Large NE tending E/NE swells this weekend; strong persistent E'ly swells next week with offshores

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Ben Matson (thermalben)

South East Queensland and Northern New South Wales Surf Forecast by Ben Matson (issued Friday 3rd June)

Best Days: Sun: very large clean waves at selected locations. Mon thru' Thurs: solid, clean surf with mainly W'ly thru' NW winds

Recap: Building S'ly swells across Northern NSW on Thursday, reaching 4ft+ at south facing beaches in the afternoon, easing a little overnight but still offering fun clean waves early this morning. A new short range E'ly swell buildt across the entire region today with onshore winds freshening. 

This weekend (Saturday 4th - Sunday 5th)

We have a weekend of two halves ahead.

Aside from torrential rain across many areas, Saturday will be characterised by strengthening NE winds and building NE swells. There’ll be some initial short range E’ly swell in the water early morning, thanks to the current ridge across the southern Coral Sea that’s generating today’s new energy. However this will be quickly overtaken by short range NE swell that should reach a stormy peak around 6-8ft+ by late afternoon across SE Qld and Far Northern NSW. 

We may see a slight delay in the upwards trend across the Mid North Coast on Saturday; a small embedded low in the trough line will contribute most of the initial kick in size and this looks to be best positioned for northern locations at first. 

But with poor winds locally there's really not much to get excited about from a surfing point of view. Throw in the inclement weather and it's a day better spent in preparation for the upcoming event. 

As the trough pushes south throughout Saturday, we’ll eventually see winds become variable before a fresh westerly outflow extends across the coastal margin.

The timing on this is crucial as we’ll need at least a few hours for surface conditions to clean up. Right now, model data has this occurring in the early hours of Sunday morning across SE Qld - indeed, the BOM currently expect winds to shift W’ly "during the morning", but I have a feeling it’ll develop sooner than this - later Sunday night (between dinnertime and midnight). As such, surface conditions should be quite clean for much of Sunday.

As for size, Sunday’s looking at a combination of easing swell heights but growing periods. The latter looks like it’ll be more influential than the former, which means surf size should build a little from Saturday but on the balance it’ll be the improvement in surf quality that'll be most obvious. 

At this stage it’s hard to find any reason to deviate too much away from previous size estimates, but it’s worth reiterating that surf size will be larger with increasing southerly latitude. So, the smallest peak in size will be found across the Sunshine Coast; the largest across the lower Mid North Coast.

To that end, it’s probably easiest to round up this commentary by listing a likely peak surf size for each major region, relative to its open beaches. Obviously, sheltered points and corners will be smaller, however under this swell direction, there is a significantly smaller number of ‘sheltered’ locations in SE Qld and Northern NSW. 

And as stated in Wednesday’s notes, the difficulty for Sunday is (1) estimating just how big the surf will reach (because the fetch is mainly aimed at locations south of us), and (2) working out what surfable options there are under these conditions.

Unlike large south or south-east swells, which offer smaller, more manageable conditions inside sheltered southern corners and point breaks, groundswells from this direction tend to blanket the coast in a relatively uniform size. And sheltered corners (let alone open beaches) often can’t handle the size, meaning that there’s only a couple of workable options across vast tracts of coastline. 

So, Sunday’s peak surf size is likely to play out as per the following:

  • Sunshine Coast: 5-6ft+
  • Gold/Tweed Coasts: 6-8ft+
  • Northern Rivers: 8-10ft+
  • Mid North Coast: 10ft+

The developing westerly flow will first kick in across SE Qld coasts (Saturday night), reaching the Northern Rivers in the early hours of Sunday morning and then the Mid North Coast around dawn. So conditions will be best in all locations by the afternoon but we should see better morning conditions up north than down south.

Next week (Monday 6th onwards)

The developing synoptic setup looks equally in favour of great sizeable waves into next week, and small disappointing leftovers. But on the balance I think we’re looking at an extended spell of great, solid waves. 

Ordinarily, a southward retreating trough aimed towards southern locations would generate a small spread back into Northern NSW and SE Qld. But the sheer length, breadth and coverage of this fetch is quite amazing - its expected to extend right into Fijian longitudes, possibly even further east later next week, though it’ll be smaller in spatial coverage by this time and will be a long way from the mainland.

The long and short is that we’re looking at fluctuating E/NE tending E’ly swell (more east in northern locations) from Monday thru’ Thursday, with mainly westerly winds. There’s a chance for an afternoon northerly on Wednesday as a front approaches from the west, though this is more likely around the Mid North Coast than the Far North and SE Qld regions. Winds should revert to the NW on Thursday morning then W’ly again for the rest of the week. 

Sunday’s large swell will ease significantly into Monday, and once again the largest waves will be found across the Mid North Coast with smaller waves to the north. 

As a starting point, the Gold and Tweed Coasts should hover around 4-6ft on Monday, easing back to 3-5ft through Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Smaller surf is expected across the Sunshine Coast but larger waves are expected across the Northern River (6ft+ Mon, easing to 4-6ft Tues/Wed/Thurs) whilst the Mid North Coast should see larger surf again (6-8ft+ Mon, easing to 5-6ft Tues/Wed/Thurs). 

This is just a broad overview for now, as future model runs are likely to alter these projections over the coming days - and once satellite data becomes available we should be able to better identify individual pulses throughout the extended forecast period. 

Looking further ahead, and apart from a continuation of long range E’ly swell from the backend of this fetch as it retreats east of Tonga (potentially maintaining inconsistent 3-4ft surf at open Northern NSW beaches right through next weekend), we’re looking at a strong series of fronts south of Tasmania from Thursday that should kick up some new S’ly swell for Northern NSW next weekend too.

Prior to this, a small low is expected off the Southern NSW coast around Tuesday but it doesn’t look like it’ll be beneficial for swell production for our region due to a poor alignment and small fetch length. 

So, there ya have it.. let's see how it all plays out! Have a great weekend.

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thermalben Friday, 3 Jun 2016 at 4:52pm

Jeez, it was very hard to put final number on this swell. I'll be very interested to see how it all pans out (as will everyone else too, I suppose!).

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wingnut2443 Friday, 3 Jun 2016 at 5:17pm

Yeah, good work Ben. Where are you heading for this swell? :)

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thermalben Friday, 3 Jun 2016 at 5:28pm

Ha! Stop rubbing it in. Yes, I'm off OS for the next few days so I'm going to miss it!

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crg Friday, 3 Jun 2016 at 5:10pm

Been a tricky couple of weeks on the forecasting! Thanks Ben...let's see how it pans out indeed!

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freeride76 Friday, 3 Jun 2016 at 5:12pm

I'll be interested in a: how many, if any surfable locations exist within 50-100k's drive either side of me on Sun and
b: how many surfable sandbanks are left after Sun for the rest of the swell.

My guess is, with the W to NW flow on Sun it'll be a couple of big lefts at some backbeaches if you can get out to the bloody things. anywhere protected will have devil winds.

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wingnut2443 Friday, 3 Jun 2016 at 5:23pm

"a: how many, if any surfable locations exist within 50-100k's drive either side of me on Sun"

if any ... exactly. "surfable" being the key attribute.

"b: how many surfable sandbanks are left after Sun for the rest of the swell. "

Unfortunately, I doubt many at all. I watched it surge up last night around 6.45pm, surging up to the base of the sand dunes, and that was on the the smaller, weaker, new ESE swell without any wind impact. Howling northerlies with a building ENE swell, into midnight tomorrow night and it's bye bye to a LOT of sand around here, I suspect. Fuck I hope I'm wrong.

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wingnut2443 Friday, 3 Jun 2016 at 5:15pm

I'd just like to clarify the "official" surf size predictions ... as it stands, 2ft is head high, yes? So, at 8' we're looking at 4 times overhead?

Or, is it 4ft for head high surf, despite most blokes being 6ft?

Fuck, I'm confused.

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thermalben Friday, 3 Jun 2016 at 5:17pm

3ft is head high. 6ft is double overhead. 8ft is pushing close to triple overhead. 

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wingnut2443 Friday, 3 Jun 2016 at 5:34pm

Thanks for the clarity :)

I find it much easier to remove the dick swinging aspect and refer to waves I surf relative to my body - ankle slappers, knee high, waist, shoulder or head high, double over head and triple overhead. From there it gets to a measurement of how far my testicles retract into my body, measured by the octave change in my voice.

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le-renard Friday, 3 Jun 2016 at 5:33pm

Novelty spots or a LOOONG drive North...er i mean East...to find something rideable. Banks...we'll just have to see. Always suspicious of 'radial spread', think it might actually be under expectations in some spots (QLD)? They were pulling in the nets on the GC this morning, just FYI (from previous notes). Normally do if it's going to be big.

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the chase Friday, 3 Jun 2016 at 5:40pm

Great forecast notes Ben. Pretty ballies to put some numbers down on every region. Definitely no fence seating.

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NickT Friday, 3 Jun 2016 at 8:38pm

Here here! Bring on Sunday.

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freeride76 Friday, 3 Jun 2016 at 5:52pm

exactly Wingy.

the coastline and sandbar bathymetry we watch as the sun goes down tomorrow will not be the one we wake up to Sun morning after an all night battering and big night-time high tide.

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freesurfer1977 Friday, 3 Jun 2016 at 7:34pm

To me it's a fast moving system, close to land,so junky short range swell. But the thing that interest s me is the offshore winds to the north of all the rain

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mrmik Friday, 3 Jun 2016 at 9:05pm

I have not seen many of these events in my life, probably none. So, I might be wrong, but I think that the off-shore winds will unable to remove the 1-2m chop from the larger wave faces on Sunday and may be also Monday (for SE-QLD). The surface may be glassy, but nevertheless will be an unmanageable mess of swells of varying periods running through each other.

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mrmik Friday, 3 Jun 2016 at 9:08pm

So what is so bad about storm bars? They always seem to get mentioned like it's an insult....
Would they not get deposited right where they need to be for the biggest waves to break upon?

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muzzrx Friday, 3 Jun 2016 at 11:18pm

I'm a total newbie, and I'm loving reading these forecasts. I've got no chance to catch any of these monsters but I'm excited none the less. Hope it all pans out well !!

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freeride76 Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 7:37am

Mik, the storm bars tend to be way, way out the back , straight, and then drop off into deep water quickly.
that means shapeless surf.
that means they then either just cap or suck the energy out of smaller swells in the days, weeks and months following.
storm bars are the worst possible result for Pointbreaks and most beachbreaks in SEQLD/NENSW.

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mrmik Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 8:56am

Thanks FR, I think I get it now.

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thermalben Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 9:17am

Already victory-at-sea at Byron.

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dangerouskook2000 Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 9:39am

Hey Ben, we got 400 posts yet? Come on everyone lets smash that record

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dangerouskook2000 Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 9:53am

bathymetry is a good word.

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mbl88 Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 10:13am

Cant believe anyone is excited about tomorrow. Like people keep mentioning sunday like itll be the day of days. Maybe sunday next week but not this sunday.

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blow-in-9999 Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 10:21am

Id be very surprised to not see the sc do well tomorrow. Nsw not so much.

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NickT Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 10:51am

Fingers crossed. It's definitely worth checking anyway.

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Sprout Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 10:35am

Get ya post surf betadine wash and aqua ear ready she's gonna be a stinky one.

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CouplaFunOnes Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 11:53am

9m+ hmax on Mba buoy this morning, pretty wild.

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mugofsunshine Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 12:13pm

Just gone offshore on the Sunny Coast.

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dangerouskook2000 Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 1:02pm

DI here we come. Yeeeewwww

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kaiser Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 1:27pm

Checked Burleigh mid morning. It's breaking further out than the headland all the way up the beach as far as you can see - pretty much to Miami. Almost as far out as the shark nets usually are. Not huge, but peaks rolling in everywhere. Will be an interesting sight tomorrow

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barclay Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 1:39pm

Few drum lines have washed in from Surfers south to Mermaid, sets breaking about 700m to 1km from shore! Hard to gauge a size. 8-10 foot I'd say. Very wide inshore gutter as far as the eye can see. Happy hunting tomorrow

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wingnut2443 Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 1:50pm

... tweed wave buoy recorded over 10m already today!

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freeride76 Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 1:53pm

Had a good look around the grounds from Ballina to Byron. Looksike total destruction of the existing inshore sandbanks under an onslaught of gale force NE to ENE winds and 6-8ft of storm surf.
Tried to get into Belongil or a sqizz at the new rock wall but it was cordoned off with fire trucks in there.
Based on current obs and the damage expected from the high tide tonight I'm downgrading my outlook for rideable surf tomorrow to very low to non existent.
Any novelty river waves are going to be fun with a minor/moderate flood running through them.

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mbl88 Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 3:04pm

Just saw photos from a certain bar from up north already looks surfable.

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freeride76 Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 3:59pm

How big on the be sunny coast? Any eyewitness reports?

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Sprout Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 4:46pm

Right now, 4-6ft, absolute mess, no wind.

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Craig Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 6:03pm

4-6ft, looked way bigger than that at exposed breaks from the cams.

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Sprout Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 6:47pm

4ftish quiet periods, 5ftish avg, 6ftish 'sets', perhaps an odd bigger one waaay out back. Definitely not 6-8 or 8+ like last big one.

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AndyM Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 4:22pm

Belongil "cordoned off with fire trucks".

Sounds like they're not taking any chances.

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AndyM Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 4:24pm

You should ask the Fireys if they realise there's a rock wall already there FR! ; )

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NickT Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 5:10pm

Impressive readings on the buoys. I wonder how the truck is going that rolled over while out on the groin at Dbar. The Gold Coast Bulletin has famed this swell as the swell of the decade lol.

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mbl88 Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 5:55pm

sunny coast this arv

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curly2alex Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 6:16pm

....a collective shake of the head
mbl88.....you jerk

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mbl88 Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 6:30pm

Dont shoot the messenger these bad boys are all over fb for everyone to see.

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curly2alex Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 7:05pm

Jerks....

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Craig Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 6:01pm

Wow epic.

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Sprout Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 6:42pm

Was generally messy and required a ski. Nothing like last swell.

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weak man Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 6:18pm

"Victory at sea", where does this come from? I understand it's meaning but not the context. Tonight's linguistic question...

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velocityjohnno Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 6:37pm

WW2 war effort films perhaps?
"Get your convoy to Murmansk, don't let Gerry get you, sink those U-Boats and it's Victory at Sea!"

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Channel bottoms Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 8:46pm

Love it Johnno

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stunet Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 9:37pm

Yep, that's how I understood it, a line from a WWII film. Lancaster bombers, Biggles, Japanese Zeroes etc etc

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wingnut2443 Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 7:01pm

Byron wave buoy ... having it's own "victory at sea"!

https://new.mhl.nsw.gov.au/data/realtime/wave/Buoy-byrbow

FARK ... that swell direction rose is all over the place. Maybe, it needs to be renamed as the 007 buoy - shaken, not stirred.

And, it looks like we might be on the way for a record wave height at the Tweed buoy. Couple now well over 10m, heading upwards around 13m, which is the record from '96.

https://www.qld.gov.au/environment/coasts-waterways/beach/waves-sites/tw...

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NickT Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 8:36pm

Wow that's incredible

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udo Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 7:21pm

Decent reading JG.

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Hirsty Saturday, 4 Jun 2016 at 9:07pm

Fingers crossed the westerlies open up a lot of options! Not looking forward to the circus coming to town on the SC again!

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wingnut2443 Sunday, 5 Jun 2016 at 5:20am

Looks like the records been broken at Tweed., with it touching 15m at the peak overnight. Dropped fast since though :(

https://www.qld.gov.au/environment/coasts-waterways/beach/waves-sites/tw...

Water temps dropped too. Might feel more like winter now ;)

Now, I wonder how much sand is missing off the beach?

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wally Sunday, 5 Jun 2016 at 8:32am

The sand paths to the beach at Rainbow Bay have been resculptured.

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freeride76 Sunday, 5 Jun 2016 at 9:49am

pretty good call re: size.

6-8ft here with a couple 10ft bombs.

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mbl88 Sunday, 5 Jun 2016 at 12:10pm

Anyone surf from the goldy south today, saw a photo of rasta riding an 8'6 on a bomb somewhere south. Just curious to see if people got waves.

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freeride76 Sunday, 5 Jun 2016 at 12:21pm

went from 6-8 with bigger bombs to 8-10 with bigger bombs here through the mid-morning.
rideable for a bit if you didn't mind wearing 10-12 footers on the head.

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the chase Sunday, 5 Jun 2016 at 12:47pm

You cop a beating FR. Hahaha

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dangerouskook2000 Sunday, 5 Jun 2016 at 1:14pm

Bathymetry is pronounced bəˈθɪmətri

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Haydos Sunday, 5 Jun 2016 at 2:31pm
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Craig Sunday, 5 Jun 2016 at 5:59pm

How's this Ascat, 50kt+ winds around the lows core..

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freeride76 Sunday, 5 Jun 2016 at 10:07pm

gotta say by lunch-time today it really was 10-12 ft surf around here, with some bigger sets.
Biggest surf since May 2009 storms.

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Tim Tam Monday, 6 Jun 2016 at 5:57am

Was it surfable/paddleable?

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mbl88 Monday, 6 Jun 2016 at 9:07am

saw photos from lennox looked 8ft plus with a few guys on it.

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Haydos Monday, 6 Jun 2016 at 12:29pm

Scored some fun waves up the north end of the Goldy today. Not quite as big as yesterday, but still pretty decent. Paddle out wasn't that bad once you got past the shorey either