An Open Letter to the Devout Brazilian Roman Catholic Surfers of the WCT
Hey guys,
Much as I appreciate the shout outs in your post-heat interviews and Instagram posts, it’s time to stop invoking My name and giving Me credit for your competitive success.
First of all, just like every other human that’s ever been on this planet, and any of the thousand or so religions that have been cooked up, you’ve got the whole God thing spectacularly wrong. Every version of Me you’ve dreamed up is pure speculation, every creed, book or scripture written merely a mirror of the time and place they’re written, and doesn’t stand up to any objective measure.
The big fella (God's family archives)
Don’t get me wrong, cocksure globetrotting wave-rider, there’s some top advice in those books, we’re all fans of the decency, love, and forgiveness parts of the Bible and the Quran etc, but there’s no secret, exclusive moral code contained within that can’t be practiced using your basic, garden-variety, secular common sense – treating others how you’d like them to treat you, etc. It’s not rocket science.
And, seriously, there’s some bollocks – supposedly the Word of Me – in these page turners that hasn’t aged well. Whoever wrote the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy had some issues best sorted out with a psychologist, rather than turned into revenge porn. Just for the record, I NEVER told anyone to cut off unfaithful wives’ hands (Deuteronomy 25:11-12) or said I’d force parents to eat their own children as punishment for not listening to me (Leviticus 26:27-30).
What do you take me for? A psychopath?
Believe me when I say, well-to-do master of air and rail game, I told no-one anything of the sort. There are hundreds of such nonsenses I was supposed to have dictated to people over the 1500 years the Bible was cobbled together, but it was all imagined! Yarns repeated often and solemnly enough in a superstitious world to become real. (And yes I’m sticking to the Bible here, ’cos that’s the Supernatural Deity belief system you were born into.)
Look, there may WELL be a Me who conjures and weaves the universe into and out of existence, perhaps I simply AM existence, or the universe, but if there is such a Thing as Me, I bear bugger-all resemblance to any of your (quite frankly hilarious) personifications and imaginings so far.
But I get it, young Latino Firebrand with sticker-laden surfboard, much religious faith comes from perfectly understandable human traits, many of them very sweet. We love our family and friends, the grief we feel when they die is so sharp and painful that we wishful-think heaven into existence, so we can be consoled by imagining a heavenly reunion one day. And certainly, the idea of an afterlife makes it easier for us to contemplate that fearful day we too become a corpse. And so, smart cookies all through human history looking for power and social control have levered these two emotions – love and fear – into different versions of the same fantastic story – do the right thing and the reward of eternal life is yours, misbehave, or be born into a heathen society, and hellfire awaits. I won’t point out the resemblance that such a hell carries with the earthbound volcanic lava that inspired its imagining. And let’s not get started on the idiocy of different subsets of the same supposed faith turning on each other. (Could anything more sharply betray the human origins of religion? FFS)
I want to be clear, oh impressively lithe, bilingual athlete, I’m not against believing in things greater than yourself – in this broad respect, you’re very much on the money – and I’m actually very fond of you, despite your total self-absorption (and you Me-botherers certainly don’t have a monopoly on THAT little trait on tour).
So, for your sake and Mine, let’s stop for a moment and think, together, about what you’re actually saying when you give Me credit for, say, answering your prayers and sending you a heat-winning wave.
First of all. You’re fond of attesting to the power of prayer. It can produce miracles! Infinite Glory! Yes? Yes! You are also, presumably, not oblivious to all the messed-up crap out there. You’re aware of the 80 million people in the world right now who’ve been forced to flee their homes, 25 million of which are refugees. People trapped in lives of misery, boredom and danger, whose various prayers to various Gods (humbly asking just to be able to live at home or whatever) are seemingly not being answered as yours are. What are they doing wrong with this prayer malarkey that you seem to be doing so right? Has your virtuosity on a wave somehow magnified your virtue of prayer, and mysteriously unlocked a clear line of comms to the Divine?
You might argue that giving Me shout outs on Insta and post heat pressers is your way of demonstrating humility, but this is not the case, my tattooed, product-endorsing influencer friend, what it actually says is that you believe you deserve special favour. It makes you look like a Total Cock.
And it makes ME look like a Total Cock, too. Like I’m part of your competitive arsenal, some kind of secret weapon to unleash in clutch moments. To be prayed to as part of the pre-heat routine, acknowledged post-victory, briefly forgotten in a board-smashing post-defeat fury.
The best parts of religion and secular spiritualism are about getting over yourself. Serving others, humility. I won’t have My name attached to this myopic parade. So, stop it. Please.
Religion worked well when humanity was starting to ask questions and figure stuff out. It was understandable that gods were conjured to make sense of floods and famines, natural phenomena, locusts and loss. It was – and still can be – a good set of training wheels for decency and charity.
Dear talented, hardworking, fortunate athlete. You’re not at all a bad person. You’re great! You mean well, and of course you’re welcome to reach out to Me any time. But let’s keep those convos humble, and between us.
Oh, and it’ll serve you well to pray for something other than competitive glory. A real mixed bag of existential lollies awaits your post-singlet days – and if you’re gonna rely on Me to help you navigate that shit, put this nonsense behind you now, quick smart.
//GOD
Comments
Amen!
Seriously that is the and best most common sense article ever written. Thank you for a long awaited and realistic explanation of every religion ever conjured up. and don't get me wrong everyone needs a little belief in something better than them but this is 2022 and people don't levitate to the heavens and so on.
You have to be joking.
The jerk who wrote this article defeated his own basic neg argument by demonstrating how people throughout history, no matter what their nationality, tribe or mob, have reached out to a higher power.
The condescending nature of this shallow tripe is offensive to every person, regardless of belief.
STOP YOUR PREACHING!
Haha Peter !
It’s not offensive at all…
Fark! Is god a jerk ? ;)
Maybe time for a schnapps (fuckwit flavour would suit u best)… and a lie down ;)
You're right. It's not offensive. It's just ignorant!
LOL, absolute recycled ignorant diatribe. Atheist intellectual wanks are deadset the most embarrassing bunch. In their incredible braininess, the idiot that wrote this boring as batshit novel, says something like "Thanking God or Jesus = special favour" No, it simply doesn't, u absolute tard. It means they're thanking God or Jesus for the context, the inner strength, the situation, the challenges that came before that moment, for the gift of life, all that shit, that made the context of trial, that they could then rise to, come to be. It doesn't mean "Thanks God for letting me win" and only the dumbass breed of childish ignorance and arrogance that u find in the uncreative intellectual would think so.
Uncreative Intellectual: Noun/Proper Noun. Referring to idiots who aren't smart enough to avoid thinking they're smart, most recognisable as people good at remembering what other people who actually think have said before them, but can't come up with their own independent or thought provoking anything. As a result, their exemplary marks within the confines of rehearsed academia produce an arrogance whereby, the uncreative intellectual, decides their lazy, uncritical way of remembering what they read and took notes on = actually understanding the world. But in fact, the author is simply a moron and anyone who thinks this shit was even remotely intelligent is by literal translation, also a moron.
Haha ! Imagine being so ignorant and being such an idiot that your profile pic states proudly :
‘Go 24 hours without complaining. Not even once… Then watch how your life starts changing’ … ;);)
- and then you go on a thread and complain about things like a butthurt priest and whinge about someone else’s supposed ‘incredible braininess’ !!
Your display of ‘moron’ is well beyond the author’s reach, let alone the average punter ;)
Nice ‘independent and thought provoking’ complaint tho…
- maybe just the rehearsed academia of a true ‘tard’ ;);)
Well done mister mongoloid
Ditto :)
Ditto x 2
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This is gold. The best ever article in history. Whoever wrote this (God?) is a bloody genius.
Graeme Murdoch was my initial assumption ...
My second thought, either Gra or DSDS.
Mighty fine writing.
DSDS 'cause it's a bit preachy;)
Agreed Zen. Initially thought blowy, but lean towards Gra. Lacking a certain edge. Still a thorough deconstruction of the “issue” with sound advice.
I bet it’s not even God who wrote this. I reckon it’s just some fella behind a keyboard.
And I think that fella is probably Graeme Murdoch. Well written too. Thanks for the entertainment, thoughts and giggles!
I reckon this has BB's fingerprints on it...
Likewise a certain rather active alias in this comment section.
Shitt how good was that - Im manifesting a update 7s for you..
Onya God. Hallelujah. It must be the toughest job being everything to everyone, but I guess someone's got to do it.
And, every failed prayer is either a sign of your undeserving sinful nature or His impotence. Not something to have caught on camera...
this made me so happy
While I don’t disagree, for the surfers you are referring to the prayers seem to be working. Please god help me land a huge air rev - zzzaaappp!!
When we pop huge air, we get closer to heaven.
But seriously, the devout are smashing the unbelievers.
The prayers are working alright. Perhaps this GOD wouldn't have written this article if Ethan Ewing had done his prayers and caught a few waves during that heat against his fellow christian man. Funny stuff tho aye.
Atheists were judging the Italo and Robinson heat and gave the “big fella” a solid - we are the gods around these parts - finger. Luckily Italo ran to the tower to let them know he doesn’t worship false idols like judges or pro surfers. Haha
And made a sacrificial offering to GOD of his board.
OMG!
Well written and I like the idea of keeping things just to ourselves. God writes a little like DSDS I reckon.
Why do people say OMG when they don't believe in God? makes no sense at all....And if they do believe in God then they are being disrespectful to something that they are grossly underestimating the power of....either way its a total throw away comment....lmao
Is that what it means?
I thought it meant 'oh my goodness'.
Well, as I use the moniker AlfredWallace, I’d say that the legendary Sir Alfred Russell Wallace, the fine human being who devised the Theory of Natural Selection, (no it wasn’t Charles Darwin the plagiarist, the Royal Society guy from London whom Wallace continually sent his findings to ) would be very proud indeed of these writings. Fcalmon I agree with your comment 100%. Finally some sense prevails.
Sure you don’t want to jump ship GOD and bat for the other team, you know, the one where you can show real time evidence of all things biological.
Well done on the Wallace Line too.
VJ Thanks mate. The Wallace Line, now we’re talking, not the one you just mentioned, the actual real Wallace Line, the one that splits the Lombok Strait and up into the IndoMalay Archipelago region, one of the worlds most famous bio/zoogeographic dividers, an epicentre of plant and animal biodiversity, a seminal book was written about that by the aforementioned, SARWallace, the VERY BEST book I’ve ever read in my life. Takes along time to read it, you feel like you are there for the entire 8 years fully ensconced with what he was doing and ultimately achieving.
Yes that's the one. The one that stopped Australian possums taking over the world!
Imagine if that deep-water border didn't exist:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/05/new-zealands-possum-war-ba...
VJ. I like your style. As you’d be aware, all flora /fauna to the West of the Wallace Line pertains to Asia and ultimately across to Europe at its Western distribution border. All flora and fauna to the East of the line relates to the Indo/ Australian region, hence we don’t have monkeys, squirrels etc, you get the drift. Our flora in OZ has many of its progenitors way further north and east than most people think, Eucalyptus deglupta Mindanao Gum in the Phillipines etc. New Guinea geologically joined as part of our tectonic plate, in the last ice age 18-25,000 years you could’ve walked from Port Moresby to Hobart, fascinating stuff, well, to me it is. As an example, the ancestral plant Arillastrum gummiferum a once rainforest tree on New Caledonia is the major ancestor of all things, Eucalyptus, Melaleuca, Callistemon etc in OZ. Pohutakawa in NZ all the same journey. I could gibber on all day like I’ve done this morning. You and I surf very similar breaks I’ve devised. GOD speed you, NOT
Great stuff Mr Wallace! Yes I love all that stuff too. Just want car-size wombats to return :)
Speed = (gravity x length of rail) x concaving x (jet function of fins^1.0008)
VJ you are quick witted. Can you imagine the size of the holes left behind by the species of Diprotodons, many a tourist en route to Healesville Sanctuary would accidentally drive down into them . What about Diprotodon shit, we would need gigantic pooper scoopers !!!
Love this little side thread AW and VJ !!!
CRG. Good one, keeps the day bubbling along, can’t believe how much dialogue has been entered today, very refreshing, good for our knowledge banks and literacy skills, and at no stage am I belittling people who are religious, that’s their choice, it’s just not mine, it’s no cut the bone stuff, it’s fun, haven’t laughed so much in ages, mostly at myself. Sure beats watching the shitfight between Blowin & VicLocal, at least its constructive. As you can see, in the flesh, I can talk underwater with a mouth full of peanuts.
Just going back to Diprotodon scats, one surf trip to Boodji (think: much of SW WA geographically isolated and thus retains quite a bit of diversity lost elsewhere) a mate went off in the dunes to mark territory, came running up & over them screaming. I thought he may have copped a scorpion somewhere tender, but he was screaming, "Dung Beetles! Dung Beetles Johnno!" and went on to describe just how keen the beetles were to get to his doings, and how amazing it was.
Point being: the soils of Australia are incredibly nutrient poor, and soft footed marsupials capable of dropping a lot of scat enabled a host of now-extinct dung beetle species to rapidly recycle nutrients and bring much life to the centre. Do you know there was dry rainforest all the way to what would become Alice Springs, and the entire North and East were a giant Gondwanic rainforest?
The coming of fire saw these ecosystems eviscerated, no more big marsupials, no more recycling, dead heart. My own feelings at present is that a great loss of speciation coincides with the last geomagnetic excursion, about 42,000 years ago (Laschamps excursion).
https://theconversation.com/earths-magnetic-field-broke-down-42-000-year...
Edit: in the aftermath of the fire regime, Eucalypts did rather well and became 95% of Australia's flora. Complete with their oily, fire prone leaves and their tendency to strip further nutrients out of soils. They have their moments of magnificence too, such as in the Florentine valley! But yeah.
You will all be thrilled to know that the geomagnetic poles are accelerating out of where they have been right now in excursion, to the point we are having to update GPS frequently, and we live in a time of mass loss of species and changing climate. How much this is an input to what we are seeing worldwide - well, Nobel prize to the scientist who can accurately balance all inputs in a model.
Humans needed a tribal society for 60,000 yrs for survival; ancestral myths, morals & wise leaders were honored.
Both Wallace and Charles Darwin researched for years before sharing & publishing together, to support the theory of species evolution, which suggested species adapt & change character over generations for survival in different environments.
Reference: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Alfred-Russel-Wallace
Reference: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Charles-Darwin
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-60980288
Since individuals & some societies have abused the concept of religion ideals & scientific miracles; guzzing cheap energy, buring whale oil, coal, gas, fossil oil were livin like kings... till we cook the planet, unless we can change as individuals & adapt as a society.
And for the life of me, I’ve never heard anyone ever, find a strand of DNA belonging to GOD. You other folk have got your head in the clouds metaphorically speaking.
Excellent article... Thank you Sir, err I mean God....
Maybe you should try and understand the Christian doctrine some more.
DarrenBuckley7. What’s that ?
Humorous article but why hang shit on peoples faith while knit picking on their hard earned success? Imagine how many people would be up in arms if you wrote a similar piss take letter from mother nature about how fake so many of the CT climate change activists are?
Different authors...we couldn't get hold of Mother Nature...but articles on Woz greenwashing are hardly a rare species. We've done many over the years.
Stu.Couldn’t get hold of Mother Nature ? R.D.O maybe, just saying.
Zero. The answer would be zero.
OMJ this one was well overdue and brilliantly written. Take it for what it is, a great summary of religious beliefs and it is only about 'don't take the Lords name in Vain' or something like that. I think GOD is pretty busy in Ukraine at the moment and couldn't give a toss about who wins some surf contest in the colonies (if you believe in the supernatural which I don't).
Right on God.
Praise be to this particular God for this wonderful article!
Lighten up folks, they, yours, mine, all just OPINIONS.
"but this is not the case, my tattooed, product-endorsing influencer friend..." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Blasphemy!!
Excuse my absence, I’ve been out looking for a strand of DNA belonging to GOD, not having much luck, I’ve looked under the couch, down behind the cushions, looked in my sock drawer, in the dogs bed and lastly I’ve looked in my attic, cos as GOD descended down from the heavens above, I thought on the off chance that as he entered my attic en route to earth, there’s a slim chance and a very slim one indeed that he or she may have caught their ‘fabric of life’ on one of my timber rafters, and possibly a strand of DNA would be waiting for my picking. With strand in hand, I go straight to my high school microscope, focus on in and what do I find, NOTHING.
Gotta keep your attic open mate if you're looking for God to enter!
Dear God,
Save me from your followers!
tbh, It is not just the brazzos.
The first mumblings I heard was from Buitendag a few years back.
Hopgood Bros-
https://challengenews.online/2019-june/satisfaction-guaranteed/
Did they praise the lord and thank him for heat wins in interviews?
I didn't know they were happy in da christian hood. No surprise it comes with yank citizenship.
That was some funny shit, right there! Maybe the big-man has a special labour division dedicated to WSL athletes?
Ive noticed Dean Morrison has a happy clapper quote on his instagram now.
Maybe god was going to punish him for being an absolute dick in the surf?
Hillsong is just LinkedIn with a property portfolio and open mic nights.
Burleigh. What else would expect , with a surname such as Morrison. Now I’m cracking myself up, I’m gone, stomach hurting from laughing. This is fun.
Dingo could repent his sins for the 10,000 drop ins he’s committed at Twin Towns.
Ive witnessed him getting his well deserved comeuppance a couple of times (not enough, obviously). I even got down on my knees, looked to the west and thanked Jesus for answering my calls, or Allah, cant remember who is over that way but someone answered.
I'm waiting for the Born-Agains to condemn this article, but surprisingly (?), dead silence...
gavin007. I’m waiting for Brutus Maximus. He’s never shy about talking all things religion. He’s probably hiding behind the cloth again !!!
he will be at home having a Self Flagellation session as penance for SN's terrible article.
Very funny Roadkill. He’ll be hiding behind two types of cloth if you know what I mean and holding another cloth to clean up that self flagellation if that’s what you want to call that mischievous male thing we do when your partner has been away for awhile working interstate. I have to thank GOD for writing this article today, I haven’t had so much fun since being forced to be an altar boy at the ripe old age of six, just how they like them.
God, it's all a big misunderstanding, remember when you come up with dyslexia for a laugh that one april fools day? Well they're actually thanking their dog mate.
Well, it’s not Silence of the Lambs today. It’s ‘Silence of the Christian’s ‘
Must be there alternate day, I’ll call back tomorrow when you’re home.
A poorly written article designed to antagonise.
Quick, cancel swellnet. Scott is upset
For a moment there I thought Scott Morrison was a new Swellnet subscriber, sorry mate, it was Laurenson, my bad, I need to visit SpecSavers to get some new glasses.
A poorly written article designed enlighten?
Maybe. But I think the 'design' was faulty. No enlightenment here, only ignorance!
Agree with all that God
this is gospel.
Wow Swellnet, really tackling the big issues here. What a load of rubbish
What a load of Rubble was found on the pathway to heaven. Lighten up.
I think you can see by the comments its going to be one of swellnets best.
Burleigh. Im going to retreat a little, adrenaline is starting to take over my sensibilities, I don’t want to go down the path of Blowin & VicLocal, I’m travelling on the edge I think.
✅
Testify!
Maybe Thout should call interference GOD(In the white rashie) had priority Mate ! ?
Tim Minchin knows the power of prayer;
A particular prayer in a particular spot
To a particular version of a particular god
And if you get that right, He just might
Take a break from giving babies malaria
And pop down to your local area
To [sic] fix some sets for a surfer
Noted here:
There are members of the Christian faith who argue that any petitionary prayer (i.e., asking for a seven in a heat, a ten metre birdie putt etc.) goes against the plan that God has for all. I have seen it put that personal requests reek of arrogance and selfishness. Not sure if TWW is asking or trusting in this case. Still mildly nauseating.
spot on
Perhaps if the current crop of top Aussie pros could rediscover that lost competitive mongrel that was common a long time ago,then they'd start winning more events and world titles,and we wouldn't be hearing 'thanks to god' speeches 2 out of every 3 events.
Until then,just gonna have to take it.
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Callum Robson has oodels of mongrel
Perhaps when he's been on the CT for longer than the last 5 minutes,he'll have oodles of event wins and world titles then.
Now don't be nasty.
Not being nasty,just sayin.
He's a rookie,and a lot of people didn't know of him until a week ago.
He's now in the early days of a CT apprenticeship,lets see if he has enough mongrel after a sufficient length trial period,say the whole '22 tour.
A couple of other mininum quarter final appearances and 1 semi should mean he passes the mongrel trial period,regardless of what his ranking ends up being.
Talk to us when you find the space bar champ :)
You're already there based on what you reckon you knew without any evidence whatsoever in another recent thread :)
Very little credit given to the devil for interference calls or lost heat's.
Commentators need to delve into the sins committed by a member of the god squad each time they lose a heat or blow a turn - proof that the prayer was shunned.
"Mmmm Joe, I think he must have done something naughty last night - lets ask him what it was."
Who is this 'God' character and where does he live?
Who's his favourite surfer?
Which footy team does he follow? (Obviously not the Cats.....)
So many questions!
Is he goofy or natural footer?
Does he ride a short board or a fish?
Does he call his minimal a mid length?
Does he use a leggie when he rises a longboard?
Does he paddle straight to the inside or wait his turn?
Coming from an extremely flawed human who loves god, surfing , and having a good giggle I was kinda saddened to read this article. I reckon paying out on someone coz they thank god for something they regard as a blessing in their life whatever that may be is sad.
Bella .Giovanni, great write up, music to my ears. Not my quote, but a very astute Swellnet subscriber- said it before and I’ll say it again, Australia and the rest of the world still being shaped by Religion and Fossil Fuels.
When you think about that quite historically it’s very ambiguous because most fossil fuels are derived from the laying down of organic plant and animal matter , biological organisms in an aqueous environment, so maybe I’m wrong it’s my/our fault for the ongoing warming of the planet, don’t think so. It’s how we’ve used and abused our stratigraphy, cheap, easy to extract. Commerce globally still exploits incredible natural systems, don’t believe me, get on Google Earth and you can actually see the blue copper colour staining in the oceans, rivers, rivermouths, mountains etc. of. New Guinea just to name one of the places where this shit is occurring, where the Ok Tedi mining and up the Fly River where villages and people have been toxically poisoned and translocated from their own homeland all buy a greedy few companies of which some are Australian, we should be disgusted, if that happened here there would be national uproar.
There everywhere....
*Moron surfers
as a moron surfer myself, I take great offence to this comment
I resemble that comment
First time, Long time.............Brilliant and well written article! Answered many of my long reaching questions in the search for our existence.
Giovanni. I was wondering mate. do you reckon GOD up there has got a good NBN connection or a Foxtel subscription because he must have hyper speed to be watching over those millions of sportspeople who are all thanking him for their personal successes all at the same time. I mean old dial-up surely wouldn’t cut the mustard. I know from a good source that GOD has not been honest to all of us today because how the fuck can he stay awake 24/7 to cover all sports in both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres. I know, he’s a closet NoDoze popper , I knew there was something sinister going on.
I still cant believe god gave Toledo the waves he prayed for, but didnt answer the prayers of the poor children dying of Maleria in Africa.
Does god only love the rich/successful people? Or does she just hate poor people?
Your ignorance will be rewarded one day when either you take the time to learn and understand, or you just kark it!
Huh?
The Universe has been having technical issues. There has been a delay in processing prayer requests over the last few years. Gods tech support team apologises for any inconvenience.
UDO .That’s gold mate. I’m busting at the seams looking at that photo. My elderly father said to me one day you’ll find them here there and everywhere on all corners of the planet, he then nonchalantly remarked, ‘I wonder who cleans and presses all those white shirts? ‘. Brilliant
Medina only thanks God when he wins!
I would love to know in history of pro surfing happy clappers if any of these weirdos have thanked god when they loose.
Couldn’t have been Gra. Writing was a bit turgid, lacking the flow of the surfers who are praising Him. Comedy was a little bit low hanging fruit.
Gra would have killed it.
Got some good support here though.
Now I'm confused....I thought Adriano said it was Dos Santos that was the higher power that got him over the line for his title....now your telling me it was GOD...even though it was Medina that bumped Fanning out of the race....or maybe God was too busy helping Gabby that Ricardo had to back fill ....fuck I need a cold shower and a warm beer
Bustard, showing my age now, but you need some electric crystals in the bath, a Bex headache tablet and a lay down. Fun day all round
maybe god is a combination of their:
Doctors
Personal Trainers
Surf Coaches
Masseuse
Surfboard shapers where they get 100s of boards each year
Luxury travel to the best waves
Psychologists
Rich parents
Maybe...... just maybe thank them first?
Just like a doctor performing life saving surgery and the person waking up and thanking god.
Italo don’t got rich parents
Still kissed on the dick by sponsors from a very young age
Seeing as your all having fun mocking the God of Abraham….let’s bring Islam into the conversation seeing as your infidels in their eyes and all….
Optimist. What for? So you can give most of us another substrate to build more hilarity on ?
No, we are not mocking god, I believe we are mocking surfers.
jabba jabba arkmed jabba he who puts his pole in my bumhole shall be put down by shalt jabba jabba arkmed jabba.
https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/shame-and-silence-bacha-bazi-in-afgh...
SICK...... & sad!
wow, that was hard to read udo.
Goes without saying, unimaginable being a child living in that culture.
When I was a kid I once prayed for a new bike ,,, but Mum said God doesn't work that way.
So I stole one and prayed for forgiveness instead.
Tubeshooter. Very funny indeed. I new it wouldn’t be too long before the Optometrist got on. Good afternoon the devine Officer Barbrady, nothing to see, hear or speak here. This is the National Geographic Channel- Tonight’s Episode. Evolution, on your TV just push the Natural Selection button, all things tangible and real will fill the screen, no fake news here I’m afraid.
Too much coffee, bravado and self loathing is a toxic mix......awesome piece of literature.
V1 Chp 1 = I tal lo points
Optimist. A few decades ago I was in Melbourne driving through the suburb of Hawthorn. Out in the front of a church on their flimsy wooden daily message board read a sign that went like this ‘What would you do if God came to Hawthorn ? ‘ Some brilliant quick witted person had rearranged the letters and it said ‘Move Peter Hudson to centre-half forward and God to full-forward’, I almost pissed myself and nearly drove off the road. The problem for me was that if God was moved to full-forward and you couldn’t see him, Hawthorn would’ve been one man down and open to a flogging by the opposition, ultimately you know, he’s not really there, what a let down for the capacity crowd who’d assembled on the day. Just saying.
Alfred wallflower…nah I just want to see how long you’ll live mocking Allah….maybe rip up a few Koran’s while your there…..the Christians have to turn the other cheek….our boss says so….it’s a new way of futuristic living and it’s an order so……your off the hook.
Optimist. You’d want to bring your ‘A’ game pal, I’m an avid reader, I’ve read the QUR’AN out of pure curiosity. Bring it on I say. What time is kick off tomorrow? Better go get my best boxing gloves it’ll probably go the full 15 Rounds I’d say.
I think all this praising god after heats is more Logan PR bullshit to get more clicks. There is no god and even if there was, (insert favourite pronoun) wouldn’t consort with wankers like Ezza. (FP) would be too busy taking dead legends back in time before the ‘Burnings Epoch’ to Kirra for the ultimate surf trip. Imagine the mid-lull bantz - “MP, please don’t make me look like a kook out here..”.
Can't see much Godliness towards Italo's locker room or his board when God doesn't let him win. I really think a prolonged sick claim including pointing to Heaven, should at least be worth 1 point to your wave, it's already workin.
I also think that Jack Robbo would be better just running down the beach and paddling out than over thinking it , just surf mate or point to heaven.
When Einstein gave lectures at U.S. universities, the recurring question that students asked him most was:
- Do you believe in God?
And he always answered:
- I believe in the God of Spinoza.
Baruch de Spinoza was a Dutch philosopher considered one of the great rationalists of 17th century philosophy, along with Descartes.
(Spinoza) : God would say:
Stop praying.
What I want you to do is go out into the world and enjoy your life. I want you to sing, have fun and enjoy everything I've made for you.
Stop going into those dark, cold temples that you built yourself and saying they are my house. My house is in the mountains, in the woods, rivers, lakes, beaches. That's where I live and there I express my love for you.
Stop blaming me for your miserable life; I never told you there was anything wrong with you or that you were a sinner, or that your sexuality was a bad thing. Sex is a gift I have given you and with which you can express your love, your ecstasy, your joy. So don't blame me for everything they made you believe.
Stop reading alleged sacred scriptures that have nothing to do with me. If you can't read me in a sunrise, in a landscape, in the look of your friends, in your son's eyes... ➤ you will find me in no book!
Stop asking me "will you tell me how to do my job?" Stop being so scared of me. I do not judge you or criticize you, nor get angry, or bothered. I am pure love.
Stop asking for forgiveness, there's nothing to forgive. If I made you... I filled you with passions, limitations, pleasures, feelings, needs, inconsistencies... free will. How can I blame you if you respond to something I put in you? How can I punish you for being the way you are, if I'm the one who made you? Do you think I could create a place to burn all my children who behave badly for the rest of eternity? What kind of god would do that?
Respect your peers and don't do what you don't want for yourself. All I ask is that you pay attention in your life, that alertness is your guide.
My beloved, this life is not a test, not a step on the way, not a rehearsal, nor a prelude to paradise. This life is the only thing here and now and it is all you need.
I have set you absolutely free, no prizes or punishments, no sins or virtues, no one carries a marker, no one keeps a record.
You are absolutely free to create in your life. Heaven or hell.
➤ I can't tell you if there's anything after this life, but I can give you a tip. Live as if there is not. As if this is your only chance to enjoy, to love, to exist.
So, if there's nothing after, then you will have enjoyed the opportunity I gave you. And if there is, rest assured that I won't ask if you behaved right or wrong, I'll ask. Did you like it? Did you have fun? What did you enjoy the most? What did you learn?...
Stop believing in me; believing is assuming, guessing, imagining. I don't want you to believe in me, I want you to believe in you. I want you to feel me in you when you kiss your beloved, when you tuck in your little girl, when you caress your dog, when you bathe in the sea.
Stop praising me, what kind of egomaniac God do you think I am?
I'm bored being praised. I'm tired of being thanked. Feeling grateful? Prove it by taking care of yourself, your health, your relationships, the world. Express your joy! That's the way to praise me.
Stop complicating things and repeating as a parakeet what you've been taught about me.
What do you need more miracles for? So many explanations?
The only thing for sure is that you are here, that you are alive, that this world is full of wonders.
- Spinoza
Unfarkn real ..yew ! Cheers speirsy
Nice one Speirsy
The god of Spinoza, is one smart god, probably the smartest. Spending a life devoted to this would be a life done right.
What a brilliant man.
What was Spinoza's idea of God?
After stating his proof for God's existence, Spinoza addresses who “God” is. Spinoza believed that God is “the sum of the natural and physical laws of the universe and certainly not an individual entity or creator”.
Agree Roadkill, when I read Spinoza's view, it resonated as a plausible reality with me which has never been the case when I have been in a church. In my travels i have visited the Vatican as a tourist ( Kiddie fiddlers palace) & found nothing for me, as I'm sure many others have, I found the wealth offensive. I have found that feeling of simple truth & reality in remote villages in Indonesia on surf trips. I believe no one knows the undisputed answer to how everything came to be. Organized religion for me has never been reality. I suppose if there is a "big reveal" when we die that's when all will become clear & we will say ahh that's how all this works LOL its that simple.. I'm definitely not smart enough nor am I even interested in trying to work out the biggest question of all time when no one has ever been able to figure it out. : )
That’s some great work right their Speirsy.
Thanks Speirsy haven't seen that before cheers
Optimist. Are going to dial up Brutus Maximus for reinforcement for the big bout. You’ll need cover mate and a blessing from God, wait a minute, nobody has ever seen, heard or spoke to that mythical entity. I gotta go, there’s a heap of disciples knocking on my front door wanting to know if I’d like to upgrade my Solar Energy set up, you probably don’t even believe the Sun exists either.
I know Him….I’ve walked and talked with Him for over 40 years…we’ve done amazing things together….He’s a cool person but has His strict ways….people like you will be gone very soon…and that will be a good thing…..Optimist Out.
End times coming soon! Book your seat on the SpaceX Rapture today! Limited tickets available (144,000)!
Optimist thats very Christian of you.... thats a disgusting thing to say --- go f##k yourself
You need to have a read of some of Pops sincere Christian posts.
TBH, you wouldn’t expect much love or understanding from this clown. Homophobia, bigotry and now this. It just adds to optimists contribution.
thats awesome man you nailed it,now eye need a few glasses of holy water ,cause im feeling gulible
Bless you, God. Thanks for the perspective, but is it still ok to pray for surf or should we just rely on the forecast?
I only ever pray to Huey, but by the success rate I must have been a very naughty boy.
Don't tell me he's not real. Please, no.
As a Brazilian I find this God crediting so embarrassing! I respect all religions, but they could thank God for the perfect waves that day, for having an amazing profession, etc, etc... but not because they won and someone else lost!!
Don't I live in God's country???
Very narcissistic to believe god gave you success while millions of people suffer.
Nailed it!
Thank god someone finally put this in writing!
As good as it gets. ROFL.
‘I know Him….I’ve walked and talked with Him for over 40 years…we’ve done amazing things together….He’s a cool person but has His strict ways….people like you will be gone very soon…and that will be a good thing…..Optimist Out.’
Floptimist you don’t know shit and you are a liar and a fraud ;)
Even fake brazo pretenders think it’s nice to hear that Jesus loves u
…. unless you’re in a mexican prison ;)
Jelly Flater. You nailed.mate.
I'm a long time Swellnet supporter and subscriber, and a passionate follower of Jesus.
It saddens me to see this article on Swellnet. Why do you need to publish an article that mocks God, or those who believe in God? I come here for excellent surf journalism and forecasting, not to have my Faith mocked. But I suppose that is where Australian society is headed. Not upset or surprised, just saddened.
I'm encouraged by Felipe and his public faith in Jesus.
Just my two cents.
Thanks.
RB
It’s not mocking god, it’s mocking the narcissistic fools that thank god for success while millions suffer.
Lighten up princess
rb7664. Hi. You say you are a passionate follower of Jesus, do you mind me asking where you are both heading ? You state you don’t like having your Faith mocked, can you please explain to me what Faith is ?
Australian society is heading down the pathway that the USA has already well trodden, way too many religious undertones creeping into our vernacular. Saying you believe in God is just an easy cop out, or that God will fix this or that, because it’s all a load of crap. God can’t fix a body ridden with bullet holes in a conflict (more likely than not started because of
religious differences ) or change a child’s future who has cerebral palsy, cure diseases in countries that have poor access to the things we take for granted, I think you get my drift. In the early eighties travelling around Europe in a fried out Kombi, surfing places that had never really seen surfers, one of the guys in our car had been brainwashed into Catholicism by his parents. When near the Pyrenees he begged us to visit Lourdes the so called Holy water town. What a con ! Thousands of people flying daily into a commercial airport to visit all the pipes spewing water out of the side wall of the church and it’s environs and dunking there sick children mostly. I watched with my jaw dropping every moment, after dunking, parents would break down, crying , tears in their eyes because it was clearly apparent that the so called Holy Water did Fuck all to allay there concerns. Is that the kind of religious beliefs you follow, it made me think of how much of the world has be conned by your organisations. We know the big church organisations are just a cover for corruption and an easy way to raise capital.
I think God and Faith had a thing going back in the early days before Mary caught God's eye...
"I know Him….I’ve walked and talked with Him for over 40 years…we’ve done amazing things together….He’s a cool person but has His strict ways….people like you will be gone very soon…and that will be a good thing…..Optimist Out."
That may well be very true Optimist which is why I like to keep an open mind on these things. Now, according to you, God must've created Wheeler Walker Jr for some reason, which possibly explains the "cool" & maybe the "strict" part to which you refer to about the great man. Some sort of conversations you must've had with him over those 40 years eh?
If your happy to indulge my curiosity, exactly when will people like me be gone and exactly where are we going to? Thanks in advance.
P.S. You must've got pretty "lucky" in those early days eh ;-)
O so witty and smart. I generally believe we will all stand before God one day and he won’t be mocked.
You will truly regret your writings then my friend
Do you also believe in the tooth fairy?
with all your antivax garbage it's pretty clear you'll believe just about anything too
You do realise how dumb this comment is right?
Gunna66. You sound like some kind of a prophet mate. I would like to thank you and your God, cos yesterday, I’ve never had so much fun on line as I did playing with all you Christian’s, geez you’re a morbid lot. You all come out for little brief periods like a mouse dashing out to grab the cheese then quickly retreating to your little safe haven hole in the skirting boards because you and I know that the longer you show your heads, the easier it is for us to wack ‘em down like that game at the amusement parlour. Ultimately you and I both know ‘there’s nothing to see here, because your demigod doesn’t and never will exist’, but in your tiny little reduced down pea size brains you cling onto hope, obviously hiding deficiencies in one’s life. How sad that you can’t pilot your own life.
I have clearly touched a few nerves, Alfred I am certainly not afraid of coming out of my little hole in the skirting board.
Christain’s have and consistently cop a lot of flack accused of being small minded Knuckle heads. All I do know is if anyone is truly prepared to look into The life of Jesus will be amazed.
When the spelling mistake tells all - Christ-stains indeed
Sorry for the spelling mistakes I am just a simple tradie/surf coach who failed English. I know I am battling it out with high level thinkers and intellectuals.
The world would be such a much better place if Christain’s over history didn’t lead the way in caring for the poor and the sick by starting the worlds first orphanage’s, hospitals and universities .
I so want the WOK community to take control and lead us all into the utopian socialist anti Christ existence. Because we all know how these types of societies have been so successful if past
Sorry but you’re not winning any friends here. Woke I think you mean.
I told you I was a moron
If I’m going to look into the life of a fictional character, I’ll choose Homer Simpson.
Gunna
This came from a Born Again Christian
it seems all the churches who have been accused of pedophlia , have their origins in western white society .......so is it a white mans disease?
Gunna are you saying by Mocking your God he is Gunna retaliate in some way ?
God is not a loose cannon losing his temper with people. God’s wrath is not a reckless rage, an uncontrollable anger, a senseless fury, or an unjust vengeance. The wrath of God is a precise and controlled response to the belittling of his holiness. Everyone who perishes under the wrath of God in eternity will not be because God lost his temper with them and mistreated them. On that day, everyone will know that God has treated them with precise justice. Three trillion years into eternity every sinner who is cast into hell will still know that God never mistreated anyone.
Bahahahahaha! Udo I'm thinking this must be great satire, surely no one is that fucked up to believe this shite?
Pretty dire warning from someone who only "generally" believes.....
Haha ;) Get a grip ;);)
‘O so witty and smart. I generally believe we will all stand before God one day and he won’t be mocked.
You will truly regret your writings then my friend’
What you generally believe and whether we all will stand before god or not are both absolute unknowns. A belief is a fantasy forged from your imagination, void of any substance. In your mind it governs you. In your mind this belief is also seemingly applicable to others.
Horseshit ;)
They’re coming out of the woodwork now. What you believe doesn’t amount to reality. Sanctimonious? Religion the original cancel culture.
Seeds. How funny, I take a break attend a Zoom meeting about avifauna in Australia and look what happens, the shit hits the fan, they come from everywhere. So true, whilst the cats away the religious mice come out to play. The little rodents they are all over it. Well I better sit down and plan out some evolutionary mouse traps. Their behaviour very much mocks rodents when you think about it
Maybe we need to have faith & hope in something; to comfort us in the dark moments....
Why not an omnipresent entity called God or the stars, sun or the moon?
In Hebrew they sing “hallelujah”“to praise joyously to God,” ....praise has to be better than consumerism & waiting for the next big thing.... ....
Interesting choice of song bbbird, seeing as PG is a happy clappy that voted against stem cell research during his ill-fated tilt at parliament...
Fair enough re him being religious, S67, but I think "ill-fated" is a bit harsh. I'm not a great fan of his time in Parliament, mainly because I reckon if he'd joined the Greens he'd have had a lot more impact.
However, he had a bit more than a "tilt" - he was elected in '04 and was part of the ALP Govt from 07-13. That's 9 years.
According to The Wheeler Centre (https://www.wheelercentre.com/people/peter-garrett):
"Peter entered Parliament as the Member for Kingsford Smith in 2004. In 2007 Labor won government and he was appointed Minister for the Environment, Heritage & the Arts.
This role saw substantial additions to Australia’s national reserve system, particularly to Indigenous Protected Areas, along with increased investment and new programs for conservation of the Great Barrier Reef.
As Minister for the Environment, Peter Garrett was instrumental in the campaign against so called “scientific whaling” in the Antarctic, culminating in Australia’s successful challenge to Japanese whaling in the International Court of Justice in 2014. He secured agreement to a national waste policy leading to Australia’s first ever e-waste recycling scheme, and delivered a long awaited resale royalty scheme for visual artists.
Following the 2010 election Peter was sworn in as Minister for School Education, Early Childhood and Youth.
In that role he secured a broad suite of education reforms. These included legislating for the first time, a needs based funding system for all Australian schools, as well as implementing a national curriculum and initiating indigenous ranger cadetships for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander students."
In the context of the Rudd-Gillard madness, you'd have to agree it's not a bad innings' worth. Be interesting to compare him to Sussan Ley or Stuart Robert. They make him look like a rock star.
Damm! All this time I was scared he'd catch me masturbating!
I hope god doesn’t look at internet history.
Burleigh. Cracked me up. Mine either, YouPorn, RedTube, xHamster, Chemist Warehouse (Cialis), Chemist Warehouse (incontinence undies), Chemist Warehouse (2x mag, reading glasses), Chemist warehouse (herpes cream), Chemist warehouse (anusol wipes). Better stop now, don’t want to reveal my full health status to OTHER surf websites now. Ah, the hilarity of it all.
So trendy.
So hip.
Do one on “first nations”spirituality next please.
Micheal Adam. Here, here. That would be grand, at least it’s based on real time observations and experience of the oldest culture on the planet , surely we will learn a whole lot more than fantasy we’ve been subjected to yesterday. Bring it on I’d say. Just got a new book yesterday ‘The First Astronomers’ How Indigenous Elders read the stars. Can’t wait to get into it.
Udo. Hi and thanks. I’ve no idea how to upload to our comments box. Took a photo of the book cover this morning with intention of sharing it with all but kooked it, I’m a tech dinosaur.
Nah that's old news unfortunately Michael, hanging shit on the indigenous mob was hip and trendy for the last 200 years (y'know with Christian endorsed genocide across this country and all that), but these days all those woke dickheads are making it hard for honest God fearing people like us to have a bit of fun..
Us?
Why not. 60,000 years plus of continuous culture versus a book that has been hastily revised by vested interests over a few centuries - but still advocates eating children. Would make an interesting comparison would it not?
Solid piece God.. cheers. Would you mind writing one to our Total Cock of a prime minister also? Thanks in advance..
I have to say this is a terrible idea Swellnet. When you go surfing the idea is to leave the bullshit squabbling and divisiveness on land and do something that connects you to nature and makes you a more tolerant and better person. Surfers, generally, are more inclusive and as a group they tend to try and have a postive impact on the society they live in.
This isn't it. By focussing in on small group of surfers by race and to ridicule them about their religious beliefs is not very different to spraying 'F&%$ off Brassos' on the wall of your local Australian surf break (seen it many times).
Having these opinions about Brazilian's religious beliefs or any religion is fine, however, this is a public space, and this isn't the forum to air these beliefs.
I'm assuming you have read the article ridiculing Swellnet and the Swellnet audience on Beachgrit.
From the article:
Thankfully, the most marginalized of groups, middle-aged white surfers, have seen the benefit of guarded thinking and congregate at the safer space swellnet.com amongst likeminded, like-believing, like-socioeconomic, like-racial others.
Is this really how you want to manage the Swellnet brand? I think the Swellnet site is excellent, and this is a terrible misstep. There are plenty of Brazilian surfers who live in Australia who read this site or people who have some kind of religious practice. Attempting to exclude anyone is just not a good idea and doesn't put surfers in a good light.
Huh?
Setting your moral standards by quoting beachgrit articles is a new low for man kind.
Haha! Nailed it Burlz!
Longtom. Ouch.
Chas Smith reminds me on the one hand of a person in a glass house throwing stones, and on the other of a toddler with a thesaurus.
Toxicity is swellnet's new religion.
Cockee. Morning. There was a word bandied around yesterday, I’m just trying to remember what it was, got it, it’s religion. Can you please tell me what is religion? I wait with baited breath, well, after last night’s delicious spaghetti carbonara, I’d say garlic breath, but you get my drift.
Assumptions are like beliefs - they are grounded in ignorance and intend to limit or curtail open discussion.
So beachgrit can ridicule swellnet but god can’t ridicule brazos ?! ;);)
No one is being excluded here. This is good ol fashioned tongue in cheek fun. A bit of fun… Just like surfing is meant to be.
And being a supposed ‘public space’ is exactly the appropriate forum in which god can write whatever he/she wants ;) The article was not actually airing any beliefs - just questioning and lampooning beliefs…
Lighten up ;)
Get over yaself gomatix…
If you want to be butthurt then realise it’s a choice ;)
Gomatix. You put ephedrine on your cereal this morning. Focusing in on race hey, well the last time I checked we are all Homo sapiens, maybe you could describe from an anthropological perspective what a ‘race’ is, the word you should’ve used is nationality. I thought a public space is a forum, it’s a piss take, don’t you get it. Surely you can see by all responses, whoever wrote the original article is very clever indeed with literature and a poke the bear mentality, 99% of us think it’s just light hearted fun. Anyway, what’s Beachgrit got to do with anything on here, who gives a fuck what they or any other site thinks, it’s a joke mate, but I must say how can we mock a religion that is not really there in the first place. Don’t tell me, you are not another loyal cult follower of another surf website, shame on you. Are you religious? Who is trying exclude anyone from this site or even commenting, if you’ve picked up on the proper discussion it’s about thanking GOD everytime they win an event, that’s all, don’t throw accusations or sling mud at us middle aged white men if that’s what you think we all are, all ages are represented here, because when you comment and use your moniker, you can’t see ‘age’ you goose, how do you know we are all white, now you are being racist ( tongue planted firmly in cheek). Lighten up mate. We are all grown ups, we can defend our selves, what we don’t need is vigilante sycophants. Hope your day gets better from this point on.Cheer up, pal.
It's a shitty article that teaches nothing. Maybe people get a laugh while thinking they are smarter than the rest.
I'm not Brazilian and I'm certainly not religious, not even close. However, I did grow up in South America, which is a very catholic society, so even though I don't give a shit about Jesus, the church or any of that I do find myself using god references quite often. the funny thing is that I cringe too when I hear some of those post heat interviews when they go all out on God, but why would I waste my energy writing something that only criticizes others, who to be honest, are not really causing any harm with their fairytale Jesus stories. You say is not racist but the title clearly says "Brazilian" when many other people from other countries do the same thing.
Definitely not great content for a site where I come to read about surf, and yes, have a laugh, but this one is for all the wrong reasons
True, there are countless celebrities from the film and tv industries in the US who consistently thank god in award ceremony speeches, along with many athletes from US and European nations. (Not to mention politicians, especially in Australia lately., sending “thoughts and prayers” to those experiencing natural disasters and atrocities.) Many athletes in many sports also display crosses/crucifixes around the neck while competing.
I wonder if this article focuses on Brazilians because they are most prominently featuring on the winners podiums lately in surfing. But it is fair to ask, would this article have been written if it had been Kolohe, Kanoa or Connor Coffin sending thanks to the man upstairs at multiple victories lately.
An entertaining and unique read. I don’t believe in god. If others do that’s fine. I take issue with those people of faith trying to enforce certain teachings or whatever you want to call it on general populations. Key ones being no abortion, no euthanasia, no contraception - although I acknowledge peoples objection to these is not always based on religious belief. I cannot get my head around how religious institutions and other offending institutions maintain the support of the congregation in this time given what we know about abuse and the cover up of it. What answer has god for this?
Athletes thanking a higher power for sporting success does grate on me. I wonder how their coaches, trainers and sponsors feel - maybe they aren’t needed anymore?
Peppa bluey. Superb.
Good Read on CNN website " When did god become a sports fan ".
small extract below.
Athletes who publicly thank God for victory are often calling more attention to themselves than their faith, says William J. Baker, author of "Playing with God."
They are selling their goodness, and their brand of faith, to a captive audience, says Baker, who describes himself as a Christian.
"I don't think it's the right place and it's not the right gesture," says Baker, a former high school quarterback. "It's an athlete using a moment to sell a product, like soap."
What many of these pious athletes are also selling is an evangelical, winner-take-all gospel, Baker says.
This may well be the single best thing I'll read this year.
Swellnet is in Beach Grit's reticle:
https://beachgrit.com/2022/04/safe-space-for-middle-aged-white-man-baits...
Some (personal) highlights from the comments:
"No fucking way I'm going to read all that. But you can be damn sure I'm going to comment."
"Middle aged , middle class, white Aussie pride hurt I guess after Bells. I note there subscription cost is $6.66. Its obviously a satanic site set up by the Devil."
"I’m glad white people have finally turned the tables and can openly mock poor, brown communities for their beliefs. Justice has finally been served."
"So wait a minute! You are basically telling us that you are so fucking lazy now you can't even be bothered to write your own fucking articles? That low bar that I seem to always think you can't possibly limbo under is just easy peasy for old Chuckie."
And this from someone who obviously doesn't visit Beach Grit all too often:
"I think the comments for articles are mixed up here Chas?"
Very interesting Calk, and kind of ironic seeing as Chas is also white, middle class and at 46, middle aged. Seems he's butt hurt he's not witty enough to write as well as God.
I can't read most of what Chas Smith writes on Beach Grit, although I do try. To me his articles are just really difficult to read. I think he's a bit of a literature buff. I'm not!
I think he's picked up and run with a comment made by Vaughan Blakey about the Swellnet 'demographic' and will milk it for everything he can.
He's very good at copying & pasting though!...........as pointed out more than once by his own fan boys.
Chas seems like a quirky character.
Calk...scroll up the page a bit ..
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Beach Grit eh ....in Sept 2020 a fellow Surfer was attacked and killed by a White Shark at Greenmount beach...
A swellnet surf cam unfortunately captured the Attack...and as soon as practicably possible shut the Cam Down
But not before Beachgrit siezed the Footage and loaded it to there insta site for max hits and refused to take it down for many hours
Sick Fucken Bent units ---And now have a Dig about a Religious Semi Pisstake Article
So get fucked Gomatix
Aha! Didn't see those comments udo... Spent long enough reading God's article.
That’s so fucked!! What a bunch of self righteous seppo fuckheads. Make fun of their guns and god and they lose the shit.
Udo. Beautiful salvo fired straight across the bow. What a pack of tools those idiots are. Not a thread of moral fibre within. It’s all about the Hits, the Likes, the product promotion etc.etc.etc.
Great stuff !!!
wow sounds like a bit of jealousy coming from ol chas......funny how anyone could get offended from this article........
What a cracker. Great satirical writing. Pointed at the self importance that some of the surfers hold rather than an argument against religion.
Would be comforting to have a reason to exist, unfortunately I don't have one!
What is your reason to exist Mr Wallace?
Groper. My reason to exist is simple, thanks for asking.
Position yourself properly to hopefully add to the record. Maybe even contribute to the formation of a mass extinction event.
Groper. I have no reason to contribute to a mass extinction, because all 7.753 billion of us global inhabitants are doing a pretty darn good job of it at present. We’ve had more than one mass extinction before and we will in the future, what does concern me is any mass extinction that’s human induced. You still haven’t explained to me why you have no reason to exist.
Kreator told me:
Groper. Why so down on yourself mate, it’s Friday, weekends upon us ?
What do you mean you don’t have a reason to exist, I’ve an enquiring mind, what’s up ?. I’m happy to listen. Geez, now I’m starting to sound like a divine intervener, Burleigh, ringmaster, Udo, seeds, , help me, throw us a lifeline mate, I think I’m getting pulled into the vortex of religious misery. Cheers
Religion..........fairy tales for adults.
That is all.
ringmaster. Oh, you and I are playing the same trumpet. Beautiful quote mate.
Not a mention of Zoroastrianism, god-dam plagiarists, a plague of locusts on you then, God you've been swayed in the last 2000 years, perhaps you're just an imposter.
From what I saw in a Cambodian street food stall a Plague of locusts would be warmly welcomed
Still laughing about the beachgrit article. The Chas guy knows where his cocaine comes from right? and last time i checked he is also middle aged white guy.
I’m pleased someone has brought this issue up. As a survivor or sexual, physical, phycological and emotional abuse in a religious institution I am offended by these privileged elite surfers who use the WCT as a pulpit for their faith - espousing gods plan for their life, thanking him for answering their prayers and praying to win a sporting event.
I prayed every day and night for god to stop the abuse I was subjected to - EVERY NIGHT I pleaded with him to stop this man from coming in, not to pick me, to get me out of here. It did not stop for me or millions of other survivors who prayed for the same thing. So, to see someone praying to win a SPORTING EVENT and then thanking god for helping them to win it is sickening. When he didn’t lift a finger to help millions (maybe tens of millions) of children who’s lives were destroyed by religious men and institutions. There are so many victims who have passed on this trauma to their children and have committed suicide or died from drug overdoses - is that gods plan for our lives?
I ask you this. If one of your children came to you and asked you to stop a friend, a relative, the man next door or an employee from raping them - would you ignore them and do nothing about it? God did.
So, please keep your faith to yourself and stop using the WCT to offend people with your fairytale bullshit.
Thanks for taking the time to write this gusset, These narcissistic top level sportspeople that have had everything handed to them on a gold platter should be ashamed of themselves for thanking god for a fucking wave.
Fuck them, fuck the church and fuck the fairytails in the bible
That's a heavy story Gusset, Im sorry to hear what you went through. All jokes aside, religion is the root of all evil, fuck anyone who supports the Christian churches in particular, there's reason we had a royal commission into institutional child abuse and the catholic church was - correct me if I'm wrong - responsible for 75%. Interesting none of the save the children freedumber Trump-loving qidiots had anything to say then.....cunts. I hope you're okay these days mate.
Yep. I'm sure that you've persuaded Brazzo surfers to change their ways. Well done. Maybe time to move on.
Cockee. Well, move on then if you so choose.
Cockee I hope that wasn’t a reply to Gusset.
Seconded Seeds. WTF??
Interesting reading these comments.
In the original article, God alludes to religious relativism. That is that there are multiple interpretations of the divine which may all be ‘true’.
However, these arguments generally become faith-based. That is people ‘believe’ their own position and do not pay attention to evidence that contradicts it. This can be applied to both the religious and atheist stances.
There is no objective evidence that god exists and likewise there is no evidence that god does not exist. Logic suggests that god is a construct of early societies without sufficient scientific knowledge to understand the more abstract events of life but that is hypothesis not fact.
As such it is best to respect people, and find joy in whatever way we can. No point drawing arms to defend a god or non-god philosophy.
When you have millions of victims of sexual abuse at the hands of the church, plus billions that are left to die hungry and diseased, thanking god for a wave to win a surf contest is extremely wrong.
Nice. Listened to the waterman podcast. Forget who Rasta and his overly happy wife Lauren ( assume he is not only godly in the ocean) was interviewing (could have been Albe) but he said something that resonated. Something along the lines that nothing shows intelligence more than listening to someone you disagree with and still forging/maintaining a friendship. Pretty hard to do but definitely worth striving for.
Ill comment soon.
Cokee thinks SN is peddling toxicity.
If that is so he is one of the main instigators.
Hey just a question, it says before I post that my comment will be editable for ten mins after I’ve posted it. What do you have to say to not be granted permission to have your comment posted?? Some of the personal attacks being written here are pretty full on.
You can edit your own post within ten minutes. After ten minutes you can't. Not a screen before it posts. Look up Blowin for the level of BS you have to spew for posting rights to be revoked, it's alot.
Even then I think you’ll find it’s more the result of whiny cancel culture flogs relentlessly demanding others be removed from the site than the legends who own and run it.
Idiot!
G'Day Mate,
In general we give free speech a fairly long lead, and we'd like to think it applies to people of all politics, colour, and creed, all can have a say without fear of censorship. Hey, they can even abuse us, as 'fishnsurf' has done below.
But the lead is finite, ad hominem attacks aren't on, nor is relentless trolling.
You can email me anytime to clarify or complain: [email protected]
To quote Jesus I must say " Go away Satan" Its one thing to attack the Brazilians personally but to attack their spiritual belief is a step too far. I often wondered why the cost of this subscription was $6.66 a month . Its truly not surprising that an Australian living on land stolen and the crimes of genocide, rape murder and pedophilia's to acquire this land have left you with a sense of superiority . Its truly your natural reality.
You want to try bring down the catholic church, Well you don't have to. Its founder "Jesus". Was betrayed with murder his own disciple. The others turned their back on him . His own people freed a murderer in place of him. So don't even try to point out that Christianity isn't perfect, And maybe thats why the Brazilians are so thankful . Unlike your new world order supremacy rich 1st world ungratfull pieces of shit i surf with on a daily basis who think they own the whole fucking planet. So im gunna tell you what . You go right on ahead and cancel me from this fucking site, coz im not paying you another $6.66 a month. Go read revelations you dog cunts . your time is coming . your suffering is coming. your world is an ash tray.
Bahahahaha cool story bro. Bye!
Why not just turn the other cheek? Christian hypocrisy.
To turn the other cheek means not to submit or not fight back but to fight back wisely. Unfortunately like the author of the article a narrow understanding of the scripture and historical context it was written gives athiests false ammo they use upon which to attack. You can see how this might rustle some feathers.
Now wether the comment section of a surf forecasting website is a wise place to choose your battle, I will be open to conceding.
fishnsurf. That’s a lot of stored up anger, maybe you need to go and relieve yourself, but that’s probably not permitted by your boss. Ah, that’s it, Swellnet is about to go under because you aren’t going to subscribe. Can anyone out there please help the boys at Swellnet HQ so as to avoid a surf forecast recession. And who may I ask is going to inflict the pain, the suffering on us, you can’t even provide us with any evidence of who your leader is, I may remind you, that inflicting pain and suffering is your organisations normal modus operandi.
fishnsurf - This is a troubling and sad comment - not very christian either. Can you please explain to me why your god would provide a wave, as an answer to prayer, so competition surfers can win a heat/comp when he sent millions of innocent children a pedophile rapist as an answer to their prayers. God, according to the bible, hears your prayers and therefore, having heard them and doing nothing about it is complicit int he rape and abuse of innocent children.
My advice to the Brazilian surfers . Sue Swellnet . For every cent they have
You are joking. Taking the piss. Swellnet didn’t write the original article, GOD did, whoever he/she/it is.
Woah ;);) That escalated quickly !
Once we start quoting jesus one must know the steak is well done ;)
And possibly overcooked ;);)
Unless, of course… there is evidence!
So in the spirit of giving…
Did you even know this :
A spectacular metaphorical reference is hidden in plain sight in the most revered and historically factual book of mysteries ever recorded. Ever.
So… whether you lean towards Ford, Holden or…. Honda…. this explains it all.
John 12:49 - ‘for I did not speak of my own accord’
- jesus actually drove a honda but never told us directly…
Facts ;)
Hey Jelly, I dont think he was a died in the wool Honda type of guy, though does seems to me he was quite the car enthusiast as the book of Genesis states after Adam took the apple Jesus drove them both out of the garden of Eden in a fury...classic styling those fury's...can just see him with the window down....elbow on the door with those long locks blowing in the breeze listening to Mark Knopfler....( "Dire Straits" is referenced in a number of Old Testaments ...so pretty bad joke I know )
Hey Swellnet/God/ What Evs
Please, please , please keep the responses in chronilogical order.... it would make everything so much clearer with regard to questions and responses...thank you
Just a timely reminder to AlfredWallace that, despite what you clearly wish us to believe, you are not the real Alfred Wallace. The real AW wouldn't be purposely driving a hate-filled agenda to achieve nothing but division. If you insist on being an Alfred maybe Alfred E Neuman would be a better fit
Dear Swellnet,
I am writing out of courtesy in the hope that I won't have to smite you with My lawyers, but this article by an obvious imposter has been brought to My attention. There is only one God and it's Me. I apologise for not responding earlier but I was in the downstairs loo taking a Putin on the Ukraine. Before you ask, yes I did wash My hands after, and believe me I needed to after that super sticky one. I might go ahead and do the poo sample kit the government sent Me on My 6000th birthday. But I digress. What kind of a God would I be if I stood by and let any old clown say he was Me? The last guy who refused to cease and desist was smote so hard by My lawyers he was soon begging for alms in a loincloth outside the temple, even on the sabbath! If I weren't so benevolent I would have also had his Twitter account cancelled.
Fyi I favour the Brazzo's for one simple reason, and you'll never guess what it is. You might think it's because they are feisty and super competitive, which I love. I love it when people feel the pain of a heat loss so bad they ram their skull through their surfboard. Enormously entertaining, even after some of the crazy things I've seen in My 6000 years here. Or you might think it's because the Portuguese have a history of seafaring and trade which helped make the modern world, while their neighbours the Spanish just enjoyed sticking red hot pokers up people's butt holes. After all, nobody's ever heard of the Portuguese Inquisition. Or you might think it's because of the gnarly airs they try and often make. Well, OK that's part of it. But mainly it's because I love, above everything else, a BigMac. There's nothing else like those two all-beef patties ...special cheese ... I forget the exact lines... on a sesame-seed bun. Those beef patties don't just grow on trees you know. I put the Brazzo's on Earth to burn down that horrible nuisance Amazon and stock it up with cows to make those delicious BigMacs. Mmmmmmmmmm. The Brazzo's are ripping through that thing like it's bonfire night. Therily I have bestowed blessings on them, the crazy little rascals.
So while I did have a jolly good laugh at the above article, which I read over a BigMac and a Woodstock or three, please make it your final one where the author claims to be Me. Lawyers Swellnet, lawyers. Need I say more.
Oh Me, I can feel another Putin knocking on the door, and this one's already poking its head out. Must be all that damned salad they put on the BigMacs.
Enormous Shakas from your Ultimate Theistic Stylemeister,
God
Cockee. Thanks for your heart felt comments, If you are smart enough to read all my posts, i dont think you’ll see the word HATE written anywhere fella. I dislike religion immensely for what it has done to people of the world, most importantly people who by no choice of their own, find themselves in vulnerable positions or circumstances.
The next time there is a Royal Commission into abuse from a church, check for yourself, pretty sure they aren’t well to do or rich people who are being abused. Religion tricks people into convincing them they have problems or feel inferior and therefore get lured in on the big God Fishing Hook, you nuff , nuff.
AF if you read Cockee's comment..he said a "hate filled agenda" which is mocking peoples beliefs to the point of insulting , which some people would call religious vilification , including myself.
You ask about faith....you seem to have faith that there is no God , therefore under the law , you have a religion, that is faith based !
I wonder if you have bothered to find out how much good is done by faith in Religion based people, and not done the ol'stereo type , about abuses that priests etc have done...so therefore the whole system is corrupted and not just the few.......bit like judging white people like Tarrant who is a white supremacist from Australia .....so are all Australians white supremacist mass killers??
here educate yourself.....on the meanings of what you are saying.....https://discriminationclaims.com.au/vilification/religious/.........so then the question arises is Swellnet guilty of Religious vilification?
The real question brutus is do you lie?
To defend your beliefs - do you embellish, deceive, manipulate and inflate? ;);)
A cpl of other questions… of actual importance and relevance in regard to you trying to deflect accountability for the systematic corruption and sexual abuse cover ups by multiple religious institutions of christian and roman catholic ilk…
Is religion accountable? Is god accountable? Are the churches accountable? Are the believers accountable? Are the governments and government ministers of religious faith who facilitate and protect these monsters accountable? Are the supporters and deflectors like yourself accountable ? ;);)
Oh. But swellnet is discriminating against religion and should be held accountable? ;);)
Wahahaaaaa.
Keep cooking away ;);)
Jelly , read the article about religious vilification , read the definition and what the law says and see if you can answer my question ......are you and SN guilty of religious vilification......?
Are you accountable under the law...lets discuss
That’s pathetic that you try and bring the law in to something like this Brutus ffs you should be embarrassed with yourself
Goofy...all I am doing is showing you the Australian Law and definition of religious vilification.....so why should I be embarrassed about reprinting a law we all live under?
So what is something like this and why don't you think the law applies.???
Goofy...all I am doing is showing you the Australian Law and definition of religious vilification.....so why should I be embarrassed about reprinting a law we all live under?
So what is something like this and why don't you think the law applies.???
No.
Get ova yaself and your ridiculous crusade ;)
Great discussion by the way ;)
And remember … these laws are created and mandated by the very zealot politicians you wholeheartedly say don’t represent christians.
Yet u wish to attempt to abide by them and pretend they offer legitimate protection while harnessing supposed equality and freedom of expression ;)
Get off the imaginary discrimination high horse and try lighten up.
So… do you or have you ever lied or embellished anything to protect your faith (consciously) ? ;);)
And should the christian religion be held accountable for its most wonderful and effective methods of coercion, blackmail and institutional corruption and abuse?
These answers seem beyond you ;)
Overthefalls - excellent contribution!
jelly.......this is not about me or my faith........we are now discussing the laws that you follow and abide by in Australia.....one of these being religious vilification...........I am not discriminating gainst people who don't really have much idea of what they are talking about....as the Australian Law is clear and if it's not , well discuss why you think the law is wrong...attacking my faith and myself is just a strawman tactic for those unable to fully understand what they are actually saying....no high horse , no judgement.........and no I have never had to lie or embellish a story to protect my faith , as there is no need to be defensive of my faith...but I can ask you about your faith and why do you think making jokes about religion is not vilifying religion when the law that you live by , clearly says you are?
You've never had to "embellish" a story to protect your "faith"
Thanks for the laugh Brutus. That's enough internet for me today.
burleigh , off you run......can't answer simple questions......as usual you cannot substantiate your comments.....or your opinion as the facts show that you are guilty of religious vilification!
Look up the meaning of substantiate Brutus. Maybe you still have time to edit your comment.
haha Burliegh there you go again/still...so you now want to discuss the meaning of substantiate, so you accept that you have religiously vilified ?
how about racial vilification .......can you substitute religion or racial or maybe gender???
Man, you're clutching here Brutus. Now you want to substitute religion for race as an argument.
You choose your religion, you can not choose your race. See the difference?
ha , just seeing if you understand vilification.........race/Gender/Religion what 's your favourite vilification ?
You’re hiding behind a law because it suits your bias. This law was cleanly not designed for situations such as these yet here you are twisting and turning because you don’t like the answer.
You’ve been very quiet about your comments in 2019 that have been posted. Did you break your own law?
So here's where you've dug yourself in!
I'll bite...
My favorite vilification is black fellas who're so downtrodden they jump right into the white fella's crockpot.
Wipe the foam dust off your eyes, Brutus, and please, stop vilifying yourself. You're better than that.
I don’t ‘live by’ religious vilification ‘laws’ as you are attempting to state…
You do.
In the meantime…
A joke is a joke.
Satire is satire ;)
Reading the bible and taking it literally causes delusion and enables one to espouse an ideology that is purely an effort in achieving greater personal self control. However, have you noticed christian people have a tendency to try tell others what they can and cannot do, whilst at the same time being immune to the conditions and rules themselves. (Another hallmark of ppl with severe mental illness)
Trust me, I understand what I’m saying here. I understand the ‘law’.
What you don’t understand is that you are unable to laugh at yourself or your imaginary faith. Whatever interpretation of the ‘law’ you are trying to highlight here is again your biased effort to defend your insane beliefs and force the acceptance of it upon ppl who either don’t give a shit or who actual have a purposeful existence and healthy functioning relationships ;)
The harshest truth for you is that this original piece you are so offended by was written by god.
How can you prove it wasn’t ? ;)
‘There is no need to be defensive of my faith’
Haha
-what are you doin here exactly ? ;)
The idiocy of the brutus keeps on keeping on!
jelly , so you don't live by Australia's laws?
I do not trust you as you obviously don't understand the law...what am I doing here , trying to understand the people who are lost and do not have any clear hopes for the future....
So you have faith that there is no God , therefore you qualify as being a religion, which is based on your faith , LOL!
Then you go , LOL, maybe God did write the article,,,,,really Jelly......LOL??
OK so which is it.....can you admit that according to Australian law......you are religion because you have faith ( no Proof) that God does not exist?
brutus the liar proudly states :
‘So you have faith that there is no God , therefore you qualify as being a religion, which is based on your faith , LOL!
Then you go , LOL, maybe God did write the article,,,,,really Jelly......LOL??’
Now… listen up ;)
When did I ever say I have faith there is no god ?… When ? ;);)
…assumption, fantasy and illusion.
Brutus you are a serial keyboard pest. It’s clear you are not well. Pls try understand you don’t answer questions directly. You deflect and make shit up ;)
You continually accuse ppl of stuff and make up falsities they have supposedly said. All because you are a frustrated and delusional old pretender…
There are constant instances of brutus / sharkman providing no actual facts or evidence to any assertions put forward…
So… can you actually prove god didn’t write the article ? ;)
You seem to think you can prove gods words are in the bible tho … ;);)
Nice try.
;) ;) ;)
Let’s be real here. The bible and truth telling don’t really go hand in hand.
So maybe Brutus is just following orders?
Jeezus... The God article was tongue in cheek Aussie humour. Had a chuckle all the way through it.
If we are being serious I went to a catholic school. If there is a God you wouldn't want that organization representing you.
Taking the piss is the Australian way, but there does seem to a few people commenting, particularly AW, that seem to be enjoying antagonising people. Let’s just say your not coming across as very funny or much of an intellectual heavyweight.
Does this satirical piece of writing really constitute religious and racial vilification? I think it depends on how you interpret the law’s definition.
According to The Racial and Religious Toleration Act 2001, the legal definition is “behaviour that incites hatred, serious contempt, revulsion or severe ridicule for a person or group of people, because of their race or religion.”
Furthermore, according to the Human Rights Commission, “behaviour that is not likely to be vilification includes:
- being critical of a religion, or debating racial or religious ideas, in a way that does not encourage others to hate racial or religious groups
- actions that offend people of a particular race or religion, but do not encourage others to hate, disrespect or abuse racial or religious groups.”
Personally, I had no feelings of hatred, contempt, revulsion or severe ridicule towards Christianity or Brazilians as a result of reading the letter. I just read the letter for what it is: a harmless piece of satire.
overthefalls......legal Australian definition...
Definitions
Religion includes a belief system or the absence of a belief system.
A public act is any form of communication to the public, such as speaking, writing, printing, displaying notices and messages on the internet and social media.
It also includes conduct observable by the public, including actions, gestures, wearing or display of clothing, signs, flags, emblems or insignia.
Incite means to urge on, stimulate or prompt action.
Hatred is an extreme or intense dislike or detestation.
Contempt is the attitude that someone is worthless or of little account, that involves looking down upon or treating that person as inferior.
Ridicule is to make fun of, deride or laugh at."
I think when you apply the above definition to some of the comments here.....plus the article.....it seems clear that the article is vilifying religions as are a lot of comments...
You must be fun at parties Brutus.
burleigh , WTF has a party to do with Religious vilification ?
Brutus, have a read of this link.
https://www.humanrights.vic.gov.au/for-individuals/racial-and-religious-...
According to the law, I doubt that the satirical piece in question would be deemed vilification.
overthefalls , had a quick read , and as always what you call satirical could be interpreted as
severe ridicule which incites contempt , revulsion , hatred?
might be interesting to send the article and comments to the human rights. Vic .gov.au for comment??
The legal definition is behaviour that “incites hatred, serious contempt, revulsion or severe ridicule” for a person or group of people, because of their race or religion.
Send it, Brutus. I’d be interested in their response.
overthefalls.....maybe you could do it just so you could get clarification?
Brutus, I’m sure they have far more serious cases to deal with. Have a closer read of the legal definition in the link I sent you. I think the closest the satirical piece comes to vilification is “severe ridicule”, although severity is highly subjective.
I’m surprised swellnet published this tbh.
Surely you knew what the comments section would turn into…
Alfred Wallace are you related to a guy called hutchy? Because you’re fast becoming his replacement on here.
And then you get the religious morons just innocently throwing out comments like the old “so is swellnet guilty of religious vilification”
Yeah this is going to end well!
Well, to an extent, yeah...but I'm taken aback at the vehemence.
By nature, I lean towards irreverence, I don't think I have any truly fixed beliefs, and I also think laughing at yourself is a healthy pasttime, so I carry a sense that people do the same. Clearly, that's incorrect. I mean, invoking the Religious Vilification Act? And by email I've also been caused an out and out racist for publishing it.
Without meaning to invoke the old chestnut about 'some of my best friends are black/gay/Christian etc etc', a good friend of mine started Christian Surfers - the whole international CS show is his doing. Swellnet rents office space off Christian Surfers, as we have done for the last ten years. In fact, I'm sitting here now, and I'll be going to one of BD's talks this Tuesday.
I posted the article from 'God', knowing there may be some furrowed brows and headshakes from that crew, but also fairly safe in the knowledge that they would understand the target.
Just wish other people would too.
Can't believe anyone would bring up law with this. WTF is going on?
Exactly ;)
So is the law wrong or SN and it's religious vilifiers wrong?
Haha ;)
Not the christian nutters ?
Coz of the evidence… and the facts ;)
jelly...can you actually comment on the facts of the law , then apply to the article and comments?
Dear God, you really do know how to create a shit storm down here, when really all surfers should know, like Descartes says above 'to catch a wave is to worship you'.
That said bothering you in public is like watching monkeys masturbating at the zoo.
It's hard to see a point to all this but if I can take anything away from this convo I now have a good reason to hate Beachgrit
standingleft, perhaps you can tell us about your experiences watching monkeys masturbating at the zoo.....??
It looks just like you, here.
Thx VONNIE my thoughts exactly. In fact I try not to watch but some things can't be unseen, like some fuckwits on here flogging themselves, relentlessly.
Of course that would excite you ;)
Brutus you really are showing your christian tendencies and desires…
Oh. But your attempt at humour/ satire is ok ;)
Cooking on high now ;)
jelly, are you able to comment on the discussion at hand....are you guilty of religious vilification under Australia's current laws?
If you think you are not guilty...please explain via the definitions that I have posted?
Brutus, if a religion is a belief system, then am I guilty of vilification if I ridicule flat-earthers?
we are trying to discuss what religious vilification is according to the law of the land......and that there is a pretty clear definition of what that is....flatearthers have no context in this discussion!
Maybe you would like to comment on ....maybe the Laws wrong...if so why?
Has anyone read Salman Rushdie’s The Satanic Verses? Some muslims felt so vilified by this piece of satirical literature that they issued a fatwa. However, the law had no problem with it.
Gentlemen for your Perusal
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/12351?page=3
Was that before Brutus/sharkman found god?
How’s the filthy racist comments from him on that thread…
Being a child rapist is a white mans disease?
Surely god wouldn’t approve of one of his followers talking like that…
Wonder if Brutus read the article somebody posted yesterday about the sick practices of the Afghan warlords sexual enslavement of young boys. I don’t think they are white men.
What a ridiculous thing to say.
Gee Udo.......are you white ?
what a great bit of trolling by sharkman......but some very relevant comments defending whiteness and just wondering if you would repost my comments to you about splitting altar boys......c'mon udo, don't be shy ??
Ahh so just trolling was it Brutus?
That’s a pathetic reply, as expected from a hypocrite
ah goofy....trolling whatever , what would you like me to reply.......that paedophilia is a white mans disease,LOL???
Why are LOLing. That was your ridiculous claim in 2019.
Because he knows as much as he likes to portray the new holier than thou persona, he’s a fake.
A fraud.
Who used to get off on saying shit like that regularly.
And he’s got no other comeback than LOL.
Like I said, pathetic..
goofy one minute you are laughing at Jesus/God/Christian jokes........udo makes a joke about splitting altar boys .............so lets make some jokes about whites being the source of paedophilia and how white colonialism spread the disease ??
No I didn’t. Show me where I was laughing.
You’re just making shit up now
seeds, why is it ridiculous , paedophilia was imported into Australia by white colonialists......and here we are today still talking about the causes and affects .......LOL!
Was it now? Are you all there?
Brutus, that's a disgusting reply. There are people that have commented here that they suffered abuse at the hands of the church.
so when Udo makes a joke about splitting altar boys that's OK?
when you make a joke about Christians is that OK ?
when you make a joke about other peoples beliefs at their expense is that OK.......???
Great perusal, udo. Thanks for posting that.
I’m struggling to see how an article that takes the piss out thanking God in post heat interviews during a surfing competition qualifies as religious vilification.
However, it seems to me the author contextualises Christianity from a broad European perspective. Given the targets of the author’s satire are Brazilians, I would have expected the contextual framing to be less general, and specifically targeted at the role of Christianity in South America.
I suspect for many Brazilians, giving thanks to God for some good fortune in life would be the most mundane and everyday occurrence. Unremarkable, and hardly worth comment.
I think the author, in ignoring the specific context, is attributing characteristics to the ‘Devout Brazilian Roman Catholic Surfers’’, that are, at best, gross exaggerations - ie lack of humility and total self absorption. I would even suggest that the author goes so far as to manufacture their own target for their satirical purpose.
In terms of Woz surfing as spectator sport, the rise of the Brazilians has been a Godsend. Part of their appeal for the spectator of Anglo European heritage is that, in a world fast becoming generic, they display some distinct cultural characteristics.
I think them invoking God in post heat interviews or on social media is just that – no big thing, just part of their life (I certainly haven’t seen anything to suggest they resemble avaricious proselytising politicised Evangelicals) - and I wouldn’t want them to change. Nor should they be told to.
It’d be good if someone from Brazil could chime in here and give their take on how this stuff is seen over there.
Ohhhhh what a nice god.
Why did he forget about the millions of abused children at the hand of his men and billions of poor sick/diseased children around the world though?
Gabby is coming back for G-land, so in my mind, there must be a God.
Now surely that's something we can all celebrate together. Minus the thanking god part for a perfect left hander that is paid for by WSL
Hellelujah, best surfer in the world is back.
Best competitive surfer but I’d favour JJF as all round best surfer. Big wave, style etc. Subjective I guess much like the craziness of this thread and differing opinions.
Yeah, not sure why this thread has been aired. Each to their own I would have thought. The Brazilians that I have met on surf trips to Indo and in my my local community are good people. They are very Catholic no doubt, but also very passionate and culturally rich. Don't think the world needs more ridicule and hate, there is far too much already, kinda sad to have to see in Swellnet forums too.
Knew this was going to blow up.
Pro tip:
It is not religious vilification under Australian Law.
It is art.
It is excepted under the Act.
It is also quite funny and satire aimed at ridiculous Pro's not people's beliefs.
Lighten the fuck up.
Amen
Adam12. Protip.....please explain?
So art being self expression .....now that's pretty good......so would a painting of a blackfella doggy dooring a white colonialist , with a caption......." at least whites are good for something?" now would you find that funny ?
Art and humour is subjective, brutus.
I wouldn’t get offended by a “of a blackfella doggy dooring a white colonialist , with a caption......." at least whites are good for something?”
furthermore
Yeah, that has humorous and artistic merit.
Art and humour are subjective that's why there are laws which try and interpret the subjectiveness......and just so you know there are still a lot of blackfellas who actually ponder ...has white man contributed anything since they arrived here except raping and pillaging the people and the land?
Aborigines in this country have many valid grievances.
But….. that is irrelevant to this thread.
Not when you consider the Racial and Religious vilification laws?
Many nations and populations around the world ponder has introduced religion contributed anything since introduced….but no doubt, as you are team religion there are no fucks given.
(Even though this is way off topic) Do you know anyone who’s made a good living from white mans products or perhaps even made themselves a legend from shaping white mans products like say, surfboards? Maybe they’ve travelled in white mans’ “vehicles” to places like France, Hawaii, Indonesia, and all over Australia to further their career or even enjoy surfing on foam and resin which are of course white mans contributions. Have they made themselves a online presence using white mans technology?
It might not be seen as a good contribution but it’s a contribution that I reckon you might have taken advantage of a few times over the years.
You are right about one thing. It’s all subjective.
They might be pondering but I’m sure you could tell them the benefits of white mans contributions to your life.
This is excellent ;);)
ha , was wondering when the ol chestnut would be dragged up.......which really has nothing to do with what we are discussing........unless of course you would like to read about "how the Bible created the soul of Western Civilization , by Vishal Mangalwadi "........How the Bible transformed the social, political and religious institutions which have sustained western culture for the past millennium and how now secular corruption endangers the the stability and longevity of our current civilization.
yes White colonialism has affected all our lives....but I am not racist against white people or any people for that matter....Australians are indigenous/Anglo saxon/Chinese/Lebanese/Greek/Italian/ etc.....all good moving forward all of us are Australians....all of us are God's children.
What could be more subjective and less artistic than belief, Brutus?
Still waiting on that back order. Shouldn't you be at work?
now there's an interesting point to discuss ...is belief subjective or objective ?
https://www.debate.org/debates/Belief-is-Subjective/1/...some very good points from both sides for and against.....
as far as art and belief go.......Christians have faith in a God who is driven by love to communicate with his people and draw them into a relationship of love (Hebrews 1:1). The Bible is the story of that communication through creation, through events in history, through the prophets, and finally through the coming of the person of Jesus (John 3:16).
In Jesus the invisible God became visible. God took on human form and lived among us. He knew family life and friendship (Luke 10:38-42), grief (John 11:35) and tiredness. When Jesus’s disciple Philip asked what God was like, he replied, “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9).
That communication continues through the Holy Spirit and through the Bible. God used material things to communicate: creation, events, writing, people. Artists reflect a little of that process by making their invisible beliefs, thoughts, and feelings visible in paint, stone, fabric, and glass.
I am at work always......I have no backorders....LOL!
Christians don’t seem to be able to laugh at themselves…way too serious and way to self important.
Lost it!
Storm meet teacup.
Brutus, only meant that I am qualified in Law.
"There are some exceptions in the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act that mean behaviour is not vilification when it is:
reasonable, or undertaken for discussion, reporting or as part of an artistic work
for a genuine academic, artistic, religious or scientific purpose, or any purpose in the public interest
meant to be private, that is, seen and heard only by them."
That's the law.
Remember "Pissed Christ"?
Offensive to Christians, but art.
hmm , pissed Christ?...........please explain ?
S0 in your definition.........from the RRTA.......how would you interpret " meant to be private?" also how would you define ridicule??
Virgin in a condom.
Lot’s of triggered catholics.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/capital-life/67466278/virgin-in-a-...
pretty wild RK...so which bit did you like? "The real tragedy of the Madonna in a condom, of course, is that the artist's father didn't use one," Wilf Tunney of Nelson wrote.".....???
Gold ;)
Here is proof of the existence of god.
NITV
channel 34
7.30 pm
''The Beaver Whisperers''
Hello monkeys, I'm new here. Love your circle jerk! Where do you keep the lube?
In an earlier post brutus tried to explain that he wasn’t defending his faith…
The question was then posed as to what it is he’s actually doing here if it is NOT that…
The response from brutus:
‘what am I doing here , trying to understand the people who are lost and do not have any clear hopes for the future....’
Ok. So…. Do you fully understand yourself brutus? ;) And… what is the difference between a ‘lost’ person and you ? ;)
Also… as your statement is full of wild conclusions and false judgement, could you atleast explain and define your supposed ‘clear’ hopes for the future ?
How are you so sure your assessment of others, let alone the future, is even accurate or based in reality ? Is it an illusion ? ;)
It’s actually a bit bizarre you can assume to try understand a false premise that you are clearly choosing to project on others ?? Do you understand that ? ;)
How sad and presumptuous…
Have you even considered you may be one of the people you are describing ?
Is it possible ? ;) That would be awkward ;);)
The hypocrisy and overblown sensitivity on display shows you to be not only insincere but also quite unbalanced - how arrogant and obnoxious to pretend that part of your purpose in this life is to go on a thread, then try and assume you know others and then attempt to judge them according to how you don’t actually understand them! ;);)
Wow. You certainly got some idle time on ya hands ;) What a hoot ! And you’re the happiest you’ve ever been ;) …must’ve really trawled the depths ay !
Confusion. Contradiction. Delusion.
;);)
jelly you could become the lord of the rhetorical question ......statement/question then your judgement....but as we are having so much fun in this discussion.........I'll have a crack at some of your questions and premises.........remember it's not about me even though you would like it to be...it's about the article and the comments and are your religiously vilifying ????
I know you like to personalise the discussion as that's the easy way out , judging me and therefore judging my beliefs...
So the difference between myself and someone who is lost...I accept and believe that " God sent his son into the World , not to judge but to save the World through him " John 3: 17NLT... without this acceptance and belief you are lost to a sad secular world....
Clear hope for the future is to believe that with God we are better people and will have a better society based on the Teachings in the Gospels which Jesus taught us...love /peace/joy......hmmm there's a thought!
I am not trying to project anything onto you that's your interpretation and that's why you keep asking me personal questions and try to ridicule what I am saying which is simply quoting Biblical scripture....don't shoot the messenger comes to mind?
why do you even bother to come on here and try and attack beliefs through ridicule and personal insults? Are you lost , are you threatened , are you searching for something that your current life can't provide.....are your beliefs questionable.......?????
So where's the Hypocrisy/arrogance when you seem to like the negative narrative of you are right and therefore I am wrong ?
Confusion/contradiction/delusion are the traits of the secular world that we all now live in.....where's your hope for the future???
bless me father for I have Sind , dropped in a kook , and pulled in .
http://sites.vmi.edu/brumettdl15/2015/02/05/piss-christ-a-brief-backgrou...
thanx Udo, never heard of the Piss Christ , especially as an art piece...seems subjective whether its art.......but when you consider the treatment of Jesus Christ , in that he was imprisoned , beaten/whipped/mocked and eventually nailed to a cross where he died in agony...I can understand how some people would be very upset but also understand the Art side...bit like passion of the Christ my Mel Gibson...
In my life I have been at different stages both quite religious and also very close to atheism only a few years ago. I have experienced some of the views to a greater or lesser extent that have been shared. What I know is that life can really humble you. It did me. I have learned that grace and forgiveness are the keys to life. Blessings to everyone and I would like to thank Swellnet for putting all kinds of different articles up. It is good to read articles like this and also like the Rusty Moran article from a few years ago on the same website. I'm looking forward to Margs, hoping for a Jack Robbo win, a good showing from both JJF and the GOAT, and for Jadson Andre to get fully barrelled at the Box to make up for his wipeout last time :)
I haven’t had to scroll so far down a swellnet page since Greg Webber last teased us with an idea about a land locked surf destination.
Comparisons between GW and GOD are welcome
It's even funny the 2nd time
Brutus, sorry my cut and paste was a bit confusing, it is meant to list the exceptions as line a), b) and c) not to be read as a paragraph if you get my meaning. And thanks Udo, it was "Piss Christ" not "Pissed". Art or Religious/Racial Vilification is a contentious issue, as the comments BTL here show. Too touchy for me so I'm out. I thought the piece was well written, funny and not really offensive but everyone has their own take on things.
adam12, no drama's , learnt from what you posted and had an interesting 15 mins reading the positives and negatives.......and yeah a lot of what we are discussing is "touchy" as are a lot of issues confronting us all........that's why trying to have a civil discussion about issues racial/religious/political is so important where we all learn something.....as I have this morning......if we can't talk/discuss contentious issues well where are we headed as a society....more division and fragmentation as a future?
That is to good
what a load of shite the surf must be bad ...
Why would make fun of someone's religion?
What a Pro Surfer does spiritually is no one's business but his / her own & good on the Surfer for acknowledging a higher power that enabled him her to be in such a position.
Surfing such a great sport is also IMO also one of the most selfish but it doesn't have to be . Maybe if we followed the Christian commandments life would be so much more enjoyable both in & out of the water . Try it and reap the rewards .
For the Doubting Thomas's out there of which there are many ,
Brutus says:
‘without this acceptance and belief you are lost to a sad secular world....’
And then proudly exclaims :
‘Confusion/contradiction/delusion are the traits of the secular world that we all now live in.....’
Brutus pls don’t try lump us all in the ‘we’ bracket ;)
Your statements above refer only to your personal perception. This reflects your state of mind ;)
‘We’ all don’t live in this place that you are trying to describe …
Good luck to you brutus. There is nothing personal being aimed at you.
Have you been on ya walk yet ? ;);)
Or maybe just still talkin the talk ;)
OK Jelly , yes I have a personal perception of the current state of the world.....we /me / you live in world where the Environment is still being trashed , where economies are staying afloat because we keep printing money, equality is now a thing of the past as the haves get more the have nots have less and then we still need our energy from fossil fuels , as wind/solar/renewables are part of the tokenism we accept of working towards a better future......really?
So the facts of the current state of our society , brings me to well how do you see the future and can you comment on how you see the current state of the world and why you are so optimistic about where we are headed?
Reposting this to highlight the bullshit you make up and the words you try put in people’s mouths in an attempt to serve your self agenda ;)
brutus the liar proudly states :
‘So you have faith that there is no God , therefore you qualify as being a religion, which is based on your faith , LOL!
Then you go , LOL, maybe God did write the article,,,,,really Jelly......LOL??’
Now… listen up ;)
When did I ever say I have faith there is no god ?… When ? ;);)
…assumption, fantasy and illusion.
Brutus you are a serial keyboard pest. It’s clear you are not well. Pls try understand you don’t answer questions directly. You deflect and make shit up ;)
You continually accuse ppl of stuff and make up falsities they have supposedly said. All because you are a frustrated and delusional old pretender…
There are constant instances of brutus / sharkman providing no actual facts or evidence to any assertions put forward…
So… can you actually prove god didn’t write the article ? ;)
You seem to think you can prove gods words are in the bible tho … ;);)
Nice try.
;) ;) ;)
Not shooting the messenger…
Calling out the messenger’s lies ;)
jelly , getting frustrated and angry serves only your sense of hopelessness in the face of....I am a liar?
So in your opinion what is my self serving agenda?
If you think I am serial keyboard pest , why would you keep coming on here and keep feeding the "pest?"
Can you also please point out all of these so called lies I post as then we could discuss the merits of your accusations......??
What shit do I make up to serve my pesty agenda??
then your lack of any substance , turns to, so I am an old pretender who accuses people of stuff...ah what stuff?
Do you have a problem with older people than yourself perhaps having more experience in life than you , or do you just dislike older people?
when you read my posts do you understand them or just jump to conclusions based on your own personal inadequacies......I mean when you repost..
"‘So you have faith that there is no God , therefore you qualify as being a religion, which is based on your faith , LOL!
Then you go , LOL, maybe God did write the article,,,,,really Jelly......LOL??’
Now… listen up ;)
When did I ever say I have faith there is no god ?… When ? ;);)
…assumption, fantasy and illusion."
seriously Jelly , so do you believe there could be a God?
jelly , I made an assumption based on your post to optimist , who wrote,‘I know Him….I’ve walked and talked with Him for over 40 years…we’ve done amazing things together….He’s a cool person but has His strict ways….people like you will be gone very soon…and that will be a good thing…..Optimist Out.’
Floptimist you don’t know shit and you are a liar and a fraud ;)
Even fake brazo pretenders think it’s nice to hear that Jesus loves u
So Jelly when you call optimist a liar and a fraud because he describes his relationship with God....sure looks like think there is no God....I jumped to the conclusion that you have faith there is no God, therefore under Australian Law you are religious.....unless you forgot to read the Law/interpretation I posted , LOL!
Um… this is why I called optimist a liar and a fraud…
Remember this pearl ;)
It’s from the book of floptimist :
‘There are actually 3 heavens in translation, the sky above is the first, space is the second and planet Heaven the third. ( paul talked about the third heaven) You get to planet heaven after your spirit leaves your body. When you die your spirit descends into the heart of the earth and waits. Then if approved by God you are lifted up and go through the tunnel which is probably like a wormhole in Sci Fi. If unapproved you will wait for judgement but there is no time there so you wouldn't know if you've been there a year or a hundred years. At the end of the tunnel you will be greeted by The Christ Himself in His glorified form and put on planet Heaven, a very beautiful and physical place and in your brand new physical body. Earth will also be renewed after the great tribulation so for a time there will still be two seperate habitations and eventually just one.
It is comforting to know that on my death, my heavenly father will still look after me and guide my spirit or "actual person" through the maze of death and to the renewed and promised life.
Also, If anyone is interested in the time of the end and the mark of the beast etc. I think I can answer that for you, as I have a theory which has been playing out exactly correct over the last few years.’
Any actual truth to this you reckon Brutus or could this lovely fantasy be based on assumptions…. and lies ;);)
It’s not made up right ? ;)
And flopti again… ;);)
‘I'll give you some keys to help unlock things yourselves....This requires some Revelation research and deep thought.
Try and picture the disciple John on a prison Island trying to figure out what Jesus was showing him in the future 2000 years ago with no knowledge of our modern world.
A rough outline but some food for thought.
The first beast is a man empowered by Satan ( from the abyss)
The second empowered by the Vatican . The Vatican (Vaticaanus) means Divining Serpent (from the earth)
The symbols of Satan are the Dragon and the Serpent.
The image of the beast is probably a Quantum computer with A.I. think Skynet. It is given life and also speaks ...A.I. again. and Siri on steroids.
The worlds finance system will be controlled by a global bank using this quantum computer system...a quantum is 100,000,000 times faster than our best now. Just add A.I and you have a real treasure. Google and China already have them.
They are building two giant computers now , one in Brussels for the EU and one in America.
The most corrupt bank on earth is the Deutsche Bank, the biggest bank in Germany and one of in the world with assets of 3 Trillion dollars and is the one that financed the Nazis and sold all the stolen gold from the Jews to finance Hitler. They launder criminal money to this day. Their main share holder is now China (the dragon again) and everyone owes them money.
The swift code for the Deutsche Bank is ...you guessed it 666
Rome and the Vatican sit on 7 hills or mountains
2 of the last 4 popes were Hitler youth.
China the dragon will work with the serpent to bring about a cashless society with a central core and one leader the new anti christ.
The beast will require everyone to be implanted with an RF chip in their right hand or a detailed facial scan"fore head" or they will not be able to trade...Do not get this!
With no cash we will enter into a new age of slavery and the mind programming has already started with the banks and Dept stores selling fear under the covid banner.
The ten kings who give their power to the beast are the new world order which has already been decided by the Club of Rome years ago.
The Club of Rome is a global think tank that has decided to divide the world into 10 financial sectors with 10 leaders (the 10 kings) One of their members is Henry Kissinger who help start the EFTPOS system.
There's more but I'm tired...fact check the lot...sorry to wake you out of your sleepy world but ignorance never ends up bliss.’
Brutus please point out to us all the facts and evidence presented above.
Also can you back it up precisely with how exactly it’s not bs ? ;);)
It kinda sounds like fraudulent lies ;)
Ben and Stu, what's the record for number of comments on a Swellnet article?
Think we've had a few up near 500, the most recent was Steve's article on mid-lengths.
That one got people het up.
Stu. I managed to kill that thread by saying how my wife quite liked riding my mid-length.
Let's hope I can kill this one by saying "people ofthe world relax".
Thanks for the reply.
Too funny… If I had to put money on it I would’ve thought it was one of the shark articles.
God and mid-lengths really get the people going!
582 at 8pm on 26/4/22, it might touch 600 before you lock the comments!
Looking at this article and all these comments I can only assume the surfs been crap and everyone’s bored shirtless
And here are some of your quotes…
Word for word ;)
We’ll done. I’ll let the captive audience make up their own minds about you ;)
‘perhaps you can tell us about your experiences watching monkeys masturbating at the zoo.....??’
‘a painting of a blackfella doggy dooring a white colonialist , with a caption......." at least whites are good for something?" ‘
Good luck to u brutus ;)
JF all those wink emojis in your posts freak the fuck out of me. Kinda like a clown with a constant smile.. Your personal vendetta here is a bit weird.
;-)
I’m finding Brutus’ constant LOLing quite disturbing. Am I reading too much into it?
bd…
Nothin weird bout those Brutus quotes
;);)
Hey JF and Seeds. I'm not sure if you know Brutus personally, but i'm pretty sure that most crew here know who he is. I would suggest that if you don't know him personally but are happy to engage in a bullygirl gang attack on him without putting your own name to your anon online identity, could be considered nothing short of weird, if not weak. So how much do you really stand by your convictions? I'm not religious at all but i back Brutus' conviction and sincerity. I'll happily name myself, will you?
I know who he is. Much respect. I don’t see that anything I’ve said to him as bullying.
Love, respect and humbleness.
These are the traits we can all aspire to.
We all have our own beliefs. So long as those traits are intact, just let it be @seeds.
Whatever floats ya boat bd ;)
Deflection 2.0. No substance. Weak anonymous attacks on people you know by name but won't name yourself. Feel free to name yourself softcock. I will, but can you, or are you just the coward you're portraying yourself to be??
Haha
Off u go tough guy ;)
Don’t trip over ya mangina tho
ahh so too scared to put your name to your comments. Got it.
Right.
Not sure what you're scared of. Why would you be afraid of anything you've ever said online. What a strange fucken thing!! ;-)
Last chance to name yourself, otherwise, shut up. You're a cowardly troll. And like i said. Happy to name myself in return. No stress at all. haha. Why would it be?????
Love. Respect. Humbleness ;)
Doesn’t sound like that’s working out for you…
Deflection...3.0
Hows the way you won't put your name to YOUR VERY OWN WORDS. Come on mate. Don't be a pussy. You've ripped into someone you know. How about you give us all the chance to do the same back? Or would that be an unfair advantage? You've been so vocal in your hatred to one persons beliefs. Lets put you under the microscope. That's fairness right?
Haha you’re trying to rip into me just now u fool ;)
And when has brutus or sharkman or whoever he is put his real name up ?
I don’t know who the fark he is - and whoever he is by actual name doesn’t mean shit to me ;)
Same goes for u princess.
You’re bout as scary as ol blowin ;)
I don’t hate anyone’s personal beliefs.
Enjoy ya typing the big capitals and huffing and puffing away!
U and whatever crew can swing as hard as you want… what was that about you accusing ppl of personal vendettas ? ;)
Be careful what you wish for…
Pot meets kettle ;)
Gee. Deflection 4.0 without a name attached.
Until you put your name to your comments, they have no substance.
So lets go.
What are you scared of? That's what this is all about right? Anonymity and being brave online.
Letttts goo. Fuck i really have nothing to hide behind...but you...it seems you're a little hesitant.
You are....big online troolll....named....???
p.s: There really is no way out of this for you now. You've committed to the convo so follw through like the right moral soldier you proclaim yourself to be. Me, i don't give a fuck. haha
‘Until you put your name to your comments, they have no substance.’
Well atleast you have clarified that your comments have no substance ;)
Thanks for that but it was already clear.
I mean, you follow the same rules you are trying to dish out yeh ? ;)
You know… fairness and all…
and go on… name yourself if that’s what u want ;)
‘Letttts goo’… ha haaaaa
Geez you are scary!
Maybe you’re confused with that kids movie called frozen ;)
Let it gooooooooo ;);)
How’s your personal vendetta goin ?
All good champ. You just framed yourself perfectly. Cheers.
Paul McDiarmid. Why would i be scared to name myself? What a strange fucken world we live in. OK. Go ahead. You were saying?
Um… I was saying I don’t give a shit who you are or what your name is ;);)
Your are starting to look more deranged and stupid than that Brutus guy. Birds of a feather.
Jelly ,ever heard of satire..........or irony.....when someone says they'd rather watch monkeys masturbate....well I can ask ...tell us about your experiences, pretty damn innocent as I did not bring up the monkeys......FFS your comprehension seems a bit off tilt.....
My example relative to the discussion of religious and racial vilification...I use an example that could be offensive to some white fellas......now you try and attack my credibility , by quoting out of context....
seems you can't answer or won;t on your religion , your faith ....and as BD says seems like the Brazzos have upset your personal MO , as have I.......just having a discussion........it is a bit lop sided as what I say here can be used in public against me , whereas you can just continue on being some kinda non descript troll.......but that's fine as we are just discussing issues , where you like to sound off but don't really engage....lack of substance or troll and just need to talk to someone?
It's quite simple really , I have faith in God and Jesus and am willing to discuss subjects/issues that are divisive , polarizing , but how do you ever resolve issues without discussion.....physical violence/ attacking the person when we are talking issues...or try and be civil......this is part of an ongoing change/evolution of society/civilization.......I ahev a long history of burning bridges on all levels....it doesn't work....building bridges and communicating/discussing the issues civilly is the only way forward....we can disagree but still show and give respect so trust is established in any discussions/debates......Jelly you just don't seem predisposed to a rational narrative, just combative for the sake of being combative.....that's a lose /lose !
Not much sense us continuing , as you really don't know or want anything to change your mind on issues , whatever your real position is......
Brutus, demanding answers to his questions. Yet, ignores and refuses to answer questions when he is asked.
Hilarious stuff…extra hilarious is the added “ever heard of satire or irony?”
Extra extra hilarious is “ FFS your comprehension seems a bit off tilt.....”
RK , when have I refused ?
You just can't comprehend the answers , and seem to need to lighten up , at least you are having a laugh , therein lies the comprehension issue.....LOL!
Often, usually when the answer would make you think with a rationale mind. And always when the answer is beyond your standard cut n paste indoctrinated answers.
You are the last person able to have a civil discussion. I’ve tried, you revert to religious yada yada.
well go on ask the questions again?
see I answer, you not happy , so you call answers cut &paste indoctrinated......comprehension can be taught , but first you have to recognize when you ask a rhetorical question , the answer might be outside your comprehension?
A question on religion ,ah, usually you will get, what you call an answer that looks like religious yada yada....all in the eye of the beholder? ,LOL!
Hahahahaha so when old Brutus says anything it’s just satire, but anyone else it’s religious vilification. That’s hilarious.
Massive tool.
goofy perhaps you can't quite grasp differences between vilification and satire.....we did visit what the law says......maybe you just didn't read and comprhend.....no problems /issues here .....so yeah I am a tool , and thankyou for calling me massive tool.....I am blushing at your obvious compliment , have a great Anzac day!
No problems here you reckon?
Seems I’m not the one with comprehension issues Brutus.
Read through everything you’ve written on this thread again and have a think if you’ve got any problems.
well goofy , that's what we have been doing here for awhile......writing/answering questions , discussing different points of view ........so you think I have problems , fair enough ,I do!
But as I have said , anything I say here can be used against me in public , so I have to answer knowing my comments are public , whereas you don't....you can snipe/say anything and there are no repercussions for you.....LOL!
Do you ever shutup?
haha...well stop asking questions , LOL!
Brutus, I have no idea who you are, but obviously people here do so I commend you for speaking your mind knowing this. It’s very easy to hide behind an alias and talk shit (I’m very guilty)
I don’t agree with your god stuff but I’ll make sure to give you more respect.
P.S who are you? Haha
Burleigh , my name is Maurice Cole , am old/ fossilized but still surf and make the odd surfboard......in the past I have been one of the most aggro posters on here, attack was my mode of offense is the best form of defence........now I try and respect everyone , listen /discuss ...build bridges don't burn them.....
Thanks Brutus, I’ve definitely thrown shit at you for the religious stuff anonymously and you’ve taking the time to reply without too much heat, so I gotta respect that.
Don’t know how you do it, especially being deep in the industry, but good on ya.
What I miss?
haha!
Nothing that hasn't been covered in the last 2000 plus years and over 200 or so wars. But feel free to comment!! Might make a difference!
Is this the point where SN comments jumped the shark.
God is not pleased.
Don’t you ever check your egos in at the door? Some embarrassing comments made. Just surf.
Racist garbage. The Brazilians are kicking the Aussies butts. The white boy club are having a laugh at their culture to make themselves feel better.
We need someone to say it’s misogynistic …..then lets also call it ageist.
RUOK?
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Bunch of snowflakes. Lighten up, it is just an article. Have some sense of humour. it is amazing how people get hook, line and sink from the usual trolls.
Great article.
I just wish people would have these after-party conversations in the "Real-World".
Seems to me there would be a quick fist-fight and it would be over with immediately, instead of clogging up the internet with 'Are you trying to start a fight?"
.......or possibly due to these conversations happening eye-to-eye, people would show a bit more tact and respect to each other?
Chill out everyone!
They say that when you die you become closer to God.
Because you no longer fucking exist, right?
When Christians die they become closer to God.......but as your religion and faith is , "there is no God"........if you are so sure why come on here and attack those who have another faith/religion that's different to yours ?
Happy Anzac day!
After a bit of thought, I really do think that words like attack and vilification are an over-reach when talking about this piece above.
According to law, the definition of vilification is behaviour that “incites hatred, serious contempt, revulsion or severe ridicule” for a person or group of people, because of their race or religion.
Pretty hard to see how this applies to this light-hearted bit of writing.
AndyM.....all in the interpretation......I threw up vilification as a discussion point , as severe ridicule seemed to be present.....attack is about the attacks Optimist and I cop on a personal level......which in turn means attacking out beliefs.....as for revulsion , inciting hatred, serious contempt, there seems to be people on here that don't understand what they are saying and how their comments can be translated into insults/attacks etc...
As you know of me personally...you would know I can take most of what's said on here and I am not worried about correcting peoples view of myself when they cross a line and make up shit or regurgitate old stories about me......
If you see how I am in and out of SN....just had Covid for a week....tore my foot open surfing last week, so can't even surf at the moment.....don't worry as soon as I surf /Travel again....will be gone....just got a bit bored and where better to come, but SN and visit some of the old crusty Swellians....LOL!
Quick. Victim card. Flog
it really makes me wonder , that in my younger years ...did you get sent in?
Are you really a victim of your comments on here.....a quick flogging might be the right thing for you, so then you could claim you lived and died like Jesus?
any chance you could ask me those questions again.....or have you forgotten what you asked me?
How's your religious Monday going, LOL!
Wouldn't be a lawyer out there who'd take your case on, and if they did it'd get laughed out of court.
Remember a while back we talked about religion supposedly instilling humility and perspective?
That is exactly what this piece is on about i.e."Has your virtuosity on a wave somehow magnified your virtue of prayer, and mysteriously unlocked a clear line of comms to the Divine?"
You could insert whatever you want instead of "virtuosity on a wave".
Don't you think this call for humility and perspective is far from being an attack and is actually a pretty reasonable thing to lay on the table?
No vilification and more of a gentle nudge than an attack.
“as for revulsion , inciting hatred, serious contempt, there seems to be people on here that don't understand what they are saying and how their comments can be translated into insults/attacks etc...”
Kind of like when you all criticise and condemn and judge homosexuality.
You really are too stupid to see how you do everything you say others do to you.
Bloody good point.
In my book, calling homosexuality an abomination in the eyes of god or whatever, is way worse than an article mocking surfers who credit god for their success.
AndyM , c'mon you can do better than just making up shit to support your discussion with me!
Sound familiar Andrew :
It is clear in the Bible that homosexuality is abnormal and marriage under Christian/Biblical principles therefore is not permitted!
So abomination does not = abnormal , or as I said anomaly........my point was that Homosexuality is not considered the "norm" of society ......I personally have many Gay friends , have sponsored Gay people .
Mate there you go again, giving yourself away.
In fact, homosexuality is totally normal.
It might be in the minority but it's totally normal.
You claim that you try not to judge people but you're kidding yourself unfortunately.
when have I ever condemned, criticized and judged homsexuality........c'mon genius , as I am too stupid to know ??
Hows your worship monday going.....and sign of those questions ??
Apart from what Udo said above, there was the time you said you get along with gay people because, basically, they know their place when they're around you.
I have clearly said that I have Gay friends , just as I have friends who are Secular Humanists /atheists.......I try not to judge anyone........
brutus, do you think homosexuality is a choice or are you are born gay?
Can a gay person become hetrosexual?
Do you agree with what the bible says about homosexuality?
Still waiting for an answer, brutus.
what does the Bible say about homosexuality ?
brutus, do you think homosexuality is a choice or are you are born gay?
Can a gay person become hetrosexual?
Do you agree with what the bible says about homosexuality?
I think "God" is the sum total of all life in the universe which is all connected by a force or energy we are yet to understand. Our planet Earth with its combined billions of souls is like a living entity and a small part of this universal power. The way society is heading and embracing selfish hedonistic pursuits with no respect for others means this overall force is negative which means Satan is running the show. The Bible is like a book of guidelines to stop us animals from killing each other, all Jesus said was for everyone to love each other, sounds good to me. Funny article though I got a laugh.
The author threw a grenade into the room and closed the door and walked away.
What the responses to this article show is what a bunch of messed up people walk around in our community.
Many talk of worldwide issues and how terrible they are but are no better themselves fanning the fire of disrespect and hate and divisiveness Right here on our doorstep. The exact ones who are the problem in the line up and hassle, abuse and threaten kids, females, and anyone who looks at “their wave” but have the audacity to write comments like “people have a tendency to try tell others what they can and cannot do, whilst at the same time being immune to the conditions and rules themselves. “
And they talk of hypocrisy! Wow!
This is the most disappointing and saddening article published by SN I’ve come across. Why and how sports persons and indeed most of the planet’s population acknowledge ‘God’ in their context is a great topic that had the potential for decent and respectful dialogue between people on SN who may hold different viewpoints with the opportunity to learn from each other, foster understanding, and mutual edification.
Yet, from the way the article was written, it makes we wonder what the writer was trying to achieve. I ask the writer, what were you trying to achieve? If it was respectful dialogue, I don’t think this was achieved and if it was just for laughs then I find it hard to believe that taking the piss out of people and their dearest beliefs is fair game. The question of religious vilification is fair to bring up.
If the writer is really interested in the topic, why not write a respectful closed letter to the Brazilians concerned, hopefully hear their perspective, and then report back to SN with their responses and giving SN readers the opportunity to respond and share their perspectives also? As it is, the surfers referred to in the article have been by-passed and all hell broke loose. Or was that the purpose? Is SN only interested in how many comments people are making on their articles? I’ve appreciated some great respectful discussion threads on SN in the past but not this one. This one was pretty disgraceful I reckon.
Happy Anzac day folks, a time to celebrate those who sacrificed their lives for our freedom just as was celebrated recently during Easter when Christ sacrificed his life for our freedom now and into eternity.
“ Happy Anzac day folks, a time to celebrate those who sacrificed their lives for our freedom just as was celebrated recently during Easter when Christ sacrificed his life for our freedom now and into eternity.”
Yeah kinda, except one of those things actually 100% happened and the other one is ahhhh you know, a made up fairytale…
how do you know what happened , were you there?
or do you have faith that what you have read is true?
fk off idiot
Goofy , is that it ? Fuck off because you cannot backup what you say ??
I mean it's just a forum , are you unable to answer a simple question how do you know what you have read is true , because you are not sure?
Hi goofyfoot, the three historical facts that Christianity is based on is that Jesus lived, died and rose again, celebrated at Christmas and Easter. With about a 1/3 of the globe's population claiming to follow Jesus and a dating system derived from Jesus' birth, it's a big claim to dismiss Christ sacrificing his life as a fairytale. I'm not sure how much you have looked into it but can i suggest a couple of resources to explore including The Christ Files by John Dickson and The Evidence That Demands A Verdict: Life-changing Truth For A Skeptical World by Josh McDowell.
Thanks luke37, I appreciate the effort in suggesting some reading but I'll respectfully pass on that thanks. Have a good one.
the three historical facts that Christianity is based on is that Jesus lived, died and rose again..
Actually, not a fact. That’s a made up story.
Fact = it is impossible to die and then come back to life.
You say it's a made up story , the whole basis of Christianity is the resurrection of Christ........it's a bit like you accepting Anzac day as true because you read it .........
You really are a moron. It would be hard to find a more stupid post from you than this beauty.
And stupid posts are your specialty.
haha RK , so why is it stupid?...rhetorical question......because you don't know the subject matter and can't comment with any real arguments or question the actual issues........just get personal , which is actually an admission you can't back up your opinion with...anything other than insults,LOL!!!
luke37...what a nice summation of the article and yeah bit sad that some of the commentary here gets pretty angry/disrespectful and also the personal taunts show the level of some peoples inbred prejudice's.....it's like looking into a past portal of disrespect/distrust which does not have a real logical basis of belief/faith!
Haha this is quite entertaining;)
- ‘real’ and ‘logical’ in the same sentence as belief/faith !
Comprehension 101 ;);)
It saddens me to read such a negative article. Tall poppy syndrome meets cynical materialistic thinking. All the tropes of the midwit athiest dispelling their own brain-dead misunderstandings of religion, one straw man at a time. To what end?
Perhaps if the author had some love for God they wouldn't have felt the need to put out this negativity. Maybe they can learn a thing or two from the Brazillians. Or perhaps learn about love from Jesus himself. God willing..
Oh. How sad you are saddened…
That is your choice ;)
You create your feelings - the ‘negative’ identification is an invention of your own doing….
- A silly and weak emotive reaction to a very skilful and cheeky satirical piece…
You don’t know if the author does or doesn’t have love for god ;)
And if you do think they need to learn from jesus - maybe before you pass judgement attempt to atleast engage your own sense of love and forgiveness as that is what Jesus would encourage ;)
You are just trying to enhance your suffering and inflate the religious persecution complex ;)
God surely must have a sense of humour - after all, he made ppl like you ;);)
jelly ..as you can see and read here , there are people who don't agree with your summation of the article,"You create your feelings - the ‘negative’ identification is an invention of your own doing….
- A silly and weak emotive reaction to a very skilful and cheeky satirical piece…"
Just because you see it as satire , some of us don't and lot of people would disagree with your conclusions....but to call people silly/weak/emotive really highlights your lack of knowledge on the subject and lack of respect for other peoples opinions.......no persecution complex.......
our whole civilization has learnt from Jesus the Bible ...
Um… I’m not ‘seeing’ it as satire.
And it’s not a ‘conclusion’ ;)
If you are unable to understand that it IS satire, well….. god help u ! ;);)
Feel free to answer this question tho ;)
Yay ;) question time…
Q. Who is it exactly that creates your feelings ?
Or this…
Q. How is this piece not satire ?
The wheels aren’t exactly spinning too well for you brutus ;)
But you’re still here spinning your shit - and pretending to think you know what
you are saying…
‘our whole civilization has learnt from Jesus the Bible ...’
- really ? And who’s whole civilization is that precisely?
It is okay to disagree. I’m ok with that ;)
It is you who has an obvious disdain and ‘a lack of respect for peoples opinions’ - have a good look at your posts…
And it might be a brave step for you (yet inconceivable) to wonder who actually creates and chooses your feelings / impulses / reactions if it isn’t you ? ;);)
But yeh ;)
Carry on
jelly, it's not just me that see's the article as divisive and on the verge of religious vilification...there are enough people that have come on here to say they find the article offensive......you call it Satire , as a way of playing down the negative reactions and comments.......that's why we are discussing is there a place for this type of divisive dialogue?
I have posted an excellent book , based on facts...written by an Indian Intellectual , Vishal Mangalwadi...." the Book that made your World or How the Bible created the soul of Western Civilization.......I know you would never read it so I'll run you through what he found studyingthe affects the Bible has had on your life and lifestyle today....
What triggered the Wests passion for scientific, medical and technological advancement.....
How the Biblical notion of human dignity informs the West's social structure and how it intersects with other World views
How the Bible created fertile ground for women to find social and economic empowerment
How the Bible has uniquely equipped the west to cultivate compassion, human rights, prosperity and strong families.
the role of the Bible in the transformation of education
How the modern literary notion of a hero has been shaped by the Bibles archetypical protagonist..
reading this book , shows the positive affects of the Bible on how you live today!
What an absolute load of shit.
With a bit of racism thrown in as well.
You go big fella!
see Andy......I post a book and it's factual foundation.........your argument point of view , is , "it's a load of shit with racism thrown in as well.........really sad you can reject something you know nothing about .....as you cannot post an argument , just knee jerk emotion based on your intellect/secular beliefs?
@Brutus
"I have posted an excellent book , based on facts...written by an Indian Intellectual , Vishal Mangalwadi...." the Book that made your World or How the Bible created the soul of Western Civilization....."
Factual foundation?
You can't be serious, you must be trolling.
"What triggered the Wests passion for scientific, medical and technological advancement....."
Brutus, the West had to reject religious dogma so as to progress scientifically - religion held back science for thousands of years and continues to do so.
We've been through this before.
The Enlightenment was the key to moving towards separating church and state and instead obtaining reason by means of evidence as opposed to pure belief.
"How the Bible has uniquely equipped the west to cultivate compassion, human rights, prosperity and strong families."
Uniquely equipped? That pong in the air surrounding that comment is the whiff of racism.
"the role of the Bible in the transformation of education"
Really? See "enlightenment".
"How the Bible created fertile ground for women to find social and economic empowerment"
You're fucking kidding.
I hope you're trolling otherwise it's quite sad for you.
If you're serious, I'd say your intellectual capabilities are up there with a parsnip.
Well said andym …
I thought brutus was more just a potato head but yeh parsnip intellectual sounds very appropriate;)
After all… there is evidence jesus’ earthly dad had the ‘pa-snip’ - otherwise dear mary wouldn’t have been able to immaculately conceive.
Facts ;)
Andy - Even you have to concede that organised religion has contributed to the great technological leaps enjoyed in the west. Where would the state of torture devices be languishing still if it wasn’t for the Spanish Inquisition?
Nor should we ever forget to be grateful for God’s emissaries on Earth for their global leadership in the pure science of tax evasion.
How else would the Hawaiians ever become aware that surfing was sinful without the kindly guidance from the learned brethren?
A lot to admire!
Um…..
About those questions… ;)
You didn’t / couldn’t answer them ;);)
They are simple questions, a simple answer should suffice. What the fark don’t you get about it ? ;);)
Maybe listening… considering… and even contemplating something and then being able to answer using content from your own brain and direct life experience may work ;) …you never know!
You might not need a farkn book to try and translate what you obviously can’t explain clearly for yourself ;)
I’m not demanding any answers… I’m asking you why you can’t actually answer in a direct and practical way - according to you ;) I’m guessing/hoping you still have that capability - maybe not tho ?
I didn’t ask vishal mangalwadi to explain anything here. And what he explains is only partially accurate yet thought provoking… However, I asked you if you are responsible and accountable for your own thoughts, feelings and emotions ;)
If you don’t know - it’s ok to say you don’t know. Not knowing is not a sin ;)
So…
Q. Who creates your feelings / impulses / reactions ?
And :
Q. How is the piece not satire ?
-brutus boldly claims :
‘you call it Satire , as a way of playing down the negative reactions and comments.......’
Um… no…. I call it satire because it is clearly written tongue in cheek and the content is silly and clearly a bit of fun. Do you get that bit ? ;)
It is an observation of what is actually written in the piece - not what comments are there in response to it !
The negative ‘reactions’ are from negative people who feed their own negative emotions and pretend someone is enforcing those feelings upon them ;);) As I’ve stated before - a belief is not based in reality and will often allow a person to create a negative state when that belief ultimately clashes with reality … it is an inevitability ;)
Be accountable for how you feel, take responsibility for your choices and (wait for it)… try engage some self control ;)
You apply the meaning because you have a fixed position / bias according to your interpretation of what god is…
You actually call it vilification as a means to deflect your own misery / outrage and this is created by you - influencing and driving your internal state. Don’t try blame others or an ‘author’ or whoever for you incorrectly perceiving something for what it is - as then your demeanour / character is simply at the mercy of an outside source ;)
You get that ? ;);)
And that is probably not conducive to experiencing and exhibiting respect, humility, openness and a willingness to learn and grow…
You search for outrage, search for victim status, inflate the hysteria about your interpretation of the secular world and spend an enormous amount of time and energy reinforcing that you have the ‘answers’ and the ‘facts’ and the ‘evidence’ ;) …
You could always just exclaim that it is god that makes you feel a certain way… ay ;);)
Is god really doing the doing tho ? ;)
Or just feeding the delusion and reinforcing the fantasy ? ;);)
.
Only just saw this from Saturday
Brutus said :
Gee Udo.......are you white ?
what a great bit of trolling by sharkman......but some very relevant comments defending whiteness and just wondering if you would repost my comments to you about splitting altar boys......c'mon udo, don't be shy ??
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Yes i Identify as White...
Are you White ? .... how do you Identify in 2022 ??
I am Australian , and a child of God......so you are white ...is that it?
Not really
i answered your Question...please answer mine ..
Udo ....I answered , I could say all sorts of things where I relate to indigenous Australians , Chinese , but don't like the colonial era consciousness which seems to be SN's MO..... so I am Australian which includes all ethnic races....and more importantly I now see my self as one of Gods children....so I don't get hung up on all the racial shit..
No you have not Answered my Question..
so clarify what you want?
Going to leave this here to reiterate:
The Brazilians are kicking the Aussies butts. The white boy club are having a laugh at their culture to make themselves feel better.
Very true indeed.
Bugger, Tatiana got done by Isabella in a buzzer beater. Clearly, God wasn't paying attention...
You can learn and grow from your losses. Maybe he was.
Brutus says :
‘I mean it's just a forum , are you unable to answer a simple question how do you know what you have read is true , because you are not sure?’
Brutus can you please tell us this…
Just one question… ;)
It’s just a simple question and you like to try and highlight others being apparently unable to answer ‘simple’ questions ;)
This is not ridiculing or vilifying your religion or you or flopti personally in any way… It’s just simple words from your brother in arms ;)
So…
Q. Are you sure or unsure that the truth, in it’s entirety, is presented here :
‘There are actually 3 heavens in translation, the sky above is the first, space is the second and planet Heaven the third. ( paul talked about the third heaven) You get to planet heaven after your spirit leaves your body. When you die your spirit descends into the heart of the earth and waits. Then if approved by God you are lifted up and go through the tunnel which is probably like a wormhole in Sci Fi. If unapproved you will wait for judgement but there is no time there so you wouldn't know if you've been there a year or a hundred years. At the end of the tunnel you will be greeted by The Christ Himself in His glorified form and put on planet Heaven, a very beautiful and physical place and in your brand new physical body. Earth will also be renewed after the great tribulation so for a time there will still be two seperate habitations and eventually just one.
It is comforting to know that on my death, my heavenly father will still look after me and guide my spirit or "actual person" through the maze of death and to the renewed and promised life’
And :
‘I'll give you some keys to help unlock things yourselves....This requires some Revelation research and deep thought.
Try and picture the disciple John on a prison Island trying to figure out what Jesus was showing him in the future 2000 years ago with no knowledge of our modern world.
A rough outline but some food for thought.
The first beast is a man empowered by Satan ( from the abyss)
The second empowered by the Vatican . The Vatican (Vaticaanus) means Divining Serpent (from the earth)
The symbols of Satan are the Dragon and the Serpent.
The image of the beast is probably a Quantum computer with A.I. think Skynet. It is given life and also speaks ...A.I. again. and Siri on steroids.
The worlds finance system will be controlled by a global bank using this quantum computer system...a quantum is 100,000,000 times faster than our best now. Just add A.I and you have a real treasure. Google and China already have them.
They are building two giant computers now , one in Brussels for the EU and one in America.
The most corrupt bank on earth is the Deutsche Bank, the biggest bank in Germany and one of in the world with assets of 3 Trillion dollars and is the one that financed the Nazis and sold all the stolen gold from the Jews to finance Hitler. They launder criminal money to this day. Their main share holder is now China (the dragon again) and everyone owes them money.
The swift code for the Deutsche Bank is ...you guessed it 666
Rome and the Vatican sit on 7 hills or mountains
2 of the last 4 popes were Hitler youth.
China the dragon will work with the serpent to bring about a cashless society with a central core and one leader the new anti christ.
The beast will require everyone to be implanted with an RF chip in their right hand or a detailed facial scan"fore head" or they will not be able to trade...Do not get this!
With no cash we will enter into a new age of slavery and the mind programming has already started with the banks and Dept stores selling fear under the covid banner.
The ten kings who give their power to the beast are the new world order which has already been decided by the Club of Rome years ago.
The Club of Rome is a global think tank that has decided to divide the world into 10 financial sectors with 10 leaders (the 10 kings) One of their members is Henry Kissinger who help start the EFTPOS system.
There's more but I'm tired...fact check the lot...sorry to wake you out of your sleepy world but ignorance never ends up bliss.’
There must be quite a bundle of facts and evidence that surely can explain this stuff ;)
… just a simple question ;)
Wow , jelly some serious shit there...so ...
Q 1 .....there is no physical just the spiritual......the only way to heaven/God is thru recognising Jesus as the son of God who came down to Earth in a physical form , and who preached the Gospels which is what we use as our life/moral compass......accept that Jesus died so our/mans sins were forgiven......so if and when you can accept Jesus as the son of God...Jesus told Thomas ," I am the way , the truth and the life. No one can come to the father except trough me!" John 14:6 NLT...
your second question is a bit of a ramble from Revelation to a couple of conspiracy theories......but I believe there is an elite...I am sure you know 1% of the Global population owns 50% of the Worlds assets?
So when judgement day comes and Jesus returns....a lot of what you posted is already happening.....secular people will burn in Hell.....as will those who pretend and think that just going to Church every Sunday assures a place in Heaven.......so yeah evil is everywhere , the enemy has infiltrated all walks of life.......
A question for the religious .....Do you discuss these topics and issues with non-believing friends outside of the internet ? If not why, and if so what is the most common reaction?
I only ask because I have christian friends and we never discuss anything like this.
Slightly off topic now , but I read an article today on people calling todays rain in western QLD a "Godsend" , "a gift from God" and even a "miracle". Apparently rain on Anzac day out there is pretty rare. (I realise that these comments are mostly just colloquial expressions, but it gave me a laugh none the less)
Reminded me of this clip..
yeah I discuss Jesus/Christianity with friends who are secular humanists/atheists / Agnostics , more so now than ever before!
I mostly have very civil discussions with friends as we have mutual respect ....which of course doesn't exist on forums!
and yeah people use quotes all the time using Gods name....a gift from God/ god only knows?/ for Gods sake etc...
Yep, it's definitely easier if you have mutual respect. My friends rarely bring it up and some of them are very religious. And to that , I and my non-believing mates don't bring it up either. I would discuss it more and I think they would too if there wasn't the fear of offending and ruining a good friendship.
But you do say 'mostly civil discussions' in your reply , so I'm assuming you've had some negative feedback?.
there sometimes is a level of derision , which takes place here a lot.........never lost a friendship , gained quite a lot of new friends.......it's actually the opposite sometimes when I point out the failings of the secular world and how man without a higher power fails and falls into self worship , and that where when you use the 4 E's as a litmus rest on our civilization , it's hard to mount an argument that the inherent goodness of self made man is working....
4 x E's
Equality
Environment
Energy
Economy
as the 4 x E's continue to deteriorate.........the why/how often leads to very robust conservation.....where are we headed , what's the future from our Kid and Grandkids ??
Haha ;)
You’ve definitely had more than 4 E’s and continue to deteriorate…
Yes and no and good and bad. We're all just trying to figure this life out, questioning the big questions should be done frequently and with an open mind. "The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you"
Um….
‘questioning the big questions should be done frequently and with an open mind.’
- Bit hard to question any big questions if you’ve already made up your mind ;)
Your statement about the glass of natural sciences has a fixed result…
You know - an apparent predetermined conclusion ;)
An open mind actually remains open to all possibilities and harnesses the ability to appreciate things ‘as they are’ …instead of ‘as you would like’ ;);)
As in… lighten up
As in… try not go full kook ;)
Nice motivational quote tho…
It has merit ;)
- same way god satire does… just in a completely different artistic context.
Maybe while god is waiting at the bottom of the glass the time is spent writing articles to see if humans still have the ability to laugh at themselves ;)
Brutus said “colonial era consciousness which seems to be SN's MO...”
I think you are way off here in your judgment of SN’s MO. I think in general it’s the opposite which is evidenced by the majority of comments by most people on here.
Brutus said “So when judgement day comes and Jesus returns....a lot of what you posted is already happening.....secular people will burn in Hell.....as will those who pretend and think that just going to Church every Sunday assures a place in Heaven.......so yeah evil is everywhere…”
This is offensive to good people everywhere. Why do Christians want legal protection to state their offensive and hurtful beliefs but want protection from the same sort of judgment from non Christians. ie Religious Discrimination Bill
That time brutus said…
“as for revulsion , inciting hatred, serious contempt, there seems to be people on here that don't understand what they are saying and how their comments can be translated into insults/attacks etc...”
Then goes onto say…
“secular people will burn in Hell”
it is maybe offensive to non-believers, as if you don't believe in God/Bible/Jesus , why would you then be offended by something you don't believe in?
I think the Religious Discrimination Bill serves the so called Religious Institutions such as Hillsong...I don't think it's a good thing!
Good to see this convo has returned to a much more polite and open discussion than where it was going. Respect to all that are showing it. Good stuff.
Feel like this is just anti Brazilianness coated in secularism. Brazil doesn't have life as easy as Australia, who cares if they look for something bigger to help them get through it all.
I concur
Come on, really?
I've championed the surfing of all the Brazilian's, never got on the anti-Brazo bus, even hired a Brazilian journo to cover comps for us.
In fact, Julio would tell you outright that your knowledge of Toledo, Medina, and TTW - the three main culprits - is hopelessly off the mark, and has more than a whiff of racism about it.
Medina was raised in a comfortable middle-class family in Maresias, Toledo is a second-generation pro who's travelled the world his whole life, and TTW has two surfing parents (Hawaiian and Brazilian) and splits time between both countries.
Poor? Get your facts right, mate.
It is a poor country (by comparison to Austrlia). And, the culture is set by the majority (poor). These facts are right.
Australia is a wealthy country where the culture has been set by emotion avoiding English who adore rugby league and heroes who don't seem to try too hard. Probably why so many skippys hate the highly emotional Brazzos? I'm an emotional wog, FUCKEN LOVE THE BRAZZOS!!!
Yes, I do too.
Unlike you, I even think some of them are capable of independent thought.
Dear God, if you are the creator of all things, did you have anything to do with hell?
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/articles/a-visitors-guide-to-dantes-n...
Does anyone notice that when you tell happy clappers that god isn’t real is the same as when you tell a WWE fan that it’s also not real.
Both dilusional fruitloops
nothing you can say on here can change the minds of those who believe in God .
Burleigh you choose your faith/belief that God does not exist , so that's your religion which is faith based as you cannot prove God doesn't exist?
calling people fruitloops/delusional , is your opinion , but based on which facts?
Brutus, I believe that god doesnt exist because in over 2000 years there is no proof. its 2022 and still nothing.
I choose that god doesnt exist because of the atrocities that happen at the hands of his men, inside his churches.
I choose that god doesnt exist because of millions upon millions of children die each year due to disease/hunger all while the church gets richer and richer.
Want me to go on?
I would love to believe that when we die we go to a higher place, but im not going to do so in blind faith with no proof. I think we all want to believe that when we die it isn't the end and you get to see loved ones again.
But without proof its just a fairytail IMO.
I have posted enough proof here for believers......you don't accept it as you either don't read it or dismiss it as propaganda....which is your prerogative !
Just because you don't understand that God never promised there wouldn't be hardship /problems, trials.......Romans 5:3 We can rejoice , when we run into problems and trials for we know that they help us develop endurance . Endurance develops strength of character , and character strengthens our confident hope of salvation....."
Proof for believers. Lol you’re going to have to do better than that Brutus.
Imagine using that analogy for pedos. Oh wait, sorry…. they go hand in hand inside the church.
Your god never promised there wouldn’t be the worst kind of abuse inside the walls of him own home? Fuck mate that’s sick.
Imagine those poor children just wishing there was an actual god to stop the abuse, put yourself in their shoes. Then listen to these entitled god bothers thanking god for a fucking wave.
what I see/read as proof , you dismiss as fairy tales......so I have faith in what I read as it has been peer reviewed.....
when you think there are over 2m kids being trafficked world wide in the child sex industry and all the woes that mankind does...you want to blame a God that doesn't exist??
As for pedos going hand in hand with the church....do you have any idea how big paedophilia is outside the church?
I am going to have to sign off soon as I have an incredible amount of work coming up and also looks like some insane surf coming at alst......
Go surf Brutus. Hopefully god sends you a couple of tubes.
Haha ;)
Wow…
- denial … deflection … and excuses
What a selfish sad sack you are brutus ;)
Didn’t know that being insensitive and callous was part of the doctrine…
Run along now ;);)
haha jelly......of course you would see me as a selfish sad sack , insensitive /callous.......as I question you lack of being/future which you can't answer because you only attack the messenger....not the issues.......intellect and IQ seriously questioned here...all ya got is personal attacks....words more empty words.....no hope!
It's OK I will leave and take my empirical evidence with me, LOL!
brutus, faith is belief without proof. Belief in religious doctrine not based on facts, evidence or empirical research - belief in the un-believable. But if you look at the evidence and compare it with the monotheistic religions, judaism, Christianity and islam, who by the way all worship the same deity - the god of Abraham, there is overwhelming evidence to prove the non existence of your god.
I could write a thesis on the subject but will point out just some of the contradictions and falsehoods.
Let’s start at the beginning. Bible scholars based on the generational evidence in the book of Genesis have stated that the universe is circa 4,500 years old. Based on numerous proven scientific dating methods the universe is 14 billion years old.
It is obvious that god was created in the image of man, not man was created in the image of god. Just by reading the old testament I am appalled by the behaviour imposed on man by god. Human slavery, infanticide (child sacrifice), human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, genocide, sexual slavery, stoning to death of adulterous women, stoning to death of homosexuals - always men.
Even god himself gets in on the act of premeditated mass murder when he murders, by drowning, the entire human race except for Noah and his family.
There are numerous examples where the archeological evidence disproves the bible verses. For example, camels being in a certain area at a given time when the archeological evidence proves that incorrect. I could go on….and on.
The new testament isn’t much better. The birth of Jesus did not occur. They went to Bethlehem for Jesus’s birth during the reign of Herod - the only problem is according to Roman and Hebrew writings, Herod died 9 years before the birth of Jesus. So the killing of the children did not occur either. And another fact is that the census performed by the Romans for tax purposes did not happen until 5 years after the bibles birthdate of Jesus. Nothing is accurate - it was written 60 - 100 years after christ and there are no eye witnesses or corroborating evidence.
There is so much more I could say but I think I have made my point.
Oh, just one more thing brutus - I think you suffer from CPC (christian persecution complex) look it up. It’s when you think you are being victimised, persecuted, bullied or vilified by people when all they do is express a contrary view or opinion to you. This is instilled in christians by the teachings of Paul.
Cheers - please relax and stop trolling.
cant wait for the reply to this, strap yourself in its gunna be a doozy
Thank you for having the guts to share your past stuff with us on here and for this contribution gusset…
Much respect to you
Thanks JF. It's certainly been a difficult journey but life is pretty good now. The ocean and music has been my saviour. Cheers.
faith is belief without proof......so what is proof?
Do you believe in.....Anzac day and the slaughter of young Australian troops being used as cannon fodder by the English...do you believe in any historical events...if so why....or do you have faith that what was written was true ?
you talk about empirical proof/evidence and say that there is overwhelming evidence that there is no God.
You then use your version of events as proof..huh , unless that's your version of empirical evidence?
your version of history and saying God is a mass murderer is relative to your beliefs or lack of .
your comment on Herod and the birth of Jesus ...can you post empirical proof ....as all I can find is that Jesus was probably born in 4 BC and Herod died in 1BC...https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/j...
Yeah there 's a lot of conjecture ......but the whole basis of what you say cannot be proved by you...as there are no empirical facts/evidence....or.....please post some links to your evidence ??
as for your CPC claim.....there is nobody here that could possibly intimidate me physically or mentally.....and as you have just proved , does your facts and evidence exist.....??
If you think I am trolling , why would you even bother to post your unfounded claims.....more discussion?
brutus, of course a bible society is going to try and change the dates of what has been established and accepted for nearly two millennia - it satisfies their cognitive dissonance. The link you posted supports my comments Herod 13BC christ 4BC. I'm not going to do your research for you but may I suggest you don't always look for evidence or facts in bible run websites as you will always get the answer that YOU are looking for. There are secular texts and research that backs up what I have written. No one here that could intimidate you physically or mentally? Sounds like pride - one of the deadly sins. Pride cometh before a fall brutus.
By the way the story of Noah's ark is in your book of fairy tales that you believe is all factual - so, did god flood the earth and drown the entire human race or not?
This is excellent gusset ;)
Hope you are taking notes brutus.
The links / bible run websites provide you with artificial intelligence…
- brutus u are running on empty on AI !
Quick… slither and slide… hide… or make something up or try get somebody else to explain it for u ;);)
Why do you keep bringing up Anzac Day and questioning if it actually happened you insensitive fuckwit?
There are people alive (or were until very recently) who were there!
People on here who’s relatives died there.
And you keep trying to relate it to your brainwashed fucking fairytales that you believe in.
Wtf is wrong with you you’re seriously a deranged individual.
How anyone respects you with the absolute shit you say is beyond me.
You need serious help.
Can anyone prove the tooth fairy doesn’t exist? No, thus the tooth fairy is real.
Can anyone prove a bunyip doesn’t exist? No, thus the bunyip is real.
Can anyone prove the boogeyman doesn’t exist? No, thus the boogeyman is real.
haha RK, so is there any proof out there that the Tooth Fairy/bunyip/boogeyman does exist?
As there is plenty of proof that Jesus did exist , and the Gospels are real!
haha RK, so is there any proof out there that the Tooth Fairy/bunyip/boogeyman does exist?
As there is plenty of proof that Jesus did exist , and the Gospels are real!
bunyips are real.
George Constanza.... " its not a lie....if you believe it "
@Brutus
"I have posted an excellent book , based on facts...written by an Indian Intellectual , Vishal Mangalwadi...." the Book that made your World or How the Bible created the soul of Western Civilization....."
Factual foundation?
You can't be serious, you must be trolling.
"What triggered the Wests passion for scientific, medical and technological advancement....."
Brutus, the West had to reject religious dogma so as to progress scientifically - religion held back science for thousands of years and continues to do so.
We've been through this before.
The Enlightenment was the key to moving towards separating church and state and instead obtaining reason by means of evidence as opposed to pure belief.
"How the Bible has uniquely equipped the west to cultivate compassion, human rights, prosperity and strong families."
Uniquely equipped? That pong in the air surrounding that comment is the whiff of racism.
"the role of the Bible in the transformation of education"
Really? See "enlightenment".
"How the Bible created fertile ground for women to find social and economic empowerment"
You're fucking kidding.
I hope you're trolling otherwise it's quite sad for you.
If you're serious, I'd say your intellectual capabilities are up there with a parsnip.
Well said andym …
I thought brutus was more just a potato head but yeh parsnip intellectual sounds very appropriate;)
After all… there is evidence jesus’ earthly dad had the ‘pa-snip’ - otherwise dear mary wouldn’t have been able to immaculately conceive.
Facts ;)
could you please post some of your facts that refute Vishals book?
Andy the person who wrote the book is considered one of India's foremost intellectuals...way beyond you or I.....so your criticism and comments are irrelevant , as you haven't read it or the peer reviews...
So your opinion is based on what factual basis?
Oh my fucking god
You want to put 500 or 600 years of established history against one fella?
Copernicus to Galileo to Gutenberg and pretty much every great thinker or scientist you could name?
so you can name drop , so what has Capernicus/Galileo/Gutenberg written that contradicts Vishal?
Excellent book and comment - parsnip indeed.
perhaps I could be addressed as Mr Parsnip.....so you read Vishal's book....blew me away on how the medieval era was so productive!
what book did you read?
Um….. brutus
About those questions… ;)
You didn’t / couldn’t answer them ;);)
They are simple questions, a simple answer should suffice. What the fark don’t you get about it ? ;);)
Maybe listening… considering… and even contemplating something and then being able to answer using content from your own brain and direct life experience may work ;) …you never know!
You might not need a farkn book to try and translate what you obviously can’t explain clearly for yourself ;)
I’m not demanding any answers… I’m asking you why you can’t actually answer in a direct and practical way - according to you ;) I’m guessing/hoping you still have that capability - maybe not tho ?
I didn’t ask vishal mangalwadi to explain anything here. And what he explains is only partially accurate yet thought provoking… However, I asked you if you are responsible and accountable for your own thoughts, feelings and emotions ;)
If you don’t know - it’s ok to say you don’t know. Not knowing is not a sin ;)
So…
Q. Who creates your feelings / impulses / reactions ?
And :
Q. How is the piece not satire ?
-brutus boldly claims :
‘you call it Satire , as a way of playing down the negative reactions and comments.......’
Um… no…. I call it satire because it is clearly written tongue in cheek and the content is silly and clearly a bit of fun. Do you get that bit ? ;)
It is an observation of what is actually written in the piece - not what comments are there in response to it !
The negative ‘reactions’ are from negative people who feed their own negative emotions and pretend someone is enforcing those feelings upon them ;);) As I’ve stated before - a belief is not based in reality and will often allow a person to create a negative state when that belief ultimately clashes with reality … it is an inevitability ;)
Be accountable for how you feel, take responsibility for your choices and (wait for it)… try engage some self control ;)
You apply the meaning because you have a fixed position / bias according to your interpretation of what god is…
You actually call it vilification as a means to deflect your own misery / outrage and this is created by you - influencing and driving your internal state. Don’t try blame others or an ‘author’ or whoever for you incorrectly perceiving something for what it is - as then your demeanour / character is simply at the mercy of an outside source ;)
You get that ? ;);)
And that is probably not conducive to experiencing and exhibiting respect, humility, openness and a willingness to learn and grow…
You search for outrage, search for victim status, inflate the hysteria about your interpretation of the secular world and spend an enormous amount of time and energy reinforcing that you have the ‘answers’ and the ‘facts’ and the ‘evidence’ ;) …
You could always just exclaim that it is god that makes you feel a certain way… ay ;);)
Is god really doing the doing tho ? ;)
Or just feeding the delusion and reinforcing the fantasy ? ;);)
brutus says to andym :
‘you cannot post an argument , just knee jerk emotion based on your intellect/secular beliefs?’
Ummm. Are you yet to accuse anyone of things you are evidently guilty of ?
The hypocrisy just gathers momentum ;)
- your arguments brutus are based on knee jerk emotion based on your intellect / religious beliefs aren’t they ???
Oops. My bad… that would require an intellect. Apologies to any offended parsnips, it’s been a rough ride since god had such a profound literary contribution and then just fucked off and went silent ? ;)
Kind of like when the bible was composed… atleast ‘god’ is consistent …
-certainly got a sense of humour too ;)
my points come from peer reviewed facts...no knee jerk emotion.....you guys seem to think that your opinions which seem to be based on headlines and heresay.
So what am I being hypocritical of . I post facts you guys post unsubstantiated opinions coming from the incredible depths of your intellects....or lack of?
Your proof boils down to:
I believe because someone else believes, who believes because someone else believed, who believed because .. .
Repeat endlessly.
A reason to do so if that is enough for you but it is not proof.
Brutus said :
Gee Udo.......are you white ?
-------------------------------------------------
Yes i Identify as White...
Are you White ? .... how do you Identify in 2022 ??
Brutus said : Can you be more Specific
WTF.....No i can not its a straightforward Question ?
you said white...I said I don't see my identity as white of black , but see myself as an Australian...where my definition of an Australian is anybody and everybody who lives in Australia transcends race.......and being one of Gods Children means , all of us are equal in Gods eyes and race doesn't come into it....
So Udo once again I'll ask.......you see yourself as white....once upon a time I thought I was a blackfella , because of the racism directed at me.....but found this was even more divisive and polarizing as if you were not white.....you were of an inferior race.......so after much contemplation and consultation with Indigenous elders......we are Australian, embracing all people who want to be Australians........but there are those who just choose to be white!
Jeepers, the God Delusion Dawkins dorks are ploughing hard in here.
God is NOT Great by Christopher Hitchens is better.
Nope, they are both crap.
Oh dear mcbain - that comment says a lot about you. Hitchens and Dawkins are considered as some of the greatest intellects of our time - so if you took absolutely nothing away from reading them other than "both are crap" it's a reflection of your illiberal and bigoted mindset or you simply do not understand their arguments. Have you read the books?
Hitchens and Dawkins , greatest intellects of our time...how about C S Lewis?
Yep, both narrow and shallow. I agree Hitchens may have the jump on Dawko, but that is where you and I part ways. Don't take it to heart though, if you enjoyed them, that's great!
A Catholic priest, a child molester and a liar walks into a bar.
The barkeep throws a glance and says "You're the first person in here tonight"
nice , how about a /mass murderer/rapist/child molester/thief walks into a bar and the barkeeper says 'your the first whiteman in here tonite!"
Brutus seriously? You’re back to this. White man’s disease? Only white men do these things? What is wrong with you?
not serious , but seems peoples whiteness is threatened , by posting a joke .......just trying to expose what is a joke to some people is not o others!
Nice Brutus-
Mass Murderer /Rapist /Child Molester/ Thief and he is a Whiteman
Thats definitely better than my old Altar Boy Joke from 2015 that you keep Harping on about..
haha Udo.......once upon a time , I lived and believed that white people were Mass murderers/rapists/child molesters/thieves and simply put a malevolent evil sent to Australia ...I would have included you in this category as you are white and all white people...because I suffered racism as did all indigenous Australians.
Isn't amazing how one can evolve and understand not to judge the majority of the actions of the minority....educating myself and discussing white/colonial Australia's past and how people view the past, changed my thinking and becoming a Born again Christian , teaches forgiveness and to embrace you enemies ......so I can admit that what I posted is antiquated , can you actually say you were wrong in making fun of priests....but making fun of altar boys who have been raped ....well any thoughts on that?
Brutus are you saying you are an Indigenous Australian ?
And again…. ;)
- brutus says this :
‘I have posted enough proof here for believers......you don't accept it as you either don't read it or dismiss it as propaganda....’
Um… in your expert opinion, or using the expert facts and evidence and peer reviewed intellect of others - how would u like to disprove some stuff that might not align with your narrative / delusion / fantasy / imagination / memory / insanity ;)
Hope u don’t mind me reposting this gusset but…. paging brutus ;);)
‘brutus, faith is belief without proof. Belief in religious doctrine not based on facts, evidence or empirical research - belief in the un-believable. But if you look at the evidence and compare it with the monotheistic religions, judaism, Christianity and islam, who by the way all worship the same deity - the god of Abraham, there is overwhelming evidence to prove the non existence of your god.
I could write a thesis on the subject but will point out just some of the contradictions and falsehoods.
Let’s start at the beginning. Bible scholars based on the generational evidence in the book of Genesis have stated that the universe is circa 4,500 years old. Based on numerous proven scientific dating methods the universe is 14 billion years old.
It is obvious that god was created in the image of man, not man was created in the image of god. Just by reading the old testament I am appalled by the behaviour imposed on man by god. Human slavery, infanticide (child sacrifice), human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, genocide, sexual slavery, stoning to death of adulterous women, stoning to death of homosexuals - always men.
Even god himself gets in on the act of premeditated mass murder when he murders, by drowning, the entire human race except for Noah and his family.
There are numerous examples where the archeological evidence disproves the bible verses. For example, camels being in a certain area at a given time when the archeological evidence proves that incorrect. I could go on….and on.
The new testament isn’t much better. The birth of Jesus did not occur. They went to Bethlehem for Jesus’s birth during the reign of Herod - the only problem is according to Roman and Hebrew writings, Herod died 9 years before the birth of Jesus. So the killing of the children did not occur either. And another fact is that the census performed by the Romans for tax purposes did not happen until 5 years after the bibles birthdate of Jesus. Nothing is accurate - it was written 60 - 100 years after christ and there are no eye witnesses or corroborating evidence.
There is so much more I could say but I think I have made my point.
Oh, just one more thing brutus - I think you suffer from CPC (christian persecution complex) look it up. It’s when you think you are being victimised, persecuted, bullied or vilified by people when all they do is express a contrary view or opinion to you. This is instilled in christians by the teachings of Paul.
Cheers - please relax and stop trolling.’
;);)
And…
Just a question… do you create your own emotions / impulses / feelings etc ?
Y or N will do ;)
Simple ;);)
yes...happy now?
Well done brutus!
Even though the god enforced timeframe for a sane and rational person to answer the question had expired, god is all merciful and forgiving ;)
You now have an eternal subscription / sponsorship with parsnip and moonbeam magazine ;)
Don’t change your mind tho or it’s a good chance you’ll burn in hellfire ! ;)
This particular forum, thread, whatever you want to call it is the perfect example of how religion in pretty well all shapes and forms is such a divisive, problematic clusterfuck.
How much better the world would be if it had died a quick death once humans had evolved to the level where we gained an understanding of science and how we fit in to the grand scheme of things.
I think we need a little bit of humorous relief.
THE FACT THAT THERE IS A HIGHWAY TO HELL AND ONLY A STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN SAYS A LOT ABOUT ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC NUMBERS.
Amen, that's the first thing you have said that makes sense!
Um brutus ;)
Can you make sense of the Y or N question…? ? ?
Do you have an answer ?
I mean - u being an expert and peer reviewed fact finder on simple questions… ;)
I always thought it was an unwritten law that you don't have a go at peoples religious beliefs, it's a bit like stealing from tents in campgrounds, rooting your mates chick or pissing in someone's jug of VB. Silly me.
The first two I don't condone. But pissing in someones jug of VB surely isn't off limits.? Is it.?
545 comments. New record?
Born again…or those that had a shit life and then find religion…are the absolute worst kind of religious zealots. That can be christian, muslim etc etc. They are blind to any sort of reality.
So what was your reality again?
You seem to be ignoring this brutus, do you think homosexuality is a choice or are you are born gay?
Can a gay person become hetrosexual?
Do you agree with what the bible says about homosexuality?
so what does the Bible say about homosexuality?
@brutus…
Maybe the question you are more suited to ponder is :
- what is reality ? ;);)
Not sure it exists in ‘your’ world ;)
That time brutus said….When have I not answered a question?
Then demands others answer his questions.
A watered down request to brutus ;);)
… or is he slithering away to hibernate !
‘Um…..
About those questions… ;)
You didn’t / couldn’t answer them ;);)
I’m not demanding any answers… I’m asking you why you can’t actually answer in a direct and practical way - according to you ;) I’m guessing/hoping you still have that capability - maybe not tho ?
I asked you if you are responsible and accountable for your own thoughts, feelings and emotions ;)
If you don’t know - it’s ok to say you don’t know. Not knowing is not a sin ;)
So…
Q. Who creates your feelings / impulses / reactions ?
And :
Q. How is the piece not satire ?
-brutus boldly claims :
‘you call it Satire , as a way of playing down the negative reactions and comments.......’
Um… no…. I call it satire because it is clearly written tongue in cheek and the content is silly and clearly a bit of fun. Do you get that bit ? ;)
It is an observation of what is actually written in the piece - not what comments are there in response to it !
The negative ‘reactions’ are from negative people who feed their own negative emotions and pretend someone is enforcing those feelings upon them ;);) As I’ve stated before - a belief is not based in reality and will often allow a person to create a negative state when that belief ultimately clashes with reality … it is an inevitability ;)
Be accountable for how you feel, take responsibility for your choices and (wait for it)… try engage some self control ;)
You apply the meaning because you have a fixed position / bias according to your interpretation of what god is…
You actually call it vilification as a means to deflect your own misery / outrage and this is created by you - influencing and driving your internal state. Don’t try blame others or an ‘author’ or whoever for you incorrectly perceiving something for what it is - as then your demeanour / character is simply at the mercy of an outside source ;)
You get that ? ;);)
And that is probably not conducive to experiencing and exhibiting respect, humility, openness and a willingness to learn and grow…
You search for outrage, search for victim status, inflate the hysteria about your interpretation of the secular world and spend an enormous amount of time and energy reinforcing that you have the ‘answers’ and the ‘facts’ and the ‘evidence’ ;) …
You could always just exclaim that it is god that makes you feel a certain way… ay ;);)
Is god really doing the doing tho ? ;)
Or just feeding the delusion and reinforcing the fantasy ? ;);) ‘
- It’s ok brutus… there is no right or wrong answer ;)
There will be no punishment ;)
Are you frightened / hesitant in case you may burn ‘your’ bridge to god ?…
- there could be the possibility of winning an eternal subscription to parsnip and moonbeam magazine ;);)
Anyway… no rush brutus ;);)
You say:
‘haha jelly......of course you would see me as a selfish sad sack , insensitive /callous.......as I question you lack of being/future which you can't answer because you only attack the messenger....not the issues.......intellect and IQ seriously questioned here...all ya got is personal attacks....words more empty words.....no hope!
It's OK I will leave and take my empirical evidence with me, LOL!‘
I can’t answer because I only attack the messenger ?
‘Intellect and IQ seriously questioned here’ - yep you said it brutus. Spot on ;)
You can’t answer a Y or N question and you are still accusing others of your own cowardice …
Keep questioning that IQ ;);)
Maybe answer the question for yourself.
Good luck to you brutus
No luck needed here!!
Haha…
U really can’t help yaself can u ;)
And your exclamation…
Your words : ‘no hope ! ‘
More projection ;)
You’ve provided enough evidence here…
I personally reckon you’ve got or had severe addiction / dependence issues and your religion is now your diversionary tactic…
It’s how u occupy / distract the peanut brain ;)
That’s why I wish u luck and all the best ;)
The arrogant and incessant accusatory tone and obvious lack of self awareness is something god must be very proud of… coz you’re gods child after all ;);)
Your words again there haha
I reckon a child could answer a Y or N question ;)
Maybe….
It’s ok… daddy will save you
Last comments, people.
Tomorrow AM I'm gonna roll the rock over this cavernous comment section.
Bury it away for good.
Thank God
yes he wrote the article , LOL, and now he's taking it down......waaaaaahhhhhhhh.....SN God has had enough.......LOL.....
Maybe he’s being merciful to you brutus so the potential for further embarrassment and displays of narcissism and hypocrisy won’t stain the christains ;)
He sounds like an actual ‘man for others’ - one who even wants to ‘treat others as he would like to be treated’ ;)
Funny - u proclaim to follow jesus’ teachings yet all the hallmarks and traits are absent in the brutus !
Time to send u in ;););)
What a fraud…
(I’ll just use lower case so to appeal to brutus’ low IQ)
lololololololololol
LOL, jelly lets call it a day.....everything you say about me is actually how I see you.......the difference is your self appointed genius status.........philosophically weak , and no substance to any of your claims......been interesting to say the least , I learnt a lot here.......but time to get back to reality and stop playing with people who 's MO seems negative dark insults...maybe we will meet up one day in the surf.....shit do you surf, LOL?
Yes brutus , I do ;)
Over 40 yrs in the water and still goin, like yourself…
I’m hoping you can see past the ‘insults’ - try not focus on what doesn’t serve you ;)
All the best, hope you get some waves
what Stu...you posted the article , getting a bit much for you?
Haha ;)
Maybe brutus is concerned once it’s gone he’ll be forced into trying to push this stuff in the real world. Uh oh ;) That’s gonna go well…
Or…
- just go to an ‘all things religion’ thread instead and try school others on purely christian rhetoric and doctrine instead of exploring and learning and sharing about…… ‘all things religion’ !
Yay ;)
Fair enough stu ;)
Careful tho…
After three days - if the rock is rolled back - the thread will have mysteriously vanished up a moonbeam.
Fortunately the author will also be back home and will chill at the spirits bar ;)
Apparently someone said it’ll return and provide ‘salvation’ at some point…
But most understand that’s a load of shit ;)
And most are ok with that too
Peace to all ;);)
I’m ganna pretend it’s still here. I believe it is still here….therefore it is still here. I can’t prove it will still be here.. but, ya know….it will be here..I hope it is still here because if it’s not here everything I believe is just a big lie..so..it ain’t going anywhere.
Hahahahaha ;)
Facts
You’re the one who’s flaking out here brutus..
- when your IQ / intellect not only is unable to make sense of a Y or a N question, whilst accusing everyone of needing evidence etc, things kinda spk for them self ;););)
All the best
C’mon Stu, let it roll. This is more entertaining than any television show. This Brutus is hilarious and I have bought a ton of popcorn….
The level of vitriol and abusive comments directed at one person on this post is beyond disgusting. All by nameless people. @roadkill, @goofyfoot, @simsurf @jellyflater @alfredwallace. Why not put your name to your comments if you're going to rip into someone who you know on a public forum. Do you believe you're 2 separate people...an online person and the real you. What a fucking joke.
It's one thing to argue your beliefs. It's another to deride another person for theirs.
In doing so you've made yourselves look a whole level lower than the belief systems you're so vehemently opposing.
Good on ya Brutus for keeping a cool head and not attacking other posters, but just asking questions. Your beliefs are different to mine, it doesn't bother me in the slightest nor should it.
Bd…always a flog. Never smart enough recognise all sides..you and brutus could have a pity party together.
Butus, like you…can give but can’t take it when given back.
Snowflakes united….lmao.
@bd
No one here is bothered but u cupcake ;)
As the most experienced and qualified contributor here (other than god) stated :
(Once again hope u don’t mind gusset)
‘ brutus - I think you suffer from CPC (christian persecution complex) look it up. It’s when you think you are being victimised, persecuted, bullied or vilified by people when all they do is express a contrary view or opinion to you. This is instilled in christians by the teachings of Paul. ‘
- Is that u paul ? U can go now paul ;);)
Thanks for the input tho
Bd if you respect this guy because he can shape a surfboard that’s great, I don’t.
Fact is he on numerous occasions on this thread has brought up Anzac day and compared it to Jesus and questioned whether it happened because “I wasn’t there so how do I know it’s true”.
My pop served in PNG in ww2 and his two brothers also, he returned, they didn’t.
For this disrespectful flog to be so insensitive to something close to a lot of people (that actually happened) just shows how his brain works.
The guys an a-grade moron, if me saying that and not putting my real name to it causes you think less of me that’s perfectly fine, I won’t be losing any sleep over it.
Speaking of sleep, it’s late, babies gone back to sleep now so am I.
This is the last time I’m posting on this thread. Wasted too much time on here already.
Anonymous comments and attacks from anonymous nobodies. Your lack of bravery and courage has been duly noted. Love from Paul
Haha ;);)
- bd congratulated brutus on ‘keeping a cool head and not attacking other posters’
Haha this stuff is gold ;)
You couldn’t make this shit up…
Or could you ? ;);)
Hypocrites and deluded ones unite !
Letssssss gooooo ;) haha
No name, no substance. How is that an attack? You're either the same person as the person posting your comments, or you're admitting you're two different people. If you can't put your name to your personal attacks and name calling, (to someone who you do know) then you lack courage. Is there anything clearer? Deflecting an obvious truth with more attacks. You sir, seem to have the issues here.
You can walk up to Brutus and he'd have no clue who you are. Isn't that an unfair advantage.
So prove your worth. You guys are the ones all attacking him. Put your name to it. Since you are all riding the moral highground on this.
I know you won't...but i'm interested as to why not??
Um… bd
Thanks again for your input, didn’t know there was a self appointed moderator and conditions setter …
There are no unfair advantages. You’re as big a moron as brutus, if you wanna try defend him go for it ;);)
You’re also defending bigotry, an inflated sense of ego - as well as vouching for prejudice and bigotry…
Good on ya u dickhead…
If what u say interests u as you say it does then you’re as lost and deluded as brutus minimus ;);)
Get a life…
You can go now Paul ;)
Weak as piss.
Brave words paul ;)
Maybe let it gooooooo…
Maybe brutus can spk for himself ?
- Oh. My bad ;);) … that’d b a stretch ;)
But…. anything is possible yeh - once the divine internet bible fact search engine is sparked to life, of course ;);)
No name no substance. Weaker than piss.
Um….
Love. Respect. Humbleness ;)
Thanks paul - you can go now ;);)
Oh blimey, I got to the end. Holey Cow.
Shows where we are as a nation, division, intolerance, how good is Australia.
You think a few naughty words during a relatively mild discussion about religion is evidence of the deterioration of Australian society?
Almost anywhere else in the world the participants in a Barney over religion would be blowing each other up to prove their point.
The fact that Australians can remain so mellow whilst arguing about religion shows how tolerant we are. You should probably write an email to Swellnet complaining about it anyway I guess.
Long read hey Batfink. Did you get a bit trigger happy from exhaustion by the end of it.
I'll give me two cents worth in this deteriating world order towards 600.