Softboards Grow A Spine

More than just surf nerf, softboards are hardening up

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By Stu Nettle (stunet)

Softboards Grow A Spine

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Stu Nettle (stunet)
Swellnet Dispatch

This is not an advertorial, an infomercial, or instructional brochure.

I have no idea what motivated the following or where the curiosity came from, but it started in the surf shop downstairs from where I work. There I ran my fingers up and down the rails of the boards standing vertically in the racks. Lightly grasped and squeezed them, felt the rail curve and rocker, took two steps and repeated the process unthinkingly. Tyre kicking by braille. A lifetime habit.

I came to a stop, my reverie broken, when I felt a texture in the rail I was caressing. By shape it was similar to every other - lowish rail, probably heading towards a tucked under edge near the tail - yet this wasn’t smooth fibreglass my hands were running over. It was a softboard.

Instinct made me squeeze it. The rail deformed slightly under my fingers but then it wouldn’t sink any further. My fingers were stopped by something solid underneath the foam. An unseen endoskeleton. There was something hard inside this softboard. Then, when I picked it up and put it under my arm, I realised it was unlike any softboard I’d ever held. It was weighted like a normal shortboard, had rocker like one too, and when I spun it over, lo and behold, it even had subtle bottom curves - in this case a single concave running into a double.

Call it a slow news week but I couldn’t stop thinking about that hard softboard.

A lineup of '70s foamies (Museum of Surf)

Softboards have been around longer than the Thruster. In the ‘70s you could buy an EPS foamie with every family-size bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken, the Colonel's goateed face stamped on the deck, Hanimex toys licensed Midget Farrelly’s name for a range of mesh-covered coolites, and never one to miss a trend, Shane Stedman launched his Aquarius foamies into the burgeoning learner market.

A decade later, however, Tom Morey’s boogie board became the learner vehicle of choice and the froth went out of foamies. Like softboards, a learner could progress on a boogieboard without fear of injury to themselves or others. 

Five or so years ago, softboards began to reappear on the beaches. Unlike the ‘70s and ‘80s, however, it wasn’t just learners powering the softboard resurgence. The most obvious players in the market - as much by graphics as popularity - were Catch Surf in the USA and Drag here in Australia. Each company was pulling the rug from under surfing’s seriousness. If surfers had lost sight of their original motives, the very reason they started riding waves, Catch Surf and Drag had the craft (and marketing campaigns) to correct the course. Each company makes bulbous EPS foamies, reinforced with a stringer and covered in PVA that’s brightly coloured or emblazoned with graphics. Performance is way down the list of priorities.

“I just like going really fast in a straight line,” says Chris James from Drag when I call him up. The last time I surfed with Chris, Sandon Point was ten feet and he was the only person out. As I paddled towards the lineup he stroked into a set, then swung his legs under him and laid on his back for an XL coffin ride. He went really fast, in a straight line, on a ten foot wave, while riding a foamie. A point well made.

Drag make softboards in the traditional style - slab of EPS, maybe a stringer, no fibreglass - and when I asked Chris about companies making high performance softboards he had a chuckle. “I don’t know what they’re thinking,” says Chris, and I could understand why he’s bemused. To him, softboards put the fun back into what’s become a painfully serious sport, yet here come the stiffs, and they’re missing the point yet again.

I wanted to hear from shapers who’ve waded into the softboard market, so I called and emailed all I knew. None replied, even after multiple attempts. In contrast, when I sent an email to George Arzente, the founder of Catch Surf, his reply was in my inbox twenty minutes later. George has been making his Catch Surf foamies since 2008. The first models were known as The Y Boards, as they were made in collaboration with Tom Morey who was then, like Prince and his love symbol, known simply by the moniker ‘Y’.

The Y Boards - there were two models, The One and The Super One - were slabs of PVA foam, stiffened with parabolic rails, but as with all bodyboards, they were meant to bend and flex with the wave. Subsequent models - such as The Beater, so called because it beat the blackball restrictions on California beaches - were similarly soft and pliable. Arzente has no interest in making a stiffer softboard: “Our boards are truly soft foam construction. We prefer the balance of performance and safety of our boards.”

Sanctum Surfboards are located on the Northern Beaches of Sydney and make fibreglass boards both short and long. They also make softboards that are cut on a computer shaper, then wrapped with resin and glass, and topped with EVA foam. In short, they’re softboards that are hard.

“Our softboards have two layers of six ounce on top and one on the bottom,” says James when I called. “And they have a 50mm lap.” For those who don’t know, that’s not an not-insignificant structure for craft that’s often considered disposable. Was this so their ‘softboards’ can slip into their normal production line, I asked James, knowing they made their fibreglass boards in Mona Vale.

“No, all our softboards are made in China,” replied James. “Everyone’s are. If we were to make them here they’d cost more than a standard fibreglass board.”

If you’re yet to pick up a modern softboard, allow me to describe the construction - it might also explain why I’m making such a fuss about foamies. A blank of EPS foam is cut then glued back together with a stringer intact before it’s placed on a computer shaper where the cutting heads rout the complex concaves and curves. Next it goes through the laminating room, some companies using one layer of fibreglass top and bottom, others using two layers on top and one on the bottom. Holes are routed to add fin systems. Every board uses epoxy resin as it’s the only kind that works with EPS foam.

At this point the product looks and feels very much like a regulation surfboard, and that’s the point: Underneath that PVA foam and slick bottom is a regular board. The extra work, and hence cost, comes into it when the outer materials have to be glued. To the top a sheet of PVA foam and cushioning, and to the bottom a slick surface. The exact construction changes from company to company but that’s the gist of it: a regular EPS/epoxy board hidden under a PVA skin.

Not your average foamie: This cutaway graphic shows the internals of the modern hard softboard (Softech)

I’m not sure that anyone’s ever traced the development of hard softboards before, yet that’s what I did, researching my way back to a Japanese company called Water Rampage who, in 2010, released a series of EPS/epoxy boards wrapped in a PVA skin. Unfortunately, the language barrier prevented me from finding out exactly what Water Rampage’s motives were: To surf in the flags? Stop injuries? Or did they just think it performed better?

If it’s the latter, they’re not alone. “Our boards are not aimed at the beginner market,” says an emphatic Scott Norby from Spacestick - a company with factories in both Oregon and Hawaii. Scott, or his partner Jim Richardson who shapes under the Surflight label, have made boards for Occy, Ross Williams, Pato Teixera, and apparently Kelly has just ordered a few.

Spacestick, and also Surflight, take the aforementioned construction and push it to the extreme, using basalt fibre, adjusting the layers to adjust the flex, wrapping the shell in foam, and then wrapping the foam with a clear, tough membrane. Though I’ve only seen videos, the soft outer foam appears to sink about 5mm before hitting the inner shell.

The boards will soak up excess surface chatter, they’re easy to grip, and, according to Scott, they “outlast typical hard shell glass boards.” He makes the point about durability many times, however, it’s balanced by another factor: cost. “Our boards actually cost more than a glass board,” admits Scott. “They require more hours and more material.”

Because of this, “shapers and companies hesitate to jump into the development game,” says Scott. He is, however, getting traction elsewhere. “The alternative surf markets are more open to new ideas,” says Scott explaining why they started making surfboards but have since branched into foil boards.

Between Scott, Chris, James, and George, I had willing advocates for their own line of softboards, yet despite repeated efforts, I had no luck contacting any of the shapers dipping their toe in the softboard market.

“What do you expect them to do?” asked an incredulous colleague when I mentioned it to him.

“It doesn’t matter that they’re epoxy inside, softboards aren’t core. The shapers won’t reply because their reputations are at stake.”

It’s true that Catch Surf and Drag know exactly who their customers are and what they stand for. No problems of confidence there. Most of the others appear caught in a limbo unsure of exactly how they should market their boards. Who’s going to buy a softboard that costs almost as much as a fibreglass board? Why would they buy it? And also, where would they ride it?

Mick Fanning and Mark Mathews started up Mick Fanning Softboards in 2017, largely marketing themselves at the beginner market, though they give a nod and a wink to the parents that buy them. Approximately half their range are EPS wrapped in epoxy laminate.

“A bunch of local dads had been coming up to me saying how they had to buy their groms a softboard because I had been using them,” said Mark in a 2017 interview with Red Bull, “and when they'd get them they just didn't go good. That got me interested in creating a softboard that performed well.”

In the same interview, Mick muses on how much safer Snapper would be if people were riding these ‘softer’ boards. That’s useful as a thought exercise: Imagining a world where surfers at hyper-crowded waves such as Noosa, Snapper, The Pass, and Malibu are forced to ride softboards - albeit high-performance softboards.

As it stands, there are only limited reasons why anyone would be forced to ride a hard softboard, but before we discuss them I needed to settle my own curiousity about how they ride. Two days after I placed an order, a cardboard box landed on my verandah. From the box I pulled a 6’0” Felipe Toledo signature model from Softech. First impressions are that, with a squint of the eyes, it doesn’t look unlike the old KFC coolites with a white deck and red graphics. 

Softboards ain't softboards. The latest models are built similar to other fibreglass boards so they can handle the forces surfers such as Felipe apply (Softech)

The shape is like a classic summer groveller with a full planshape, and like all modern softies it has a round-ish nose - which is needed to glue the flat sheet of PVA to the fibreglass underneath. In profile, however, it’s a more stealth bit of kit with a gentle but continuous rocker and 50/50 rails rolling into a tucked under edge. I’m being generous using the rail feature popularised by Gordon Merchant when in reality this ‘tucked under edge’ is just the seam between the PVA and the bottom slick. Though it’s perceptible, it’s far less noticeable than the nearly square edges in many other softboards. I even wondered if I might be able to sand it off.

Though it had more foam than I would’ve liked, there was no apparent flex while loading it up, so the board always kept its speed. In fact, and here’s what I was most curious about, it even performed like a modern board lifting off its concave for bouts of drive and acceleration. Underneath it had a deep single concave fading out to a flat behind the fins - which was a Thruster set up with FCS plugs. While checking the concave, the thought hit me that, if I were to knock a fin box, this wouldn’t be easy to fix or seal.

The board rode with the same buoyancy and chirpiness I find in all EPS/epoxy mixes, and I wondered again about the merits of foam dampening - as per Scott Norby's Spacestick boards - to stop chatter on a choppy day. Aside from the excess foam, the board rode better than I expected. A little delayed going rail to rail given the width - it’s a groveller after all - but otherwise impressive. Enough to have me wishing it was a quad and not a Thruster (Sidebar: Shouldn’t all grovellers be twins or quads? If you want lateral speed, lose the rear fin handbrake)

On my last surf, I came in and had a chat with the lifeguards on the beach, asking them their rules on softboards in the flags - surfing in the flags being one of the major advantages of softboards. “We take it on a case by case basis,” said the unnamed clubbie. “You can surf that board in the flags provided there’s no-one else there, but when people swim out you’d probably be asked to move on.” Surprisingly, or perhaps not as he was obviously a surfer, he knew the board I was riding had a hard shell underneath the innocent outer cover.

Other council areas are far less permissive. When I asked the same question to Joshua Hay from Randwick Council he said “our lifeguards are aware of the new soft boards which have the thin foam covering. These boards are not permitted within the flagged swimming area of our beaches. Lifeguards will move on board riders they see.”

Just north of Randwick is Waverley Council, which includes a few beaches I’d thought were softboard-friendly. However, their rules are even more rigid: “Waverley Council allows all softboards anywhere along Bondi, Bronte, and Tamarama beaches except between the red and yellow flags,” said a Council spokesperson when I asked.

So the one-time advantage of softboards, to beat the beach restrictions, no longer applies at some city beaches. The constraints don’t appear to be harming trade with a plethora of softboard companies hitting the market. By and large, they’re true softboards, EPS and foam, designed to bounce like a nerf ball off other objects, but increasingly they’re a fibreglass wolf disguised under a sheep’s skin of foam.

I’m heading on a surf trip in a few week’s time and I’m now wondering if I’ll take the softboard. It rides well enough, possibly better than my usual grovellers, but with the added bonus of feeling different. Under my hands, beneath my chest, while standing on it, it’s a different sensation. I wonder, however, what the response from other surfers would be when I pull a softboard from my board bag. Shapers aren’t the only ones worried about their reputations.

// STU NETTLE

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channel-bottom Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 3:56pm

My thoughts on softies are don't get a shape that's too similar to a shortboard, just get a shortboard.

I read this line though "possibly better than my usual grovellers" and was a bit surprised. While they are fun, yet to find one that i didn't wish was fibreglass.

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Le_Reynard Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 4:18pm

Great for pulling into closeouts/sucky shories. The extra bouyancy gets you in earlier. That's my use-case, been using for years and I love mine. When there's actual waves I go back to proper boards...

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vbabin Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 10:39pm

Fully, I do Exactly the same, theyre also fun for small weak surf or high tide session

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savanova Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 4:18pm

I seem to remember reading Kelly's opinion on boogy boards " there like fat chick's fun to ride but you don't tell anyone about it ". Wonder if he has same thoughts about soft tops.

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stunet Monday, 19 Dec 2022 at 1:13pm

From all reports he's ordered a bunch of them from Spacesticks. Not true softies, but fully glassed underneath and wrapped in soft foam.

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udo Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 4:42pm

These are Pricey....800AuD for the Twinnie

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Hastoes Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 5:42pm

Just got a secondhand "hard" foamy for my 12 year old. He's been riding a 7ft foam thing for a few years now and I was struggling to find a transition board for him. Just in the last few months he's been able to catch waves consistently without assistance . Got kinda a mid length for him , a 6'4 softech board aptly named "The Middle". Looks sick, feels good. Xmas pressie so have to wait another week to see if she goes good.

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garry-weed Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 6:24pm

The 'hi performance ' soft tops are a mystery to me. I liked the old ,short , thick, wide, low-rockered ones, which suited our flat gutless waves.

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booman Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 7:21pm

Contact adhesive gluing a layer of cheap 5mm straight on foam vs hot coat, sand, sand and more sanding. Economics

Great for leg chaffe some of this foam!

Smashed in the head with a soft hardboard - Ouch mummy you said it was safer.

I really rate real softboards, way better than longboards IMO fro paddling and wave catching. JOB shows what. is in theory possible very well! Don't like a wobbly rocker though - stringers all the way!

The End.

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PeteWebb Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 10:30pm

Having a blast riding my Hypto krypto softboard which doesn't need wax or give you a rash. Got that damped feeling already discussed. When surfing it its easy to forget its a softboard however its not as responsive as s FF Hypto but its still goes very well. Other softboards I have ridden you are constantly aware you are riding a softy.

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agibbo Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 11:23pm

I have a JS softboard, a soft version of the "Big Baron". It's 7'0" and I ride it as a twinnie with Mick Fanning fins ... and it goes unreal - I often choose to ride it over my various other boards. It's a lot of fun and despite the length and the fact that it's a softboard, it's still easy to throw around and do reasonably proper turns on. I love it!

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udo Saturday, 17 Dec 2022 at 12:34pm
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regularfoot Saturday, 17 Dec 2022 at 2:32pm

I'm totally a short performance board guy, but as part of an injury / surgery recovery (pulled all the Hamstrings off my pelvis) I was on a 7'4" Hank Dude Ryd (3 fin) thing while rehabilitating.
Loved it!!! - even took it out to my favourite point break during a decent swell.
I even managed to snap one.
I still keep it and take it out every so often.
It's never gonna carve like a 5'10", but it catches so many waves and I can still turn and style on it.

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anthony.olsen Sunday, 18 Dec 2022 at 10:10am

I got a misfits dope machine softie for the pool down here in Melbourne.
Surfed it with keels and it was a total blast on the intermediate setting.

At 5'6 it is pretty short stubby, wide and super fast. But I found the rails a bit lacking on anything other than the intermediate wave. On the advanced setting, the rails couldn't quite grab when I needed it to.

I ended up grabbing a $30 Tomo Evo off marketplace that does the trick and it doesn't matter s much if it hits the wall. The newer soft boards look like they have better bottom contours and rails but for me nothing replaces the feel of a proper board.

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Iced vovo Sunday, 18 Dec 2022 at 8:07pm

I learnt to surf on a KFC board, nipple rash is real

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slowman Monday, 19 Dec 2022 at 12:18pm

I've had a few foamies over the years for grovel days and the best I have found are the hybrid ones where they are hard bottom (fibreglass/epoxy/resin) with a soft top. My first was a MacTavish 7'8 someone had put out for the council cleanup just around the corner from me (bloke hadn't lived there for years and the missus must have got sick of looking at it). I still have it, it is a lot of fun and can turn knee high waves into real fun because of its trim and glide. All texture deck means no wax required. I've experimented with a few (1) 6'0 Q&E Ezirider - only good for weak grovel stuff, any thing with power and it slides out (2) O&E 5'8 like the MR twin but a thruster - good groveller but can handle maybe up to chest high but not with any power, it starts to slide out (3) 6'0 HS HyptoKrypto softy - again the rails are not hard enough literally and shapewise to really generate drive out of turns. I've ridden it in overhead surf and it just doesn't perform, even as a groveler it is nothing that special (4) TBSW Bom Bora 51 - fibreglass epoxy with a soft top, this thing goes pretty good and actually has a nice edge where the soft top rolls over to meet the hard bottom and allows some rail drive to generate speed out of turns, still it's best for groveling, it's still going to slide out on anything with real power but at least there is some wiggle room if it is not as small as you thought it was going to be. This will be my last attempt at finding a decent softy. I haven't tried one of these Spacestiks but I believe the HS HK softy is a similar concept and it's still just a softy and performs like one, maybe one of the better ones. I won't be buying any more softies, they all lack the drive off the rail of a real surfboard.

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stunet Monday, 19 Dec 2022 at 12:45pm

Gotta admit your dedication to the form, Slowman.

I thought I was obsessing over softies but you've gone far above and beyond.

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slowman Tuesday, 20 Dec 2022 at 10:02am

Like all things I do Stu... done to excess :-) not always success.

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PeteWebb Tuesday, 27 Dec 2022 at 5:10pm

@Slowman the Hypto you had was it the one with the speckled white deck with black rails? The Hypto softies I have ridden are the most recent ones that they do in dust, kahki and black colours and have no trouble with drive. Sure they have that damped feeling of a softy but I rode mine in fun overhead point waves the first time on it and had a blast. Wonder if it was the different model that made the difference?

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slowman Tuesday, 27 Dec 2022 at 9:06pm

@PeteWebb, yes that's the one. It is a future flex in soft material. The others are not FF but might be better. I've seen the later ones, though only the Loot model. The rails on the FF soft are like woven fabric and I suspect along with the softness this is creating some drag and not helping it bite. Wish I'd bought the other now, cheaper too by $200! No, I'm done with softboards!

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freeride76 Monday, 19 Dec 2022 at 12:55pm

I've got a 6'0" Fanning Beastie, which was a really fun board to ride in absolute slop, or crowded Pass.
And worked as a rehab board when I was belly bogging in the white water.

Was dismayed to find, that the bottom has now split and is sucking in water.

Any fixes, or is this a landfill job?

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stunet Monday, 19 Dec 2022 at 1:10pm

The Beastie has a glass layer underneath, yeah?

Can you whack a layer of matting over the split?

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freeride76 Monday, 19 Dec 2022 at 1:37pm

it has a "HDPE bottom skin creating a true soft surface"

Will matting and resin bond with HDPE?

Anyone know?

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stunet Monday, 19 Dec 2022 at 1:41pm

I think most have the HDPE outer, but does it have a layer of fibreglass covering the blank? If it does, then peel back the HDPE enough to give you access and mix a batch of epoxy and seal it with matting.

When dry, glue the HDPE back down.

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slowman Tuesday, 20 Dec 2022 at 6:32am

Bog it up with some Shoe Goo, it sticks to everything and you can sand and file the excess back.

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freeride76 Tuesday, 20 Dec 2022 at 7:15am

Might try that.

Youtube said 60sec epoxy will work.

No way am I peeling the HDPE layer back to reveal the inner gizzards.

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Craig Tuesday, 20 Dec 2022 at 8:59am

Inner gizzards, ha!

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udo Monday, 19 Dec 2022 at 2:00pm

utube

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Beats Monday, 19 Dec 2022 at 3:23pm

Love the 70s foamie photo! My first board was the midget with racing stripes aged 7 - the noises that thing made when skin rubbed against was unbelievable. Next was the Hanimex blue board until the blue cover detached. Kooks rode a KFC board! 40 plus years of surfing fiberglass boards, got the shits one day with my (lack) of performance on a 6"4 bought a 7'0 O&E softy put some real fins in and have loved it. Speak to others in the surf on similar boards and we grin to one another like a guilty pleasure and say yeah but its fun....... isnt that what its all about? Surfed it up 6 foot, cant hit a lip, difficult in tube and steep take offs but I am king of the roundhouse with rebound (although this has never been proven or stated by anyone else) Enjoy the ride people ..........

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S'Bo Wednesday, 21 Dec 2022 at 8:05am

Have gone through a load of HP softies over the past few years (Modom, MF, Surftech), so much so I probably surf a foamie more often than the standard fibreglass. The winner in my mind is the Project Blank, The 6'0" is amazing, though wish they made one in between the 4'10" (too small) and the 6 footer. Can ride it semi like a mal and then throw it around when it gets over 1 foot.

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tiger Wednesday, 21 Dec 2022 at 8:33am

I've made a softy of sorts. A 6'7" mini mal thing, EPS core with veneer bottom, cork deck and EVA foam rails. Was mainly for the kids to play on, but I took it out in 2-3ft beachbreak peaks this morning and had a ball. Caught everything that moved, and even managed a few little barrells. Pretty much felt like a normally constructed board at that shape and size. Potentially just fractionally doughier and delayed for want of better terms.

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astrothewonderdog Thursday, 22 Dec 2022 at 1:02pm

A girl I surf with occasionally gave me a try of her softboard mini-mal. I could not come to terms with the flex in the board during hard paddling onto a wave and while standing up. I ride a 6'3" channeled thruster and the contrast was too great to enjoy.

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stunet Wednesday, 28 Dec 2022 at 7:56am

Been having a ball on my foamie when I can get out. Even been 'tuning' the board. Took some 120 grit to the edge - as dull as it already was - and lightly sanded it so from the nose to the front fins the rails are now rounded from top to bottom. No edge, perfectly smooth.

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spacesticklab Thursday, 29 Dec 2022 at 3:54am

Feel free to email us with any questions

Spacesticks are actually nothing like a foamie

[email protected]

Spacestick’s have hand shaped rails which are firm but soft
The rails are not glassed …and are instead a hand shaped memory foam — wrapped in our 1/8” Cush tech skin

sharp rails - tucked - 50/50 we can do it all

Here is one of Zack Flores hand shaped twin fin fish we just finished skinning

https://youtube.com/shorts/LszXws1AERU?feature=share

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Mindora Thursday, 29 Dec 2022 at 9:14am

It looks good but I can't wrap my head around how the rails can be both shaped by hand AND soft.

How do you shape it by hand? Sanded, molded?

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spacesticklab Friday, 30 Dec 2022 at 4:14am

Hi Mindora
Great question — and yes hand shaped.
The foam can be shaped with typical shaping tools
If we coated it with glass it would defeat the purpose —- so we vacuum a skin over the entire board and it wraps the memory foam rails
Its very hard to imagine— but soft / firm when you squeeze it in your grip

To visualize the hard deck and bottom (like any epoxy board) which is also coated with the Cush skin—- Imagine the steering wheel of a car.
It is stiff —and you trust your life with it— but its coated with a soft grip / skin.

When the steering wheel design adopted a soft shell / skin it never went back for obvious reasons
All surfboards could have a dermal layer of soft protective skin.

Another huge advantage to a soft shell skin is that is NEVER absorbs water like every other soft board design. Cush skin is nothing like EVA or soft top foam. (patented)
Therefore no water ever gets under the skin. So even if the basalt glass under the skin cracks— it would never draw in any water— no delamination due to water intrusion

We know this is revolutionary— But we can only build about 30 boards a month — so we are currently only building customs

send us a CAD file or dimensions - we can CNC or hand shape you a Spacestick

cheers

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Robwilliams Thursday, 29 Dec 2022 at 9:28am

Epoxy resin and matting may eat the polyethylene or polly propylene plastics, someone sacrifice an old bodyboard or softie i think it will eat the foam like epoxy eats polly .

Specific pe and pp glue is avail due to this adhesive problem. Loctite all plastics, selleys also have a product, possibly some heat gun adhesive or builders adhesive may work. You got to prime and clean both surfaces for adhesion to be A+.

Delamination is high in dark boards or boards that are left in the sun, dropped or mistreated, and sometimes the factory construction is poor. Fix them early as possible like surfboards before major delamination eventuates. Sun hammers the rocker, foam and plastics like a old wooden tennis racket. Keep them out of land fill if possible. Kill them riding them, not mistreating or neglecting them.

https://forum.realsurf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2723


https://www.surfertoday.com/bodyboarding/how-to-repair-a-bodyboard

I reckon mistreatment is a major factor of delam. Can cook a board in 5mins on a hot day. Saying this you can also add or remove rocker but it's a risky game playing with plastics heat and memory. Fiber glass is simpler in a way.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/383683549324

Plastics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyethylene
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polypropylene
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionomer

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spacesticklab Friday, 30 Dec 2022 at 4:27am

The Cush skin we vacuum on Spacestick’s is 1/8” and insulates the board — no overheating

Also less, or often no, pressure dents

The skin does not absorb water — Ever

if it is cut or abused / sliced etc it can just be mended with super glue

Its like any other “animal” on the earth Spacestick boards have that dermal layer of skin
The glass under the skin is the bone
The EPS foam blank is the muscle

the fastest animals in the ocean all have a soft dermal skin
Hard shelled animals are the slowest

Nature knows best

Since our Cush skin encapsulates the entire board… it will also not allow any water intrusion… and no water sucking into a ding

Spacestick’s simply do not ding

A Spacestick could be ridden daily and live well over 20 years
Which is why they are more expensive — and comparable to the cost of an all carbon fiber board— yet far superior

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Robwilliams Friday, 30 Dec 2022 at 4:21pm

is that utube spacestick plastic wrapped? Is that the crush skin? Looks far sleeker and a denser skin than the foam i was imagining. Looks a lot more efficient at shedding water. More like fiber glass or a harder but non brittle plastic than a soft or spongy foam. Any more images?

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spacesticklab Saturday, 31 Dec 2022 at 3:06am

its wrapped in a 1/8 foam that has a smooth surface
Much like a steering wheel on a car

send us an email and we can send more photos

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spacesticklab Saturday, 31 Dec 2022 at 5:08am

Zack Flores hand shaped Spacestick
email us for more info and photos
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video
https://youtube.com/shorts/LszXws1AERU?feature=share

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stunet Wednesday, 18 Jan 2023 at 10:57am

One month update on my softboard:

I've had it for two months now, and over the holidays I've been riding it two or three times a week, so it's had some use. Still, I'm surprised to see how quickly it's deteriorated. The soft decking has small gouges, particularly around the nose and tail, there are permanent impressions on the rail from when I tied it, not tightly, to the roof when we went on holidays, and the white plastic seems to attract all manner of stains. Though relatively new it looks like a much older board.

I don't take it anywhere different, nor use it differently, but it gets grubby as hell. I'm wary about using thinners to clean it as I don't know what the plastic reaction might be.

I now realise why all second hand softboards on FB or Gumtree look terrible. The soft surface just doesn't hold up.

That said, the fibreglass underneath is doing its job. During a recent session in 4'-5' below sea level and barely makeable beachie waves I swapped from my standard shorty (the risk of breakage was too much), onto the foamy which was wise. Could get into the waves earlier and wiping out with the board posed less risk.

So all good on the performance front, as long as the shell holds, but the soft plastic outer appears to have a reduced use by date. Not sure how long the companies can keep charging as much as they do. Right now, the price of the average epoxy softboard is a couple hundred off a standard fibreglass shortboard but the lifespan is nowhere near it.

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udo Saturday, 24 Jun 2023 at 9:20am