Are wind farms the new shark nets?

Agree DSDS - the Spaniards studying bird deaths in the USA? Something fishy there.

It is usual for scientists to study overseas to undertake comparative analysis.

In Tasmania a Brazilian is studying an endangered bird species.

Scientists and birds not bound by nation states, like surfers of many whom they are.

Good one. There is no more time to kook it on climate

I have to laugh about the protagonists mocking renewables. Stoically folding their arms and demanding the research statistics about bird death thru wind turbines, then debunking the studies as humbug.
Truth is, they are against renewables, and pro fossil fuel and resulting Climate disasters. They should just admit it.

Just wondering how do fossil fuels kill birds? Pollution?

the intermittency of renewables has been shown they can only make a small part of an overall energy mix
- Europe and China have copped it over the past year because the sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow and we are a decade off decent battery technology to store it. Worst example is Germany which has some of the highest priced, highest carbon emitting energy production around because they thought the world of rainbows and unicorns renewables was the way to go - now they dig up forests to get to the coal underneath (look it up)
Nuclear is one of the safest and cleanest and most reliable for baseload capacity and 1 by 1 countries are shelving their reactor phase out plans as the ridiculous stigma wears off (S Korea, Japan etc)

a B.S. tax on all media advertisements, offshore haven tax evasion by big business & related politicians could support known & future technological energy solutions for this planet...

Be great if organisers of these things could get the word out a bit earlier. I like to think I'm plugged in locally but had no idea this was on in Torquay. Reckon there would have been a lot of crew interested but unaware, too. Hope it went well.

start in your own back/front yard - surf hardware / surfboard "manufacturers" - A lister labelled pop outs : 4oz shit glass jobs, rail tape, tail pads and fins. How much is enough, sustainability vs durability vs profitability.

We all want to do the right thing but when I read unsourced/unsubstantiated claims like 'wind farms killed approximately seven thousand birds in the United States in 2006 but nuclear plants killed about 327,000 and fossil-fuelled power plants 14.5 million' without a question as to their authenticity I become sceptical.
"Mark Duchamp, the president of Save the Eagles International is probably the most prominent person to speak out about bird deaths at wind farms. He says:
The average per turbine comes down to 333 to 1,000 deaths annually which is a far cry from the 2-4 birds claimed by the American wind industry or the 400,000 birds a year estimated by the American Bird Conservancy for the whole of the United States, which has about twice as many turbines as Spain." Source: Simon Chapman and Fiona Crichton’s book, Wind Turbine Syndrome: a communicated disease, Sydney University Press .
Given there are approx 57,000 wind turbines in the USA today that would equate to approx 18,981,000 -57,000,000 bird deaths due to turbines per year in the US alone.

kooks holding up climate action I.e against renewable energy are cooked. We are all to blaim for the state of the plant. Do better you piece of shit.

Ideology clif? I was quoting from the same source that you used! You just cherry-picked the bits which suited your argument. Spaniards studying bird deaths in the US ffs.

It makes plenty of sense. If the question is "what impact do wind turbines have on avifauna?", then an approval authority in say, Dunedin - NZ, may not have much confidence in work done by researchers from Spain in Spain on very large turbines built 15 years ago (Spanish wind sector one of the most mature, has different climates, different bird species that might exhibit different behaviours and responses to wind turbines, perhaps different scale turbines in only certain topographies). We're benefitted by many different studies asking the same question with different settings/conditions. If the answers are the same/broadly the same, then the confidence in the findings of each of those individual studies goes through the roof. So there's nothing untoward or any reason to imagine that a group from Spain cannot design and conduct a robust study into the effects of wind turbines somewhere outside of Spain. That's the magnificence of the scientific method; it's a series of steps founded upon a few fundamental principles, and can be applied equally as well by people from any country.

If the researchers did a good job in Spain, it makes complete sense for them to be brought in to study turbines in the US. They'd be interested as researchers to see if there are any differences and what those might be, particularly as the US has almost the full spectrum of environments compared to Spain (though probably not all suitable to turbines).

Are their findings definitive? Maybe. Maybe not. But that's what the peer-review process is for, from the sense that their papers are reviewed before publication but also that others read said papers and then try to refute/support the findings with their own studies.

People should be far more skeptical and save your belligerence for those who espouse claims that did not come from robust scientific studies not subjected to a rigorous peer-review process. Furthermore, if a single study goes against the overwhelming body of evidence and findings to date, it should be viewed with a very high level of skepticism. That doesn't mean it's wrong, it might be correct. But that is quite rare. Normally they've fucked up the study or designed it in a way that gives them the results they wanted to support a pre-determined argument. In a given field of science, genuine mavericks really only come along every several decades. The rest are ninkompoops or charlatans that are trying to get results their financial backers want.

As everyone is throwing numbers around, the human race consumes 100,000,000 barrels of oil a day and that number it is going up, not down. Wind turbines, hydrogen power, solar power etc are not going to change that fact. Eventually (soonish) oil will run out and so all our absurd self indulgent lifestyles will come to a screaming halt. So enjoy it while it lasts, your kids and grandkids will thankyou for your sacrifices. Now I am off to the grand prix to watch cars race around in circles burning fossil fuels for no reason what so ever. So pumped!