at 12:05pm

Got some waves.

Didn't get what I was hoping for. Still Had fun. Amazing day .

Suns shining , water is clear and still warm( ish ) .

Good day to be alive . Just not a great day to surf xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx.

Going to treat myself to some chips , a bit of Peaky Blinders , then head up to xxxxx xxxx for the high on dark. Maybe too small ? Probably.

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Hirsty Saturday, 22 Jul 2017 at 2:02pm

How's the swell for the sunshine coast looking for tomorrow Ben? Noticed a down ward trend @ the Point Lookout wave Bouy.....

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thermalben Saturday, 22 Jul 2017 at 2:12pm

The Sunny Coast is the least favourably aligned coast for this swell event, but it'll still do pretty well tomorrow. As per the notes there is a risk we may not see an upwards trend until very late today (though it does appear to be showing on the Goldy) however Sydney and Newcastle are seeing very large surf today as per expectations, so I am still very confident for tomorrow morning just about everywhere.

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Hirsty Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 5:32pm

Cheers for the reply mate!
Swell built through the morning this morning on the southern end of the coast @ a pretty well known beachy , was pretty inconsistent at first but by late morning some good solid 3-4ft sets started coming through just in time for the devils wind to come in unfortunately.....
You think it will hold it's size from this arvo through till the morning?

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thermalben Saturday, 22 Jul 2017 at 2:19pm

Nice lines starting to show at Byron (remember, the swell direction is initially S/SE, a poor direction for The Pass):

Decent lines on the Tweed Coast an hour and a half ago (see the bloke far left):

Compared to this morning on the Tweed:

And now a few small lines starting to peel down the Superbank - still a long way to go - but this seems to be the new swell.

Shame about the Sunny Coast though... (Coolum):

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_benno Saturday, 22 Jul 2017 at 5:29pm

I really enjoy your 'round the grounds' Ben, even if it does rub a little salt into Sunny Coast wounds with these swells!

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thermalben Saturday, 22 Jul 2017 at 5:39pm

Thanks mate.

To be totally honest, the main reason is because I need to archive swell conditions throughout the day - it makes a very handy reference too when assessing past swells (against forecasts/model data etc) because real time reports and comments on various observations can much more effectively highlight any discrepancies that may be otherwise apparent (i.e. surfcam obs not lining up with buoy trend; surface conditions contradictory to wind obs etc).

But, it's also nice to tease those coastlines that otherwise score better waves than my local at other times of the year :)

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dromodreamer Saturday, 22 Jul 2017 at 4:36pm

These are bitter pills.

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freeride76 Saturday, 22 Jul 2017 at 8:07pm

solid 6ft sets from 2pm until the big incoming tide snuffed it just before dark, lot of energy

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udo Saturday, 22 Jul 2017 at 8:21pm

DS kinda day - freeride ?

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thermalben Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 7:08am

A quick look around the grounds.

Looking solid at Narrowneck this morning... this is one of the bigger sets I have seen on the surfcam since it's been in. Has to be easy 4ft+.


Inconsistent at Burleigh, but some nice waves on offer around 2-3ft.


Decent lines across the Coffs Coast too.

Flat at Noosa (surprise, surprise).

But some decent waves getting in at Sunshine.

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Sprout Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 8:01am

I realise it's no secret but there's no need to drop X.

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thermalben Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 8:13am

Fair enough, I have edited. 

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Sprout Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 8:32am

Thanks Ben, very much appreciated.

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thermalben Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 7:53am

Wow, Narrowneck is on fire.

Some nice waves coming through at Currumbin too.

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dannyp Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 10:24am

Solid sets on GC northern beaches this morning... easily double overhead at times. Perfect early on the high tide with light westerlies. Stoke is on high!

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Surfshack77 Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 12:54pm

Double overhead (sometimes plus) sets between Byron and Tweed all morning. Massive sweep on beachies but some pearlers coming through. Some a bit straight, but some makeable.

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freeride76 Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 1:20pm

bombing here today

This: Size will then ease through Sunday with light to moderate W/NW thru’ NW winds. This is a slight concern for the points so you’ll probably want to make the most of Saturday afternoon’s push. Early morning could be of a comparable size to late Saturday - say, somewhere in the 6ft+ range at south facing beaches and smaller elsewhere - but more so in the Far North .......

.....was a major undercall. It held here at 6-8ft on regional points through lunch.

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thermalben Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 1:28pm

How is 6ft+ a major undercall? Sure, it may not have eased as quickly as expected, but it's hardly like the expectation for today was small leftover swell.

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lostdoggy Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 1:46pm

'South facing' beaches were 10+ though, Ben.

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thermalben Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 2:07pm

10ft+? Really? Wow.

For what it's worth, I also said the following in the notes:

"How big? South facing beaches south of Byron should see 6-8ft sets late in the day."

"In fact, with confirmed core winds of 50kts .. we are likely to see peak swell periods push higher than the 13.2 seconds currently modelled ... My calculations are for somewhere in the 15-16+ second range ... this should push surf size higher at reliable offshore reefs."

"Early (Sunday) morning could be of a comparable size to late Saturday - say, somewhere in the 6ft+ range at south facing beaches"

Incidentally, Wednesday's notes were more specific (check 'em out for yourself) where I said "don’t be surprised if it’s closer to 8-10ft at a handful of reliable locations".

So sure, the swell trend was later than expected, but in Friday's notes I mentioned that this swell event would peak at south facing beaches peaking around 6-8ft, and that some locations could see even bigger sets due to the core winds being in excess of 50kts.

So, in context, this swell event was not a massive undercall IMO.

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lostdoggy Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 2:12pm

All good, Ben. But yeh, Ballina bar was massive and clean.

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thermalben Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 2:18pm

Love to see some photos if you've got any! Was big on the Tweed too (occ 5-6ft sets), but with the swell direction more SE now I figured it would be only another foot or two bigger south from Byron (rather than the extra loading we see under straight S swells).

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lostdoggy Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 2:36pm

Gives you an idea, but poor quality from my phone. There were bigger sets than this.


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dangerouskook2000 Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 4:52pm

No one out Doggy? Is the shark problem still there? Or was it just too out of control to get out? Looks nice from the pics. I'm not from there but I've had some good surfs there when it's been 3 foot or so

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lostdoggy Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 5:56pm

Nah, bar was holding, but never seen anyone surf it in recent years. I wouldn't surf out there.
Beachies weren't holding as they max out around 6 foot but they still get surfed plenty, just the banks are stuffed at the moment.

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freeride76 Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 4:18pm

It was twice the size today of what was forecast.

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goofyfoot Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 4:26pm

Holding?

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Sprout Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 5:50pm

Half a day late but fun none the less.

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boogiefever Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 7:29pm

At least 16ft freeride76???? Geez im glad u dont write the forecasts!!!!! I agree sprout... swell seemed to b halfa day late on sunny coast but no complaining from me. Bens forecast is a guide... a recommendation....never an exact prediction but close enough. Cheers benny!

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udo Monday, 24 Jul 2017 at 11:03am

He used to...and was accurate.

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boogiefever Monday, 24 Jul 2017 at 3:50pm

16ft accurate????

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mcsc Monday, 24 Jul 2017 at 10:54am

Jesus this morning was good fun

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thermalben Monday, 24 Jul 2017 at 11:10am

Still a few across the northern Goldy beaches this morning, but much smaller than yesterday.

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Bourne Monday, 24 Jul 2017 at 1:16pm

Interesting outlook for early next week :) when do you expect to add notes mate?

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thermalben Monday, 24 Jul 2017 at 1:20pm

'Bout the same time as every Mon/Wed/Fri, late afternoon. If you sign up to our Forecaster Notes newsletters you'll receive an email as soon as it's published.

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Bourne Monday, 24 Jul 2017 at 2:19pm

Again, thank you! Kiwi time...