The Outsider: When the Music is Over (part two of an interview with Kelly Slater)
With the clock ticking down on the Quiksilver Pro Final and possibly his illustrious career Kelly riffs freely about wavepools, Andy, drug testing and the meaning of Pro Surfing.
Steve Shearer: How close are you to a working wavepool? Kelly Slater: At this point it's just money holding us back. We're self funded and it's a struggle. It's hard to create something that technologically you want to be the best and not go broke doing it (laughs). If somebody was there right now with the money to build the thing we'd be there. The technology exists.
S: Is it your vision to put it out there as a contest venue? KS: Yeah, if we had the wave it'd be a no-brainer. I think it'd be really fun because it'd create a truly fair environment. You could compare apples to apples then, as opposed to who catches the better wave.
S: Would it'd lose the romance of being in the ocean? Isn't that what surfing is all about? KS: Well...ahhhh...I don't think so. It would just be a one-off thing. You wouldn't have a tour of the things. It'd just be a performance event, a one-off and I think for most of the surfers it'd probably be a welcome thing to have once a year. But we'll cross that bridge when we get to it - if we get to it.
S: So nothing's happening next week or next month? KS: No, I wish there was. When we created this business, this start-up, we haven't made one penny. We're totally in debt creating this.
S: Must suck a lot of money out. KS: Yeah, it sucks a lot of money but it's a fun thing and if it ever happens it'll be super fun. But we started right into the worst economic marketplace in 70 or 80 years, so the fact that we're even still going on right now is pretty exciting. But we're chugging along. We're confident in our science and our technology. At this point we can sit back until that opportunity presents itself and maybe make one.
S: You wrote an article in The Inertia about Andy and you mentioned he approached you about helping out with a doco he wanted to do about his struggle as a means of helping other people. Do you know whatever happened to that doco? KS: Ahhh...it didn't happen.
S: Do you think that would be a good way of honouring Andy if someone picked that ball up and ran with it? KS: Yeah. Yeah, I do. And, ah, maybe I'm the person to do that. Maybe not do the whole thing, but do my part in it. Andy's a subject I probably won't dive too far into.
S: OK. Just the fact that he wanted to take his struggle and by sharing that with other people maybe help them, a lot of people feel that the fact it didn't come out that way was not the best way of honouring his legacy. KS: I felt that personally. I've struggled with a lot of anger about that myself to be honest with you. I understand that. The real greatness would have been if Andy could have done that and actually seen the fruits of it and seen peoples lives change: To have a kid come up and say, "Hey cause I heard you, I changed my life and I'm alive today because of it". Andy made a huge impression on a lot of peoples lives and he could continue to do that. I think we may be pleasantly surprised what the future holds in relation to that.
S: Obviously the way Andy passed had a big bearing in bringing forwards the drug testing regime in the ASP. Do you think it might help prevent that kind of tragedy from occurring again? Maybe get someone into counselling early? KS: I can't say because I don't know what they're gunna do in terms of recreational drugs.
S: OK, but in theory. KS: In theory it could, because you're under the microscope then. I have two ways of thinking about it. I think honesty and transparency with personal struggle helps people and helps other people to connect with that and maybe make a change for themselves. On the other hand, everyones life is their own and they're allowed to have that [privacy] and it's unfortunate when people who are well known have their lives so totally exposed. It might make it harder for them to get over the things they have to get over.
People have to feel that there's an acceptance there.
(The Final is ending and Kelly is making moves to wrap it up, there's obviously a lot more meat on that bone which needs discussion).
S: How would you assess your own performance throughout the event? KS: (pause)...I felt alright. I didn't feel great, I didn't feel bad. I never got waves that let me fully open up, but I never was completely out of synch either. I don't know, I'd call it sort of average.
S: OK. You've mentioned that throughout your career you've felt the crowd get behind you as an entity or force that's lifted you up. Are you still feeling that? Is that any reason to keep going, just this fact that are so many people who get a charge out of watching you compete? KS: Yeah, I ah, I do feel that. Sometimes it's hard to connect with. I just had a struggle this week. Every time I paddle out there'd be no-one in the water, then all of a sudden there's ten guys out, people on the beach with cameras everywhere, I get overwhelmed at times. Sometimes I feel closed off and I have a hard time letting myself open to that, getting connected to that. That could be why it wasn't my week. I had a big reluctance to really welcome it all in this week. I've spent the last two months pretty much by myself. To all of a sudden come to the Gold Coast and you're in the mecca of the surf world and the focus of everything.
S: That must be hard to go from solitude to becoming public property and the focus of so much attention. KS: Yeah, it's weird. It's really strange. I'm forty years old, twenty years doing this professionally and I don't think I'll ever get totally comfortable with it.
S: You must have reached a certain peace with it otherwise you'd quit? KS: Yeah, I understand it. I don't mean to sound like I'm complaining. I'm like everyone else who likes their privacy.
S: Do you still get a charge from putting on a performance that inspires the people who come to watch you? KS: Yeah, I like that. I like the performance, being in the water and actually having it happen. But ahh...I don't know.
S: Is that more about your own personal satisfaction or do you get some feeling like a musician that your sharing something? KS: Yeah, that's my performance. That's my way of feeling that way. My best personal satisfaction comes from getting good waves with friends. For me personally, it's my own selfish enjoyment the most. But look at Adriano down there. He's got a thousand Brazilians around him screaming and they're all excited because they came from the other side of the world and they're connecting with something that's theirs. That's pretty special.
S: Would that be Pro Surfing at it's best? A performance that people can connect with and get inspired by? KS: Yeah, that's it! There's a lot of cynical stuff happening on Twitter but for the most part people come here and they watch great surfing and they had a connection with it . Of course there's the business around it and there's sponsors and that stuff isn't necessarily the real stuff. The real stuff is that performance and the connection with the people. That is real.
S: Good place to end it. Thanks for your candid responses.
Comments
Nice.
Couple of questions:
Does Kelly ask for editorial review? Not a slight on what's published or left out, just a question about his media management style.
If you get a similar audience again, can you ask him why he doesn't want to dive down the Andy subject too far?
Not for the normal conspiracy reasons, I want to know if it's because he recognises the potential in himself, and is scared of quitting the tour in part for that reason.
No editorial review.
It was more of an off the cuff conversation than a pre-arranged interview and I got the feeling he just didn't want to delve too far into it at that time.
He mentioned picking up the ropes on an abandoned doco about AI.......he might have been cagey about revealing too much there.
Yeah ... I got the feeling KS was a little squeamish when it came to talking about Andy. Can't say I blame him.
The twitter rubbish and conspiracy theories -- even on some superficial level -- would have to get to him, he's only human.
Biggest surprise for me here, was how the crowds and the attention can still overwhelm him. He looks like a rock when he's out there under the microscope.
wave pool- were self funded, its a struggle moneys holding us back...? whats old baldy's estimated wealth ? i say you can afford to build one kelly......
Shearer:
Good to read questions about surfing, the surf industry and China (ref: part 1). I hope you keep that dialog open in future interviews, and work towards shedding more awareness about the trade-offs between international profits and associated global-scale human/environmental costs.
Has anyone reported from the Chinese 'surf' factories before? Who knows, maybe Swellnet et al. will pay your airfare for some investigative reporting on current affairs?
Cheers, Pac
I've only read anecdotal reports Pac......be interesting to see it first hand.
Gettin any fish/game?
freedride76:
I hope you get a chance to get over there (and beyond the usual Beijing/Shanghai shuttle, which is a curtain). I've seen the real deal first hand: Be warned, if you care about humanity and/or the environment, the experience may leave you scarred for life.
Went boar hunting in CA last weekend, but no luck bagging any game (freezer is full of a freshly butchered spring lamb though). Just back from a trip to Alaska, saw lots of moose, but the general hunting/fishing season is closed up there at present.
Hope you guys are getting some fun waves Down Under. Been pretty cold and bleak here (ie spring winds). But you know how it is: the worse it looks on paper, the less people out => been having fun during little windows with the boys around the tides, during the wind-swells; even though the waves haven't been great, the surfing's still been fun (you didn't hear that from me).
This whole interview (parts 1 & 2) leave me a little underwhelmed. I understand that it was an off the cuff conversation yet you laid some tantalising hooks for him. Was he reticent to dive into questions about China, Andy, wavepools, or does he not have a deeper view than what was provided here?
There appears general consensus that Slater is a thoughtful, analytical person - he seems able to consider the bigger questions. Yet he's unprepared, or unable, to tackle them in any great depth. If he's to be judged on his latest rounds of interviews he's more statesman for surfing than spokesman.
Would really like to hear him open up more.
Stiv Shearer, Clint Eastwood would be proud of your interview, mate.
and BKS is going to need to open up his playbook to beat the rest of the field this go around.
good on 'ya both!
@Steve
Nice work mate... would have liked to see you push a bit more on some issues, but well know the circumstances and the surrounds would have made it all pretty tricky .. hope to catch up with you at Bells... had a funny Twitter Convo with Kelly about the Brewster... Talk Later
joe, where ya gunna shmooze when BR destroys the surfing world as we know it.
and don't say the QLD reds ra ra...please.
ps. nice bit of Matty Bowen black magic to stitch up Broncos last Fri nite.
This interview has given me pause re: my recent description of Slater as a hollowed-eye victory obsessed shell of a man.
Away from competition speak Slater speaks in tones of contemplation rather than psychological manipulation, showing him to be a thoughtful kind of guy.
But while I'm comforted to read such pleasant responses to your big picture questions, I'm still curious to see some hard questions thrown at Slater about his competitive behaviour.
Let's get a bit more of an insight into why he has to habitually play rope-a-dope, in your words, and constantly play other such schoolyard mind games to get himself on top.
The elite always possess a psychological edge over their opponents, and wield it mercilessly to maintain that edge. That's elite competition, and it separates the greats from the goners.
But despite his guaranteed legend status, for some reason the man will never go down (in my book) as having the sporting class of someone like Roger Federer, who knows how to wield this edge without looking like he has to prove his puberty to the world.
But then again, surfing isn't tennis. Perhaps it's a dominated by a bunch of delinquent man-boys.
@sid
You know how to hurt me Sid... That Matt Bowen Try was like a Dagger in My Heart...
Come on the Tour with me... You can hold the Cameras and get my rejects (Still Brazilian and Beautiful)
BR destroying the Surfing World as we know it?... I'm waiting!...
joe, come on tour with you ?
would that make me your shmoozy floozy ...???
and with my quiver of magic rainbow boards, would put my big n tough macho status in jeopardy .
pass, nice try, wrong guy.
GO COWBOYS. MOOOOOOO .
@hambone,
cheers for the Roger mention. as well as the comparison to competitive tennis...
quite obvo that BKS - bob Kelly slater IS the Federer of competitive surfing!
http://in.news.yahoo.com/federer-outlines-important-mind-games-tennis-09...
Roller,
Thanks for the link. Federer is no doubt a master of mind games, and the two are probably more similar than I first thought. Perhaps they can form an elite school for aspiring mental masterminds? It would be great to see Slater and Federer striding on to stage from opposite sides of the podium and high fiving in the centre while young sports executives and Goldman Sachs brokers watch in awe, grateful for the bargain basement $10,000 attendance fee.
Jokes aside, wouldn't it be awesome? I wonder if they would have the same stage presence and command of psych-lingo as a Steve Jobs or Anthony Robbins?
"I just want to thank you all, I'm so grateful to be here", says Federer in customary thick germanic graceful boy wonder cutthroat cover-up tones.
"I was actually thinking about not coming here today," says Robert "Kelly Jelly" Slater ("jelly" describing the affect he notoriously had on the legs of his competition, particularly Parko a la Bells final 2006). "But when I saw the audience forecast on the charts I thought, I can't miss this"... TBC
my actual procrastination here disguised as literary masturbation...