This could be fun

What's the equivalent of walking on the moon in the great wave pool race?

A full stand up 6ft barrel?
Wave variety?
No. of waves per hour?
Financial viability?

I’ve got some mates who occasionally stay overnight at Tullamarine. What a way to wash off a day’s work. Hopefully they have a bar as well.

this is a huge project - $$$$$
(hope like heck they nail it)

hope all the northern suburbs hell men take to their new local and leave our beaches alone .... but on second thoughts...
How awesome would it be to strap on a virtual reality headset, get a stair climber, hike to Everest and then pull into pipe the very same afternoon!

Not interested !

Day and night, year round, 1000 waves per hour, up to 84 surfers at a time.

Gary likes those numbers if they can be achieved.

1,000 waves per hour divided by 84 surfers = about 1 wave every 5 minutes, or 12 waves per hour, per surfer.

Texas BSR pool is US$75/hr for 'intermediate' waves, US$90 per hour for 'expert' waves (roughly AUD$105 / 125)

Snowdia is GBP45/hr for 'intermediate' waves and GBP50/hr for 'advanced' waves (roughly AUD$80 / 90)

Taking a rough mid point guess on pricing, and rounding (since this is all guesswork), expect to pay in the ballpark of:

'intermediate' waves AUD$95 / hour or AUD$8 per wave

'advanced' waves AUD$105 / hour or AUD$9 per wave

assuming an orderly queue or whatever. if it's a shitfight with 83 other surfers then who knows

I’d pay $100 an hour to see what’s it’s like the first time.
I’m imagining it could be something you do for a bit of fun every few months or 6 months or whatever. Head up with a few mates, couple beers and I reckon it could be great fun.
Pick up VicLocal on the way

At $100 an hr...it will be novelty stuff only. Who could afford to surf there 2-3 times a week for $300....

Surely there’d be discounted season passes similar to those offered to the weirdos who enjoy going to SeaWorld every second weekend.

Too much chlorine flavoured urine is never enough.

Could be worth a session on the way to Indonesia, kind of a warm up.

Perhaps readers should be thinking of the extra numbers pools like this will eventually put in the surf at existing and already over crowded surf breaks around the major population centres on the East Coast? More likely than not to dramatically increase them.

Didn't the Channel 9 news last night just lap up the spiel with the spokesperson excitedly telling the cub reporter they hoped to be operational at Easter "so the visiting pros can try out this world class wave" .... mmm, just the usual "industry" back scratching.

No surprise we have a story here today probably word for word from Urbansurf's media pack. #mediawatch.

Be a fun surf every now and then. Not sure how the queueing works. I could imagine nervous take offs if you have to worry about heading to the back of the line if you blow your wave then conservative surfing till the end section for similar reasons. It would be hard to not think "this wave cost me $10" and to ignore the line of frothers watching you critically from the queue.

A bit like being at Snapper and finally an empty wave comes your way and everyone is watching ready to either pounce or give you the stare if you stuff it up.

How long does one of these Wavegarden waves last for?

The crowd impact will be interesting having positives and negatives for the ocean surfers. A drive to Bells for a handful of waves and $50 petrol or a pool surf with known costs and numbers of quality waves caught? Some will choose comfort and certainty. Battling it out at Woolami with rips and heavy water or a wave pool? Many will choose the pool - especially those who learn there.

I could imagine new generation wave pool surfers pursuing Indo perfection on surf trips when they get good. But many would find random beach breaks and places like crowded Winki a hassle, let alone wondering about sharks.

If China went surf pool mad I would be worried.

But overall, I could imagine a decade from now, that peak quality ocean days at known spots with straightforward line ups might get hit by wave pool trained crowds, whilst day to day conditions and funky spots or average forecast days being much less affected or even less crowded than today.

Lovely spot to just across the road from the Pokies and Ciloms Airport Lodge, very salubrious accomodation I must say. I wonder if the Essendon Footy Club will have a permanent booking? Melrose Drive is a must see for anybody visiting Melbourne and I am sure all you northerns will find the 10º water temp in August particularly welcoming for your interstate visit.

I think that is key Frogg.

Most surfers on the east coast should realise that the vast majority of days at most good spots are totally user friendly.

Any idiot can and does paddle out to Superbank/Pass etc etc.

Pool surfers will find that out very quickly.

You'd have think crowds at user friendly point breaks would be most at risk of blowing out big time if the number of overall surfers was increased by the uptake of wave pools.

That and Indo, which is happening already.

But yeah, close-out beachies will remain gloriously uncrowded.

I think people who learn in the pool will stick to the pool

I highly doubt that.

Much more likely they will band together and surf socially at surf breaks on the weekend/holidays etc etc.

And with zero idea about etiquette.

Change is a coming.

What will the consequences be?

Some localities will band together and enforce more rigid forms of localism to try and stave off the chaos. Thats a typical primate/human response to a situation of scarce resources/territory.

Others will be overrun by sheer force of numbers, like what happens now at certain breaks.

Interesting bit of history on this you dug up @thermalben

So, what's the history of Webber wave pool spruiking and delivery? Surely you are over running his puff piece marketing BS spin by now.

And, just for comparison, what does that Logan based, Webber wave pool, development site look like ATM? Has construction even started yet?

Everyone's who's worried about crowds, here's the deal.
Melbourne for how large it is, has relatively a small surfing population.(most also live an hour from the waves).
Coupled with the fact it has the coldest waters in the mainland Aust, really stifles the chances of creating a strong youth surfing population.
The waves can also be super heavy. Conditions uninviting, coastal real estate is super expensive. It really doesn't allow for the same talent pool as say Sydney, Newy, Goldy, Sunny Coast. I don't think crowds should be a factor....
I haven't lived there(Vic ) in ten years though... I just can't really see it changing anything though....

To surf in Vic you have to be super committed and have at least two good wetsuits in my opinion. There's also plenty of uncrowded waves also... Cue Vic Local....

These stinkin pools aren’t going to improve anyone’s paddle fitness are they. So unlikely that this place will turn newbys or part timers into meaningful wave competition. A massive part of a good surf session is being able to power back to the takeoff zone.
Repeatedly.
Enjoy your mademade crap.

So I was involved in some market research for this pool (agreed to under the promise of receiving a free double pass, yet to materialise). I don't think there was an NDA, but I'll keep it to a few amusing/interesting things I remember. Reminder: not an employee, just stuff I remember from the session, may not be accurate etc etc.
- The prices they were throwing around sounded about what people have calculated/speculated about above, maybe a touch cheaper. I do remember thinking that the yearly pass didn't seem like such a great deal vs individual sessions, specially because they talked about the pool closing around 6 in winter.
- Also regarding winter was a comment the moderator made, something like "Oh yeah, don't worry because there'll be hot tubs next to the pool so you can stay warm between waves/after a session in winter". How cold is it going to get?
- Waves sounded pretty decent, a barrelling "reef" wave and a softer intermediate/beginner wave. They said you'd book a session for a single wave, ie: the reef left, or the intermediate right or whatever, and you'd surf just that wave for the hour. I remember the figure of 14 waves/hour per person?
- It sounded like it would be amazing for coaching: knowing the wave/having a good location for the coach/being able to talk between waves etc. Prospective new career path for ex pro: touring wavepools around the world, helping chumps from the convenience of a deck chair near the bar.
- They talked about having a boardriders club. Cool but I couldn't stop laughing at the idea of the Tulla boardriders' first competition against the Torquay crew at 8ft Bells.

The marketing and development strategy by the various wave pool companies is a story / article in itself.

Kelly n co develop the pool incognito, drop a smokin' clip and have the surf world frenzy to find it's location.

Webber froths n bubbles n darts about with announcements and 'gunna' X 100, and yet still not a sod of soil broken.

Urban surf just get on with it after releasing some info, announcement, but actually get physical progress.

The crew up North, occys mob, develop one but it fails spectacularly.

Business case, marketing, how to n not too, in full view of the world among this lot. Isn't it interesting.

And.

The best wave so far is boring, due to its repetittive nature. Go figure.

And, yep, it's $55k US for a day. Not bad money when you consider the number of waves in a day and exclusive use. Corporate market all over it. Seen the recent pics of Lewis Hamilton, the F1 driver at the pool? Now, that's a whole other level of $$$, audience and linkage.

The pond ain't about us 'average' Joe surfers. It's the new level of corporate.

But still, even with the summer northerlies, I couldn't help but think mother nature, the ocean bliss, was yet still 'better than a pool'.

We're still 10-20 years from seeing how the wave pool race will washout.

Not all will succeed which will mean some expensive holes in the ground.

Wonder how much water to fill it and how much electricity needed to run it.

The one in Spain is 1.7m, this one is 2.0m

I can’t really imagine that people’s level of stoke would remain that high to surf the same small wave over and over.
I bet If you asked the pro’s hand on heart what they think of surfing Kelly’s pool there’d be at least 50% who’d be happy flag it for a real wave.
I guess reasons for why people surf is changing with each generation and as Ben said earlier, us everyday surfers probably aren’t their main market.
Give me that close out beachie to myself, turn up enough and those barreling days with no one out come

Wave pools . . . MEH !

Thanks for the article Ben. Good work. Definitely got the crowd revved up. I think I'll stick to whipping into 50 waves behind my ski at 40k's an hour for 3 hours burning 25 litres of fuel at an empty head high beachie. Very easy to do. Costs 30 bucks for 2 people and stoke for weeks. All numbers game. Who's the winner. The biggest grinner.

Ski, head high beachie?

My two cents on wave pools and crowds in Vic.
The standard walk-in customer at a wave pool is going to be a complete novice looking for a one-off experience. In other words, the guests will be looking for a surf school type experience. (And don't fucking start with that Vic Local runs a surf school BS).
At the advertised price per session, it would cost a small fortune for a beginner to develop enough skills to be competent in the ocean.
The argument that a wave pool will increase the profile of surfing, getting more people into the sport, is tenuous at best.
Here's 10 other factors that have resulted in massive crowds on the Surf Coast.
1. Population explosion in soulless places like Armstrong Creek/ Ocean Acres etc.
2. Casualisation of the workforce
3. The proliferation of small business owners on the coast who have flexible work hours.
4. Fit as fuck older surfers. Donny is 75 and still surfing the pop. in 1980, 30 was an old surfer.
5. Deakin Uni expansion bringing more uni students into the region.
6. The increased international presence of hangers on for the Rip Curl Pro. Is there a bigger pest in the water than a 23 year old "assistant sales executive" touring head office in Torquay.
7. More clueless backpackers who want to tick "surfed Bells" off their bucket list.
8. Much better wetsuits getting crew into the water and extending session times.
9. Social media and fuckwits rocking up to the beach and getting on their phones a nano second after the first decent set rolls in.
10. Surf Forecasters whipping Melbourne surfers into a frenzy with long range predictions of great waves allowing people to reschedule their work and family life.
If you reckon a surf pool in Melbourne will cause crowds in Victoria, I reckon you're missing the bigger picture.

Well said..

The difference a wavepool in Melbourne will make is 5/8ths of fuck all. The horse has already bolted on the Surfcoast:

Don't know what all the fuss is about, you can't stop progress! It's just like lifts up a mountain at a ski resort to me, it'll be a thing of the past.

If the capacity numbers are correct the pool may have the reverse effect on crowds pulling seemingly hundreds per day out of coastal carparks? I don't see those numbers being filled on an ongoing basis though.
Also can't see anyone progressing from beginner to even intermediate level at $10 per wave or whatever. It would cost a fortune to get the time on the board to do so.

10 good points there VicLocal.

How long does it take a non surfer to learn, progress to a short board, get paddle fit and then become a problem in good waves? Years? If its over 2 foot a wave pool surfer will not make it out at most spots.

$100 an hour seems insane to me. Everyone complains about lift tickets in Australia being $120+ now and thats for a full day! 12-14 waves an hour is the best case scenario. Allow for wipeouts, people getting in the way, and you are down to less than 10. Not very inviting from my perspective. $ for fuel, $100 for the hour, food etc, get 10 ok waves in a pool next to the freeway with planes constantly flying over head, people watching waiting their turn, I'm pretty sure i'd regret not just surfing for free at the beach and getting about 20 waves in 1-2 hours as usual.

For any actual surfers within an hour i'd say the price for a year will be of much more interest. Also prices for 2-3 hour sessions with your own group and a coach etc.

Its a great Idea for a business. Broadmeadows ice dealers (often from very religious families) have the cash to surf there - learn to surf there. After all look at what the Russians (mafia?) have done for Indo Boat Trips in last 10 years.

Who can translate Chinese?

well lets hear it for south korea

The Wavegarden/Snowdonia open in UK can host 3 advanced surfers, + 3 intermediate and 8 beginners in the water at any time. On one side of the pool. But the pool has 2 sides. That's at least 28 paying customers per hour.
The train runs every 90 seconds, back and forth, making 40 waves per hour.
They calculate 28 people x 40 waves = "1120 waves" an hour.
There's no "swell period" to be calculated because it's a marketing trick.
The advanced and intermediate surfers wait for their wave for 4'30'' each time, surfing 13 waves per hour.
For advance surfers:
the first guy catch the first wave in one direction, then stop, the second guy (waiting at the other end) catch the next wave in the opposite direction, then stops, the third guy (waiting where the first guy started from) catches the next train, then stops, the first guy catches his second wave going back, then stops, and so on.

I reckon this will playout similar to Rampfest. Started out full of scooter driving grometts, lots of injuries, hassels then got systemised and numbers dropped off. I'd give it a go when there are less numbers, when an ocean surf is not on (say 2 am when I'm returning from a flight)

In the 1980s i used to surf spots around bells by myself midweek. I also used to surf in seabreeze and onsbore conditions at prime spots when all the fussy locals stayed home. Sounds crowded these days but victoria has so much surf i still think you would get a swag of waves there if you are not fussy and used your brain. Still things sure have changed but dont forget how good you have got it.
I get swags of waves at the super bank using timing and positioning - just not on the really good days - and that is said by someone who hates crowds.

"I also used to surf in Seabreeze and on shore"................. Funny no one has mentioned the direction the pool has been built ? South West, (Vic prevailing wind) would be straight 'on shore'

I was just reading this interview by Stab magazine at https://bit.ly/2tdAlcn this response caught my eye.
"you can have someone who’s never touched a surfboard before, they can have their first hour with us and be standing up and feeling good. They can have their second hour trimming along a green face and by the third hour they’d be confident paddling around the lagoon, getting into waves themselves."
I am a beginner, and at my age, yes I am a spring chicken punching well over fifty, I see this as an opportunity to practice and consolidate skills such as balance, foot placement, turning and shortening the learning curve.
From my perspective the wave pool is a "simulator", I train people for a living and use simulators and they are very, very effective. It is a tool for the learner that removes some of the danger and environmental constraints and allows them to focus on and consolidate core skills to a much higher level. The "Etiquette"and other environmental constraints we have to deal are still going to be learnt at the beach. For me coming off the back of injury and illness, if the Webber pool was running I would be there in a heart beat to try and shorten my learning curve and increase my fitness and recovery for the ocean. I travel to Melbourne a few times a year, I will definitely give this a crack when it opens and I am down there.
Cheers!

Very good update wrap swellnet...

Countries that traditionally allow Hard edge surfboards in wave pools ...
1936 UK / 1966 Japan / 1969 U.S. /1987 S.A. + more recently Euro/Asia

1986 Aust's 1st Wavepool (Still No surfboards)(Aqua-planers were Banned in 2005)
Victoria is yet to allow Surfboards in their Wavepools
East Coast Wave pools(NT/Qld/NSW) permit Soft Surfboards / No leggies

Cost/hour-NT $23/ Qld $30/ NSW $25(min 2hrs)(Choice of 10 wave designs >1.5m)
Includes min crowd/Wave DJ /Lifeguard-Coach/Board/Wettie top/Photo/Drink+snack.
$ 20/hr BYO covers basic costs...$30/hr is peak/premium. (To pay more is a Rip Off!)

2018 W.A. is 1st Oz state to permit Fibreglass Surfboards but no leggies in wavepool
These W.A. fibreglass surfboards are being phased out for M.F. Softies

Surfing Australia runs Grom schools in existing Wave Pools.
2007 Huey's cave of Waves was first Stand up Board Lessons morning hours
[Oz standard]4 min-8 max surfers Softboards per Wave break
URBNSURF [re:4 breaks] 'max' = 32 surfers > OZ Wave Pool safety laws (2007)

URBNSURF dangerously ramps up numbers with banned Fibreglass craft & Leggies
Leggies interfere with conveyor style ride operation. re: [All Clear Next > Ready Go]
URBNSURF wildly rips up commercial OZ Wavepool Safety Guidelines.

Ramping may lead to Compo for (safe) 'Surfing Australia' Wavepool programs.
Hard to believe existing Wave Pools can retrofit fibreglass/Plastic wavecraft.
Ask why just one o/s operator can bypass Oz safe Surfing Wavepool guidelines?

Pollies will bankroll SLSA Sunday sessions for Nippers >> into arvo training sessions.
Wet'n'Wild Sydney Wave Pool runs Oz Surf Groms + Nippers on Sundays

Fri/Sat Nights in W.A.Surf House runs AWM kidz (prizes & comps).
Keen Surfboard riderz will likely be curfewed to surf for the Dole Hours.

As for Surf Comps in Stadiums.
1930's Wavepools had 6,000 seat arenas.Local Municipal swim comps seat 500(min)
Today's wavepool Lords dust off a dozen Corona Beer Umbrellas for the Pro Comps.

Both World's & Oz oldest commercial Wave Pools still operate to packed crowds.

boys you can keep ya wave pools nothing like a paddle in the brine with mother nature all around ya
good for the soul
i lived on the vics west coast for 30 plus years sounds like the crowd situation is getting bad i moved out about 7year ago the bloody cold water no good for me old bones
i'm now living on a rock in the south pacific warm water and fuck all crowds plenty of surfers come here but the sheep mentality keeps nearly all of them in one area
my advice to you all is keep searching paradise is out there!!

I remember when I was living on the Gold Coast doing a couple of days down south for a surf trip to a fairly mechanical wave, and adding up the costs of fuel, accommodations etc and worked out the per hour cost for the trip (for waves only) at just over $60. I scored really good 4ft waves, but still had to deal with the intricacies of the locals and other crowds. $100 per hour to get x number of perfect waves per hour guaranteed? Sign me up!!!

Just an anecdote from the real world for those who think people will not progress from absolute beginners to being capable of being out in the ocean.

I drove this English guy from London down to Byron the other day. We got chatting. He told me he'd learnt to surf , from scratch, at Snowdonia.

Apparently they have weekend packages......maybe 2 or 3 hundred quid......accom, food and surfing all day in the Pool. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
So 4 or 5 hundred bucks.

1st weekend he went from a foamy going straight in the white water to a mini-mal cutting across the green face.
2nd weekend he was on a Firewire shortboard cutting across and doing elementary turns.
3rd weekend he's going up and down.

He's now a surfer for an investment of 3 weekend and $1500.
Chicken feed for a guy making good money in the city.

He now travels looking for surf.
Been to Indo etc etc.

I thought he might have been bullshitting me but ran into him surfing 4ft punchy Tallows.
How did he get out? Followed every other cunt out in the rip at Cosy Corner.

Could he surf?

Kind of. It wasn't pretty to watch but he was in there catching waves and turning.

Seeing that totally changed my thinking on how easy it is to learn when you take all the variability of the ocean out of the equation and guarantee waves to ride.

that was a long drive

hahhaa......yeah.
Coolie airport to Byron, in actuality.

He was late 20's, early 30's.

It’s been said before , but in 10 years time you’ll be fondly reminiscing about the crowds of today.

Best hope that virtual reality gets here ASAP.

Last winter crowds really went ballistic here.

Small clean days were infested with euros learning to surf.
Biggish clean days were infested with euros learning to surf.

Most east coast point breaks are very easy for people to paddle out in.

The other day I watched this scantily clad euro babe struggling to surf the local semi closeout beach break.
Her boy friend was with her....trying to talk her through it.
She took about 20 mins to get out, most of which entailed her, semi-naked, trying to get her (tiny) Cossie back on.

She finally made it out back. The resulting nose dive take-off was spectacular.

The good old days are right now.

Better hope the Aussie dollar doesn’t nose dive anymore or Australia will rocket to global destination No 2 for the Adult learner invasion.

Indo number 1

Mate seriously, I've had several surfs in the last 18months where English speakers have been totally outnumbered by Spanish/portugese/French/German speakers.

The euro kook invasion has been intense.

I heard there are about 500000 overseas students here on study visas.
I think about 499999 of them are living between Suffolk park and Burleigh.

For them, it's safety in numbers.
The first van load to arrive gets the smartphone out and Facebook livestreams it to their mates and calls them in.

When they overwhelm a break with sheer force of numbers the resulting chaos prevents any kind of normal regulation.

Thanks freeride76 for sharing colourful (Eurotrippers [L]ogbooks)
Fantastic weekend read & fabulous detail embedded into storylines...Look out Stu!

Just like to note that some people are mentioning Kswc as being a viable option.
Not sure how much a wave costs . it just doesn't seem a viable option for a surf park.
Has anyone here surfed the Kswc fiasco?

Probably not as no one could afford it ?

Have any local shapers in Vic built or designed a wave pool board yet?

Surf Nazis must die !

Looks like its going to aimed at the haves. At those prices, they've gone mad!!!

URBNSURF in Jan/19 launched a new open info site... by Feb it's sub' access only?

If any Swellnetonians jumped the URBNSURF sharknet...feel free to share intel.
Love to know if Basherz can crash thru these Fibreglass sealed Cement Ponds?

I scrounged around to get an 'Elite Precinct' Australian Surf Business sample-bag.
https://asbmag.com/urbnsurf-raises-28-3-million-for-australias-first-sur...

[WARNING] URBNSURF is recycling 100% Melbourne Airport PFAS Stormwater
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-31/toxic-chemicals-spread-into-water...

Pause!
URBNSURF reckon they can achieve near drinking water quality into Wavepool. WTF
Gold Coast Airport has the only East Coast PFAS Plant...None would drink that water.
Hi tech state of the art PFAS Plant would cost more than the WavePool.

URBNSURF filtration could free 100 Oz Towns of PFAS. (Oz day medals all round!)
Huge claim! Not even started to build it let alone filtrate? (Something Smells Fishy!)
Mrs Marsh: PFAS tastes great & eats thru wetsuits like water gets into this chalk.'

300,000 + visitors/year...(note: Summer madness + (non heated) Winter Boycott!)
All 'non surf' spectators must pay entry fee...(Sorry!)
All surfcraft are permitted including Logs + SUP's (Again Sorry!)
84/Surfers > 6 zones (14 surfers each break) Surfing Aust standard is 4 /Oz max is 8
Pricing is via Membership Tier / Surf Zones / per Hour
3 tier Training Squads [L]>[P]>{#1}
Beach Club/Fitness Club. (Rip Curl hire wettie fees for all Beach-Wave Classes).

As said in above comment SLSA (Pokies) Club + RLS Victoria are frothin'.
URBNSURF Boardriderz Club.
Essendon FC brunch dip (Mad Monday Media Lockdowns)
Banky Wave Pool Wallpaper Gallery / Miss Myer pet wavepool model runway

Swellnetonians can dip their toes into current Wavepool fare to compare.
East Coast Wave Pool Pricing $22-$30/hr (All are Premium- all inclusive packs)
10 wave settings to 1.5m are determined by Surf Coach as to Class ability level.
[L] 2hr Before/Post open hours(Approx)

WA Surf House is a truer 'Surfboard Culture' Commercial Wave Model.
$80/hr (Board + Helmet included) Lockers are extra.
3 month Pass $600 entitles max 30 mins / day (3mins only)
Free entry for Spectators...No mention of BYO Board savings ???
3 wave settings + speed dial
{Important}
*Sweetspot 'Pro' setting is reserved for The Boyz Sat' arvo > night boozefest !

Flow'wave allows 4 min-10 max surfers each session (2 buddies can party wave)
Schools (Part/Full/Multi day or a/h + Term Packs) = [L] Fridays Midday to Evening
'Partyhour lineup for half hour settings thru any given day (8-12 guests)

The Wavepool recipe is same here as everywhere.
[L] dose Riverdance feeds Friday Kidzfest ramps up Sat Night Pro Disco Splashdown.
Sunday morning Nippers recycle the Coronas from the deep end.
More Mad Monday shameful displays ...

Same as your local wavebreak only with artizan brewed slime for Vic elite precinct .

Go the wave pool, bit of virtual living, I hope it happens, me I prefer the ocean & always will, one question, why is society & the powers that be always trying to ???

URBNSURF bypasses convention by resourcing toxic sites.

Wavegarden cove R & D site sits at 'Home' World Tooling capital Basque Country.
Water (Top Ups- release) by local River.

Slum Lord Sites...

Snowdonia was a derelict Toxic Aluminium Plant
Wavepool Water supplied cheaply by Plant-Lakes > Old Hydro Dam.

NLand was built on vacant cattle dip Ranch site
Wavepool Water supplied by neighbouring onsite cut canals > reservoir
This got a bit messy with local Govt...Turn of a phrase saved them...see below.

Melbourne site is built on Toxic PFAS Airport Site
Wavepool Water is harvested from Airport Runoff.

Sydney site is Built on Toxic PFAS dump site.
Wavepool Water aims to tap into Sydney Park Water reuse project

Perth is also built on Classified Toxic Dump (2003) Restricted Use.
Wavepool Water is to be sourced & filtered from on site Groundwater Supplies.

It seems the Toxic Sites override standard site inspections due to Toxic site Hazards.
Cheap 2nd rate Water supply sources relabel the thirsty park as Eco friendly!
"Wave Lagoon" is exempt from 'Wave Pool' Water Quality + Pool Safety Laws.
These guys would make Qld Whiteshoe Brigade blush.

Don't say swellnetonians never tested the waters & I won't say I told you so!

In case you're wondering a Wave 'Lagoon' (Park) is approx 20,000 square Feet.
Larger body of water bypasses annoying Pool laws. Self certifies as in Festivals.
Kidz drop like flies at Oz Festivals...never have to refund a Ticket. [ Stamp here ]
Well worth reading the boring detail...(US version)
https://www.theinertia.com/surf/did-the-brain-eating-amoeba-scare-reveal...

Here's latest Airport Wavepool PFAS report...(Race 12 set wave 3 for a clean ride)
http://www.greencareer.net.au/archived-news/melbourne-warned-of-pfas-rivers

URBNSURF Snowdonia had 2 lining tears & NLand tear flooded the neighbourhood.
A tiny tear in Oz Pool lining (Lifeguard sounds PFAS Alarm) [ WAVEPOOL CLOSED ]

Splash ( Issue 111 ) April-May 2017 (Pages 48-53) [Check out Oz Wavepool wrap]
https://issuu.com/theintermediagroup/docs/splash_april_-_may_2017

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/surf-rage-on-the-rise-at-surf...

Surf Rage on the Surf Coast. Article features comments from a local surfing legend rumored to be employed as a coach at URBn surf.

Pool ready to be filled...Waves real soon.

Any pics?

"Aerial view from above"

As opposed to "Aerial view"?

[NEWS] URBNSURF Adelaide

URBNSURF believe they have found a city site pending structural issues.
Water/Power costs were tricky SA factors
.
*Surfing South Australia are backing URBNSURF Adelaide.

*SA Govt believes it can equally support a Surfing arena as other sports.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/urbnsurf-eyeing-adel...

tbb apologizes to crew for not giving News Title - Article Date.
Adelaide Advertiser 30/ March /2019
'URBNSURF eyeing Adelaide site to build a wave pool for surfers'

Non subscribers can access story via Adelaide Advertiser 30/March/2019
facebook or Twitter ( 'Wave pool for Adelaide ? Sounds swell' )

Urbnsurf just potentially gave away the biggest hint at the pricing of this thing on their Instagram.

Despite only days ago saying pricing would be released later in the year (and that it would be in the "double digits" like we should be thankful it's not going to cost over $100 a pop), they just posted a picture of a double pass they are giving away in one of their stories, in which you could clearly see the fine print... which read:

"The nominated pass holder is entitled to one double pass valued of 2 x surf sessions or 2x group surf lessons at URBNSURF Melbourne up to a value of $160."

So we could assume that both surf sessions and lessons will cost $80 each (per hour session?) or we could assume that lessons will be the more expensive of the two and maybe a surf session will be a tad less than $80. Or could we assume that $80 may be the maximum cost once you include board/wetsuit hire etc?

Seems fairly pricey either way ($5-8 per 10 second wave?) but as a Melbournite, assuming the waves are actually good quality at this thing, this will probably be worthwhile once in a while. Especially on weekends when the 5+ hour round trip for a surf is just not going to happen (which is most when you have a 3 year old kid).

Vicco coastal dwellers should be loving this. Might keep the weekend warriors at bay.

$80 per hour would seem reasonable since the developer needs to make return on the investment
The question is simple how,any waves do you get per hour to yourselves how will they control your typical wave hog and how many surfers in the water
1000 waves per hour is amazing that's a wave every 3.6 seconds so they will be close together and turbulence may be an issue

Is it 1000 waves per hour or 1000 rides per hour? I.e. 40ish people each side of the lagoon, split into advanced out the back and beginners riding the reforms. So 250 waves per group. 10-12 waves each per hour.

In terms of control, I assume you're going to have to queue for your waves.... not sit in a pack like the real deal.

Good work crew.. your reward is an 'Oz Wavepool Shopping Tour' (Original 6/4/2019)
tbb wishes to point out you can ride many other beaut indoor Oz Wavepools
Note: most current wave pools have 10 or more settings for surf Instructors to tweek.
{Key} [L]essons [P]arking (P)arty #Update
(No- s'urf / b'odyboards) (soft'boards) (a'fter / h'ours) (o'ff / p'eak)

1986 GC Wet'n'Wild "Giant WavePool" (No s/b) $79/day
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BC2HCN/people-wading-in-the-giant-wave-pool-at...

2005 NSW"Outback Bay" WavePool (No s/b) $60/day (*best current Oz wavepool)
Love this Skeg checking out empty left line-up!
https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g528970-d1551445-...

2006 GC "Hueys Cave of Waves" (No s/b) $85/day + a/h [L] $85/2hrs (soft) Small...
https://static.smarttravelapp.com/data/pois/15625_W1_1513151911.jpg
http://www.travelguide.net.au/listing/wave-pool-surf-school/9975

2010 Darwin "Wave Lagoon"(Bodyboards) $7/day + a/h [L] $200/8hrs (soft-Groms)
see lineup below (currently = *2nd best Oz wavepool with *Sydney)

2013 Syd Wet'n'Wild "The Beach"(No s/b) $70/day + a/h [L] $45/hr (soft) $32 deal
https://www.groupon.com.au/deals/surfing-nsw?CID=AU_AFF_5600_225_5383_1&...
https://www.surfingaustralia.com/states/nsw/news/surfing-nsw-wet-n-wild-...

2018 W.A"Aloha Surfhouse"BYO any/all $78/hr+ $39/hr(o/p)+(P) a/h[L]$200/4hrs
# 2 for 1 Thursdays = $39 each (Commences 27/6/2019)
Please note this an AWM Surfable Flow Barrel (Hybrid) wavepool
https://www.alohasurfhouse.com.au/surf/about-the-waves/
https://www.alohasurfhouse.com.au/

2018 Melbourne "Volcano Beach" (No s/b) $48/day +(Cool tour video) Small...
http://www.funfields.com.au/latest-news/9-news-melbourne-at-new-wave-poo...

2019 Melb."URBNSURF"any/all (2016' Ross-$ 50/hr + $20/hr o/p)[L] $80/hr?

# 6/6/2019(Melbourne Airport URBNSURF Comp Prize 20/12/2018- 6/May/2019)
Ticket/Prize is valid for 6 months from URBNSURF new open date (Spring 2019)
URBNSURF "Double" Pass valued @ $140 as of (20/12/2018) Airport comp start.
tbb hints Hourly fee is averaging out @ (2016-$50 > Dec 2018-$70 + [L] $80)
https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/Passengers/Terms-conditions/2019-Mel...

(Add -Wavepool Gate Fee) + Airport "Elite Precinct" [P] $29 for 1-2hrs
Skybus $38 rtn (off peak Boards OK)walk from A'Port -Bus/Trams No Boards

URBNSURF (approx)...$40[P] or SkyBus + $5 Entry + $80/hr Wave Pool =($125/hr)

Darwin (Special Review) has approved Surfing Australia groms program.
Note: Darwin Wavepool bodyboarderz (Yr/Pass) $1/week or less than 1.cent/wave
Here's what you get for 1 cent /hour...(Pool changes 10 settings + 20 waves / min)

empty lines anyone?
https://www.topendshortstays.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/IOB066834...
Wild Soup Bowl?
https://beachsafe.org.au/beach/nt/darwin/darwin/darwin-wave-lagoon
Ramps Ok?
https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g255066-d3561491-...
Swashbucklin'?
https://thriftyfamilytravels.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DSC_0052-min...
Rebounds?
https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0a/68/70/7c/the-wave-poo...
Throw Downs?
https://inspiringtravellers.com/darwin-kakadu-australia/

tbb mentioned some baby indoor wavepools check out Pro surfers bath tubs
https://www.visitmelbourne.com/-/media/atdw/melbourne/things-to-do/famil...
https://www.localfitness.com.au/casey-arc-narre-warren/wave-pool-narre-w...

Does anyone know the current status of this? I’m about to start work in Craigieburn and this wave pool might just keep me sane from being away from the island!

Sorry Amosjo. A wave pool with a left like G Land and a right like J Bay still won't keep you sane in Craigieburn.

tbb thinks he found a pulse ...maybe a sign of life......beep...^...beep ___________
Twas Easter! Melburnians are betting on Melbourne Spring Racing Carnival opener.

URBNSURF Spring Collection fashion stakes...latest model...
Girlfriend can translate when she's online shopping for her URBN cup fascinator.
http://www.treadmills2019.assuranceautoenligne.co/what-is-there-to-do-in...
You all thought tbb was having you on!...go grab yer girlfriends to sort retard shop talk!
Makes tbb speak seem almost normal...I said almost!

These articles are actually written in code (Really)...It's called 'Lorem Ipsum'
tbb will get Melburnians started by gifting the decoder you'll need.(Serious)

[Pause] I won't rain on Melbourne's Parade ...I promise I never looked!

Here's your {Decoder} You'll need to type in the whole passage of script.
http://demo.atozseotools.com/en/url-encoder-decoder

Take a punt! Could be a Joke or an URBNSURF Golden Ticket (Laugh!)

Same company hooks Sydney URBNSURF -Vissla-Newcastle-Manly in 2019 combo?
http://www.aksesorismuslimpriashopping.rokkmedia.co/store/swim-with-dolp...'s-on:-vissla-sydney-surf.html?x=wwwaksesorismuslimpriashopping

Using Airport Precinct [P] / Skybus-fare + comp ticket value + 2016 >19 inflation.
tbb updated URBNSURF min' $125 -1st hr - above link re: 6 June 2019 comment
After Skybus return fare = Pool rate $80/hr...Car [P] Airport rates click as you $urf.
No tap turning here!

re: China & Surf Lakes have each run a half full bath.

https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/456264

https://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2018/10/27/second-look-s...

TB: Decoder is more plagiarist than translating linguist.
I tried both Pataku and True Blue.
Cryptics of the world untie.
Let the pool race begin.

Heard a whisper they are having construction issues.

Great work icandig ...sorry no Gold Ticket!
Cryptics of the world untie...
"Let the pool race begin."
Seriously! Someone posted several www pages to spruik a pool race start?

[ News ]
Meanwhile at Sydney URBNSURF WavePool site ...Sydney Olympic Park.
Sydney Water...(Contract Work)
Several members of a work crew were overcome by strong fumes.
Thurs May 2nd 2019 One worker complained of light-headedness and nausea.
Fri/Sat ...the same worker returned back to the site.
Sun...This worker then sadly died at home. {R.I.P}
As of this Thursday 20th June 2019 said site is closed until further notice.

Guessing this may directly foul or close any 'future' Wavepool plumbed to same site.
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/sustainability/death-of-worker-at-syd...

Note: NSW/VIC/WA Urbnsurf Oz Wavepool sites are all Govt/council Toxic hotspots.

https://www.remediationaustralasia.com.au/index.php/news-and-views/fring...
file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/Web_FS_Remediation_2015.pdf

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-31/toxic-chemicals-spread-into-water...

https://www.dpaw.wa.gov.au/images/documents/conservation-management/rive...

Toxic site runoff water is sourced freely or affordably then filtered for Wavepools.
tbb is not suggesting anything untoward as PFAS is tabled as a lesser evil in Oz.
No one is hiding the fact...all seem to be adhering to Aust Govt standards.

Jump on in, the water's fine.
Standard Govt issue Wave Pool wetties...DUCK ROLL COVER
https://www.1millionwomen.com.au/blog/artist-goes-surfing-apocalyptic-wo...

I think I prefer the ocean.

swellnet have well informed of PFAS runoff here & Stu's "Something in the water"
https://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2019/01/08/something-water

Here again tbb passes on current info... Vic EPA bans swimming/fishing near Airport.

Oz has a long history of Defence,Aviation & Municipal Toxic Dumping on Floodplains.
Massive Seachange shift demanded recreation facilities nearer the coastal cities.
As demand grew, these Larger Toxic Sites were top dressed as Sports Ovals.
As Sports ovals grew to sporting Complexes (Pokies) the hunger for water increased.

Economics demanded cost neutral 'Toxic' groundwater watering of said fields.
Resulting in Sportsmen's injuries that never healed or responded to antibiotics.

Society demanded that a register be established to warn public of risks.
Civic groups demanded Media direct EPA to pressure Councils,Defence & Aviation.

Fast Forward to now...

Councils treat Wastewater to drinking water quality in inner city zones..ABCD scale

Example 1-Sydney Olympic Park a Govt remediated Sports condo Tourism showcase.
Creek & near site is Prohibited as of Thursday 20th June 2019

Today's follow up News of recent death buries toxic link as a lesser evil footnote...
https://www.smh.com.au/national/conditions-at-olympic-park-clean-up-unbe...

Gold Coast PFAS runoff prohibits swimming at WSR Coolangatta Ck/Beach (Kirra)
Ban is still in place since Oct 2017
Airports adopted marine based chemicals + Contain or remediate toxic sites as GCA...
https://enviropacific.com.au/projects/remediation-pfas-impacted-groundwa...

Melbourne Airport PFAS likewise prohibits swimming in nearby Creeks re: Sept/2018
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-22/melbourne-residents-warned-from-m...

[PAUSE] PFAS shuts over 100 Towns & many more recreational /fishing waterways.

Melbourne Airport are filtering PFAS thru a Wave Pool & containment where needed.
EPA announced Study in Sept 2019...hence the swimming ban (Filtered Surfing?)
note: Wave Pool maybe delayed until report findings? tbb advises crew to check EPA.
Please! Understand tbb is not picking on URBNSURF nor Melbourne Airport.
Just that Vic's roll of the dice is here & now & World is watching your every move!

The whole nation is hosing PFAS over Urban Coastal Wetlands as the norm.
tbb stresses that Large Urban Wave Pools can only afford Toxic Sites + Waste water.
Wave Pools slosh more water than Nuclear reactor...Top grade drinking water is not on.
Consider $10/hr per kid for C Class Oval water or $100 per athlete for A grade Stadium.
URBNSURF filters for Council and charges $80hr for finest drop in town.(Premium)
So now Airport Toxic waste fuels premium cost Wave Pool. (What Govt stops that?)

WA stopped Wavepool on Noise/Loss of Amenity + Council fake notice boards.
Council were charging URBNSURF $700,000 yr for urban Toxic Parkland...
Note: Govts/Councils also grant Huge dollars for innovative Wave Pool Attractions.
WaveParks are new thus premium, now fetching $100/hr anywhere in Oz.
Relocation of Bowls club + Big Union Club would face higher water charges.
Imagine Footy mums & Bowls Grans stumping up $100/hr to compete for water.

tbb reckons this is the underlying reason that Wave pools aren't welcome.
Simply because they upgrade the local murky brew to Yuppie Surf label range.
Fine for White Trash but not decent town folk. Get Out & take yer fancy piss with yer!

Prime real estate demand/s- OZ Govts downgrade PFAS danger. Nothing suss Norm!
tbb wishes Melburnians Wave Of the Day in new URBNSURF Wave Pool.
Common sense dictates all now run a microscope over every City Wave Pool site.

Melbourne Airport EPA : Prohibits Swimming/fishing (Council drinking water is fine)
Public Report released asap / Code: (Involves all parties so could take a while!)
EPA's jurisdiction at Melbourne Airport (Harbouring Urbnsurf Wave Pool) is limited
URBNSURF promise Drinking Quality Water but (Pets/gromites/Pregos are banned?)
https://www.epa.vic.gov.au/about-us/news-centre/news-and-updates/news/20...

In otherwords [ Enter at own Risk ] Sign the prenup...Lets Surf
Melbourne Pool is not Heated...wetties are for hire...

*From the URBNSURF Winter Wardrobe
https://i0.wp.com/modmanmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/CandideThovex...

In keeping with the URBNSURF hazmat dress code but slightly more nautical...

*Cheap Tuesday hire:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/44/b5/f1/44b5f152a7eb71dd06918a0ef04e9db7...

*Happy Hour-Surf Rage hire;
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/6b/e5/c5/6be5c59b782e705dd9f31e47be5c98b9--bea...

*[L]earner Hire
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/2d/4f/0b/2d4f0b8bf465500894b1f1f8bc2ae94f--vin...

[BEWARE] Bodybash'n Pool Cleaners
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/ac/72/8f/ac728f0a1836e0a44a45fd690fb0d029--afr...

*Politically correct Pet Porpoise Pool undergrads.
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/be/7f/e2/be7fe2b48cb7167951c4d0b948f6d2b7--sto...

Wonderful idea...the coast needs everything to get the tourists coming and SPENDING

Planning an URBNSURF wave pool safari.
Melbourne Airport Wave Pool is governed by Air Port traffic.
tbb's hassle free Melbourne Airport Wave Pool rules for swellnetonians.
Know before you go & save for your party wave.

Transport Victoria (Strict Surfboard Policy)
https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/more/travelling-on-the-network/luggage-allowa...

Interstate /Sky Shuttle/Airport T4 < Direct (one stop) > UWP Precinct (Not policy)
Vic Metro/Regional [tram] + (Bus) Stricly prohibits Surf Boards

WA (sleeps o/n on flight) + (SA / NSW / Tassie -FIFO day returns)[P] below

Qld cheapie $90 down < > $75 back (hire crew) or BYO Skegz +$50 return.
(1st Qld > Wave Pool 12:pm) (DST) >(Last wave 5:00pm Qld Time)>Flight home!

Walking / Skate / Cycle from Airport to Wave Pool...2.75 km (one way)
Walk has haphazard paths & odd Xings in open traffic & weather (No Taps / Dunnies)
18 Bike racks @ front entry.

Transit Titles..U.rbnsurf W.ave P.ark (W.atson Dr.ive Bus Stop) +T.erminal 4

Mbne Central [$5 Tram 59 > End] > ($5 Bus478/9) > {W'dr =U.W.P} =1hr

(Important) U.W.P Airport bus transit via (Terminal 4) [No U.W.P Surfboard Shuttle]

Mbne Central ($20 Skybus/board ok) > (T4) > ($5 Bus 478/9) >{W'dr =U.W.P} =30m

Interstate Flights >(Terminal-4)> ($5 Bus 478/9) > {W'dr =U.W.P} =5m

Slow day old school Surfboard Tipping!
Free Motel/Bistro Shuttle Bus (across rd from U.W.P)...$ board ?
Airport [P] Shuttle Bus + Trailers (across rd from U.W.P)...$ board ?

Airport < Direct > Precinct U.W.P (Shuttle/Bus Surfboard solution...soon!)
Note: Urbnsurf have made no moves...not a priority!
*UK Wave Garden has no pool hire gear charges to save carting boards.
Possible Melbourne may examine the same deal in time.

(Parking)
Wave pool has 152 Guest [P](Extra 107 peak)(No rate as yet = [P])
(Elite [P] Precinct pricing will be the order of the day)
Melrose [P] $25/day directly across the road + free Air Shuttle
https://www.melrosep.com/rates

Pacific Airport [P] $20/day have totally sussed out New Player URBNSURF [P]
http://www.pacificparking.com.au/blog/melbourne-airport-news/australias-...

Visitors must fork out this gate fee...compare UK Wavegarden.(below)

$70-$80/hr Wavepool (Based on inflation until opening day!) compare UK (below)

Wettie hire? (Urbnsurf is the only 'non heated') see UK.(All hire is in ticket cost)

Note URBNSURF Wave Pool may refuse infants & Dogs due to Water process.(see below)

Melbourne Wave Pool Accommodation
Options are affordable and or accessible.
*Airport Lodge (across road)(4 share $178 o/n room) +$8/day[P]Free Air/boards shuttle
http://www.ciloms.com.au/gallery/

*URBNSURF playground ? (No info on Child Care of Parental supervision!)
Child care (across road) 1 child $118 (day rate only)
https://www.ku.com.au/childcare/centres/kujoeyclubmelbourne

*Pet Care (across road)1 pet $23 (day rate only)
https://www.hanrob.com.au/locations/pet-hotels/melbourne-airport

(Wave Pool vs Wave Park are opposite)
Wave Pools prohibit hard craft + leashes
URBNSURF Wave Park will seek to sanction hard boards/SUP's + leashes
170 yrs Wave Pools allowed Bodysurfing but new Wave Parks wish to ban it?
New Larger Wave Parks in US/UK/OZ prohibit bodysurfing in waveface zones.
New Era of Wave Park exclusivity now favours the haves over the have nots.

Maybe Wave Parks seek to replace Bodysurfers with dolphins for eco cred.
Melbourne has unique durable pool base & may yet go all in Portobello style.
Portobello being the first Wave Pool with surfboards & amongst the crew.(Ouch!)
By mid 1960's Tokyo Surfboard segregation kicked in & US followed suit.

Beach patrols split crews to share quality waves or timed as in Theme Park Wave Pools!
Theme Parks banned hard sharp craft as it injured innocents in queues...Ouch Hey!
Try walking 3 paces with a gnarly Surf Board at Seaworld...So Sorry...Spongebob!
Better still try getting to URBNSURF Wave Park with yer board...Good Luck with that.

Geez TBB. It's like you're getting paid by another wave pool to endlessly post negative comments. Why do you care so much about the wave pool in Tullamarine? If you don't want to use it don't go.

Everyone cares because URBNSURF says every Oz town is getting one just like this!
By hook or by crook! Don't think we get a say in the matter!

tbb recommended best Wavepool Travel & Accommodation for Family + Kidz + Pets.
Helping crew budget + Wavepool + businesses...How could any read it otherwise?

I suggest you take it up with Vic Tourism as they're the ones asleep at the wheel.
Share any Vic Govt Tourism site with better wavepool info then tbb will delete his!
I can assure Victorians...Oz know less & less of this Wavepool...(Most have given up!)

What's the big deal if we found a way in & out of Melbourne Airport without asking!
Thanx for the warm Welcome...i'll be sure to stick to the back roads come the day!

Near new Airport roadworks & pedestrians are being killed around his wave pool site.
As tbb said,there are no footpaths off ped-xings (Accidents waiting to happen)
tbb was simply bringing this to people's attention...this includes locals...{R.I.P}
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/woman-killed-by-bus-at-pedes...
Again ! Photo shows yet another ped-xing without footpaths. Please take care!

3 Blue Ducks (restaurant) will open by Summer @ URBNSURF
https://www.broadsheet.com.au/melbourne/food-and-drink/article/coming-so...

Photos show Floodlights are up & pool lining being laid.
https://www.facebook.com/urbnsurf/photos/pcb.2416687418544236/2416685275...

Aussie strikes Gold in Welsh Wavegarden.
Mono wins 1st Adaptive Wave Pool Comp.
http://wavepoolmag.com/adaptive-surf-champs-fire-at-snowdonia-wave-pool/

New player in the wave pool race? You'll need to watch for a while. First look is at around 1.58 mins.

icandig starts digging about Quarries for a wavepool & strikes a Gold Nugget.
Photo is of Surf Snowdonia wavepool also unearthed from Alcoa aluminium works.
Disposing of 18 tanker loads of Heavy Metals & hydrocarbons to roll out wavepool.

tbb guesses wavepools are new pin-up models for whiteshoe urban renewal works.
The tailing ponds suit urbnsurf's free wastewater model (fact not criticism!)
Toxins are flushed by A1 UV filtering & Wave aeration + no neighbour's complaints!
Councils would find it hard to knock back a wave pool in this location...(Attraction?)

check this out ...

https://beachgrit.com/2019/08/teahupoo-setting-chinese-wavepool-malfunct...

Advertising for Skilled Lifeguards 2 hrs ago...so must be getting close ?

simba shows the SES Lifeguard bodybash'n Tryouts in Chinese Hotel Lobby!
udo...checkout Lifeguard tbb crying when he saw real girl basher'z blood...Jobz mine!

icandig your Quarry site is about 12 kms from the Olympic Surfing Hot Spot?
tbb will reveal a secret Govt report hiding a Regional Vic > Surf Coast Wavepool
Cape Otway Road Australia (CORA)
Elite Sports Training facility Accommodation & Retail Village on the Surf Coast Victoria

Cabinet- in- Confidence ...(Secret Olympic Surf Faciilty) Spot X

tbb will do his best to out some of the biggest Wavepool secrets from 214 pages.
Page 33 {Secret Spot X}-(Lake Modewarre -East Bank) Cape Otway Rd.
Page 58 Wavepool as a component (Rental Partner)
Pages 60- 61 (Plan of Wave Park)
Pages 70-72 (Sketch of Wave Pool + Surf Lodge)
Pages 80-81 Wave Pool expenses by URBNSURF
Pages 88-94 Day visitors to the wave pool
Wavepool as a Wellness centre features thru this section.

Appendix A - Cost Plan Summary
Page 1 of 6 (Surfing Wave Lake) ... Total = $ 22 ,000,000.00
Fark! Now Vic knows why this is kept top secret! (Didn't count on swellnet sleuths)

Pages 155-156 Financial Estimates for Wavepool

Study paper is dated 2017/2018
https://www.planning.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0026/415952/Docum...

Links to (Top Shelf) Govt Surf Coast resource papers (Archive) 2011-2017

Lake Modewarre ticks all the boxes for a Wave Pool supply source.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/residents-still-fishing-for-explanati...

"The CORA financial model estimates that there will be 478 wave
pool users per day or 174,470 wave pool users per year."

(and just wait until school holidays - that number will quadruple).

They could feed them eels from the lake. You're a treasure TBB....Lord knows how you find the time to dig this stuff up.

icandig up another Vic' Wavepool half secret from the 'beige net'.
22nd Feb 2017 URBNSURF (Media Release)
"Strictly embargoed from Publication until...10:00 am AEDST 22nd Feb 2018"

Top Secret File contains (4 pages) of high quality URBNSURF facts & details....

[WARNING] tbb warns this may be some secret version of Vic wave pool release?
Scroll down to bottom of Page (link)
https://www.medianet.com.au/releases/154347/

Will all these secrets fire up an Essendon vs Geelong wave pool war?

(State of Origin Spyschool Surf off) Education State vs Schoolie State

Qldurrz handed over Vic wavepool blueprints so where the bloody hell are ours!
You clever Vics will trip yourselves up with our troppo Qldurr wavepool plans.

Melbourne Wave Lagoon (Spring Collection) Bumper edition!

Article: Detailed Background Recap
http://www.surfparkcentral.com/urbnsurfandrewrossinterview/

Video (1a) Surfacing / Lining or (See main site below)

Video (1b) Bathymetry

Article : Recent events
https://www.pacificlongboarder.com/news/Melbournes-Urbansurf-wave-pool-j...

Notes: (Surf Lakes heavier waves wear thru the lining real fast)
Hence this idea! Can cop more of a pounding in the strike zone.
They have to balance what is easiest to adjust without emptying the pool? Difficult!
This thicker pool floor may allow Leggie free 'Freak peak' if required at a later date!
Possibly aiming for SUP market (Oars-Ok) Plus nippers bare feet (no grime) etc...

Video 2) New Floor

Video 3) Animated wave zones play out. (Link)
Main Site is active with all 3 vidz + 'duck in'...for jobz.
https://urbnsurf.com/

*Bonus insider'z opening Tip off for swellnet crew only...(Click link...Shh!)
KRRA Local ratepayers rogue link states Urbnsurf has delayed opening..?
http://krra.org.au/KRRA/Airport_%26_3rd_Runway.html

Turn the Taps on any day now...
tbb reckons this is the wave lagoon's fountain of gromdom.
https://www.aquatecenviro.com.au/projects/melbourne-airport-stormwater-h...
https://blog.plantminer.com.au/construction-of-urbnsurf-melbourne-to-sup...
Once full, URBNSURF only requires 20ML/yr. Airport stormwater runoff =180ML/yr

URBNSURF then run it thru own UV filters & secret herbs & spices...
As chlorine is added to this pool they may recirculate thru #1 stormwater remediation.
Pool has shiny white floor with Aqua blue chlorinated water...Resort style finish!
Not turgid like other Wave lagoons...(Very GC but with Melbourne Chic!)

Over the next few weeks URBNSURF fill the Wave Lake, but not with town water!

Background:
Melbourne Airport has previous PFAS runoff resulting in EPA restricting Creek use.
https://www.epa.vic.gov.au/about-us/news-centre/news-and-updates/news/20...

URBNSURF state clearly over again that they are harvesting Airport runoff...How so?

Both Wave Lagoons & Airports are exempt from EPA water inspection regime.
Mostly because they utilise their own water source outside of Govt/Council control.

(Other Wavepools) Euro-River, UK-Dam, US-Lake + Groundwater + Springs.
Surf Lakes gets half price town water but is not open to public so also avoids scrutiny.

Note: (Pool inspections > 5 acre )
Larger > Lakes (fresh) &/or Lagoons (fresh/saline) self regulate.

Lakes are deemed big enough to generate wave action to the shoreline. o/s examples.
UK Lake = 5 acre...reflects the smaller sized nation.
US Lake =10 acre 'This is a Lake.' (US Tourism min Lake size)
US Lake =14 acre is the regulatory cut off from Pool to Wave Lakes & Lagoons
World Lake = 20 acre is Ramsar listing for Lake size as birds spread out further.

Australian Water Regulation varies by Federal / State / Council
Australia being a dry continent may adopt smaller UK sizes.
URBNSURF = 5 acres (Airport Elite Precinct) No EPA
Surf Lakes =10 acres (Private facility) No EPA
Oz Lagoons under 5 acres...Southbank / The Strand 'Salt Pool / Seaworld Lagoon/s

Melbourne Airport still must remediate site as per World Health requirements.
As such the contaminated water must be contained and or treated.
Australian best practice harnesses 180ML of reusable water, shared within precinct.
Storm water channels feed the Rain Garden filtering water into UV system.
https://www.spiire.com.au/projects/melb-airport/
The filtering process is explained in this video...many Oz Airports are similar.
https://www.aquatecenviro.com.au/projects/melbourne-airport-stormwater-h...
Water supplies cooling towers,toilets,car washing end user Essendon FC irrigation.

Next phase is a mystery and URBNSURF are just as likely to distort process.
In light of next to no info...tbb previously made light of the water being suss.
URBNSURF limited information reflects nature of o/s events and water source.
tbb will inform the best he can with relevant collective info from URBNSURF.

URBNURF Melbourne requires 20-25ML/yr (Similar to near sports pitch of same size).
Water source is harvested largely from Melbourne Airport precinct.
Water is treated to near drinking quality water standards...(see process in above vid...)

Water then enters the Surf Park's advanced filtration system...(see below)
URBNSURF often say this stage is secret...the very reason tbb is reporting such...
The system is fitted to both Water supply & Hydraulic system + slightly chlorinated.

URBNSURF (Sydney reference) like Melbourne sources remediated near site water.
file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/ATTACHMENT+6_+Integrated+Water+Management,+Urbaqua%20(1).pdf

Here's the secret recipe as presented for approval.

Bulk screening of gross pollutants
Filtration for removal of suspended solids
Biofiltration for removal of nutrients, pathogens & algae + Turbidity reductions
Electro oxidation reducing organic loading-sunscreen,lotions,sweat,algae,pathogens
UV sterilisation to kill remaining pathogens

Secondary treatment: Sun sanitising,wave oxygenation disperses algae & pathogens.
5 point monitoring for Viruses, Toxicity, Mosquitoes, Turbidity, Chemistry.

Precautions: (Note: These are unconfirmed guidelines)
No Pool entry to most at risk under 6 yrs olds + pregnant women (Foetus).

tbb notes Wave Park changed location,design,base & opening times so as to water?

*Opening Dates are indicative.(re: above)KRRA residents group/ GQ mag (link)
https://www.gq.com.au/lifestyle/travel/australia-surf-capital-of-the-wor...
September- Wave Lake Fill (Perhaps slowly to check bathymetry & wave action)
October -Testing logistics,water outflow recycle, timing & approvals
November Pro / SLSA Demos +Tours + Shuttles + Pricing + Bookings
November (late Spring) > *Now early December Open-'Summer'(Public Entry)

Is it open/ working yet ?

They wouldn't risk sus water as the law suits would be off the scale.

Some new footage of surflakes was posted to their news feed of the website last week - Occy Jr getting a few.

Watch it unfold with interest. I like to catch a lot of waves (if I've "paid" for them such as on a major surf trip) but without hassling stress - not greedy - just want the surfed out feeling. So it will be interesting to see how 18 surfers go taking turns on the main wave. It might be smooth and easy or might feel tense and pressured - that will make a big difference to the "after taste" which will flow on to the number of repeat visits. Will people snake, hog or sneak more than their share? Who polices that?

Wouldn't you be standing on the side of the pool in a queue with some kind of lifeguard/usher telling you when it was your turn to go?

You won't be all in the water together playing happy families.

wave is quite short, so if you fall off then it's the walk of shame back to the pool edge.

When I surfed Waco, everyone sorted out the sequence before the “set” came. It was the most relaxed, orderly line up I’ve ever been in. It felt just like surfing any other novelty wave. A bit odd, but overwhelmingly it still felt like surfing to me.

so you line up? in the water?

In that pool you do. There was some space. There were 3 groups of 3, we stayed in our groups for the whole session, and the sets came in 3s in theirs. By the time you rode your wave, you’d be riding the current back out in front of the barrel watching the next group get their waves. Then your out the back again and the next group start getting their waves while you had a breather. I wouldn’t have wanted more waves

memlasurf is right as water quality & secrecy is paramount.

Truth is the whole world already approves of similar reverse osmosis UV filtering
tbb linked to Airport system(above) & won't confuse further as all vary to URBNSURF.

Defence hook up stand alone UV water filtered supplies in disaster zones.
Govt, Airports, Train Stations simply wheel & plug in a Drink Bottle Refill station.
Malls have them & supermarkets sell them...no plumbing required for newer models.

Without water pressure the stand alone recycle models do require pumps thru-out.
Return your drink bottle slops to sterilize...then top up...no refresh water line needed.
All is filtered & recycled 24/7 in one unit & only needs a top up. (Most likely via app)

One hot day & a queue then people have voted with their feet! (You gonna turn it off?)
tbb is wary of the slops bucket process but informs World wide Govt's accept it!
In that respect alone it is now considered the new normal water filtering process.

Requires way less chems than Town Water which rates higher than bottled water.
The argument comes down to a slops bucket refill is cleaner than bottled & tap water.
This is why Councils & Govts approve any mention of trendy UV process.
In this case or others the proponents brag their smaller lake is purer than reservoir.

URBNSURF adds chlorine which means it can't be flushed to creeks but be recycled.
Possible that the chlorine could sterilize the Airport run off channels as a bonus?
UV filter is precise and constrains the Lake flow volumes. Not ideal in larger Lakes.

New ultrasonic waves are used to filter much larger Lakes both quicker & easier.
http://environment.govmu.org/English/eia/Documents/Reports/2017/2712-hot...
Again the ultrasonic filtering only requires an app for maintenance.

Govt's are testing both for Dams & Power plants / mining ponds.
Ultra - (Violet / Sonic) are now prime water filter techniques.

Changing of the Guard.
SLSA are long saluted volunteer Life Savers.
Education Departments generally adopt Royal Lifesaving Society guidelines.
https://www.ausleisure.com.au/news/royal-life-saving-calls-for-mandatory...
RLSS draft Flatwater & Pool guidelines < > Paid Lifesaving Australia Life Guards
https://www.ausleisure.com.au/news/life-saving-victoria-introduces-new-s...
https://www.ausleisure.com.au/news/life-saving-victoria-activates-new-pu...
Wave Pools adopt similar as do many Councils + APOLA (1974) #1 professionals.

SLSA hold patrols + Nipper comps in NSW & NT Wave Pools
https://www.active.com/sydney-nsw/water-sports/surfing-programs/sydney-w...

Surfing Australia run Surf Schools in NSW / QLD / NT...Wave Pools

Oz Flow waves hold World Champs to Local groms comps

URBNSURF won't be breaking any new ground as such...or so it seems?

Recap: Vic Lifesaving can provide World Class patrol / lesson package...sign here!

URBNSURF (Job description) Life Guard Programs Manager...
Hybrid Life Guards training Course
Urbnsurf Life saving Club
Primary School -High School education curriculum
Work with Surf Instructor to create comps.
Life Guard is to work with Education Bodies / Lifesaving Bodies ? / Surfing Victoria.
Urbnsurf Boardriders Club...mostly local comps > Pro/Ams

URBNSURF may well be pioneering Ocean safety School pool program certificates.
Such a program would be exclusive. (School Surf/Nippers is a huge untapped market)
Nippers now need exclusive toys & push well into weekday afternoons & beyond.
Unlimited school nipper Gold Passes would send Boardriderz to the back of the line.

Govt funded clubbies have long bullied local public swimming pools.
Local pool sees full paying public roped into one lane when Clubbies arrive. (True!)
Be wishful thinking that a wave pool full of AIS-Clubbies is gonna be any different.

Govt will lease 90% of pool where required. Why wouldn't operator take the cheque?
Get in while you can & enjoy it while it lasts, crew will soon need a Pool Party invite.

17 Sept /19 Sydney Morning Herald confirms Spring opening delayed until Summer.
Getting ready to turn taps on...A few weeks away from making waves...

No word on pricing or investors
Claims that WA decision lost company over $500k

Sydney Olympic Wave Park opening is slated for 2021
https://www.smh.com.au/business/small-business/u-a-church-to-surfing-ins...

Australian Wave Park Group Melbourne/WA/Sydney designs have gone Global.

Birmingham
https://www.cladglobal.com/CLADnews/architecture-design/Plans-revealed-f...

Bristol Wave Pool is filling up (Yes! Right now...ahead of Melbourne)
https://stabmag.com/news/the-tap-has-been-turned-on-at-the-wave-in-bristol/

Canada
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/south-britannia-surf-park-resort-squamish

URBNSURF Jobz Jobz Jobz

Surf Coach
https://www.brimbankjoblink.com.au/Community/92/search-results?industryI...
Lagoon Technician
https://www.brimbankjoblink.com.au/Community/92/search-results?industryI...
Customer ...Supervisor / crew
https://www.brimbankjoblink.com.au/Community/92/search-results?industryI...
https://www.brimbankjoblink.com.au/Community/92/search-results?industryI...

https://www.chattr.com.au/2019/09/21/five-fun-jobs-to-boost-your-brunch-...

List of Urbnsurf advertised jobs.
https://urbnsurf.com/careers/

Twin Peaks...
Bristol changed wave garden exactly as Melbourne did & gold spaded their sod after!
2019 Melbourne Jan/Easter/Spring openings came & went also in no rush to finish?

Bristol have now raced ahead & have nearly finished hosing their Wavegarden.
Yes! The Bristol camp not surprisingly wasted no time claiming opening title from Oz.
All here know Aussies are just being polite.

However Bristol never paid attention to detail & villagers are hostile about new Pub!
Surfers & Grog never mix but pedestal Pro's spray it over the gromz.
Gold Coast ply the School Bus Stops with Pro slop promos! Anyhow UK town say no!

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-49344894

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-49413407

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/local-news/resident-claims-decision-w...

'The Wave' Bristol say it's harmless cafe brew...by own admission, locals were right.
Kids Pass gets'free access to the bar' then drown in the pool. Done! (Security!)
https://www.thewave.com/opening-times-and-prices/

[BAR CLOSED] [POSITIONS VACANT] Customer Relations + Bar Manager

Never has Alcohol been served at the Baths or Municipal Pool...
Wave Pool + Open Bar + Kidz + next week Viking Funerals [NO ALCOHOL]
School Group Pro brew taste testing...C'mon People...Wake Up!

Wave Bar Hours 10am-11pm vs Pool Hours 8am -4pm (8pm summer)
Clearly it's a Pub with a supersized backpacker's Jacuzzi...Bristols out for the Boys!

UK Wave winners were so drunk they left their wave menu behind...
tbb decoded it for OZ Wavegarden price check! (Exact same non heated pool)

(No Surf) Pro Waverz Bar / Day +(Year) Prices
Adults day entry $9 (Bar Flies) $27
Kidz day entry $4.50 (Bar maggots) $9

Banned List: (The Baddies)
Bodysurfers, Skimz, Surf Skis, SUPs, Oars, Foils, Kite boardz, Wind surfers, Kayaks.
Footnote= Melbourne has a unique tough pool base affording some of rogue's gallery.

Wave garden (The Airy Faeries)
Leashed web bladerz, Boogerz, Cripples, Skegz (any sort), Adaptables

No 100% eco bodysurfing & No craft riders are asked to wear Flipperz or leash.
All Children must be able to swim 25m...Adults don't need to swim just drink beer?
Surf Mats+Tubes+Unicorns +Swans most likely banned at Snob's Wave Pool Parties.
tbb calls out least fun, least eco friendly & most discriminatory wave prison.

[IMPORTANT] No discount for own gear + [ALL] gear + boardz are included in Price
Wave Menu is reserved for those wearing approved Surf Product attire...see above

(intermediate +Advanced) (Just under 1hr) = Adults $75 + Gromz $55 (Includes entry)

[L]earners (2hrs) = $100 Adults + Gromz $45 (How is it Cheaper with an Instructor?)

$270 Early Rider Pass gets one entry + buys privilege to book ahead of the pack.
Affords 7 day window to block book ahead of calendar season.
Get a weeks jump on booking for Events & Comps...
Choose a half or Full day surf but at standard rate ( Also a useless product pack)
Handy for mates surf safari...but each surfer needs own a pass to group book safari.
Look twice as pass implies 'free access to Wave site'...very much ask about that!
An Early Rider pass allows you to get: 'Surf Session' (Note: No plural)...Just saying!

There is a Locals Pass but it's too miserly to mention, it'll only make you cry.
Free lick of an ice cream at High Tea on Black Friday or something more insulting.

Welcome to The Wave
https://www.thewave.com/

Interesting cost differences between $later's machine at Sunny Coast $100m vs Bristol's $45.5m machine.

Bit of difference in the wave..Double the cost for Double the wave in length and Quality
Bristol is a Burger in comparison .

So is it open yet? 2020
Tulamarine fresca opoem

Where does one start?
Think of you when it's my chance to fart ?
It will be calm in the mornings and cold as f_ ck.
Sitting in the water all patient like ducks.
A deep take off, a nose dive, a hiss and a howl.
As one waits knowingly that we will all foul.
Was it worth it? Did you take the train? Oh is it going to rain ?

Or will it actually open , is that's what is causing you to complain?

Or is it the prohibitive cost?
I wonder how cold in August with o sou' west she blows ?
Warm towels will be needed.
Heated seats ? Snacks and treats?

Whem will it open ?
Opoem, Opoem.

Poems by lanky.

That's high art right there.

Whole swellnet crew appreciate informative upfront interviews.
tbb salutes Mr Andrew Ross for calling out wave pool secrets for what they are!
More of this please!

A must read for navigating the ins & outs of wave pool politics.
Crew will very much enjoy such engaging insight from a lead player in the game.
That's all Oz surf crew ever wanted, was some open accountability...Thanx Mr Ross!
Fantastic interview is by Melissa Howard...cheers!

https://www.commercialrealestate.com.au/news/how-melbourne-airport-helpe...

wave of Day ~~~~^~~~~/(`~~~~/(C..[Andrew )

PS. (tbb is sure he's not alone in these observations!)
Proposed Qld WSL Wave Pool rallies support but guards it's remoteness.
URBNSURF helps clean up SC Airport & best reflects Surf community expectation!
Wavegarden seems more akin to already successful Oz Wavepools.
(Lead Example) Darwin Wave Lagoon is #1 value @ less than 1c /wave.
https://www.topendshortstays.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/IOB066834...
https://live.staticflickr.com/2494/3686113061_a22e1545e9_b.jpg

(Update) Today Tuesday 8th Oct 2019
First photos of near full pool at URBNSURF Wave Park... Sorry! No wave action yet!.
As promised the water colour & clarity bedazzles dreamlike.

Park will be shaping up Waves over the next few weeks
Wave Park is on schedule to open by Summer this year.

https://concreteplayground.com/sydney/travel-leisure/melbournes-long-awa...

Having read all these comments, a couple of things:

- The owner confirmed a while back that there would definitely be no heating of any kind. I can almost see this being colder than the ocean in mid winter.

- The orientation of the pool is interesting, but possibly the only option they had in terms of the shape of the site. From my point of view, offshore in a southerly would be much better, but that means the pool will be at it's best on the days with the worst weather. May not translate to profit. Hot summer northerlies might bring more people out.

They have indicated that the pool is reasonably sheltered from the winds. I wonder if they have the ability to put up more walling to shelter it further?