Shane Peel and the snowsurf movement

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_mg_1632.jpg"I gave up everything to live there," says Shane Peel about his home in Japan. "I was living on a perfect tropical island with pumping reef breaks back and front...the whole resort thing. But I left all that and went to Hokkaido."

Originally from the Sunshine Coast, Shane is the co-founder of Telos Island Lodge. Surrounded by perfect waves it appeared he had it made in the palm-fringed shade, but the world's best powder and a nascent snowboarding movement convinced him to pick up a camera and move to Japan. The movement - snowsurf, which is also the title of his film - has many parallels with surf culture.

Swellnet: What you're documenting is a relatively new movement in the mountains, is that correct?
Shane Peel: Yeah, it's relatively new to the mainstream, but it's been going for a very long time, I'd say it's been happening for the last 15 years.

Who's spearheading the movement?
A guy called Taro Tamai. He's a surfer and snowboarder, but specifically a snowboard shaper and designer. He's based in Niseko in Hokkaido.

_p_16096.jpgWhat are snowsurf's defining attributes?
It's a style of snowboarding that's based around natural terrain and it has a huge surf influence. It's basically surf style on snow. So the boards are completely different to regular twin tip snowboards and the style of riding is completely different. It's had a very Japanese aesthetic applied to it. I'm not sure if you’re aware but Japanese people tend to pick a single thing and focus intently on perfecting it. So it's just by natural selection they've created a style of snowboarding that focuses on the turn and not the jump.

Sounds like a style that lends itself to older guys.
Exactly. Snowboarding is not like surfing, it's only just starting to enter its third generation now. It's like a whole generation behind surfing. What's happening in snowboarding is kinda like what happened in surfing when all of a sudden it became OK to ride a longboard or a fish. Snowboarders who want to snowboard forever kind of have no choice but to adopt snowsurf. Guys like Gerry Lopez. Gerry came to Hokkaido on his own dime to get involved in this and to ride these boards 'cos he believes that it's a significant change to design and to the direction of snowboarding.

as_snb_gentem_1_630.jpgI recently had a conversation with Michael Mackie and he drew some pretty sharp analogies with what is happening in snowboarding now with what happened in surfing a few years ago: a recognition and a revisiting of past designs.
Yeah, Mackie is neck deep in it. He's been up there, he's got the boards. His sidecut fish is taken directly from Taro's snowboard outlines. There's a gigantic exchange of design philosophies going on. Like, not last year, not last month, but right now. 

Interesting that a bunch of older guys are at the vanguard of a movement.
Remember when Nat and all those guys reinvigorated the longboard scene in the 80s? Well it's similar to that but now the young guys are getting into it. All of a sudden guys who wouldn’t have considered that style of riding, who were all about the 60 foot kicker, Alaskan back country, blah blah blah...now they're going 'hang on, this is outrageously good fun'. Same as when regular surfers started riding fishes here in Australia and America. That same discovery of functionality within a retro-based movement is what's happening. And now all of a sudden the mainstream snowboard labels have these surf style shapes in their range. That's being driven by demand.

_p_18999.jpgWhy Japan? Why did it start there?
It's simple, the reason it's happening in this particular part of the world is because they get the best powder snow on the planet.

Some of the powder scenes from the movie are quite amazing.
Oh dude....[Peely's voice drops an octave and gets intense]I bought a house there. I moved there. I gave up everything to live there. I was living on a perfect tropical island with pumping reef breaks back and front, speedboats, the whole resort thing. But I left all that and went to Hokkaido.

Tell us more about Taro Tamai.
So...Taro-san is a classic Japanese person in every sense of that description, but he's also very progressive. What he's chosen to do is at odds with Japanese society in general. Japanese society is very conformist, they lock into their job and they get on the train every day to go to work. But Taro and all the people who subscribe to this movement have chosen a very alternative lifestyle. They live in rural Japan, they all eat really well, they all live very, very pared down versions of normal Japanese life. In the process they've become more in touch with traditional Japanese values.

Taro is a fantastic surfer, a fantastic snowboarder, he's heavily influence by jazz and by different artists. He only makes 1,800 of this boards a year and people order them years ahead to get one. They're not like normal snowboards where the new season comes around and people go, 'Wow I've got to get the new season snowboard'. These are boards that are timeless. I saw one the other day, it was 10 years old but still utterly valid, the same way a really good longboard or a really solid resin tinted 6 ounce glass job is still valid. They're not disposable items at all.

It seems that rather than being a straight sport film, what you're documenting a bit of a social movement too?
To an extent. It's my first film and when I set out I had very, very ambitious targets. I was going to make an in depth documentary, but in the end the fun aspect of it just shone through and I couldn't contain it. So it ended up being a movie with 14 sections and 14 great songs and a narrated story that lays over the top of it. So it's not a classic snowboard film insomuch as it's got a whole lot of banging parts to music, and it's not a classic documentary in that it goes hideously deep into a subject. I'd say it's a cross between the two.

One other thing though: we completely wrote and recorded the soundtrack to the movie as well.

Sounds like you've got a whole Morning Of The Earth thing going.
Absolutely! You should hear some of the songs Jeff Leonard and Beau Young have written specifically for the movie. We recorded it all at Music Farm Studios up at Byron. Beau is going be playing live up at the Byron show which is at the Patagonia store. It's gonna be a banger of a show.

(All photos except Taro Tamai Snowsurf range courtesy of Katsuhide Fujio)

Snowsurf is premiering in Australia this week:
23rd September, Patagonia Sydney store 6pm
25th September, Patagonia Torquay store 6pm
26th Café Byron 6pm (Shop1/ 58 Jonson St, Byron Bay)
Visit Patagonia's events page on Facebook for details

Later this year the film will be available as video on demand. Swellnet will have further details.

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donweather Tuesday, 22 Sep 2015 at 4:11pm

I still don't understand why this isn't screening in Qld!!!

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shane-peel Tuesday, 29 Sep 2015 at 6:18pm

Hey Don,
Australia showing were via Patagonia stores and the good grace of Patagonia Australia and I don't think there is a store in OLD is there?

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zenagain Wednesday, 30 Sep 2015 at 8:38pm

Shane, will there be a showing in Japan?

I live in Ibaraki.

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shane-peel Thursday, 1 Oct 2015 at 8:08am

Hey Zen,
There is going to be a bunch of showings in the Patagonia stores in Japan if you hit their site there is a date list, also a show in Niseko Chonin Centre on big screen and a few different ones across the season in Hirafu, an actuall DVD with the soundtrack as well will be available in Japan at most good core snowboard stores.

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zenagain Thursday, 1 Oct 2015 at 8:24am

Sweet Shane, thankyou.

I'll be in Niseko mid-Feb so will try and hit it up. But definitely look at getting a copy if I can. Most likely shop is about 50 k's away down near Mito city for me.

I saw some Patagonia footage quite a while back with Lopez and it was filmed in Hokkaido. Might have even been on their website when I was searching for gear. Looked like your style so I'm guessing it most likely was shot by you.

Love your work.

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Blowin Tuesday, 22 Sep 2015 at 8:13pm

I've never been snowboarding , but that looks unreal.

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wellymon Wednesday, 23 Sep 2015 at 1:31am

Cool stuff for sure, but I rode his boards on a demo day a few years back, they just don't have the technology of smooth transitional flex in all sorts of snow conditions, weight on weight off.
You can see in the video how they ride, they bog and shatter thru turns and that's in amazing powpow...?
Pretty much you can ride a Mcdonalds tray in those conditions, but when you get on a Maserati you know about it and they surely are not;)
Great craftsmanship and love tho.

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surfinado Wednesday, 23 Sep 2015 at 9:58am

While this is beautiful riding in perfect snow, the idea that it's somehow revolutionary to ride mountains like one rides waves is like saying you've reinvented the wheel. Every surfer who has ever snowboarded can attest to the feeling of snowsurfing - the term has been used since the days of the 'snurfer' in the 60s. And it's absolutely possible to do that every time you turn, as well as riding terrain to get a jib on...in almost any type of snow. That said, nothing beats riding powder, and I can't wait to see some on Saturday night!

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freebordnig Thursday, 24 Sep 2015 at 10:18pm

If this movie is going to be anything like Signatures which came out in 09 it's going to be even better as it's solely Snowsurf. Everybody better get ready for the White Wave movement as it will be a big part of snowboarding in the next few years, this year I rode one of two K2 Carveair snowboards available in Australia and it was the best season I have had riding outside of Japan sine 2000 as you could snow surf properly without powder.
Having said that I own a Gentem Giant Mantaray Snowsurf and Big Fish Snowsurf the boards these guys are riding in the movie these boards are at home in Hokkaido a place I have been every year since 2000 it's always 6ft and offshore.

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wellymon Friday, 25 Sep 2015 at 4:27am
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Everybody better get ready for the White Wave movement as it will be a big part of snowboarding in the next few years,

freebordnig :) ...
With a happy face. ( note, I'm not texting you on my phone whilst eating dinner with my wife and her Mum and Dad). It's just my English is illiterate.

Could you please explain to myself, what is the term or meaning of the "White Wave Movement".?

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freebordnig Friday, 25 Sep 2015 at 8:20am

The "White Wave Movement" is basically bringing back snowboarding a level to where everybody can enjoy a day on the hill, without being I guess intimidated by the guys doing all the great tricks in the park and you saying I wish I could do that. The WWM will bring new snowboard shapes to the market that you can ride with great style and being able to carve like having hard boots, you will basically see the whole mountain as a White Wave just slash and bash everything in your way in your own unique style. It's not just surf style it is will be something that everybody will enjoy and if you have a cool board under your feet your going to ride better and look different to what we have been riding for the past 30 years.

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wellymon Friday, 25 Sep 2015 at 10:32am

Quote fb "The "White Wave Movement" is basically bringing back snowboarding a level to where everybody can enjoy a day on the hill"

That's cool as fb.

So 30 years ago when I first started snowboarding in '85' I'm glad to have had that style the whole time :)

The WWM style which apparently has just been recognised, was there 30 years ago....IMO..

Trust me fb, it all came from surfing waves then taking this style to the frozen water peaks and beyond, ditching the the skis which was the norm in the 70's. The tricks and airs came from the skating realm later on.

Is this WWM thingie just like a hipster movement in comparison with today's society with surfing maybe???
I feel this is so, it's cool eh !

It was happening long time before Shane Peel is stating 3 decades?
I would love to know how long Shane Peel has been riding for and testing hundreds of snowboards to say that these boards are the dogs nuts?

Maybe the boards look cool and ride smooth (not) in big open faces, deep fluffy Jap pow, untracked etc etc, But really when you compare the technology of big snowboard manufactures they don't perform or come close. Watch the video real close and you can see these boards bog, chatter (even in pow), there's no pop, no spring, just motionless turns IMO.

I'm with the WWM and have been for decades, just before Craig Kelly my mentor started doing indie grabs in the pipe;)

Let's talk more,
Peace, Slay and big Carves;)

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zenagain Friday, 25 Sep 2015 at 10:35am

Great post Welly.

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freebordnig Friday, 25 Sep 2015 at 12:51pm

Yes the WWM is I guess a thing that is a bit catchy an might be hipster. I am with you I started riding in 84 and have always treated the mountain as a frozen wave/skate park coming from a surf background and gaving up skating soon after as snow is softer than concrete. Yes I have like you had a snowsurfing style like you all this time. Most people say to me you snowboard like you surf.

The Japanese crew do have a very nice smooth and low stance style that makes them look different to us Westerners as we are taller in most cases. They have I guess had the advantage of perfecting this style of riding where I guess we have a more upright and freestyle stance.

That being said riding the K2 Carveair this season gave me the opportunity like back in the day when I rode hard boots to lay those carve out, this board gives you the opportunity with soft boots to carve and also let you mix it with freestyle. A bit like riding a performance surfboard mixed with a fish. It is a very different ride to any other resort board I have ridden.

The Gentemstick has it's place and on a deep day nothing compares, however most of the time where we ride "the trees" I have been riding much more nimble boards over the past two years that blow you away. This year I have a 150cm twin powder board with seriously deep concave on tip and tail should be interesting.

Hope to catch up some time as it would be good to ride with somebody who has been riding as long as we both have.

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wellymon Saturday, 26 Sep 2015 at 1:31am

Good to hear freeboarding, I like the avatar name.

Told you I couldn't spell. .) I only have one eye.)
That's why I love trees, two eyes two trees, one eye one tree which makes the journey so at one you just concentrate on the one thing and smoothly cruise past without a care in this world. Which was one thing at a young age my Grandad RIP, once told me! Representing a huge part of my own journey.

Hardboots eh?

"The Gentemstick has it's place and on a deep day nothing compares"

Why does nothing compare fb?

IMO there are countless feelings and the ultimate No1 feeling is to feel the snow and become one with it when riding pow/deep pow. ( just like old school surfing) as it's all about turns. Everyone rides different in various conditions, which make surfing, skating and SB IMO so similar.
But my own buzz in deep pow, is to get deep in it, not skim across it which happens most days when it's not deep.....?

That's a very different theory to many a snowboarder when in that situation, think deep about this one!
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Of fixing the pole I broke, all hands on

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zenagain Thursday, 24 Sep 2015 at 11:08pm

Hey freebording, I live in Japan and while I don't do Hokkaido very often I'm pretty covered for powder in my local area.

I've never ridden a swallaw tail/fish type board but am really interested in the Gentemstick Magic38. Reason being I'm interested in something that rides a bit shorter for when I get into the trees and also when I'm relegated to the groomers. How does your Big Fish go on non-powder days (ice-bahn, slush or even when everything is just chopped out)? I believe the Magic38 is just a shorter version of the Big Fish at 168cm.

My current ride is a Never Summer Premier F1 163 and it's a really nice board, super fast and powers through anything. I ride it as set back as possible but it's not a pure powder board, more of a directional big mountain board (it's a heavy bloody thing too but I don't notice it when I'm riding).

I've heard good things about the Jones Hovercraft and a mate rides a Salomon Powdersnake and loves it but there's just something about Gentemstick boards that really draws me to them, not cheap though. What are your thoughts?

Welly above is a very experienced boarder and he doesn't rate them. Would like to know your angle.

PS Hokkaido this Feb for a week and Canada in March. Yee hah!

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freebordnig Saturday, 26 Sep 2015 at 2:39pm

Hey zenagain, I have never ridden a Gentem on a non powder day so unfortunately cannot comment. I have however ridden a Prior Pow stick 176 on groomers in Japan and it went very nicely, not sure if it would be good in the chop as i did not like it in the trees due to the length. I would not necessarily look at the Magic38 for what you are after as my Bigfish is a 163 and I only take it out on super deep days now.
I have been riding the YES 420 for the past two years and they are suited to what you are after better, I have the YES 2020 to test out this year. The boards are so quick through the trees compared to any other boards I have ridden in the past.
If you still want a Gentem I would look at the Rocket Fish or Giant Mantaray.
Below is my Japan Quiver, YES 2020 Concave, Full Quiver


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zenagain Saturday, 26 Sep 2015 at 2:25pm

Cheers for the response freeb. Will get back to you tonight.

To add a pic go to imgur.com choose upload photo and follow the instructions. Send your pic to forums and message boards, you'll see it to the right and then copy and paste into the swellnet forum box.

That should get you there.

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wellymon Saturday, 26 Sep 2015 at 3:08pm

Nice quiver and array of sticks fb, love it.

Are they touring skis for boarding?

Your split board is set up duck stance why? What kind of splitty you got!

What is the board on the right with channel slots for bindings? A Burton?

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freebordnig Saturday, 26 Sep 2015 at 3:46pm

They are foldable touring skis for boarding http://www.mtnapproach.com/index.php I can take these on the plane, as taking my split to Japan with the other two boards is too heavy. Also the MTNApproach System is quicker that split board transition due to permanent skins. They are good for Australia Backcountry/Sidecountry.

The split is a 2012 Never Summer SL 163W, I like the duck stance so I can ride and land switch when hitting jumps. My other boards have 15 and -10 stance angle the pictures make it look like the back is 0.

The last board is a Burton Nug 154 with Cartel Bindings have been riding Burton since 1990 my first Burton was a Asym Air after riding Kemper and Sims Boards. This year was the first year I tried a different brand as a resort board "might be converted" to K2.

By the way can't believe Craig's death was 17 years ago time flies he was a Legend, and yes I looked up to him as well and the likes of Shaun Farmer, Jamie Lynn, Tom Burt, Jeff Brushie and of course Terje.

Where is that photo where you are fixing what looks like a rope tow, the back mountain looks pretty unstable however the foreground looks nice for a few lines.

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wellymon Saturday, 26 Sep 2015 at 7:25pm
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They are foldable touring skis for boarding http://www.mtnapproach.com/index.php I can take these on the plane, as taking my split to Japan with the other two boards is too heavy. Also the MTNApproach System is quicker that split board transition due to permanent skins.

Yeah that looks like a great system, skinning is the bomb, way better than post holing it or snowshoes.
I did my tendon in my hip ages back post holing in deep pow with snowshoes in the backcountry off TC before the new lifts were constructed?
4-5 runs in a day fresh goods ,walking back to the lift when no one knew a thing about freshies beyond the lift access.
I have had one of the first splits designed by Burton probably around mid late 90's , Voile set up binding plates etc, pretty cool but never liked the board so to speak, it was great in mellow terrain with freshies but when it got steep and serious I was never comfortable.
I believe its important to take on steep gnarly life threatening terrain with a board your comfortable with just like surfing;)
Will look into this system for the future, how long are those touring skis, can you mount any binding on ie like the Cartels??????????? x2 outside connections?

Just as a side note myself and Craig Kelly helped design the "Super Model " style of boards in the mid 90's which I believe started the big mtn WWM movement as it is called today.

I will let you read and take things in, more so to give me some of your import, questions are the best things in life.

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As well as the FEELING in deep pow?Please comment would love to know someone else's fellings when it gets deep;)
Cheers
As always I Say Big turns and huge Face shots... :-)

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freebordnig Saturday, 26 Sep 2015 at 10:14pm

I had a look again at the One Eye System comment not sure what this actually means, you will have to tell me. I know it relates to trees which is my most enjoyable riding as your adrenaline is always pumping not to hit those trees "too hard" have hit any in my time. I won't let anybody ride with me without a helmet in trees, the YES 420 has been such a great board in trees it turns so quick and fast ridding trees is even more dangerous however I love the challenge.

The feeling in Deep Snow is unquestionably the best feeling and do I like big open faces or being in the trees both have there place and benefits, you just got to have the quiver for the conditions. I do like the Gentem boards on super deep days as they float so well compared to anything else I have rode and it's really surf style on swallow boards, they just seem to snap out of turns better than a round tail board, and you can avoid so many face shots. The YES Boards do sink more than the Gentem however still float well just different and yes more face shots which offers the challenge of coming through the puff before you line up for you next turn without hitting a tree, such and amazing feeling, would not like the alternative hitting a tree.

The MTNAproach Skis have built in bindings you just strap in put your board on the pack and off you go, and you have your favourite solid board ready to ride anywhere. the skies are very short just have a look at the website for all the info, i pick my set up for $500 on US Ebay this year.

How good is TC was there many years back it's a great mountain, went heli boarding at Mt Aspring which was a good day out 7 runs, pitty the guide was so cautious I guess that's there job "don't want to get buried" I just wanted to go and ride as a group instead of single file.

Is that place where you have the photo a NZ club field "Olympus maybe"?

Would have been great to meet Craig Kelly you are very lucky I think i was riding Burton Canyons in that period.

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wellymon Saturday, 26 Sep 2015 at 7:41pm
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The last board is a Burton Nug 154 with Cartel Bindings have been riding Burton since 1990 my first Burton was a Asym Air after riding Kemper and Sims Boards. This year was the first year I tried a different brand as a resort board "might be converted" to K2.

Why K2 fb?
Do you like the Cartel binding set up with the channel system channel, I do .. :-)

Asym Air......?
Classic stuff.
Reckon Burton are still making them?

Is this it fb?

They are champ? latest phot from a great friend and one of Burtons best board engineers since day doT
Are these them, I remember them but never had enough coin at the time to buy one as the dole at the time gave us enough for a season pass, petrol and some food;)...

Whats that Nug like, JG my make designed it and it looks like a cool funky board, like in tree lines which are steep. jamming the turns in????

Peace and fluffy land.

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freebordnig Saturday, 26 Sep 2015 at 10:20pm

Looks like the Abysm Air is coming back will have to get one next year. Why K2 they are they one behind the WWM so I had to try something different and the Carveair is a good ride nice to ride camber again.
The Nug is awesome so playful due to rocker goes unreal in trees and park it's a fun the board just doesn't have high speed stability. It rides switch so well. I do like cartels have been a great binding, also ride the Genesis which I like better super comfy. Burton bindings are so solid they just last and are so reliable.

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wellymon Saturday, 26 Sep 2015 at 7:53pm
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By the way can't believe Craig's death was 17 years ago time flies he was a Legend, and yes I looked up to him as well and the likes of Shaun Farmer, Jamie Lynn, Tom Burt, Jeff Brushie and of course Terje.

CK... without a doubt was the guru,Yeah he was a cool guy for sure:)
ridden with many a fuckwit PRO WANKER, getting paid for to ride???

Hung with Jeremy J in Wanaka for a little doing the Rip Curl Heli shit Wank Wank;)

He is so cool.

I love his vision of backcountry steep shit.
WOW HE HAS BEEN BLOWING ME AWAY FOR YEARS,
BUT Watch out things especially the mountains will catch up one day when least expected.

Take care fb and go with your gut instinct.........
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wellymon Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 7:18pm
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Where is that photo where you are fixing what looks like a rope tow, the back mountain looks pretty unstable however the foreground looks nice for a few lines.

A secret fb sorry;) Close to Olympus but much further.. :-) Nut cracker only for real riders that can handle it after every run.
The back mtn! that photo was 3 days after a storm and stable as, everything had released during the storm and the snowpack was consolidated enough to ride some nice lines.
Its really not as steep as it looks tho, some nice lines in there tho eh?????

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freebordnig Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 9:55pm

I might have to take a trip over next year, you can blindfold me if we catch up. I did enjoy my one trip to NZ however did miss the trees however would love to ride many of the chutes on offer. Definitely some nice lines on that back mountain lets go. Hey whatever happened to that mountain that i think closed in NZ that you would heli into and then either choose to take the cat or Helicopter and i think you could stay there as well?
On the tree thing you did not get back to me about the One Eye Two Eye thing please explain.

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wellymon Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 6:59pm
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I have the YES 2020 to test out this year. The boards are so quick through the trees compared to any other boards I have ridden in the past.

Do you test boards for YES fb?

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wellymon Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 7:11pm

I'm patriotic towards Burton:)
Have been for years as they were given to me to test and thrash, lucky for me and I know it.

I honestly do believe without their input other board companies would have never known where to start and they all have replicated or stolen ideas from this company who started the dream of WWM?

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freebordnig Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 8:28pm

True and people lay shit on Burton for being the Company they are, they have been very successful and good on them. As my previous posts this year was the first time I have gone to the other side "K2" as my resort board, i did try a Burton Spliff Split just a bit short for me. Also gave the Fish a go many years back in Japan and didn't like it enough I weigh to much so not suited to my weight. My friends joke with me all the time as all my outerwear, street wear, etc is Burton and they say is that Burton "of course". My wife has even gone far enough to say if we had a Boy I would have named him Burton. My daughter rides a Burton 149 Feelgood and a 147 Social with Escapade Binding, Solomon Pillow for Japan.
Lets see what Burton brings out next year don't mind the Skipjack for this year just wish it had a bigger waist.

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freebordnig Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 7:34pm

No I wish i did, my local shop is a YES dealer and they sort me out with the latest boards and I do my little review on them each year, which lots of people like as the riding is done from an above average rider. So every day people can get a good perspective "hopefully".

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wellymon Saturday, 26 Sep 2015 at 1:33am

Shane you have no comment!
Would love to read please.
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shane-peel Tuesday, 29 Sep 2015 at 6:17pm

Hey Wellymon,
What would you like to know mate? Sorry I have been offline having a surf and a couple days off. Fire away!

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wellymon Wednesday, 30 Sep 2015 at 10:19am

Hi Shane cool that you're finally commenting, my apologies I thought mum/wife had hidden your phone or turned off the internet connection;)
Never got to watch the movie which looks great by the way, are there many days from the footage which are clear blue or are they mainly snowed in footage? Seems the bluebird days are hard to come by over there, or is it more the end of season weather where the days brighten up!
What your favourite field over there! ;-)00

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shane-peel Thursday, 1 Oct 2015 at 8:14am

Hey Wellymon,
Because we shot across two full seasons there is a bunch of clear days probably more than any other Hokkaido film. We start the film with nearly 11 minutes across two sequences that show winter arriving with lots of non- snowboarding that includes a whole bunch of surfing too. Bluebird days seem to be more common and in Feb there is heaps but yeah most of the time it's snowing and while this may seem weird we get lots of sunny days with snow falling. Favorite field is a tough one they are all epic in Dec before Xmass as there is nobody around. I like Higashiyama as that's where my house is but all the Niseko resorts are pretty good and probably some of the best resort accessed BC pow on the planet.

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zenagain Saturday, 26 Sep 2015 at 9:42pm

Welly, if you're ever inclined to come to Japan get my details from SN and I'll show you some areas that see very few round-eyes. And mid-week the places I go to are almost deserted, it's almost eery. Craig can vouch for that.

I'm into my tenth year as a boarder (used to ski) and find I just get more addicted to snowboarding every year.

By the way guys, loving the chit chat. Awesome!

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freebordnig Saturday, 26 Sep 2015 at 10:27pm

Hey Zen what about me I started going to Japan in 2000 and saw two other round eye's "NZ Guys" and that was it believe it or not it was Niseko. I have moved on to a new place which is now getting invaded fortunately i still know the spots where others don't go so i still get fresh lines. It will probably be my last year at that resort time to move on, lets catch up in 2017? I am doing another trip in January there hopefully the guides and air bag crew stay at Niseko.

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zenagain Saturday, 26 Sep 2015 at 11:03pm

Freebie, I'd be keen to get something like that happening. There's a little core group of likeminded Swellnetters on here so when the Northern Hemisphere snowseason forum picks up speed, keep an eye on that. Craig the SN forecaster has joined me locally for the last couple of years and will probably do so again.

I went to Niseko last about 6 years ago and it was pretty busy then but still easy to get away from the hordes. I was supposed to go last season but tore my MCL and missed that trip and the first half of the season. I'm gonna have another go this February. Mate who lives up there (owns Niseko car rental) says the place is getting more mental each year especially with the influx of Chinese money. But, same aound Hakuba, Shiga, Nozawa, Yuzawa, years ago very few gaijins there but now more foreigners hit those places up. Still, plenty for everyone though. Lot of untouched in Hokkaido too but I reckon Niseko takes the most of it because of the infrastructure and the fact that English is widely spoken.

I'm always looking for somewhere new- on Honshu plenty of untouched in Gunma, Tochigi, Fukushima, Yamagata, just need wheels and a bit of language ability and you're set.

PS Smokin' waves here in winter too. Best of both worlds:)

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freebordnig Saturday, 26 Sep 2015 at 11:25pm

Here are is a few reviews i have done for the past few years, my mates own Deep Powder Tours who were one of the first to set up in Japan with likes of Snowave who i think got bought out by Ski Japan who have made Niseko mental. Yes shittloads of Chinese now lucky they don't really go off piste. They are taking over the Australian ski fields as well, funny that the Japanese don't like them.


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zenagain Saturday, 26 Sep 2015 at 11:51pm

Sweet man! Beautiful.

I've got heaps of similar footage just never really put it together and edited it. I've got a couple of youtube vids under my user name but no powder stuff and all on piste. I'll have to get some proper video editing software and get it happening.

I'm a mate (aquaintance) of your mates competitor and he's doing his best to open up our area. I usually bump into him once or twice a season. I can't say I love what he's doing but it's inevitable, I just hope it doesn't go the way of Niseko.

Agree, there's no love lost between the Japanese and the Chinese that's for sure:)

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freebordnig Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 12:17am

Kurodake is somewhere I want to go apparently doesn't open until February a bit like Valdez of Japan offers big mountain riding with consequences. I net a few guys last year who wanted to take me to Siki Onsen just never been to Honshu only for business with Kyocera and Toshiba.

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wellymon Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 1:26pm

fb are you Shane Peel?

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freebordnig Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 8:17pm

Classic, i wish i was he got a good lifestyle going on I'll take that Telos Island Resort anyday, still like snowboarding better than surfing, and I live at the beach. I guess you always want something you can't have so readilly.

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wellymon Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 8:46pm

Respect fb.

Yeah I understand, I'm the same with the two sports, SB = more riding time + feeling = Riding with love.
Surfing in the last 15 years has got out of control, less riding time + more people= aggro.

I believe, enjoy what you have and appreciate what you don't have.

Shane are you there, it seems weird to me as a person who has been interviewed on SN and you yourself has not one comment.....! No internet! Mums turned ya computer off, she's stolen your phone so you can't comment? Geez Shane come on mate.
You are the WWM ?

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shane-peel Tuesday, 29 Sep 2015 at 6:30pm

What do you want to know brother just fire away I'll be on and off across the next couple days. Did any of you snow maniacs make it to a screening?

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away Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 10:34pm

I was interested to see the comment about giving up skating for snowboarding. I think I have been forced in the other direction this year. I hit some concrete pretty hard a little while ago and I think I will be missing out on this snow season unfortunately.

I have thought about ditching the skateboard as I am in my 30s now and don`t bounce like I used to. But snow is only part of the year and requires a bit of effort and money to get to. The road is everywhere and I have a lot of ramps and bowls around here to burn off the big city stress all year round. If I didnt skate what would I do... take the train for two hours to surf sloppy crowded Chiba? Drink beer in the skatepark and not skate? Pachinko? Tentacle porn?

Still, I will be hyping all over this year`s snow season thread. I don`t think we started the snow talk until later October or early November... Except for Zen and Welly, they are always frothing snow all year round. Seems to have kicked off early this year!

I must say there is just a tinge of Autumn in the air here in Tokyo early mornings.

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zenagain Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 11:20pm

Hey man, gteat to hear from you.

We've had week after week of swell. Iffy winds but we've picked the eyes out of it. Got smokin' beachie waves today, overhead and heaps of power.

Yep summer has turned the corner, wore a fullsuit for the first time today, water still warm though but definitely a tinge of coldness to it. Won't be long now, amped for this season as I was out of action for half of the last one.

Hope you can get up there yourself.

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wellymon Monday, 28 Sep 2015 at 11:01pm
away wrote:

I don`t think we started the snow talk until later October or early November... Except for Zen and Welly, they are always frothing snow all year round. Seems to have kicked off early this year!

Its Craig's fault, he's got the bug of pow pow and back country untracked turns that you have to work hard for to appreciate;)

fb forget the one eye thing I was just being cheeky about my literature.
But hey it makes sense when you look outside of the square.

Still disappointed about Shane 's realm of the WWM!, I suppose tho when you develop a surf camp you would call it B/GWM;).

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freebordnig Tuesday, 29 Sep 2015 at 7:39pm

Thanks Welly, I thought the eye thing was a but out there and outside the square. "Away" wrote about you guys frothing I am always frothing just finished my season last week, now frothing about Japan in January/Feb.
So back to surfing now where I am frothing with my new Lost Puddle Jumper have been on it for the past few days a good summer board if you are looking to battle those Goldy crowds. By the way Welly notice you have one of Gary's boards, he has made me a few boards over the past five years as he was with a good mate of mine who owns Formula Energy.

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away Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 10:36pm

I thought the snow surf stuff looked rad by the way.

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boarder Tuesday, 29 Sep 2015 at 12:36am

I thought Snow Surfing was just that, surfing the snow withoutbindings. No bindings needed to surf. Dont get me wrong, what they have going on is awesome, but really bindings are not needed for that style of riding in that snow and terrain. just my take on it.

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shane-peel Tuesday, 29 Sep 2015 at 6:32pm

Hey boarder you are kinda right and there is a tight crew that are killing it strapless. They call it noboarding and snowsurfing. Check out the rad stuff The Euro's are doin with Asimos.

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wellymon Wednesday, 30 Sep 2015 at 9:59am

'boarder' is not kinda right he's 100% correct.
Trust me Shane he knows all about them and much more than any of us .
Great post 'boarder' cheers for that;)

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freebordnig Tuesday, 29 Sep 2015 at 8:27pm

That's right there is a crew that noboard in Hokkaido and have been on it for a while like Atsushi Gomyo, I saw him ride back in 2009 and have been thinking about it since nearly got a Jones Mountain Surfer last year.
Say hello to Par for me he guided me back in 2000 when he was a skier " I was a boarder" and he was working for Deep powder Tours, he must have seen the light.
Did not see the movie waiting for it to be available to purchase, unfortunately I am 1hr North of Sydney.

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wellymon Wednesday, 30 Sep 2015 at 8:33pm

Hi Shane, been thinking about your comments from the questions asked by Stu.
Does Stu snowboard! Specially the history behind this similar riding realm.
Why did you comment that snowboarding is not like surfing and surfing the snow has only been around for the last 15 years due to older blokes?
Kinda of interesting IMO.
Cheers.

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shane-peel Thursday, 1 Oct 2015 at 8:18am

I was talking specifically about the crew who are the subject of my film mate. As with everything there are lots of different little pockets that have been doin it forever. Taro and these guys have been headed down the Snowsurf style path for 35 years I guess. Welly this film is not some be all and end all definitive document that is setting out to record a specific slice of snowboard history, it's about the NOW and right now the foremost proponents of the snowsurf style of snowboarding are based in Niseko Japan …IMO.