More south swell ahead for the weekend

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Ben Matson (thermalben)

South East Queensland and Northern New South Wales Surf Forecast by Ben Matson (issued Friday 6th March)

Best Days: Sat/Sun: good south swell (biggest at south swell magnets in Northern NSW, only small in SE Qld) but surf early before the onshores kick in. Mid-next week onwards: slowly building E'ly swell through into the weekend.

Recap: Thursday was very small and lacklustre in most regions. Friday however has been a completely different story with a strong S’ly swell pushing along the coast. Wave heights generally fell within expectations in SE Qld (building to 1-2ft most beaches, up to 2-3ft at Snapper - see pic below from our new surfcam - and 3ft+ south facing beaches) however surf size was larger than expected in Northern NSW with 6ft+ sets at exposed south facing locations. 

This weekend (Mar 7-8)

Looks like more of the same for the weekend. Today’s existing south swell will taper off through Saturday morning but a second southerly groundswell - much of the same characteristics as today’s event - is expected to push northwards across the coast during the day. 

This swell will be the byproduct of a strong secondary front rounding the Tasmanian corner tonight, however it will last a shorter time in our swell window thanks to a more easterly storm track. 

Based based on today’s performance I’ve upped size expectations for Saturday, with south facing beaches in Northern NSW likely to reach a peak around 5-6ft, with 3ft waves at remaining open beaches and smaller surf inside protected southern corners.

We’re looking at an early-mid morning arrival across the Mid North Coast, reaching the Far North Coast by late morning and crossing the border in the early afternoon. So ahead of this, wave heights are likely to be smaller off the backside of today's event.

North of Byron Bay, wave heights will again taper off considerably due to the swell direction. So, allowing for a slow easing trend through early Saturday morning, wave heights should perk up into the afternoon but size will probably be restricted to 1-2ft across most SE Qld open beaches, reaching 2-3ft at the Snapper contest site and then 3ft+ at the region’s handful of south facing beaches (expect the upper end of this size range towards the end of the day).

As for local conditions - freshening easterly winds in most areas (tending northeast south of about Yamba) will create bumpy conditions through the afternoon but winds should be light and variable in the morning. There may be some lingering bumps early morning from overnight light to moderate onshore/crossshore winds but in general it'll be on the improve fairly quickly.

On Sunday, we’ll see an early peak in S’ly swell - probably of a similar size as late Saturday (north of Coffs Harbour) but the easing trend will set in early morning across the Mid North Coast, and all locations will see a steady drop in size during the day.

Again, onshore winds are expected to freshen during the day - most likely with an earlier onset than Saturday morning - so you’ll have to aim for the dawn patrol for the cleanest conditions. Overall there’ll be options but I suspect the winds will create a few problems in many areas.

Next week (Mar 9 onwards)

The first half of next week looks generally small and uninteresting for the most part.

A general lack of activity within our primary swell windows from Sunday onwards means that we’ll be relying on residual energy to initially keep open beaches rideable. Sunday’s south swell will continue to ease into Monday, and a slowly developing trade flow SW of New Caledonia should slowly build a small E’ly swell for the SE Qld and Far Northern NSW coasts through into the middle of the week

No great size is expected at first (just a couple of feet) however this fetch will slowly broaden and strength through Tuesday and Wednesday in response to a developing Tropical Cyclone to the north, so the second half of the week could see some reasonable sets across open beaches north of Byron, in the 3-4ft range. Let’s wait and see how this flow pans out.

In Northern NSW south to Seal Rocks, weak pressure patterns will create light winds and surf size will remain small in general most days. A moderate southerly change is pegged for Friday but nothing amazing is expected the surf department at this stage.

Elsewhere, the aforementioned Tropical Cyclone that’s modelled to develop out in the Solomons/Vanuatu region early next week is already causing a stir via its long range technicolour WAMS. 

Now, there are a few things we need to consider for the long term forecast around this system.

Yes, there is a chance for a significant swell event from the cyclone itself. However, as we’ve seen a couple of times already this year, Tropical Cyclones are very tricky to forecast, even at short range - so we have to be careful about how the level of speculation at such early stages - especially considering the small variations in storm tracks over the last few model runs (it seems to be alternating between a southward path west of Vanuatu, and east of Vanuatu - each of which would have considerably different outcomes in the surf department). 

And, as we all know - via the hype around the ‘Cyclone Marcia swell’, which actually didn’t have anything to do with TC Marcia, but was instead the result of a super charged trade swell - there are two swell events to consider from this developing synoptic pattern: (1) cyclone swell, and (2) trade swell. As such there’s definitely some merit in assessing them on an individual basis.

So, looking at the trade swell first - I’ve already mentioning the strengthening easterly flow during the week that’ll probably generate 3-4ft of trade swell through the latter part of next week. Assuming this cyclone isn’t quickly steered to the south-east (as has been suggested in the latest model run this evening), we should see a peak in trade swell around 4-5ft next weekend, or possibly early in the following week. A strengthening ridge across the Qld coast in the wake of Friday's southerly change reaffirms these prospects. 

The cyclone potential on the other hand has an enormous range of possible surf outcomes, depending on where it tracks, at what speed and at what strength.

Until the latest model runs this evening, there was some potential for a large swell event developing later next weekend however this seems to have gone astray in the latest model runs - either by way of a delay in its development cycle, or a possible shunt to the south-east. However we really need another three or four days (or, more preferably - just some time after the cyclone has developed) to fully assess the potential as there’s simply too many variables on offer. I hate sitting on the fence but this is a really complex pattern ahead.

Nevertheless, this weather system will absolutely be the focal point of these forecast notes for the coming week and a half - I'm really looking forward to tracking its movements daily.

See you Monday!

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thermalben Friday, 6 Mar 2015 at 10:13pm

Sorry it's late - notes are here now. How's the new Snapper cam, eh?

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wellymon Friday, 6 Mar 2015 at 10:36pm

Great stuff SN.

Still " Error loading skin Incompatible player version" .....???????

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thermalben Friday, 6 Mar 2015 at 10:38pm

Welly, can you please delete your cookies and cache, and then refresh the surfcam page. We've had a dozen people contact us about this over the last few days and in every instance it's fixed the issue perfectly.

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wellymon Friday, 6 Mar 2015 at 10:38pm

"I'm really looking forward to tracking its movements daily."

Yeewwww;)

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donweather Saturday, 7 Mar 2015 at 7:25am

Bye bye!!!

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Cylinders85 Saturday, 7 Mar 2015 at 7:33am

That sucks done and dusted ?

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freeride76 Saturday, 7 Mar 2015 at 7:35am

yeah, Craig called that and I'm on that train too.
maybe a stall near the North Island if we're lucky.
no harm, no foul for the banks though, which survived Marcia.

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donweather Saturday, 7 Mar 2015 at 8:02am

Don't think this one would have been a bank buster by any means Steve. Just woulda been nice to get some NE swell from this girl.

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freeride76 Saturday, 7 Mar 2015 at 8:36am

Yeah true

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Sheepdog Saturday, 7 Mar 2015 at 9:56am

I agree with Ben... A bit more time is needed on this one... Disheleved high east on Nz trying to intensify post 12/3 is crucial, as is cyclone track through Fiji/new cal etc...

NE swell????

The forgotten system, off NQ is worth just keeping one eye on re' long term... GFS have some interesting scenarios..... Access is full steam to the gulf....

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Cylinders85 Saturday, 7 Mar 2015 at 8:43am

Second that.would off been great to get a NE swell was allready planing some time off work easy come easy go

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Sheepdog Saturday, 7 Mar 2015 at 8:56am

Ene swell, yeah, cylinder.... But real NE decent period big groundswell in qld is a once in 20 year thing... Sometimes get peaky shifty one day 3 foot NE events in winter spring when an ecl moves off the Fraser coast, bombs, drops south, and the swell remnants are cleaned up by a westerly in the NW quadrant of the low....

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Cylinders85 Saturday, 7 Mar 2015 at 12:11pm

Your rite but was hoping that 20 year swell was this one Haha.

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Sheepdog Saturday, 7 Mar 2015 at 1:02pm

lol..... I used to dream of a big NE groundswell lining up ***** reef, and peeling all the way to the airport hehehe.....

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donweather Saturday, 7 Mar 2015 at 4:53pm

Hold the fort!!! 00z GFS looking better!!! But 888hPa.......seriously!!

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/navm.html?model=gfs&regio...

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donweather Saturday, 7 Mar 2015 at 9:17pm

Geezus, EC whisks the monster away at fecking light speed!!! :'(

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Cylinders85 Saturday, 7 Mar 2015 at 9:41pm

Hook line and sinker Just trying to suck you in haha don't buy into it.

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davetherave Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 7:49am

sea temperature's high in lots of places. with system near gulf and another at nz, it may surprise us but it has heaps of warm water to feed on so it may move very quickly. Let us put our desires together to get it to track to give us some good waves and have it slow down and grow. optimism is such a great thing,

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alsurf Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 8:02am

When is the froth and speculation going to start. Still looking good in maps isn't it?

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Sheepdog Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 10:08am

The clear saliva is starting to bubble, alsurf....
That disheveled high is creating juuust enough of a ridge to be helpful..
Also note smaller system I was speaking about last week.... Could be 2 cyclone swells in a row....

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alsurf Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 11:13am

Sheep do you think the swell charts are under cooking the east swell seein that there are so many other swells in the water?

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Sheepdog Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 11:36am

What time frame in particular, alsurf? Are we talking "the big event" as in the big cyclone, or are we talking quicky pro east trade swell later this week?

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Haydos Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 11:57am

I'd like to hear your thoughts on both swells if you wouldn't mind

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Sheepdog Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 12:15pm

I gotta bail for a little while, alsurf, so i'll cover both..

Gold coast "Swell Train Analysis" has penciled in 2 foot for Friday.. i think it's slightly undercooked...
http://www.metvuw.com/forecast/forecast.php?type=rain&region=swp&noofdays=8

If you look at the current map, draw a long horizontal rectangle from say 150e - eastward out to 160w, by 20s to 30s...... You'll note all the isobars starting to indicate the formation of a trade belt with east to se winds....... It's happening as we speak.. Currently around 15 knots and due to strengthen non stop...
If you go click on the tues 1300 map, the trade belt has strengthened considerably (btw this will also be a factor in the upcoming cyclone - but we'll get to that later)..
Also note the bit of "muck" at 180/25s, with a slight squeeze of the lines..
By the time you get to the 1300 wed map, she's a pretty ok trade belt all the way to Qld.... So, I'd say 3 foot.... Maybe even the odd 4 footer....

Now, the cyclone..... Above I mentioned that massive rectangle from qld out to near the international dateline.... Well not quite lol..... But that is a big area with a 15 to 25k wind blowing over it..... So we will have an "active sea state" when and if that cyclone moves into the swell window.... Even though the cyclone doesn't have a perfect cradle, she's a beast..... Expect bombs..... cheers, man....

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alsurf Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 12:15pm

Time frame mainly around fri sat Sunday as I'm all booked up the following week

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alsurf Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 12:26pm

Cheers sheepy

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donweather Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 12:46pm

Hmmm fiji met thinking PAM will only get to a Cat 3. Models (including EC) look to be painting a worser picture than this I thought?

https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10981848_9277307...

http://www.ecmwf.int/en/forecasts/charts/medium/mean-sea-level-pressure-...

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donweather Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 1:01pm

So they extend the comp so they can surf waist to shoulder high? FFS!!!

http://www.surfline.com/surf-science/quiksilver-pro-gold-coast----surfli...

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Craig Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 1:07pm

Yep, I'm with you Don.

Only extend the comp for a significant swell, why extend it for an average building trade-swell.

Waste of time and money.

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mick-free Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 1:23pm

Then they finish the comp its going to pump!!!

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alsurf Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 1:55pm

Is anyone thinking we will see at least 6ft this weekend the maps look impressive but will travel time land it into the following week

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Craig Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 1:58pm

Alsurf, not likely, groundswell from TC moving into the trade-flow doesn't look to hit until Monday.

More likely E/SE trade-swell to 3-4ft+.

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mick-free Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 3:00pm

Even Surfline agrees. They have put out a disclaimer on the Official forecast for the comp.

"A gradual increase in E trade swell is forecast for the mid to second part of the week, but at this time we continue to not advertise this being a significant event on or before Friday the 13th unless the situation changes in the tropics."

Rosy was talking up finishing the womens finals in pumping Kirra

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Craig Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 3:18pm

This so called cyclone swell has been over-hyped to the max, monster swell articles, photos being shared around social media of weather maps and isobars by people who don't really know what they're looking at.

As I stated last week before they extended it, any swell from this TC was due to hit the week starting the 16th, way past the end of the period.

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udo Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 3:26pm

Ha .....Freerides little dig at McCartney on the other site.

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donweather Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 3:22pm

Based on EC charts yes, but based on GFS it was progging much earlier swell in its model runs mid-late last week.

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Craig Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 3:33pm

Not from what I remember Don. There were a couple of outlier updates pushing the TC west of Vanuatu/New Cal by GFS but for the main part everything I was tracking had it to the east with groundswell arriving Tuesday the 17th.

But moving on at least we'll get some decent juice from this system through next week.

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alsurf Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 4:15pm

Don't ynder hype the swell Craig I'm still hoping for a decent fix of surf on sunday

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Sheepdog Monday, 9 Mar 2015 at 6:33pm

Whatever the quicky pro crew do, they'll be criticized... I think it's a good move extending the comp.... If they held the finals in 2 foot slop, people would whinge...... At least they have the chance at getting 3 to 4 foot tradeswell on friday.... Last 3 to 4 foot tradeswell had people pretty excited....... ;p