Standby for a NE cyclone swell Tuesday; plenty of E'ly swell beyond this

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South-east Queensland and Northern NSW Surf Forecast by Ben Matson (issued Monday 8th May)

Best Days: Tues/Wed: reasonable chance for a solid NE cyclone Tues, easing from Wed. Most size in SE Qld. Plenty of concurrent S'ly swell in Northern NSW too, from a Tasman Low. Thurs PM/Fri: rebuilding E'ly swell. Sat: easing E'ly swell with light winds. 

Recap: A steady trade swell kept SE Qld and Far Northern NSW humming over the weekend and into today with sets around the 2-3ft+ mark. Northern NSW also saw a small south swell early Saturday but it eased during the day and locations south of Yamba have seen much smaller surf for the last 48 hours, though a fresh S’ly groundswell is now starting to show across the region. SE Qld has seen a slight increase in surf this afternoon, which could be attributable to the leading edge of cyclone swell form STC Donna, but is more likely just a reinforcing trade swell (buoy data doesn’t show anything significant in the period data).

Late afternoon sests at Noosa - most likely trade swell

Fun evening options at Alex Headland
 
This week (May 9 - 12)

We’ve got a very tricky forecast ahead. So, let’s start with the (relatively) easy stuff.

A strengthening ridge across SE Qld will generate a short range SE swell over the coming days. The models have pulled back its strength and also aligned it slightly more meridionally (north/south than east/west) which isn’t as good for surf prospects. The Sunshine Coast should pick up 2-3ft sets from this source over the coming days, with marginally smaller surf on the Gold and Tweed Coasts and very little size south of Byron or Ballina.

A supporting ridge south of STC Donna - from New Caledonia to the waters south-east of Fiji - is generating new E’ly swells that will concurrently build across our coasts from about Tuesday afternoon and Wednesday onwards. This fetch looks deceptively good on paper, though this is mainly due to the presence of the cyclone (which is now located inside the swell shadow of New Caledonia, and is not generating any direct swell at the moment). Once the cyclone and its shadowed fetch is removed from the equation, we essentially have a bog-standard, 25kt trade flow that should be worthy of 3ft+ sets across most regions through the middle of the week

However, as STC Donna tracks south over the coming days and undergoes extra tropical transition, we’ll see core winds pick up within the swell window. This is expected to occur late Tuesday (SE of new Caledonia) which should create a fresh pulse of E’ly swell arriving late Thursday and into Friday with sets anywhere between 3ft and maybe 5ft, depending on exposure. I’ll revise these figures on Wednesday once (by then, ex-)TC Donna moves into the Northern Tasman Sea and we can confirm wind speeds and the forward track. 

And we also have a Tasman Low east of Tasmania that’s generating strong southerly swells for Northern NSW. In actual fact, the latest model guidance has come back in line with a slightly more prolonged swell event from this system, meandering the low about the Southern Tasman Sea up until Thursday. However, this system has already reached peak intensity, so even though it’ll remain within a good region of our S and SE swell window for the next few days, the largest surf we’ll see will be on Tuesday afternoon, with smaller (but still strong) surf padding out Wednesday, easing further into Thursday and Friday

South facing beaches should pick up anywhere between 4ft and (at a best case scenario) 6ft by late Tuesday, though most beaches will see considerably less size due to the acute swell direction. Expect smaller surf from this source during the rest of the week. 

This low will also dictate local winds across Northern NSW all week, resulting in mainly moderate to fresh S’ly winds, possibly SW for periods early morning. Across SE Qld, winds will be focused initially by the developing ridge - so, more S/SE throughout the days following the early SW breeze in isolated regions. Winds should ease off everywhere by Friday.

And now to the most important feature on the synoptic chart: Severe Tropical Cyclone Donna.

STC Donna reached Cat 4 strength over the weekend, and was actually upgraded to Cat 5 this morning, with average wind speeds of 110kts and gusts to 140kts. That's about 260km/hr. Fortunately it moved just west of Vanuatu, compared to Friday's model runs which suggested a direct hit.

Although STC Donna is now located well and truly inside the swell shadow of New Caledonia, it did briefly skirt the southern periphery of a very narrow, rare swell window just north of New Caledonia over the weekend. Unfortunately, the weekend’s scatterometer (satellite) passes didn’t align with the centre of the cyclone, so it was only late yesterday where we managed a brief pass over its eastern sector, which confirmed surface wind speeds of 50-60kts. Secondary wind estimation techniques (via JTWC) have confirmed Cat 5 strength winds around the core of STC Donna today, though the short fetch length of these core winds means they won't contribute theoretically higher swell periods. 

Now, the difficulty with the associated surf forecast is that it relies predominantly on model guidance. And in the examples below, we can see that even the models can’t be trusted - checkout the different between GFS (left) and ACCESSG (right) - this is the initialisation data for Sunday morning, (which should be the same!).

GFS - the wind model underpinning our wave model - has core winds of 60kts within our swell window, yet the BOM’s ACCESS G has barely 40kts, positioned outside of our swell window. Other models have fallen somewhere between the two. 

This means estimating surf size really comes down to confidence and experience with the various model’s tendencies, and I do feel relatively comfortable with GFS, especially give it picked up surface wind speeds quite well. However there are a considerable number of shoals and other surface obstacles between STC Donna's Sunday position and the SE Qld coast, that are likely to influence how much size we see, and to what degree of consistency we see in the surf zone. 

As such, I am sticking with Friday’s forecast for a solid swell event on Tuesday - in fact, increasing it slightly - with a building trend expected all day, and set waves pushing 5-6ft+ across exposed parts of the Gold and Sunshine Coast by late Tuesday. 

Because of the structure of the cyclone, the various shadowing obstacles in its path and the reasonable travel distance, set waves are likely to be very inconsistent - and with the coastline south of Byron Bay less favourably aligned for this swell direction, we stand a greater chance of seeing a much wider variation in size from beach to beach across Northern NSW.

As mentioned on Friday, think of this as the reverse of what you would an acute south swell: some exposed headlands and points may see large waves, but sheltered northern corners (there’s an infrequently used term!) will see much smaller surf. But in general expect easing size with increasing southerly latitude. And the complexity also lies in the presence of a strong south swell too. The combined swell trains from the S and NE could see occasional rogue waves of considerably greater height at times. 

Wave heights will then ease from Wednesday morning though the early session could still see a considerable percentage of the size seen late Tuesday. This swell will rapidly transition into the secondary E’ly trade swell by Wednesday afternoon and then level out into Thursday ahead of the next increase in E’ly groundswell from the latter states of (ex-)STC Donna late Thursday and Friday.

This weekend (May 13 - 14)

Nothing major is expected this weekend, especially in context against what’s in store for the coming days. 

Friday’s solid E’ly swell will ease through the afternoon and this downwards trend will continue into Saturday. Early morning should still see 3ft sets across most open beaches but it’ll probably be down to 2-3ft by the afternoon and an inconsistent 2ft on Sunday

A small south swell will also push up the Northern NSW coast on Saturday but no major size is expected, possibly some 2-3ft sets at south facing beaches but smaller surf elsewhere, easing into Sunday

Conditions should be generally OK with mainly light winds under a weak pressure gradient. 

Next week (May 15 onwards)

Redeveloping trades are expected early next week with a possible coastal trough which suggests more short range E/SE swell for the SE Qld region for most of next week. More on this in Wednesday’s update. 

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thermalben Monday, 8 May 2017 at 6:10pm

Alright. Fingers crossed!

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pancakecollaroy Monday, 8 May 2017 at 7:07pm

Just out of curiosity here, will this swell from TC Donna follow a great-circle-path (of sorts)?

On a flat map it's difficult to tell where the straight line from the fetch to SE QLD is.

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thermalben Monday, 8 May 2017 at 7:12pm

All swells follow great circle paths. Tricky part is working out where the swell was generated, and where the associated swell shadows lie. 

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mitchvg Monday, 8 May 2017 at 7:45pm

Check stormsurf.com they got a page of paths from major surfing locations

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simba Monday, 8 May 2017 at 7:39pm

Ben, why do the models vary so much?

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thermalben Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 8:34am

In what context? From model to model? Or model run to model run?

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freeride76 Monday, 8 May 2017 at 7:46pm

I just can't put any faith in this cyclone, to me it never came out of the swell shadow of Grand Terre properly. I'll be surprised if it's 3 ft from that source. Maybe a couple secret spots in QLD might do alright.

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NickT Monday, 8 May 2017 at 9:13pm

Thanks Ben. Must be incredibly hard to forecast these unpredictable storm paths and their associated swell fetches

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mitchvg Monday, 8 May 2017 at 11:10pm

Have a look at the corresponding periods and directions Nick. And local wind obs and the other buoys. It's wind swell. A jump in the peak period would indicate the cyclone swell, but the size and direction might be masked on the buoys by other swells

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thermalben Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 8:33am

Model data has moved around a lot since yesterday (table below from Gold Coast). It now has the peak tomorrow morning - though if taken at face value, it's undercalling the NE/ENE swell this morning - it's an easy 4ft+ across open beaches at the moment.

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Craig Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 8:51am

Cool satellite vision of Donna drifting south.

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thermalben Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 9:08am

Noosa is a little bigger than yesterday, but still a ways off the expected peak (won't be until late today at the earliest).

Plenty of solid lines steaming into The Pass though.

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donweather Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 9:22am

It's these swell events and combinations where we do need a multi-spectral buoy in SE Qld. There's at least 3 different swells in the water today and you have no idea how big each of ten are from our shitty wave buoys in SE Qld.

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thermalben Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 9:28am

The Brisbane buoy was upgraded to spectral recently but it's an unusual display - doesn't allocate direction. 

This is a time series plot (latest data at the top) so you can see the swell periods have drawn out - there's way more energy in the 10-15 second band today than there has been for the last few days.

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donweather Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 10:26am

Thanks Ben. Why then is the normal Brisbane buoy plots not showing any swell periods up in the 15 sec band? You don't think the swell periods in the above plot are from the S'ly groundswell moving up the coast?

Also, yesterday you were indicating the forerunners from Donna could have swell periods up into the 17-18 secs. If the swell peak is expected this afternoon/evening (with say swell periods of 12-13s), shouldn't we be seeing the 17-18 sec forerunners by now?

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thermalben Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 10:55am

I'm pretty confident those higher periods are from the E/NE Don. MHL buoy data on the Mid North Coast doesn't fit the same profile, and I'm seeing solid sets on the SE Qld cams that are definitely pouring in from this direction. Just took a look out the front of the office a little while ago and it's getting pretty big now.

Re: forerunners - you're right, though confidence is very low as to whether we'll see them. Also, this doesn't meant that they'll show on the graph either - Tp relates to peak swell periods, which is, the period associated with the peak energy (not Tmax, which is maximum swell period).

Hence why spectral data is useful as it'll show up all swell periods in the water. 

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donweather Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 11:28am

How big is "pretty big now" Ben? I watched the Noosa cam a little while ago and didn't see anything over 2-3ft. And out the front of your office is way more exposed to the E/NE swell direction from the tradewind swell than Noosa which will pick up (ie show) the NE groundswell alone better IMO.

I just watched your surfcam out the front of your office and didn't see anything over 2-3ft....and the closeness of the set waves would indicate to me that's more of the E/NE tradewind swell sets than the NE groundswell sets.

And I agree with the normal buoy data not showing the Tmax....but my comment was more around the spectral data should be showing it if it was in the water.

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thermalben Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 11:32am

Easy 4-5ft out the front on the sets now. Breaking on the outer reef. Seems to be this big on the Snapper/Greeny cam too. Pretty inconsistent for the bigger waves though.

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donweather Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 11:57am

Wow, how long between sets as I saw nothing like this on your cam!!!

Just looked at your office cam again. Def building. Longer straighter lines than before for sure....but 5ft? Hmmmmm. This swell angle is supposed to be like 50-60 deg....so why isn't Noosa showing more than 2-3ft?

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thermalben Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 12:17pm

Yeah it's in the 4-5ft range. The cam doesn't pick up the max size (without giving specifics away, there's a bank very close by which breaks much further out and rakes in all of the size).

Not sure why Noosa isn't showing more than that however it doesn't often get very big along the inner points anyway. Even on the biggest days, it'll often be half the size from Nationals through to First Point. 

Anyway, we're still some time away form the modeled peak of the swell - if it eventuates. Rather than evaluating as-it-happens, it'll probably be a more useful exercise to hindcast the whole shebang post-event. 

But.. gathering obs along the way is obviously a vital part of this :) 'Tis a shame about the weekend's lack of ASCAT data though - this could limit the evaluation process.

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donweather Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 12:55pm

Not very often you have a swell from the 50-60 deg swell window. This should be getting into most of Noosa (other than right in the corner at the sandy beachfront) rather evenly you would expect.

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thermalben Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 1:29pm

Not necessarily. Different combinations of swell periods/angles/heights react in unique ways in the surf zone. I'm not intimately familiar with Noosa, but the size on the inner points right now is not necessarily reflective of the surf size at exposed beaches. 

On the Tweed Coast there's a reasonable variation in size depending on a wide range of parameters, and it's not always the standard case of beach facing x will be biggest. 

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Sprout Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 9:46am

Happy to swap half the swell height for an all day offshore if anyone can make that happen.

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thermalben Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 9:48am

Kirra throwing out a few drainers. One bloke in the lineup!

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thermalben Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 11:20am

Noosa lining up nicely with the lower tide.

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curly2alex Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 12:32pm

Sunshine Coast Daily using your cams for screen shots ?!?

https://m.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/cyclone-donna-delivers-goods-ge...

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thermalben Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 1:52pm

At least we got a credit...!

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thermalben Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 1:50pm

Jeez, First Point Noosa is a lovely shaped wave.

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Sprout Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 2:06pm

Greenmount cam @ 1:53PM up next to the rock, pearls a beauty hahaha.

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thermalben Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 2:14pm

Our surfcams record still archives once every five minutes or so. How's this random surfcam grab?

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Lanky Dean Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 3:17pm

Looks like some fun little waves up there , i'd be at kirra with old mate ;)

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thermalben Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 4:17pm

Hello TC Ella! Just developed west of Samoa, forecast to hit Fiji on Friday or Saturday.


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udo Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 5:44pm

Here is a good site : Cyclocane.

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freeride76 Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 6:44pm

3 ft or so at the Pass.....really hard to tell if there was a cyclone swell in the water, it seemed indistinguishable from any other 3ft tradewind swell day this autumn.
Gurgly 3ft+ down here with no strong signal discernible in amongst the sea state of a 15-20 knot sou-easter.

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crg Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 8:42pm

Yep only felt like tradeswell...weak and lumpy...hope to see some more juice tomorrow !

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spookypt Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 8:53am

Surfed T Tree from 1 - 4.30 yesty arvo. Nothing special. Hoped for some push on the incoming tide but it just made it fatter. Was maybe occasional 3 fts but loooong waits. Big crowd. Lots of snaking... Just the usual.
I really don't know WHY I continue to think Im going to have a good surf there but when its 20kn S/SE and there's some swell options are limited up here.
Maybe next time.

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thermalben Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 9:24am

Brisbane picked up some larger swell periods overnight - around 13 seconds. First glance of the data (see below) suggests it may have been a S/SE pulse - from the Tasman Low? - but the direction and height/period graphs are not actually lined up properly.. in fact this energy was more E/SE.

Tweed Coast seems to be in the 4ft range this morning (down a little on yesterday's size), much cleaner and straighter than yesterday though.

Now that we're past the expected upwards and peak time frames from this event, it does appear that we didn't see much in the way of direct cyclone swell, at least across those coasts where we have surfcams and observers.

I still am still a little surprised that we didn't see more size and energy - despite STC Donna's close proximity to New Caledonia, it did appear that it was just north enough over the weekend to be inside our swell window.

And it was a very slow moving system, in a relatively favourable direction, which further increased the odds. Perhaps the weekend's core winds were much weaker than modelled across the E and NE flanks - this would explain things (though, with ASCAT missing the cyclone, we'll never know).

Certainly one heck of an interesting event all 'round though.

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freeride76 Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 9:31am

I don't think it moved in the correct direction in relation to the circle path; which is always the critical factor in small fetch systems like TC's.
Anything moving obliquely or away from the circle path is duration limited with respect to the swell it can generate, and thus turns out to be extremely limited in the amount of surf it can generate.

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udo Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 9:32am

Is Donna now downgraded to a tropical depression?

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thermalben Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 10:24am

Whilst I agree with the theory that cyclones need to travel 'towards' a location (parallel to its Great Circle paths) to increase surf potential (a factor I'm very familiar with, and have discussed at length over the last fifteen years), I disagree that this was the contributing factor in the case of STC Donna.

I have plotted STC Donna's weekend track on Google Earth (see below), and also overlaid the southern extend of the Great Circle path to the Gold Coast. This takes into account the broad archipelago extending some 240km N/NW of Grande Terre (the main island of New Caledonia).

As we can see, STC Donna's initial track was W/SW, which is not too far off the ideal path - especially given the slow forward speed of the cyclone. And the slight NW and then S'ly track later in the weekend occurred over a sufficiently long enough time frame to discount any negative effects owing to this change in direction IMO. 

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thermalben Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 10:31am

However, I think I have identified what may be responsible: the Chesterfield Islands.

The Chesterfield Islands are a broad archipelago W/NW of Grande Terre, which I've previously had very little reason to investigate further, because Cat 5 cyclones NE of this point - i.e. in our swell window - moving in a favourable track for our coast, are such a rare occurrence. 

On the rare occasion we have seen swell generating systems in this region, they have generally transitioned outside of this minor swell shadow (i.e. to the north, or south) so the shadowing effects haven't been as noticeable.

In this case though, moving outside of the Chesterfield Islands' swell shadow to the south-east then puts it back inside the swell shadow of the reefs immediately NW of Grande Terre! Only way to track into the swell window is to be west of New Caledonia.

It looks like STC Donna was lined up right along the shadow line. 

Thoughts?

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Lanky Dean Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 3:02pm

Nailed it once again ben , nice one :)
Figured there was some barrier reef blocking the swell.
Batten down the hatches in Fiji this weekend :(

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freeride76 Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 10:46am

plausible. it's just such an unreliable swell window in that region between Grand terre, Vanuatu and the Solomons.

I was trying to find a correlate and all I could think of was TC Zoe 2002 but looking at the track map and that came straight down the barrel between Grande Terre and Vanautu and was a swell producer. So I can't find an analogue system to use as a benchmark though I'm sure there is one.

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donweather Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 12:52pm

Agreed it highly likely the reefs of New Cal and Chesterfield along with the bathymetry around both of these locations has had an impact. For me, the fact ASCAT passes missed Donna is also a massive issue. We will never know what the actual fetch and track was.

Just wondering why your GFS WW3 model outputs were way higher than other website GFS WW3 model outputs for this swell from the NE? Not so much in swell period, but def in terms of swell heights.

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donweather Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 12:54pm

Brisbane multi spectral def showing way more energy in the 10-15 sec band this morning, but as you've said Ben, we will never know if this is from the NE or the south.

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pancakecollaroy Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 1:00pm

A real shame that about those pesky islands and reefs.

It has always been a bit of a fantasy of mine to see a very acute large NE groundswell run down the east coast in the same way that the southerly or even SSW ones do.

Ah well, surely one day there will be a perfect cyclone in the perfect spot, with the perfect fetch and synoptic offshores along the whole coast ...

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crg Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 3:02pm

Fascinating insights Ben, FR and Don.
Almost good in a way with all the tech and knowledge that there's stIll a degree of mystery.