'it doesn't take much to stir up the old spectres.'

That's not true for everyone. I would put up with heaps of crap before the button was pushed.

Shit like this. I take a mate from Newy to an insane beachie, and he begs me to let his mates come. So they take their car, get a flat in stinking hot, dust world, fly mania,.. no equipment and no idea what to do. So, instead of surfing, I crawl around in the limestone and save them, and while I pack up, they speed over the hill to hit it. My mate is dribbling out feeble excuses for them, when we get there they are already paddling out. I get out there and because I've surfed it for days, head to where I know some good ones will come. No where near where they are sitting. In comes what I want, and I'm shoulder to shoulder with a kicking, splashing, frothing numbskull, squawking 'I've got it...mate????????? I've got it...mate?????????? Well he fucking got it alright. I mean for fuck's sake. Yet, we have a zillion stories like that. Beyond belief. I can't even remember all the guys I've helped have insane surfs there. But like I said, there is a time when the party's over.

That's what that meeting is about. Keeping the place sane, including the environment.

I can see this forum going mental..........

Hmmmmm ,

STU , Has it been a Quiet Month ....???......

PS . Boogers did not "discover " much in that Area . Uncover YES .

this will be welcomed by the " Silent " majority .....

Yes I reckon i can hear the banjo's strumming in the distance......

So whats the problem here? nothing wrong with locals protecting the area..The problem is the fuckwits that come over and snake and hassle and paddle straight up the inside jag a wave then do it all again. If the odd lesson needs to be taught so people know the rules then so be it.
I've had discussions with you swelly boys about exposure and the results of it. Seems I'm not the only one.
I think there is a sticker made up for it....No Exposure-Preserve and Protect

Here here! just look at the state to the left of south Oz, overexposed and overcrowded. It can take just one photo spread and not just kelly is looking at the pics and wanting to go there, traveling surfers tread lightly,respect the locals and keep the cameras in the bag, not everywhere need to be fucked over for a "wave of the day" hero shot and 5 minutes of fame.

What a sensational bit of east coast journalism. Paranoid about sharks and locals a like and even getting the facts wrong.

If you bring a Superbank or Newport attitude of grabbing every wave you can no matter what attitude to the west coast - you're going to wear it and fair enough I say. From all reports Smelly was pretty laid back over west. Hanging at the pub, chatting and taking some pretty big drop ins in his stride - it was just the circus that followed that was destined to raise eyebrows - and don't tell me it wouldn't happen in other remote areas - of course it would.

So enough of the cliche' Stu - like anywhere, if you visit, take your time, respect those who live and breath the place and just use common sense - exposure isn't always welcome.

But hell - what am I saying! If it keeps idiots away - them locals and sharks are killers for sure.

What's sensational about this, gopatter? And what facts in particular are wrong?

Looks like a good idea.

The article does seem a bit sensational - at least in my experience. I've been surfing over west for a number of years and I don't think I've ever had anything but friendly locals, at least towards me and my friends - even at the more clandestine spots. I've had much worse experiences with the locals on yorkes.

As a number of people have pointed out though, it does seem the 'east coast attitude' is what riles up the boys. Rocking up with a whole car full of guys, not waiting in the car park for the shift change, overly frothing without regard for the other surfers. I have witnessed lineups go from actual lineups to tense and aggressive conflagrations, all because a couple overly eager guys felt they had the right to ignore the other people in the line up.

That having been said, in all my time over there that has been a rarity. Respect and relax and you'll get great waves and you'll meet some good people.

The junction of travelling pros and the younger local crew getting sponsorship does seem to be the catalyst for all this though.

For or against either way I think this is, in the long run, futile.

You can't really stop the exposure of waves (in the long term). Our population is increasing rapidly, what do you think this is doing? It's pushing the intermediate surfer a bit further down the coast, motivating them to drive into the desert a few times a year. The change in technology, what's happening there? Hell, facebook has done more damage to the lesser known spots than any or all of the mags in the past 5 years. I witnessed some serious localism recently only to watch immediately after the photographer was sent packing, guys going out with go-pros and nobody bat an eyelid. You can't police this and at the end of the day the law is not on your side if you try to.

The energy should be put into management of the surrounding environment, not anger and violence. Accept that change is inevitable and focus on a smaller environmental impact. I have way more respect for locals if I see that happening.

Who discovered it and the headline "BRING THE BIFF BACK ...." then "Nothing has done more for crowd control on South Australia's desert coast than the COLD THREAT OF VIOLENCE". Sounds like a Tarantino film with a touch of News Of the World sensationalism.

Of course incidents happen but they are far and few between and grow in the telling. People, especially those hardcore visitors who suit up in their garage and skateboard down to their local - love wearing the desert badge of hardship. Most of it comes from the fear of the unknown other than any real threat. My point is - it just easy to demonize what the west coast boys and girls are on about. They are a tough mob for sure and that's what it takes to live out there - but much of the so called attitude is about environmental protection these days.

Ive wondered if swellnet is on the sa tourism payroll, the "uncrowded sa" scenic surf shot is a cliche and a lie. 5 years ago I couldve said take a van and your missus and park at spot x, dont paddle out in more than a 2 pack, dont hassle at the main peak and you will have a good surf (nice long left, a bit soft but good fun) Last trip there off peak 2 years ago there were 40 blokes, even the bloke that found the wave (aldo) and i couldnt even get the b grade waves that only tourists would bother with because you had to duck dive the sets. I bought the Baker "surfari" book, good read but he spoke of a relative of mine trying to stop the big wave event there (on environmental concerns mainly) as one of those west coast ferals. Hes worked there for over 2 decades. Id say Maroubra has less of a crowd now.

Think you will find said bommie was surfed in early 70's by a few fishermen from the area,am all for a bit of sanity in the surf over that way but anyone being a knob anywhere should get told,if warning ignored then maybe some stronger action.Don't see the problem with a few snaps of your trip as the area is hardly a secret spot [Cactus book,T.V,surf mags and word of mouth] ended that 20yrs. ago,there are also a few self righteous blow in pricks that think they own the place that think they can abuse people that have surfed there many times since the late 70's but happen to be unable to live there[personal experience].

Majority of the time localism is caused by people coming to a spot with car loads of people who all head out at the same time and have no regard for anyone. If it wasn't for people only thinking for them self there would be no need for a local mentality. I have never had problems at local break even when we are there with a big group. It's simple don't all head out a once and crowed the one guy who is already out there. Don't hog the waves, wait your turn and actually talk to people in the line up.

I dont see crowds as progress. Otherwise i dont think youd bother travelling. Just because the a couple of narcissists had to "self promote", whereby their surfing ability would not have warranted billabongs attention, they sold out the west coast for no reason than cashing in. maybe a few fishing spots need to be put in the mags too. its so crowded there i wont bother going back, used to go every year for decades. I overheard a few boys at 4 mile here saying "ohhh, it looks good over there", we had better waves and less crowds where we were that day. I cant believe how quickly it went down. A little country "post office", isolated and abandoned now, where we used to stay with a very low tier transplanted local is now spray painted with some clowns "my brothers keeper" garbage? are you kidding? that b.s in the desert? bet everyones stoked they took those f....wits there. One of our countries Edens gone forever, for a couple of photos. thats the point, many surfed it for years and kept it sane, the Port Lincolners used to be the weekend blow in crowds, but now, im thinking more power to them. the blow in locals kept the campers out, bush clean, tracks were used properly, provided a bit of green, kept lids and cameras out. all the good things in aussie surfing life are now disappearing. narcissists are lauded, they should be exposed for being shalow self promoters.I think other sports need to become popular and pick up some slack, surfing needs to die out, we have become to cool for our own good. three poles, now that is a wave worth travelling for!

Nobody owns the surf. But it is always welcomed to take good manners into the water and especially with the people who live nearer to that spot than you. You might even make a few friends who will let you know when to go over there- when its firing - much better than a speculative trip. As to protection of surf breaks, if there well known, try and put them into the national surfing reserve scheme, south Oz has 2 at current- Cactus and Daly head, which I surfed for many years. I remember the problem of visiting surfers sleeping in car parks and deficating near by. This problem exists/existed? at Streaky back beach, but guys, you really need to push these issues through your local coucil and get them to install long drop dunnys or something near to where many surfers are using the beaches. I remember the incidents years ago when the magazines came over to the Eyre peninsula and the crew ran the boys off the coast, somewhat har har, but they apparently stickered there cars all up like lolipops and it wasn't hard to tell who they were. LOL. I'm not particularly condoning it, but ya might as well have put a bull eye on your forehead. LOL. I did not visit the Eyre and west coasts often, due to being a weekend surfer in Adelaide, but can from observation tell you that the best winds are SE to NE otherwise there are big drives to find a good offshore for land based surfers, but don't know if that changes if you have a boat to do the islands. most seals are found around the islands and so there will attract the white sharks. I have seen quite a few Eyre peninsula breaks in surf and bodyboarding flicks - without people telling everyone else where the footage was taken- which just proves you can film and photo without spoiling it for the local comunity. I personally know of a break in South Australia of which I am probably the person alive who has seen it at its biggest. 1987 a monster stormcell and a rare weather event leaves SA with an offshore wind and about 18 meters of swell, so I go to look at this place, breaks over sand along side a reef- 14 meter plus waves barreling over 300 meters. SA has it and if you take some commonsense and manners with you anyone would probably find new friends over there. but there can be a few grumpy ones, set in there views. LOL.

Maybe that's what Stu's article should have been about - how not to blow it when you go into somebodies backyard.

I have read all the pros & cons. I recon there's right way & wrong way to deal with this. First up its not going to stop. People have the right to do what they please which includes pro surfers & guys like me who document them. Regardless that I actually come from SA this does not make any difference in how i feel with this debate. We come, they surf we document. We respect, we don't create maps of where we go. Some have never been surfed before. We go to places of which 90% of time there is no one around. Waves are not your normal 3 to 5 ft plaything. But life threatening slabs & waves that are anything from 6 to 20 ft. When there is a local crew, we fit in & they always seem happy to have us there. We don't leave our rubbish either. Yes, I have talked to Lomy who the local lad from Lincoln where he has voiced his option. He is rightfully protectful & does not want his spots desecrated by crew that shit around the car parks and leave there rubbish lying around. I have supported this point of view and put the word out via some of the offending groups and i think the message is getting out there. When Kelly & Alex came they were as respectful as they could be. The locals embraced them & were stoked to see them mixing it up with everyone that came into there contact. They were stalked by a Channel 7 news crew until cornered. They went to Cactus without us media guys. BUT it only took one local bloke to shoot and offer/sell the footage he shot of Kelly to the CH 7 crew for their story. So how does that work. Me & Ted stayed away from Cactus to do the right thing. The local crew i am sure would have been looking around for the camera's and would have been stoked to see that there wasen't any. Anyway, who knows when we are coming back. But we will & we will be everything we always were. Maybe, you will be out there at that time where i can document your finest moment. Who knows. One thing is for sure I am not going to stop what I have done all my life. Not over my dead body. There's too much passion running thru my blood.

i have been to cactus hundreds of times since the seventies and lived down the coast for 15 years. i now live on the east coast and when people ask me what its really like isay most of the time its flat,windy,crowded and sharky!

I'll be travelling through this region (and the rest of Oz) next year. However it'll be a low-key affair, just me and the missus. I have no issues with showing respect to the locals and not exposing spots. I'm there to surf and have fun, not to deal with harassing and all that other BS. Visitors should always be welcome to an area as long as they are travelling in small groups and respect the area.

I live and surf most of my time on the east coast, and in my experience the worst places to surf for localism, crowds and surfers being over excited, unaware of their surroundings and other surfers is definately the east coast of Australia's Hot spots form the Gold coast to Sydney. Like most of these situations it is always the minority of uneducated and ignorant few that ruin it for the average surfer loving and sharing his local break with a few mates and the respectful visitors.

My read between the lines is that the MWCSA (and anyone else feeling uneasy about exposure here) aint so much concerned about the issue of surfers visiting (as long as they behave respectfully to environment etc - which should be a given), its more about the AGENDA of those visiting. Surfers, particularly SA ones have a good eye and distaste for hype/bullshit/look at me i'm better than you cos I have stickers on my board. It is largely foreign to us and i'd say lot of crew here and a lot of visitors love that purity about the place. Kind of a BS free sanctuary ..

Be interested to know if any of the FIFO pro surfers getting shots here in recent times would / have ever visited without a camera crew? Off their own back. Just do that, leave your cameras and enjoy.. simple...

I grew up surfing west coast waves but am not 'a local'. I no longer live there but i still feel like that coast embodies the way surfing is supposed to be. Respect, a little bit of fear, a lot of adventure and the very occasional bit of violence is ok with me. When I read Swellent articles about the state of east coast surf with all the snaking, fading, burning, pumped up egos, dickheads without leggies, lawsuits (fucking lawsuits for christs sake!!) - I like to think of the West Coast of SA and everything seems right again. So keep it up SA locals, you are truly fighting for something that is worth preserving.

(NB: apart from the Cactus locals who just want to fight in the water - even when you sit on the shoulder and dont park in the top car park - some of those guys get a bit too much sun...)

AH hahahaha here we go again
So, these "guardians" will they be sporting, like Klu Klux Klan type of gear?(think Jango Unchained)..
Perhaps a Krusty the Clown suit would be more appropriate..

Great post btw Tim

Tim B, so it was a 'clozapine bay' local that took the footage of slater and then sold it to the media ?

Good on them!!!!

@stunet

Not sure about "reporting on what people 'should do' I'd rather report on what's happening now" makes a lot of sense given my comments were about the style of reporting - and yes we got pop culture in dem hills to stu - but its been a good discussion and later post about why the west coast has a special place in SA surfers lives is spot on.

And keep at it Tim, whether its you McCoy or people of your calibre - you're a professional filmmalker who knows the score when you go into a place - anyway they know where you live!

to anyone thinking of a trip to the west coast of south oz. make sure you visit the iron knob pub,try to catch a wot? band gig,and dont go anywhere near the coast between port lincoln and fowlers bay and you should be fine.

@ Tim ..Interesting jab at the guy who sold his footage of Kelly. You do obviously feel some guilt about takng footage or else you would've marched on in to cactus. Is it not ok for him to sell his and you to put it on a big screen and make a million out of it? seems a bit hypocritical.
I've seen it all the time over my way..WOTD on swellnet then the next wknd the carparks full.
I've also seen a quite afternoon of waves turn into a circus when 8 lids decide to paddle out all at once. After they were told to fuck off then they go tell the ranger.WTF?
I've also seem bins overflowing and rubbish just dumped anywhere to be blown all over the beach.
Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. More power to them!!

What a bunch of clowns. We have the right to surf anywhere. I can't stand that moron "local" mentality that's perpetuated by small-minded, cowardly w*&kers who think they have some ownership over a wave because they saw it first. Mind you I notice they only ever get aggro when they've got a group of mates to back them up. If you're in the surf getting angry at other people who are out in the surf you're defeating the purpose of surfing.

It seems to me a few locals haven't figured out what they want. The heavy reputation has worked well keeping crowds at bay, but now they don't want the locals to be stigmatised. Can't you see that one controls the other? Take away the reputation and watch the hordes descend.

If you have not been to the west coast before pull up in daddys range rover to the busiest car park you can find,pull down your pants and scream 'IM FROM THE SUPERBANK'. Trust me no one will come near you!

Simple... DON'T GO!
If you do...
respect yourself = respect the environment + respect the culture

You DON'T need a camera or video or smartphone to go

You DON'T need a picture or video to remember a wave

Remember some things are worth fighting for!!

SWELLNET just generating more publicity by creating this crap

@Shortenm
I agree with your viewpoint, and you probably said it better, travel with manners and respect. On the west coast I met many travellers from all over the world, and it managed to stay low key and to use the cliche 'uncrowded' at times. At the moment I am out of my home state and I enjoy the hospitality and waves in the area. funny that the same guys naming spots here in photos have contracts, and are some of the same blokes naming spots in s.a when they go on trips. by all means surf, catch waves and have fun but dont shroud it in neon and proclaim uncrowded waves when theres 20 ski teams out. People seem to think these wildernesses will keep being discovered, how many have we got left in Australia? i searched f...n hard in this country because i enjoy surfing with handfuls, not carpark fulls, and even the bloody barrier reef is getting crowded. Maybe i am selfish, but ultimately it will be your kids that will suffer when they progress and want to go camping and surf some 'uncrowded' barrels. i saw a recent mega hyped dvd basically made at a c grade wave squirts that youd surf if the a grade was cross shore. fighting for c grade waves, thats passionate!

I agree with you. ShortenM said what the article didn't. Tread lightly and blend in and you shouldn't have any problems. Simple advice.

not surprising that people are jumping to conclusions about whats happening here , stu's done a good job of hamming it up.

Looks like the spirit of Sharky lives on!

Completely agree with respecting the environment and it's surroundings,plus using your common sense in the water but that has to work both ways I think.

Ive been goin to the west coast all my life (38yrs),got relatives over there.West coast people are the most friendly you will encounter but like most places if you show NO respect then you deserve your right whack! It's not the crowded east coast or wa, thats what makes it magic! The golden rule is don't drop in & show respect to the locals & you'll score some waves that will stay with you forever!!

We all take photos of the best times of our lives to cherish our fondest moments forever. Guaranteed if anyone reading this right now had a photo of themselves getting the keg of your life they would get endless joy from the image, including any member of the "mid west boardriders association".

So Kelly triggered the uproar, why did he not get approached about this by the association. I bet they wouldn't have given Koby Abberton grief when he was out at blacks getting towed in to a few for the cover of stab mag.
So to prevent this, the association will I guess just continue to pick on the vulnerable groms and make themselves feel like they have done there bit for the group... Pretty retarded if you ask me.

It's a selfish and narrow minded way of thinking to blame the surf photographer or even the vids or magazines. I can't remember ever opening a surf mag with a map of how to get to a remote epic slab.
The paranoia of these locals that drives them to smash cameras or wax windows will not deter people from doing what they love or chasing waves they love, it will just create animosity amongst a community who are all after the same thing.
What needs to be achieved by every surfer is to just show respect, by traveling in small packs, don't snake or drop in & respect the environment by treading lightly. In other words, take your trash with you and bury your shits, it's not hard.

Now lets all get along and get pitted.. Yeew!

Not wishing to generalise too much as there is good and bad wherever you are from but a recent observation of the behaviour of an east coast surfer v's west coast surfer's was made on a pumping day at my local recently.
A couple of WA surfers(from Esperance I think) were traveling through and lucked onto a really good day. The younger fellow was a really good tube rider and would sit wide of the pack and wait. Every 20 minutes or so he would stroke across to the pack and get the best wave of the 1/2 hour, getting tubed all the way in. Then he would sit wide again. No one was bothered by him or even seemed to notice him!
Then there was a guy from the Gold Coast out there who has an uncle who lives in our town. He would paddle inside of everyone and do his wiggle waggle wave after wave, giving everyone the shits but not really getting the best waves even though he was quite a good surfer.
Note for east coast hasslers. Your strategies don't work on peak style reef break waves. Change the game!

@yorkessurfer:
Are aerials allowed on peak style reef break waves, or is that only for mushy beachbreaks?

@johpg: Is that where you blow 95% of your waves trying them before you finally pull one? That strategy doesn't really work on that style of wave as the waves are like precious jewels and shouldn't be wasted. Fine on beachies where there's stacks of little ramps everywhere of course. I can count one one hand the amount of good airs I've seen pulled out at this particular wave over the years and that includes seeing a lot of pro's surfing out there.

@yorkessurfer:
Sarcasm.............look it up in the dictionary.

BLAH BLAH

Slugs on the money....

"The paranoia of these locals that drives them to smash cameras or wax windows will not deter people from doing what they love or chasing waves they love, it will just create animosity amongst a community who are all after the same thing. "

Poetry wrapped in wisdom wrapped in poignancy.

righto who roused up the knuckle draggers??? r we blaming ol baldy??? ahh sheit then cant everyone just take their medication and put Tyler Durdin to rest...he doesnt exist. figment! of imagination! however waxing windows sounds terrifying...stay the hell away from my cressida u desert loons!!!

@slug I almost agree with your sentiments. But...

"I can't remember ever opening a surf mag with a map of how to get to a remote epic slab..."

...but I can remember a certain ledge featuring in a 10 page spread from a certain surfing mag with a certain ginger goofy getting shacked on a perfect day - and the place hasn't been the same since, crowds have increased tenfold.

@monk . atleast that place is Seasonal .

@ Stu . there are places that i know to be still uncovered .

how someone that hasn't seen every inch of coast in every mood , can turn around and say they've discovered this and conquered that is bullshit .

Everyone else complaining or trying to belittle people with the common sense to protect the area they inhabit, from turning into the areas that most are travelling away from to find and discover .
These same people doing the accusing of hate and whatever are the slow ones , even though they have been moulded from a Rat race ...... honour the people that make the isolation a living as opposed to a fleeting , easily mistreated adventure .

I am all for a bit of camera smashing, and enforced pecking order. Surfing crowded reefs is possibly the most frustrating thing in the world.
Fuck all getting along and sharing pits, what a bunch of balony. If you know off a good wave with not many people that surf it, shut your pie hole and leave your camera at home so it doesn't end up like Stunets early morning surf mission that he wrote of recently.

This whole story is B grade journalism at its absolute best. A poorly researched article based on rumours and exaggerated stories rather than facts. The Mid West Surf Riders Association has existed for more than 2 years with the objectives of promoting respectful and environmentally sustainable surfing. Current meetings may have been prompted by a range of recent events that don't sit well with local surfers or beach goers. Many locals and residents are becoming increasingly agitated by the incredible lack of respect and understanding that is increasingly being shown towards the environment and people. Ultimately the group aims to preserve the environment and coast so that it can continue to be enjoyed in its current state.
As previous comments have suggested, if you:
-respect the environment
-show respect to others in the water and in land
-drop back a cog or 2, slow down, don't hassle, wait your turn & realise your not part of the rat race once you get over here

You will earn the respect of others and be treated well.

It also helps you to be accepted if you travel in small numbers and don't document your whole trip by spending most of your time looking through a camera.

Just something to think about.

Years ago heaps of people would come over here, but attitudes were a lot different. Fuel was cheap, and the dole easy to get. It was legal to camp at Anxious, and across from the roadhouse. I ran the caravan park back then and it and another one would be chock a block, as would those camping grounds. Every year there would be Americans and Europeans, the Rip Curl/surf company and West Coast Vic, friends of some of the first 'local' guys would come every year too and the Adelaide guys. The main difference was that they mostly came to surf. It was a buzz meeting surfers from all different countries. Then it changed heaps, fuel went up, the dole got hard, camping was banned, and Indo then Mentawis exploded. And suddenly everyone wanted to sell shots, or have a film part or something like that.

That's when the East Coast attitude came. I lived in Ballina for 2 years just after the shark attacks, partly for my wife and kids. It was hilarious. My first surf was at Boulders, looked good, good banks, a sucky bank right of the top, plenty of unridden waves, Lots of guys though. So as I paddled wide from around the back planning to try and get some no one was worrying about, I see some guys from there that had come over here and who remembered me. Saying hello, someone is screeching and screaming...and I realise at me...a bad ass mo fucker gonna do bad arse things to me. Like squealing like a baby and begging for mercy when he's bitch slapped around the bay praying that his mates will rise up. That scenario repeated plenty. I met 2 guys from Lennox that Geoff McCoy had sent over to stay with me 15 years before, and they were telling me about all the aggro and shit in the before and after work sessions. They were good guys friends, but even they were embarrassed about hassling me in 3 foot shit, after all the hospitality I had shown them here. You would hear screaming and snaking all day long.

One of those Elliston kids you mention came and stayed with me for 3-4 months and would be hassled every surf. To be honest it didn't bother me, but the surf was shit for long periods of the time. 'South wall's breaking like black's man...drugs! Shelley's got a bank like Gland... more drugs. That was a huge problem, the ice epidemic. 'I'll faaarrrkkkinnn kill yaarrr, yaaarr faaarrkkinn...leett mee go...I'll get the faaarkkinn cops...faaarkkk muuummmmyyyy!!!!

The people that live here don't want that here, that's all.

Still "tweaking" hey uplift?

My first response to this article was to imagine the Mid West Boardriders lined up along the beach to hold back the tide but reading some of the comments I can have some sympathy for their position. To those who advocate going the biff I suggest you rethink, it is a lose lose situation. Yes you get to bash someone but these days you won't get away with it for long.

very well written stu..its an interesting scenario....i see it that the re instatement of localism wont work along the whole eyre peninsula as there is conflicting interests with different groups of surfers in the small eyre peninsula towns. also the rare breed of genuine tough and smart people like those original locals are becoming more refined and bred out of society, as australians generally have become softer and more controlled by the law. this was typified with tim bonythons statements. we have our rights, im also from adelaide so technically a south ozzie(which i trust as feeble as tims reputation n bussiness is more likely to have been developed in sydney gold coast and hawaii)... like in hawaii where it seems to me that localism is imbalanced, and self centered...yet!!! near all the oz surf, video/photo and journo elite are brownnosing and justifying the hawaii localism behaviour,,,,i guess when your in hawaii do what the hawaii crew do when your in rome do what the romans do ....like wise in south oz....as a younger water photog fanatic i lobbed into one of these small towns by myself many years ago, confronting my localism/shark fears at once on my own, no contacts or mates, back in the bad days....i had every intention of submitting the pics, and things were tense for a while some locals ok with me and others clearly not so ....so i stepped back and had a think about it, i was having the time of my life these people were good people doing what they love, as did i....surfing uncrowded waves at a harsh isolated environment ....i decided that getting the pics run was more about me and my ego, and, ultimately cashing in on them and their place/lifestyle was against my surfing/life beliefs ....uncrowded waves with great people and new discoveries....so casting aside my own egocentric desires and deciding not to contribute was one of my better life decisions....from there on i fitted in well with every one, and i look back on those pics with great memories and pride for all the right reasons....the south oz west surfing fraternity has always been welcoming to me when passing thru or visiting and i have only great memories of the times ive been there....i think the whole fly in thing and shoot the shit out of a place has an emptiness about it....nothing like proping for a while and taking in all the weather changes etc. like many sports surfing is being over capitalised on or marketed by corporate entities and some places may be better off left as an escape for many other surfers looking to escape the crowds....i love the old wild south oz for sure

@ Yorkes surfer -

Hey I was out that day when that kid from Esperance and the gold coast guy were out there - And I thought the EXACT same thing - That kid was so friendly and respectful and was putting on an absolute clinic - It was probably one of the best displays of a travelling surfer I have ever seen. He probably could have taken so many more waves than he did, but he just waited, let other people have their waves and picked his waves (mostly jems) and the crowd was stoked for him - all because he wasn't trying to dominate other surfers and was open and friendly too all.

Conversely, I surfed with the Gold coast guy the next day at cape and he was busy hooting himself after barrels, and sitting out the back without regard for the rest of us (bad body language, shoulders set hard, giving people the back, no openess). It was me me mentality whereas the kid had a communal attitude.

Glad you brought that up.

PS. that was such a fun day, Gold Coast guy aside.

Anyone seen the new BWWT announcement? an interesting image they have used..if I am correct in guessing...does that mean a comp could be happening behind the scenes?

Haven't heard anything about a BWWT comp anywhere in Australia.

As for the photo, it's a big righthander in Peru.

Whats your take on this whole debate Ben? you being Stu's boss and all..and being a sozzie as well. Is stu a shit stirrer? I am not sure what the point of the article is/was? Everyone knows we are loonies over here..were you guys bored?
Bait taken, tight lines, drag on, reel smokin'!!haha

I love the idea that there is still some places in Aus that aren't over run, that I could possibly visit one day without the rest of the country being there at the same time! There's a time and a place for "East Coast Attitudes" (which by the way, not all who live on the east coast have), and thats the Gold Coast. Realistically, SA will never get like the GC because its to far out of the way. So have no fear locals, if I ever visit, I, and whoever I'm there will be respectful and friendly, and only take our share. And I promise I wont bring Kelly Slater!

Mick-B, well said. When you pull into any small town in oz East, West or South, Take note of what the local surf community stands for, the rules may not be written down but like the local council there are by-laws, these guys make the sacrifices to live there in good and bad conditions, they are the community and like anywhere in the world there are certain customs that may seem strange and illogical to you, but respecting them is the right thing to do.

@barley.. my take? I don't see why my take matters more than anyone else's. Unbeknown to most people, Stu's surfed the West Coast a lot - more than me, and and probably more than many other people. So I think he's well positioned to comment on issues from this neck of the woods.

But that's just it. Stu hasn't really commented - this article wasn't an opinion piece. Stu merely placed a sequence of facts into a timeline to illustrate some of the recent changes that have been happening on the West Coast.

So, you might ask - why is it important to publish an article like this? Well, in my opinion it is a handy reference piece for events that may or may not happen down the track. Surely you'd agree that the developments of the last few weeks could easily be considered 'out of the ordinary'? Just the vast number of comments (and web traffic) on this article shows it's a topic that a lot of people are interested in.

Otherwise, I am equally appalled at the crap left by some travelling surfers (and non-surfers). Personally, I think it'd be fantastic if the MWCSA took a similar path as per the Formby Bay Environment Action Group and the fantastic work they've done at Daly Heads, with a view to undertaking remedial projects at some of the West Coast's fragile coastal environments. That would certainly be a win/win for everyone involved.

Yes good. I heard about all that commotion when Slater was there and thought it wouldn't go down to well. Be nice to think we weren't all at the mercy of "progress" and that we are all to throw our hands in the air and just give in.

It would be so nice if the media just left some regions alone of their own initiative but I don;t think that is going to happen. So if a community comes to a conclusion that an influence is adversely effecting their region/community etc then their activities to protect it are justified.

I have not seen any Photogs/filmers that really hide their locations that well including Tim Bonython. It's like an insidious creep that over time just peels back the layers until a place is completely revealed.

All power to the local guys. Keep the place for the people.

Older Victorian might remember a photog in the mid 80's by the name of Pommie Steve Triance who raped and pillaged the west coast of Vicco with his gang of Torquay mates promoting their various surf brands, they photographed one particular reef over and over and called it "elevators" to hide it's location, it got listed in surf guide books under that name, so there is no real hiding the location it always eventually come out.
Footnot: Pommie Steve moved onto the porn industry, rather fitting IMO>

'Stu's surfed the West Coast a lot - more than me, and and probably more than many other people. So I think he's well positioned to comment on issues from this neck of the woods.'

Living somewhere and visiting somewhere are really different. When you live somewhere its then that you actually learn about what a place and the people are really like.

Hey stu, on the membership form you pointed out that the applicant had to be approved, but forgot to mention the three points above it that the applicant is signing up for:

1) To promote and encourage the protection of the coastal and marine enviroment.

2) To promote legal fun, safe and respectful surfing.

3) To provide a voice for non-commercial / recreational surfers.

sounds like surfers starting to care and understand about the cause and effect of what commercialisation can do to local communities who are actually more interested in just surfing than making a living from surfing thru photos/articles/films and exposing their local/others spots for a 5 minute blast of fame,that brings unwanted attention,bad manners,which ends up being aggro and then comes the Biff...

One of the problems with all of this is that some local areas do not have ALL onboard in protecting,and guys who just for their own egos spoil it for everyone by......commercial exploitation,eg...the Smucker and FIG Jam Rowley.....are classic examples.....

these guys give the locals a bad name......and it seems that they enjoy bucking the status Quo...for personal gain...Hmmm

so..... lets name the bad mannered ski driver,or did brutus just do that ?

On the issue of needing approval to join, this is a very common requirement in many clubs. If you doubt me, turn up to a North Narrabeen or Newport contest and see how you go. Unless there has been a dramatic change in policy in recent years most surfers, even those living locally, don't stand a chance.
This has gone under the radar for a while but I would think that any club accepting community funding (eg the local RSL) or accepting funding that has flowed from a government grant through the state or national associations, could easily be in breach of the conditions of that funding. These policies can also be used as a convenient mask for racist or other exclusionary practices!

Its always the way, I go away for three days and the festival comes to town. Why the surprise that this is on a surfing website if every surfer on the west coast is talking about it? That makes it news and despite there being a few errors in the telling it seems pretty straightforward article.

Exposure and travelling surfers has at a guess doubled in the last 5 years. If news exposure like this can make travelling surfers more aware then the job is done, and if locals (they know who they are) hide behind official facades then it's going to get ugly. If the Association wants to be taken seriously by local surfers and visiting surfers they are going to have to watch their own behaviour. I wont be signing up but it doesn't mean I don't agree with their 'official' stance.

the movie rolling home was filmed at cactus in 1974, was there any friction with filming then exposing cactus to the world way back then.

The funniest thing about that was when it was made clear, it ain't Hawaii. The rumour mill had Reno and co surfing massive, no one can get out, Sunset style waves. Video evidence.

udo, the guy who did the water photography on Rolling Home was an American called David Lourie. I knew him reasonably well at that stage as he was sharing with some mates of mine. He was pretty excited about the whole thing but never mentioned any problems with the locals. After seeing the footage a few of my mates went over, I suppose that was 75. They stayed a month or so and same thing, no problems. I think at that stage people were just happy to have some company in the water.

@ hairmick..no point arguing with stunet..he has your email addy therefore your identity. Then he will stalk you and use any comment you have previously said , private or otherwise, and use it in his arguments against you. This whole article is a load of shit...probably happens a lot everywhere else in Australia but for some reason they felt like trying to stir up some heat. Ben the boss while he runs this website reserves his right to an opinion...or 'straight batting' as its called. So they will let this go on 'til they get their 'hits' quota to keep the money rolling in then Fiji-Tahiti will be on and something else will flick their switch and it will be all over..nothing like 'poking the bear' to fill a bit of down time hey boys?

So barley what do,you think? We should all go back to monthly magazines with a few letters the following month, hand picked by the editor? stu has his say and then it's a fair go for everyone. Of course we could all just stick our heads in the sand (or some more convenient location if you prefer) and live in blissful ignorance of anything happening beyond our own local. Poke the bear? Why not? It gets fat and lazy from time to time. A nice sharp poke with a different opinion won't hurt that thick skinned old bastard.

Easy to say from the other side of the continent. What if some of the surf companies put back at least 50% of the money they make out the shots into the area/communities..but it doesn't seem to work that way. Most of the pro's have no other skill to fall back on other than gettin' the shot..which might keep their dream alive for a while but in reality it does a lot more damage than good.
Name another place in oz that you could escape to, jag some of the waves of your life, and drive home knowing it will still be there if you live by 'the code'.
This IS the last frontier in oz..I would like for the future gens to experience it like I have that's all!

Barley... Why did you have to go and say that. My paranoia is now out of control. Now I think I will need to find myself another identity, move to an even more isolated and remote community, and increase my arsenal of illegal weapons just to protect myself from Stu and everyone else.
FAARK!!

Hey stu I don't profess to be an expert on journalism but I would have thought that ALL facts about said meeting and actions etc. would have been thoroughly confirmed before going on to write an article?
Rather than to create unneeded hype then gradually retract your comments which are clearly heresay or in other instances complete rubbish eg. Installing guards etc.

Would this article have even come up if your photo hog mate lets just call him froggy had not been told on the night his application would surely be rejected. Based on the past photos of once quiet reefs he has blatantly exposed via this website. Sure the gates been opened but is now a matter of how the fragile coastal environment can be managed now it has more traffic. Hence the need for ENVIRONMENT protection associations to be formed. What's done is done its how it can be managed from here on is the issue

If I get told I'm not welcome at any SA surf spot, if u don't have black skin, I'll ignore u.

Hey Stu, I heard a different story about when Rabbit came to town, for a start the crew were staying at the pub and that is where the confrontation was, in the back of the pub, makes sense, can't imagine them camping. Anyway, they weren't sent packing, way were told to put the cameras and notebook away and just come surfing, which they did and a good time was had by all. On the last day that they were there the wave were pretty perfect and Rabbit was told he could go out with the photographer to get some water shots provided he wore boardshorts, I believe it was around June. The photos appeared a few issues after the wild west article, a sequence shot labeled as South Stradbroke. Fact or fiction, I believe the guys that told me, they were there at the time. You older SA guys might know. Sounds like a better story, so let's publish it and call it the truth anyway.
As far as the Rolling Home crew go, I can only guess that they did not run into any friction by being able to smooth things over with the currency of the day, a big bag of mull. LOL

Unreal, we got crowds from Cactus all the way round the east coast to Farnborough beach, all caught with the flashing of cameras, people wanting to get around in rooms full of mirrors. I was in an amazingly, uncrowded surf spot last week or so, and a couple of good aussie surfers paddle out, one goes, 'I cant believe how uncrowded it is', there were peaks on this beachy for about 400-500m, and his mate shuffled out and sat within 2ft of me. We flew/drove for three f....n days to get to this place and you happen on this stuff all the time. Most guys over there were American, 80per cert of the surfers had go-proes dutifully stuck on the front of their boards, facing themselves! Its hillarious!

hilarious.........

@barley I would have liked my kids to have had the same opportunities in surfing that I had. It was never going to happen. Sadly I can't see your area being immune from the growth in the surfing population and surf tourism, times change. You can't control people but you can influence them to conform to your code. In that context I don't think you have much to complain about with Swellnet. You may know and recognise the reefs but, in my experience, they only ever give the broadest description of their location. Maybe enough to place them in SA but not much more. Nor can you claim that these places are completely unknown. Anyone paying attention has a pretty good idea of what is available down your way. The fact that relatively few come has less to do with the waves and more to do with the hassle of getting there and the fact that there is bugger all else to do. Maybe you should think a bit more about how fortunate your surfing experiences have been and a little less about how to deny them to others.

Spot on! Well said.

blindboy / zenagain i tend to think not spot on, there are so many surf spots around the world that are just as hard to get to if not harder that are almost always busy these days, be it cold water, warm water shark infested or notif they are good when they get exposed and no one does anything about it they get busy.
When you lay out the welcome mat the hordes arrive and the surfing experience is worsened. Once it happens it is hard to undo.
Swellnet definitley plays a big part, it has opened my eyes to the region beyond cactus and is now on the "bucket list" of places to go and surf. In fact everything i now know about surfing in South Australia was pretty much learned through Swellnet and the comments section. Stupidly a lot of it through locals blabbing in comments.
Stories like this only increase the attention and then we all increase the visibility by arguing about it.
I reckon the only way to stop it is through intimidation, it has worked really well for other spots around the world and SA in the past.
Once the inimidation has its affect, people put their cameras away, become a bit more tight lipped the crowds mellow and everyone can get on with surfing,sharing and caring, YAY.

the rabbit thing did start at the back of the pub,and before the reno/ rolling home thing, in 1969 the last sequence of evolution is cactus filmed by witzig who wet on to buy the place.also everyone is a blow in i can only think of a hand full (if that) of surfers along the whole coast who have their grandparents buried in the local cemetaries. so show respect leave ya cameras home and try to get along.

"This place is renowned for heavy locals but they really laid out the red carpet for us this time." Quote taken taken from latest Australias Surfing Life about Slater's recent trip to south australia. The arguments by locals on this thread just gets dumber and dumber. What exactly do you guys want??

"This place is renowned for heavy locals but they really laid out the red carpet for us this time." Quote taken taken from latest Australias Surfing Life about Slater's recent trip to south australia. The arguments by locals on this thread just gets dumber and dumber. What exactly do you guys want??

@reecen, you can't hold back the tide. Anyone who looks at any form of surf media knows about the wave potential in that area and it will get more crowded. I consider Swellnet to be responsible in this way but if you are setting the standard at no media presence at all, get ready to be disappointed! As for intimidation well I suppose if you want to buy your privacy at the price of being universally considered a pack of dickheads, in the way that a few other groups who have taken that route are, then so be it, but be careful, if you indicate you're prepared to go the biff you can get some very unpleasant surprises when someone takes up your offer. There are a lot of people with serious martial arts experience around and a few nutters not above carrying a knife. Take care now.

@ocean living, I think you will find that the stereotype of the dole bludging surfer on that coast, is probably very few as being on the dole is frowned upon in very small communities and it's easier to work anyway

Put simply, the solution is ‘responsible surf tourism’.

If you bother to research this, it is tourism which minimizes negative economic, environmental and social impacts, whilst generating greater benefits for local people and enhancing the well-being of local communities. This type of tourism is culturally sensitive and encourages respect between tourists and locals.

Sure, it might be trendy right now… but the whole idea is about making tourism sustainable and not destructive to surf locations. It can be achievable by attending to the following.

Firstly, a more sensitive approach to the reporting and documentation of surf locations in the media. This will help places along the coast not be swamped by prospective surf-tourists and rubber-neckers. The environment simply cannot sustain it and the communities along the coast have not got access to all the funds in the world to fix all the problems that mass tourism causes. In the most recent case, this means media not selling out their shots and stories.

Unregulated camping also needs to be attended to by local communities and their district councils. This means that the communities, which are forced to deal with the toilet-papered legacy of desecrated beaches, should have a voice which can be heard by district councils and the like. This is where MWSRA comes into effect. Absolutely, you wouldn't go and desecrate a temple of significant enrivo-cultural heritage in a gorgeous tourism destination like Indo or elsewhere. Surf tourists need to remember that MW locations are just like temples, where surfing is the religion… and MWSRA are not fundamentalists to expect that visitors will not desecrate such locations. They have every right to help conserve our environmental heritage.

Lastly, rudeness and unfamiliarity of social norms cannot be ignored. It is important that tourists are educated about regional surf-cultural and social-norms. Just like keeping to the expectations of not exposing too much flesh in particular countries (e.g need to wear a Sarong in Samoa), there are social rules here in Australia. In a surf context, these mean not hassling, not dropping-in, not being a big-headed lout, only leaving footprints and remembering that the ocean is not just theirs. This would mean tourists adopting the social norms of the line-up. Responsible surf tourists are mindful of the locals and sensitive to their social expectations... which is something that the MWSRA is committed to improving.

As to ‘Bring Back the Biff’ title of stu’s most recent article… an idiot is the man that thinks if you corner a Pointer that it ain’t gonna bite you. Don’t adopt social norms and you will be treated like a social-misfit. One man has every right to get angry at such rudeness. But, instead of resorting to ‘biff’… the MWSRA offers the ability to be heard and be supported by a whole group of passionate volunteers. Violence is not encouraged by such an association as it is a democratic entity to expose, debate and inspire communities to improve their state of affairs.

The decisions that impact the communities on these coasts need to have input from the said communities, we are the ones which inherit the outcomes of such decisions. Which is why MWSRA have the right to meet with the goal/hope that we can help to ensure a legacy of positive contributions to the conservation of natural and surf-cultural heritage. MW is not the last frontier… but it doesn’t have to go the way of the frontiers before it. MWSRA members learn from history and are committed to not allowing this coast and its culture to go the way of the do-do.

In conclusion, if you are planning to visit someone else’s break…
Be educated about the region you visit. Don’t sell it out to others. Adopt social norms. Be subtle. Don’t shit in your own nest and those of others. It’s the way of the future, (wo)man.

All you blokes that say don't be scared, stand up for yourself, you have as much right, I'm gunna do what I want...blah blah blah..Well those farm boys who are born and bred and been bought in a different world to you and see things differently and the blow-ins, some of who have been there for 20 or 30 years, some of them live way out there cause they don't fit into your society,so tread carefully. I do and I have a ball, but I know my place.

@ blindboy, you can reverse the tide I reckon.
Plenty of out of the way places that have been very popular only to fall out of favour with the media and find themselves almost "forgotten".
Karate nutters carrying knifes in a remote heavily localised area arent going to last very long before they find themselves run out of town if they behave like tools.

Good luck with that reecen! I haven't been down that way for about five years now, I'm not really looking for heavy reef breaks anymore! Last trip we had a good off road vehicle and all the survival gear. We were on our way to WA and there wasn't much swell but we had a quick look around some pretty isolated areas. The best waves we saw we never even got to surf, a sand point about 3-4km away over the dunes, nothing like a track, definitely worth the walk! Only problem air temperature was about 45, probably more like 50 on the sand. We might have got there but I don't think we would have made it back! A long way further west of where you are, not sure I could even find it again now.

Although he's posted this himself, shauns version of the rabbit thing is closer to the truth.

Rabbit came back later, but it wasn't the locals that drove him away, it was funnier than that. The last I saw of him, we were packing up after a deluxe 3 hour surf, and in rolls the hire car, stuffed full of the team. As they frenzied around, exhausted from a morning of classic Burke and Wills bungles, we knew what was about to happen to the poor blighters. The flies started frothing, ripples appeared out to sea, and even worse than the dreaded sea breeze, the screaming, stinking hot northerly kicked in. It was a classic Aussie sledge fest.

Hate to say it lads, fuck she was pumping, shoulda been here this morning!

Where ya been, shit, what were ya thinking, itd be pumping up there now, go for it its only a four hour drive back. Anyway this is just like home you guys will love this slop.

To his credit Rabs tried a comeback, but the hordes of northerly intoxicated flies saw an opening and moisture, and he was left gagging in a cloud of limestone dust.

The airport's a couple hours that way cobs, see yas next time, thanks for the entertainment, who needs TV you pros are worth ya weight in gold!!!

But that is nothing compared to some of the classic stuff we get to see.

@ blindboy, push the keyboard away, assume a comfortably relaxed position, breath in, breathout, breath in, breathout, breath in, breathout. Imagine the sound of flowing water...picture yourself and uplift in a happy scene, uplift teaching you how to flex a newly created muscle...a place where anything is possible!

I'm all for it being a tad quieter over there as it's been a bit busy the last few times I've been through at key spots.Fly in and fly out missions don't seem to go with the rhythm of the place the get in and get the job done and get out only to turn around and be back again when its on brings a certain rape and pillage type attitude with it.I think thats more of a concern than someone taking their time cruising up the coast with some rods and boards.The dole thing I don't know maybe sickness benefits would be more spot on.I just hope that some of the more over zealous types don't abuse their appointed position.

So sick of this crap! You SA West Coast locals, the 80's are over. East coast guy's, show some respect. This over zealous localism bullshit of whats mine and what's yours has been happening since the first ship sailed over. We are all equal, all humans, let's enjoy the water and what everyone brings to it. Feel like I'm in a sand box in kindy. Lets get TUBED :-)

rolling home,cactus 74,shit thats where I met Reno ,after I had rolled Claws Kombi on the way to the Aussie titles,lost my dog ,went back in June ,stayed at the castles hilton,and caves was perfect all week...but Paul Witzigs cameras broke the day I arrived..he missed the best surf in 3 mths and reno and I became lifelong friends....surfing Caves everyday from 4-10'...

funny when i look back and remember ,when I first saw Reno...I was like shit how goods this Koorie surf......??

back then there was a very small aussie surfing population...like when we did Storm riders,and named the great southern ocean...not Gnaraloo......

now more surfers,more media,money ,commercialism.........like Go Pro says.,..be a hero and film.....not!

The west coast stuff is so funny. One of the most classic things is that everyone wants a part of who was there first. Everyone can't resist having some sort of claim to it, its so magnetic, so alluring! The claim is a classic, integral part of surfing. Even the non claiming Bobby Machado/Rasta nonchalant head slumped, slouch (awww schuuckks, just another 10 foot foamball pit, taint nuttin really) is a classic claim. Nothing beats a look back though.

You guys hate Jeff Schmucker. He was born there, one of the few surfers there that has strong family ties to the region. One of the few genuine locals. Its funny brutus, you have made more videos of more regions in the name of making money out of surfing than Jeff ever has. You have poured more exhaust fumes into the sky and ocean and put it out there in more regions, in the name of making money, than the guy you hate.

I have never towed, for me, it makes surfing have zero hope of ever fitting in to the environment. I remember when Jeff came back from Hawaii all fired up that his friends that had invited him there had shown him towing. He then pioneered it here, with everyone jumping on board, borrowing his ski and gear, not minding taking advantage of his generosity, learning from him, including plenty of the the main guys in the association that will love barring him from it. I had heaps of full on arguments about towing with him, but shit, thanks to guys like you brutus, it was here to stay. Gasoline alley. Kooks and slobs can charge too! And they came in their droves, guys that had never made a two footer at blacks hooking into everything...claimathon ho! Thanks brut!

Some of the most amasing surf stories I have seen and heard, riveting, are from the real guys that first lived there, maybe 10 years before I moved there. It wasn't Byron. Or Torquay. The first time I surfed there, that was it for me, I was living there. All that visualising stuff made it happen, I had deluxe jobs where there were supposedly none, amasing shit happened.

The best, most gung ho guy I have seen surf there, Todd Archer from Newy, tried to live there, but he even used to crack and admit it was just endless intensity, and that he would sometimes pray for Blacks to be flat. That's one difference in visiting, you can go hard, then go away and regroup. Another huge one is that when you live there you end up being measured by what you contribute to the area, not by what you take. So if you come into town with a take only attitude, you are at the bottom rung. We have all the knives/guns/hip hop doo stories too. And killer dogs. Fuck at one stage there were mma/hip hop doo schools all over the shop, and no one was even surfing. Hilarious! Next it will be tatts!

Its funny when you live somewhere, life is never boring there, nature is never boring, endless, amasing things to do, families and stuff too. But, I have to admit, there's no shopping malls and clubs, or zoos and stuff. Faaarrkkkk what are we gunna do!

Gidday waynoz. Its always a sandpit in the western world, just bigger more ridiculously complicated toys, and books and stuff, and bigger more ridiculously complicated (responsible) fighting over them. My dad's tougher than yours! Yeh...well look what I can do...plus my dad knows Rabs!!!!! Yeh, well you should just grow up! Yeh, well says who...yeh well...

Living on the West Coast is a lifestyle choice, contrary to what most visitors believe, it's a tough place to live but people make that choice because they like how it is at the time they make the choice. Things change as time goes by but you have to understand people's desire to limit that change as much as they can.

I lived there for 20 years in the 80's and 90's, I had no problems when I moved there. You just need to take the time to get the rhythm of the place and the people. It's a simple case of "when in Rome, do as the Romans do". If you behave like a moron/idiot you'll get the respect you deserve.....none. If you slip into the groove you'll do fine. Flying in with an entourage of photographers for a quick "exposure session" doesn't fit and you'll always have problems.

Like some alluded to above, I have seen people who have lived there for a year or two screaming at and abusing older surfers just for turning up at "their secret break"......except the older surfers were people who had been surfing the "secret spot" 25 years before.

It's all about RESPECT......nothing else, give respect and you'll receive it in return. I remember watching Tom Carroll surfing a well known left hander years ago. He showed respect to the locals, in and out of the water, brought no hordes of journalists, just went out, had a surf, impressed everyone with his ability and "water manners" and left......no dramas at all.

It's a great place to live......but it's definitely not for everyone

Aaaah uplift, thanks for that advice, I really do feel much better. Now I have a great technique for those, like yourself who suffer from undue agitation, it is absolutely guaranteed to work, no worries ever again. Are you ready? No need to take up a special position, anywhere will do. Now, breath out once, and stop.

Hey blinder... mastered than one years ago! Easy shit! And here I am to this day, still going, and not a mark on me!

Well Upskirt, can't say I'm surprised you were there on the spot when rabbit came to town, I would not want to get into a religious argument with you, no doubt you were present for the birth of Jesus. Agree with you about jetskis. Hey Brutus, so you weren't making money from storm riders?

Well shawnee, even though I'm just a big, rippling, raw boned, talented, athletic, good looking guy, even I'm not everywhere. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have to admit, I don't remember looking inside and seeing you ever.

And I'll probably get yelled at and severely reprimanded for going off topic, but as for the Jesus thing, I think its time I finally come clean...I, I, I am, I am J...

And further more, if this sort of despicable stuff keeps up, you've all really, really, really had it, you'll be really, really sorry you were ever born. Because... I will never ever, ever, never, ever, not even once, never even speak to you again, promise, cross my heart and hope to die, ever, not even one word, so there, cop that! Never, not even once, ever, never...so there! Never. Ever.

Never, ever, never!

EVER!!!!!

And...furthermore, anyone that even knows yous or talks to yous scum will be sorry too!!!!!!!!!! I will never talk to any of you scum, never, ever!!!! Double promise!!! Never!!!

@ Stu

You may not have said thet you are an expert on South OZ. You just implied this thorough your comments.
Just like you implied the threat of violence from the MWCSRA. I am not sure where you have got this idea from? I cant see the threat you implied in your article through any of the associations objectives. Where have you got this idea from?
Your 1st class journalism also calls the group "The Mid West Coast Board Riders Association" rather than by its' correct name when it is first refered to in your article.
You also clearly state that "One of the associations first actions since the meeting has been to stop visitors filming at a...."
Can you confirm that this was ever actioned or approved by the association?
If not your story should continue to edit your story to the point where it accurately represents the association and its objectives.
To the point the story wont exist.

This needs to be straight. We welcome all surfers from all walks of life to come and enjoy the waves and the culture over here. We are experiencing unsustainable traffic over the last few years which needs addressing in an environmental sense. Any advice from long time residents in similar areas and cases eg. Brutus would be much appreciated as we move forward to sustain our areas for our kids etc. like I said this is new to us and we are not about the BIFF. We are about protecting our pristine coastline.
My ph is 0429161116 just putting it out there for any positive ideas.

Ps. Lets get transparent.
My name is glen Tonkin
15 year port Lincoln resident and surfer
Born in Adelaide and I shit red
yellow and blue ( that's our sa footy colours)
Current member of mid west surf association.
I love this coast from islands south to the western border.
Threats. Biff. Bla bla bla. Bla.
Not the issue
Managing the health of our coast is the issue we will fight for.
We are dealing with human faeces in our carparks made popular by exposure.
Touchy issues I know.
When I go for a surf and my kids are crawling in a carparks with booger shit lying around shits me.
Had great surfs with travelling surfers at unnamed reefs and seen some amazing shit with no cameras. Can a place just stay that way?
We have some very passionate crew who have built businesses and families around the fact we can surf such waves when were not working based on these principles.
Bring a shovel and bury your shits
Come get some pits
Lets have a beer after
Ps. Shit in carparks. Unload a carload in the lineup and treat our coast like its a city carpark and the happy vibe may alter.
Standard in all areas but we are banding together out here.
Always a cold pale ale in the eski for after a surf with some new crew
No scare tactics
Respect tacticts

G'day Tonks, shorty here. One of my first jobs out of uni in 2001 was a coastal impacts study of 1000km's of the MWC under the 'Great Australian Bight 1000' project. Some may recall it - was funded by the feds and had a project officer based at SB council to co-ordinate. Was set-up in recognition of the actual and potential visitation impacts, sort of modeled on a similar project in NW WA (for memory). Has resulted in some of the infrastructure like stairs and observation decks put in place at some of the well known spots and other spots to try and manage foot traffic / erosion issues etc. I also remember a visitor info pamphlet we put together. Moth contributed his time and came up with some epic graphics/drawings for it, but don't think it ever made it to print.. Anyway long story short the GAB1000 project did exist and did look at some of the issues and response strategies. It was short term project, but i think trying to take a long term strategic view.. Anyway could be worth looking into where that all got to if ya haven't already. Give me a buzz if you need to. Cheers

Admittedly most comments have become lighter here, (and agreed environmental concerns are an issue there as with with everywhere -please bury your poos!) but this is where it's at: Tyron Swan is from Elliston, and from what this article shows, exemplifies what surfers are all about. The best part, they are looking for a duct tape sponsor- CLASSIC! Some entrepreneur should come up with a strap system, until then I hope to see a big 3M sticker on the nose of their board.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/paraplegic-mum-goes-duct-taped-surfing-on-...

uplift,wrong ,wrong....never made any money out of videos or surf trips, ,do you have any idea what it was like 30 years ago....??

I don't hate the shmuck,they are your words,i actually disagree with his philosophy of expose at any cost,as he has the right to...drive thru surfers on his Ski....( got an incredible sequence of him this week screaming fuck off while driving thru paddle surfers...maybe thats your philosophy as well....??

or is just easier to blame me for your lame BS philosophy.......we are still learning about the cause and effect of our actions.....and learn from mistakes....

we do not tow when there are paddle surfers...end of story! and if ya have a problem with Skis and paddle surfers show some gonads,film the guys and report them to the police!

As I said to shmucks last time...you guys would have no problem in a couple of brazilian film crews turning up...you would welcome them with open arms....as intimidation won't work?

Sik. Cheers mate. Will get in contact with you

I recently passed thru the Eyre peninsula after about 15yrs since my last trip.Great surf and crew, no hassles and even got used to the west end. I was surprised in the still lack of toilet facilities at some of the more popular spots and even more so by the removal of the toilet that was at one particular popular spot close to SB when I was there last. There was no shortage of trails ending in the usual paper and poo piles. Apparently the compost toilet was removed to reduce crowds?(hasn,t worked if it was) Seems like a strange angle to approach it from. Wondering if anybody had more on that story?

Noticed the toilet was gone last trip too. Only part of the issue I imagine though, the toilet is only needed if the increase in numbers warrant it.
Glad to hear the Sth Oz crew are joining together and united in the cause, not before time.
Beautiful untouched part of the world. Totally agree with previous comment about how many "pro" surfers would actually go there without cameras?
Would like to hear from Tim Bonython about how ANY break EVER benefitted from exposure?? I think we are all aware that Tim Bonython benefits but no one and no where else does. Can he explain the improvements he has made to ANYWHERE...
How about some examples Tim.
I'm sure some of the WA boardriders will get on side with your cause and will be in touch with Mr Ramjet.
Never had a hassle in SA, not from localism only from obnoxious jet ski operator operating outside the law.
Keep the spirit of discovery and adventure alive ...

Classic thread, lots of passion, good read.......although it all seems like a bit of a storm in a tea cup to me.

Being an East Coaster I love heading West / or to isolated places. Feels like 'real' surfing to me. I remember my first trip to Margs. All those bearded old men with busted up yellow boards, funny looking helmets, 15 year old wetties, they don't give a shit what they look like. I can understand how obnoxious a blond haired, bright wetsuit wearing, shiny DHD carrying 'Easty' must look to the local crew as they suck down their breaky beers* during their early morning surf check (*another story for another time).

Surf travel etiquette kept simple:

a) When driving into the carpark, don't take the prime position parks
b) When in carpark refrain from defecating in it
c) If locals are present contain your froth - no matter how good it is
d) paddle out 1 by 1. If travelling with any more than 2 or 3, surf in shifts (others good for shark spotting)
e) A simple 'hows it going' with a smile goes a long way
f) Make sure the locals are getting more waves than you
g) If called into a set wave - GO

Realistically we've all travelled, we've always surfed waves other than the one closest to our house including the chaps down at Cactus, we all know what to do. There's always going to be the peanuts both travellers and locals

Brutus

This video was an ad, to promote your team and sell your boards, using WA surf, stop BSing.

http://vimeo.com/5382726

A quick google search will show that you use whatever it takes style of self promotion to make money, a living, just like the guys you hammer.

Towing... you pioneered and master minded this? Don't sell boards for it? BS.

http://www.mauricecole.com/philosophy/

http://www.theinertia.com/surf/laird-hamilton-takes-issue-with-teahupoo-...

And I've seen proof you are also an expert at missing gonads. When you got to Blacks, all I saw was the whites of your pop eyes, like a couple of dinner plates peering over your dash board while you were huddled on the floor, jibbering about it being an unridable bommie? Short memory.

Don't hide and mouth off between the Brazilian's legs, step out and stand up for yourself.

Congratulations downdraft on lowering the tone of the discussion by a personal attack. All your macho bullshit just reveals how deep seated your own insecurity must be.

Gidday, as far as protecting the sites, as some of you know I was voted onto the council at Elliston. It was a big deal then, as no surfer/non local farmer/family person had ever managed to do it. Some farmers actually approached me as they were sick of the council tactics, and over the years learned to trust me. I was also earlier invited onto the West Coast Health and Community Services Advisory Board, which encompassed a region including Streaky and Wudinna, so I had a bit to do with their councils. What I saw Council wise was pretty amasing. A lot of you weren't there then, but I came across a file where the council was planning a fuel depot and boat harbour, right at the bottom of the cliff at blacks, the point, where some guys climb up. They had extensive plans, and financial backing for a breakwall, ala Madeira in Spain, fuel depot, dredging, forming a harbour, etc, that would have been the end of Blacks. This was so that the tuna boats/towing had a refueling spot, which they still would love. I forced a public meeting and consultation and the town/surfers were horrified that they hadn't even been informed or consulted. The thing was howled down and kicked out.

It showed me the Council's thoughts about surfing. Elliston Council has one idea about surfing/development, Streaky another, Lincoln another, Ceduna same. My advice is that you need to get Councillors on side from each location, and try to get them working together. Then there is the reality of who actually owns/controls the land. Coastal protection have their interest, as do Native veg. When I was on the council I also discovered that there were Aquaculture leases that council had approved to suss investor groups along the whole coastline. You all know about the ab farm, only a lack of profit stopped that. There are the various Nunga's Native Title claims to think about. They carry much weight and rightly should. They held up the development behind the line of shacks on the front beach. However at one stage I wanted to donate some of my own land at Salmon Point for a site commemorating Nunga's who died in the invasion/dispossession, but we were unable to do it, without being involved in a huge, expensive shit fight. I have owned that land for over 30 years and its been amasingly ridiculous dealing with each group. Then there is the powerful SA Planning. There are times when the Heritage Council want a say too. I saw how much power the different groups have, when farmers would be lured by some supposed help, only to virtually lose any control of chunks of their land. As some of you know I did projects in Lincoln and my own experience is that it costs to fight them, and they can even stymie councils (look at Lukin's proposal at the old BHP site, which the council actually wants).

We are lucky that we have some really experienced guys that are experts and have worked with all the departments and councils. I would be seeing Merrick Savage, in Lincoln (Eyre Native Seeds) a surfer at heart still. Gerry (sorry I mean Gerard) Hemming would have plenty of info. Scotty Kane would be able to help heaps, with regard to dealing with councils and understanding the Nunga's, and enlisting their support.

When I was on the council, I went to Albany/Esperance and Carl (the kid) showed me some stunning spots, so isolated, yet they all had amasing infrastructure. Water/shelter/toilets and boardwalks, and designated trails. It is partly due to this:

http://www.bibbulmuntrack.org.au/trip-planner/track-sections/denmark-alb...

I wanted the Elliston Council to investigate all this, contact Albany, whoever, but they weren't interested. I left around then, to be in Lincoln for a while, and resigned from the council. But, I would definitely be talking to WA, some of their sites were awesome. That's my input. Just one more thing, guys like Bobby Ford are really respected surfers up and down the coast, and in business, and have earned that for years, before many others came. It would be good to give actually them a chance to speak, and have them on board.

Gidday Blindy missed your comment. I didn't bring up BS and gonads, happy to go there though, if its started up. Notice how you guys start all the macho, then start blubbering if it comes back?

Uplift all those lads bar merrick have been approached and given their support

If you have merricks contact details ore any other relevant contacts me via phone or message
Cheers

Uplift... link is a great. Would like to use this as a model for local council planning up here. Think any Thom-cat would look at this and say... look here... it's sustainable surf tourism... this could be/is the way to do it.

Gidday, Scotty Kane is a classic, you have to milk him, he honestly knows how to do, how to professionally present the things you want. Mega experienced. He's the ultimate never judge a book by its cover. Eccentric genius. Likewise Merrick, who was a phenomenal/legendary surfer in his day too. They'll curse me forever for this. Pump them, don't let either of them off the hook! Both are particularly good at flying under the radar.

I had a bit to do with this guy, who was on the Elliston Council for a while.

http://www.postcards-sa.com.au/features/elliston_ocean_view.html

http://www.coodliepark.com.au/

All I know is he had insane drive, super exuberant and positive. But I don't know him like the others. Worth finding out for yourselves though.

Getting these types/councils/government together is the trick. (Could I have a video copy). I know they all have big hearts and their love of the environment is real. Like everything though opinions differ, but they have all worked professionally and successfully in this type of stuff.

WA/Albany region was like a ray of light to me. It showed me what is possible. I sold some blocks of land here in Lincoln not that long ago through a real estate mob in WA. When the agent came here she reinforced what I knew/know, how insane our coast is. She was absolutely stunned and blown away by the magnificence of our coast, but equally shocked at the non existent infrastructure, which works both as protection, and as a means of showcasing it and financing its upkeep and future. You people would be like me, you would have seen things that are insane that no one will see. But there is a way/ways that everyone can marvel at it, enjoy in a win/win way. Imagination, its free, and unlimited.

Cheers for the contacts uplift. And cheers shorty would love to get that info you spoke of. Have sent you a pm as I haven't got you number. Mine is 0429161116 if you wanna call would be sik. You know what we are on about here I think one of my favourite days of surfing involved you and your brother sharing a pretty special day with us. We wanna share those days with our kids like we shared with you guys that day. Even though it was two foot and onshore but that's pretty good for round here.

Good on the SA locals. What is it with todays young (and some not so-young) surfers? How about you enjoy a surf, take some snaps for your own memories and a few snaps to rub in to your friends over dinner but why the hell do some of you have to send every head dip you get to swellnet or coastalwatch? I suppose you're just being generous....to your own ego

uplift,ya got to be kidding.....yeah Teddy Bears picnic was filmed in WA first tow movie ever made.......no spots were exposed...it was the beginning of riding waves that till that time a lot of spots were unridable,so yeah pioneering something in surfing seems to grate on your pathetic comeback in accusing me of making money and for money sake I have ruined surf spots,is that what ya saying??

Do you even understand about s/bd design and the need to test /experiment etc...because thats what I do and use Tow as my F1 to test everything at extreme speeds ,extreme waves ......and do not commercialise any surf spots.....

whats the dribble about when i cam over there with WL.....we surfed blacks,a Local guy came out dropped in on Wayne first wave,Wayne then dropped in on him ,actually went right at Black fellas...big scene erupted...W Lost the plot grabbed his shotgun,fired it like a maniac at the trap set up on the beach...went to the pub that night,met the guy who appologised,as WL was his hero surfer..we all got pissed and then ended up at Caves.....so whats ya beef uplift.....ya seem to have made up a story about me surfing blacks..and hiding in the car,which proves you are a liar and deeply troubled person........thats your problem,and it certainly lowers your credibility on these forums to just make shit up to back up your BS claims...thats what NO gonads does for you Downlift

the world is a very different place now ,the last decade has seen amazing progress in riding big waves,plus all the media hype ,now the ASP has take over the Big Wave tour......I am sure there are people who would want an event over on your coast....what would ya say to that?

Just for the record uplift I make about 10 bds a week Max.....and live apretty simple life these days......not much money but a lifestyle committed to new design,faster boards,helping kids etc.....yeah i am one of those rich Surf Industry guys that sold his soul to become rich and powerful.......NOT!!!!

Great to see this thread getting constructive props to Glen and Shorty. That is where it's at, MANAGING the coastline, not DEFENDING it.

Leaving shit in carparks....I can't think of a more disrespectful sign.

Brutus, say what you like, you made the film and used the waves to market yourself, to try and make a living, just like the guys you hammer for trying to make a living in surfing themselves. I don't have to make anything up, a blind man can see it.

I know exactly what happened at black's, you shit yourself and your exact words were, its an unridable bommie.

Keep mouthing off, all hard arse, macho talk, with no back up, film me and send it to the authorities if you like.

More, more, more. Greed. Still doesn't explain how gasoline powered surfing benefits, or will benefit the environment.

You had an obvious, red hot go at pumping out heaps of boards, worldwide, its not selling your soul or anything to be guilty about, just like other people trying to figure out how to make a living doing what they love.

uplift,you just made up the bombie stuff..was WL there??

and yes I used waves to market the MC brand.....but not art anyones expense.....there is a big difference between 20 years ago and the last 5 years......not sure you get out under your rock often....but yeah we pioneered a lot of stuff.....but had a minimal effect on surf spots and local surfing culture.......

you are the one mouthing off,personal lies and just made up stuff from an era..what 30 years ago??

ya credibilty just gets less everytime ya try and denigrate myself or anybody....

question...do you have any problem with the commercialisation of the surf spots on the west coast?

Get back to the Topic Uplift .

Your last few posts previous ( that were not aimed at Brut )were constructive .

Your point was initially that he " sold out , or exposed the Coast " , not boards and money . The film you referenced had a map which detailed his logo bear as where they were . Surely there was two waves that were very recognisable . But i reckon one or two Magazine Articles probably spilled the beans far more . To this day there are probably sections or area's up that way that they've used footage on that the majority wouldn't know where .

That was the point of this wasn't it . NON exposure ??? And if it isn't and hangs more in the balance of coastal protection then you may want to listen a little more . If you want to talk about coastal protection , then which state would have the least amount of Beach
(4wd) traffic on it out of SA/WA/VIC/NSW/QLD . Maybe everyone can learn from each other , rather than getting on high horses .

Hey Brutus get on the phone to Roger Ramjet as he would like to discuss some positive improvements that you may be able to help with. His number is on this forum.
A lot of what this about can be looked at from what's happened, and what the future holds if nothing changes. Past mistakes can be forgiven just not forgotten so lets move on.
The SA crew can definately learn from other states and areas around the world. Cannot think of a single positive about any exposure of surf breaks similar to SA's remote area. Guess we will have to wait for Tim Bonython to return to educate us all on his noble profession. He gets around that man, exposing the SA desert one day then moves on to somewhere else the next.
Perhaps Stu and Ben would like to comment on his behalf, very quiet in this corner too.

Perhaps a direct question to you then Stu as to what you think and feel about the reason for "biff" and "association forming" in regard to exposure. No one has said anything negative about the reception they get when traveling within well known guidelines like small crowd, no professional cameras, no hasslers. No claims of any "BIFF". Missed the mark there Stu, not even close from replies...
What do you think about the reaction and underlying issue of blatant profiteering and environmental impacts from these areas. Seems to me that's why the MWSA is up and about.
Your article, please respond.

Heard about this discussion over the grapevine..pretty fckn funny..
@uplift you are a tool mate..anything constructive you have to say is overwritten by the amount of verbal diahorrea you produce..
You think your the hero at blax? no-one is the hero at blax! she'll give you a lesson you'll never forget mate. get your head out your arse!
The west coast is awesome..best waves in SA fullstop!!
The Island, blax, monies' yanerbie..mate we've got it all...come one come all!! we need the money(and your honey's) over here!! once we get the BWWT at yanerbie she will all be sweet..Timmy you'll be there to get the shots..yeah? cool..wouldn't expect anything less..can't wait to have a crak at it..Why is everyone sooo obsessed with doing a poo? ya carnt be serious can ya??if you don't eat ya don't shit and if ya don't shit ya die? thats what I was told!!

are fredos pics of eyre peninsula classed as exposure ?

@wankergland, we can only hope that someone shoves your head up your ass so you can no longer shit, then ya can do what you was told. Troll

I agree with Brutus in that we live in a very different world to 20 years ago. Brutus understands that what was done in the past can have a much greater impact today.
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It seems that Smucker's beliefs around media exposure not impacting his area due to its remoteness are not correct.

Wave it in their faces,shine the spotlight and they will come!

Of course people should be able to travel wherever they wish as long as they show respect in and out of the water. But advertising places on the internet constantly put those places at risk of turning them into a shitfight anytime anybody wants to go for a surf.

@ Tim Bonython, heres some food for thought regarding your "passion" and justification on doing as you please.

It is also some peoples passion to look after their backyards and take great offence to a visitor showing no regard to local opinion. And it is their right to inform you they disagree.

You arrive,film ,leave and its then the local surf community that is left to cop whatever impact follows. If that community objects and you proceed because of your passion as you call it,you may find you have a problem.

Looks like out of necessity local communities are pushing back before their backyards are ruined by a few at the cost of many.

@shaun piss off mate...5th generation over here where have you blown in from? or you call yourself 'local'?the shit thing was a joke mate..as for the rest@ timmy he's a kneeboarder..that's his issue from the start...!! why can't we get some money off the area mate?livin' ova here is a tough gig...My family owns some coastal land and there's waves that we have never seen visitors at so to say it will be crowded is bs!! the island and blax..monuments...well everyone knows about them anyway..we need $$$ over here and who is anyone to criticise?yanner's will sort herself out mate so yeah no need to stress aye??

WC ....
you are the only one that liek dropping names of places ...... am i reading a split personality ????

yes there are " other " places , but when you decide to name yourself after one doesn't leave much to the imagination . Access ? well with enough days offshore in a row , anyone with soem sort of Boat noust could go where ever they liked . So it won't be long with this open sort of talk till every inch is on the Radar !
and while we are at it , whatever generation local wouldn't matter !
What is gonna matter is how many generations local " surfer " . as we all know that everyone outside of actual surfers will benefit in some way or another from more traffic .!

Wcgland is obviously Jiffy Smuckwit. Classic, only person to come out looking at for the bucks gained.
Cheers for response Stu, very diplomatic stance with a foot in both camps. Hard to keep all sides happy I'm sure. Thanks for replying

can anyone please show me where the slater footage is?? i spend way to much time on the net and i havent seen anything from these session (except some posts on slater s instgram and all he said was #australia) so too all you SA crew stop stressing... your area is extremely cold, extremely sharky, extremly raw and 90% of us "eastie" are too soft (insert generic excuses) to bother driving 1000000 hours to get to the west coast, when we will probably just go to indo where it warm and the beers are $1.... im sure there are days when its big, raw and perfect and you dont go out because you cant find someone else to watch over you..

as for "jeffy smukfucka" please use one ID so we can track you ignorent remarks.... every issue you get involved in, you turn into a personal attack (i.e brutus etc) reading between the lines its obvious you are a passionate surfer and father (your son rips) who enjoys taking photos, but PLEASE dont make every attack person because it STINKS of insecurity... almost like you hate yourself for exposing the coast you love so much, but can help FANING that ego of yours... your fellow "locals" must hate you...

Great post Camel.
Think the footage will be released as soon as the cheque to Tim Bonython has cleared and the bidding or whatever has finished.
Jiffy Smucker probably tries to keep one ID going but it must be hard for him as he's lost his marbles and stands for nothing but stupidity and ignorance. Sure WCGLAND and BLACKHAWK agree with the rest of us.
Stay tuned

Nice dig camel..been dropping in on everyone lately mate?If you don't like it stop makin' trips here!mate..I'm not the one doin' the attacking..just sticking up for myself..So what if crew want to take some pics..losts of jealousy on here..suck eggs I reckon.

Me thinks the waves are bigger in WA/SA because the ocean is scared of all the opinions floating in the water down there. Why don't you guys cool down for a bit and have a beer.

Schmucko, living over their is tough and you need the money? I seem to distinctly remeber you big noting yourself and how much money you make when you were on one of your previous rants?

Aint Smucko either, his ego would not let him argue under another name, remember it's all about the smucko.

I ain't Jeff mate and I'm not whinging about my personal financial position..I'm thinking of the benefits for the area and the communities reecen mate.

yeah sorry to rain on your parade schfuck, but im not camel, or whoever it is....
but im sure if i was that camel i would drop in on you,
i would continue to come to your town,
i would stick up for myself

Like i said before you should take photos of your coast, but dont fucking bitch and complain when your fellow locals call you a dickhead, when YOU DECIDE to sent those pics to every media outlet possible just so you can see your name up on the screen, if you think this make you the king of the coast then your tripping!!!

I suggest once in a while you should put the camera away and enjoy the view from the inside the waves you have on offer, hoot your fellow locals into some bombs instead of running them down on your ski (for a glory pic) because ill assure you its a much more satisfying feeling than going home and seeing your name in pixels...

Nice work camel mate..having a go at the wrong person. Its morons like you that prob shit in the carparks?yeah...mate if you go about it in the right way the extra $$ can be put back through and used for developments/environmental work to help preserve the areas. The big spots have 15-20 out on a good day anyways..theres a surf school down the road...fucken putting shots out isn't gonna make a brass razzoo's diference mate..seen the places in summer mate? packed as anyway? a few more people in winter and businesses survive money flows through all good mate!

Southey, no my point is you can't separate exposure whether its selling boards through filming waves, or selling photos. Its the pot calling the kettle black. People just trying to make a living.

Brutus, you shit yourself at blacks. I'm not interested in what anyone else did, call as much backup as you want, its not a problem. If it makes you feel better, you charged, killed it at blacks, its folklore there. And probably for the zillionth time, Brutus, I can't help you...click.

So Camel dropped in on Smuckwit and then the sooksmuck has a winge, considering that the little fatty smucky only tows that's so classic. Go Camel. A great West Oz man.

@wcgland, sorry if you not schmucka, (i guess sometime i shouldn't always believe what is said on threads)

however schmucka or not wcgland! the confusion should be a indication that you need to check you tone on this forum, because it seems to be getting confused for old mate schmuck, who is incline to a person attack or two...

First up i must be lost because the majority of SA surfers are complaining about "OVER EXPOSURE" and the influx of surfers the region is getting, but now your saying your not getting enough surfers??

( a few more people in winter and businesses survive money flows through all good mate!)

so what the fuck is the issue, is it too crowded, not crowded enough, becoming over development, needs more development!!

@wcgland get off the forum and march down to your local council member and ask him to put aside acouple $$ and build a fucking drop toilet - or even better get the crew @Mid West Coast Surfrider's Association to have a working bee instead of sitting at the pub and complain about about the exposure, then once the toliet is set up everyone is happy, the few tourist you get dont shit on the track, the core surfers can send in ignorent tourist, and schmuck and yourself can continue to take photos of each other 5 feet infront of the pit (and if you are actually schmucka im sure you have a gopro that does the same job)

geez,beer o' clock at the streaky pub must be a real hoot these days.

uplift,what are you dribbling on about...one moment I'm scared of the bombie,now its blacks...c'mon try and keep ya fairy tales at least believable.....and what about WL..did he shit himself too??

just for the record,when we went to blacks 25+years ago..we were disappointed that blacks did not hold a big swell and thats why we ended up at Caves....

still no answer about your thoughts on a big wave surf comp over your way???

This is awesome, you are right winkie happy hour at the pub must be fun.
Everyone has their pantys in a knot and it is all over the place, it is great i am getting emotional reading it ha ha.
Brutus pretty sure that Uplift said you called blacks an "unrideable bombie"
WCGland i assumed you were schmucker when you were called schmucker and your following post indicated you just might be.
Seeing as it is ok to film everything I reckon someone (me) should start a reality tv show in West Coast SA, it has all the ingredients of a great show.
Dumb muscle heads, warring statesman, human excrement, jet skis, sharks, drunken rumbles etc etc. Throw a girl into the mix every now and again and watch the testosterone ratchet up a few levels, gripping stuff.

It is pretty funny. See Brutes, just for the record you said 'Blacks was an unridable Bombie'.

I am not interested in what went down between other people, this is you and me.

The reason you ended up at caves is the same reason you love Bells.

Big wave comps cant be here, you reckon it wasn't even big enough for you. Once I even heard a guy say blacks was a close out when he frantically sped off up the coast. Your 'goin' somewhere bigger eh' approach is fairly common.

How will towing fit in with the environment?

http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/18/laird-hamilton-jet-ski-surfing/

So are all these 'secret' waves that shouldn't be exposed the ones that are clearly pointed out in Google Earth with the WannaSurf layer turned on?

reecen you assume too much... femes are watching.

WeakGland is definately Smuckwit, perhaps he was banned and is making a comeback. Keep dropping in on him Camel till he runs out of fuel.
No one else on that coast has the same deranged ideas as Ismuck.

That Laid Hamilton jet ski story is so hilariously ironic. Poor lil' ol' Laird... lost his wave he pioneered on jetski in 2000 to a bunch of people doing just that... documenting their own go via jetski. Afraid I don't want to see it here. Already got probs with such types pulling these stunts past ospreys and stuff - sure first time might b a simple mistake, but more than that is stupidity/ignorance. Same with the case of jet skis dodging heads in MW line-up. Fist time isn't a mistake with the current legislations... but it certainly could be the last time for the person who suffers a knock. Jet skis are stupid inventions... or better clarify it... jet ski riders who pull stunts like that are stupid inventions themselves.

the truth?there are lotsa better coasts to surf.why?nearshore geology all over western s.a only allows our best(half-dozen)breaks to handle about 6 ft.the beachies,compared to other states,generally suck.there are no rivermouths,nowhere(quality) to surf in persistant seabreezes and only a couple of fat,usually crowded points.if theres a20ft swell that bomby from the fantasticnoodles comp might be ok,but dont expect an easy(or uncrowded) session.to regular contributors to this thread,please stop dropping names of our(limited)and usually fickle,breaks,as there are just so many more crew onto it these days.i know u must love rambling on about the good old days when crowds were low but guess what?its2013,the information superhighway is here and the westcoast,s.a,has never been more crowded.it sucks.

F#@* me Drunk !!!

to quote out of the film "Anchorman" ....
" that kind of got outa hand " , "yeah that really escalated" !!!

Apologies to anyone that misread my observation that JS and WCG were of very similar opinions . It does appear that JS , WCG and Black Hawk , maybe tha Three Musketeers . As long as it doesn't involve some sort of Pistolero' outfits like a Certain Eastie that wore at Blacks . Then they can do what they want behind closed doors . But in public , modesty would be better infront of camera's .

Camel has graced these walls once or twice , but under the monika of 'Caml' as Udo has pointed out .

I don't know Brut personally , and he sure as hell don't know me . But i don't think you need to question his commitment Uplift !?

I only presume you are on your Forehand at your favourite wave of Domination ( pls correct if wrong ) and if not I presume you are just as adapt at [ enter heavy righthanders name here ]!!!?

Lastly can we leave all comments about anywhere else that are often refered to as Cactus out of This .

Thanks ....
Time for a Swan , Emu , West End , Southark ,Coopers , VB , MB , Boags , Cascade .... or Two ....

It's often a sign thats there's 5 days till the next footy game , when things get pair shaped in here ....

PS . Shauno ' when's that Bus load of Brazo WQS aspirant ju jitsu team surf club coming through here . I need to charge the batteries on me HD Vid Cam before they pick me up , drop by yours and Head West !!!.......;-)

PPS.
nebasha
about 9 hours
"Me thinks the waves are bigger in WA/SA because the ocean is scared of all the opinions floating in the water down there. Why don't you guys cool down for a bit and have a beer."
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Best post in the last few months by a long shot ... love ya work .

Yes the duelling banjos strings just burst into a mess of smoking nylon and cow gut. Dudes skin one up and chill .unfortunately your little corner of the state is now subject to crowds, so is every other pice of coast in the country. Yes protect it environmentally and development wise, but the reality of crowds is unfortunately unavoidable. Enjoy it while you can.

Southo, thanks, but no thanks. Fuck yourself drunk. And never assume things. Backhand going left. He bristles up all over the place on here, I mean, heavy, shooting cameras and all that at people, what a meanie, hard core. As I said, he raised the topic, and I commented on his display of commitment. That's all. Shit I would've lent him a board, I've done it for other shaping legends getting pummeled out there, and he could've spared himself years and years of self inflicted grief.

It used to be more crowded years ago. Petrol and the dole. Surfing in shifts was common, that's why/where all the rules came from.

And don't forget to pick up Blindy's axe/knife/gun/rabs/ wielding secret agent ninjas on the way too.

@southy thanks for lighting the peace pipe and getting the circle started, couldn't have summed up the issue any better myself!! Cheers

@uplift you could have had hits of this peace pipe, instead you just proved that you are a childish, ignored, washed up (natural footed) kook... You have just proven your entire motive for this discuss was to make personal attacks on people (I.e Brutus) instead of working with your fellow local to resolve the issue... At least we know how "commited" you are to bringing people down online..

that wasn't a Proposition ....

I didn't assume , as your photo probably should have alerted me to it . Although it looks a little soft for B's .:-)

I reckon offering him a board now , might get him a little upset , as opposed to back then .......

Not from personal experience , but a comment that a place is unridable might be about its capacity to hold a maxing swell .
And if the case be true perhaps you wouldn't want to be heading NW . Perhaps direct opposite .
Last time i was up that way , we had a full 4-5 days of it being too big up at "Winki". On the fourth day of trying to ride " unridable "
( infact I'm not even sure a couple of the spots we had a dig at were actually spots) So bruised and battered , that we gave in and headed back down to I's for respite .

Agreed southy I'm sorry, you're right, I should've offered him one then. Wait for the tide and sift through them. Local knowledge got nothing on you. I must have surfed with you heaps.

Bet you can't guess where it is. Even though you'da been there before me.

Camel, you left out lame and gonadless. I reckon you've had one too many hits of the peace pipe. Brilliant detective work though.

Half these chargers I'm dealing with should blow their noses, just be carefull they don't fall off.

Uplift , old mate .
No LK here . I'm under 40 , so i doubt i've done anything before you ,
except question your angle of approach in these walls .
Plus never lived over your way .
At some stage in my life , i was holding my own in the water .
But i'm no world beater like ya good self .
Since your such a balls to the wall type , i presume from your photo that
the location is One Palm . Since your wearing Booties
( a man of your accomplishment would only be wearing booties at a
place where other mere mortals and Pro's alike wear steamers ) .
anyway please carry on ... you were saying ???

... have ya's got enough EXPOSURE here yet ?

Time and time again, a stink gets created over nothing much, and draws more attention than it was meant to prevent.

uplift,making up wank seems to be your Forte!!

The day Myself WL and Keith pulled up at blacks ,it was 4-5'....we all surfed by ourselves,till a local guy paddled out and dropped in on Wayne,as he was getting toooooo manmy barrels......wayne then went right worked the guy over...Wayne lost his shit about the disrespect shown to someone who was just surfing ,no cameras ,no exposure...which Wayne was one of the original guys who would not commercialise surf spots and made a big deal out keeping surfspots not named etc...

At that period of our lives we carried shotguns and a trap .....we went down the beach set up and WL just started firing madly......later that evening at the pub the guy appologised over a few beers and ironically WL was his hero.....

We were all disappointed with Blacks as it only holds about 6' so we went looking elsewhere....checked a few spots ,but decided Caves would be a guaranteed bigger better wave.....

As for being shit scared and saying it was an unridable bombie ..wank......what color and type of Car were we travelling in??

Hey I have been scared plenty of times,plenty of places......but sorry ol Uplift the wanker......not over there.....but ya tell a nice story when you want to try and compromise someones credibility..

As for the ongoing debate about taking custodianship over your local surf area......this is happening more and more,because places are getting crowded...2nd and 3rd generation surfers are growing up..older guys are still surfing....and responsible custodianship is being enforced now and raping and pillaging of surfspots is becoming a thing of the past.....

Funny how people not even in our state are whinging about exposure.Southey mate, I am not smux..live a hour and halvies from him..no issue with what he's doing...wouldn't have seen Kely,mick and Joel..craiky,goodall i none of this if he didn't start it really..how many top locals have sponno's now? I think it is great..bring it on..you go to these places when there on and enough people there anyway. I think more locals could have the gravy if we could get more shots out..taleented boys over here..pussyrioter your name says it all!!mate

Hello Jeffy Smuckwit WCGLAND "..fucken putting shots out isn't gonna make a brass razzoo's diference mate..seen the places in summer mate? packed as anyway? a few more people in winter and businesses survive money flows through all good mate!"
Such words of wisdom, if you believe contray then time to come out of your cave. I've seen more pics and you've named more places in the last 3 years than the previous 30 years combined.
What businesses are looking to profit in your area through winter, do you sell wool beanies and socks?
Come on Jiffy, 5th generation whatever, your not always correct.
Brutus should post those pics of you towing and screaming at paddlers, reveal the mentality of the 5th generation......

I Was talking to about 8 girls from an east coast surf club who are planning a trip camping and surfing on the west coast. having read these comments they have some reservations about being accepted.I assured them that they wouldnt get punched( not in the face,anyway) I offered my services as a tour guide for them but my wife wont let me.Do you think they will be o k ?...................oh i thought so.

Your correct Weakgland, instead of PR I was going to try for PipelineMaster or BigRockBigFigs or name myself after my local break but Fluffy's not tough enough for even me. Seems to have lulled you into a false sense of security. Never mind, you and Jiffy can brainstorm together on how to profit from your coast. 5 generations to make it, one to ruin it. Sydney Kidman. Check him out WCsookGland

Thankx pussy mate..your one of the 'locals' livin in the time warp with franknfurter.scared of people because you cant surf and wont be able to get waves off the pack!!mate hopefully we can get a comp at yanners and see all the mad chargers push it with a few of the boys..wouldnt that be sick!!right?the noodle boys are keen [email protected] girls will be safd with me;)

Gidday Brutus, It was red Ford Cortina with mags a spoiler and spotties and shooting/trappin racks. You are hard arse badboy. Don't spend your life filming Jeff surfing. If you have an issue, paddle out and deal with it.

You shit yourself at Blacks. Bells is you. Film me too if you want to get heavy.

How will jet skis help the environment that you are so passionate about saving?

No where near it Southy.

I'll be guessing that your not a member of MWSA, therefore a minority in the area. What industry are you in, knitting beanies for visiting surfers? I'll also guess that year 8 was the worst 5 years of your life and your a laborer of some kind.
Back to the actual topic, do you agree that the SA WCoast needs some kind of protection in view of the future?
I'll guess that you endorse the short term gain at all costs. Good for a while for small minority. In regard to BWWT don't see any "local" lads on the tour, guess your hoping they will get a guernsey on game day but that's wishful thinking. If they're up for the BWWT they may need to venture out into the big bad world instead of a waiting for it to roll into their town.
Your thoughts???

most people will be fine visiting the WC if they bring with them respect , a shovel and have SA plates on their car

so who shot the osprey ? may as well blame brutus

uplift,word is ya don't surf anymore,live in Port lincoln,and were not around when we came over 30+ years ago.....

how do we justify jet skis .......?

easy ,have you heard of 4 stroke motors that have zero emissions...do you know that lifeguards,clubbies and big wave paddlers use Jet Skis as a life saving device...and surfers use em to tow in.

have had a few boys from over your way contact me....about the protocols of jetskis in the surf with paddlers...easy film em,take the film to the police and the driver will lose his license for not having a spotter and for coming too close to surfers at speed...quite simple,its the law!!

We should just say that there's nothing here worth visiting huh? With all this bad attitude, it is a wonder why people would even think about it in the future. Ripple town. Nothing to see here... move along.

Great advice Brutus, easy way to shut down rogue jet ski operators.
WCGLAND gone back to her den or did Stu have to delete the sour comments.
When does Tim B return to answer questions posted above?
NW coast here had/has similar problems and will be in touch again to share approach.

@ Stu

Glad to see your back into things. You seemed to convieniently ignore my last post so I will remind you about my last points:

You may not have said thet you are an expert on South OZ. You just implied this thorough your comments.
Just like you implied the threat of violence from the MWCSRA. I am not sure where you have got this idea from? I cant see the threat you implied in your article through any of the associations objectives. Where have you got this idea from?
Your 1st class journalism clearly states that "One of the associations first actions since the meeting has been to stop visitors filming at a...."
Can you confirm that this was ever actioned or approved by the association?
If not, you should continue to edit your story to the point where it accurately represents the association and its objectives (to the point the story wont exist).

NB. I have edited some of the main gramatical errors and appologise I wrote my last post after a few Coopers Reds.

Brutes, yeh, that's old news, I've posted here several times that I was asked to Project Manage the building of the new fitness centre in Port Lincoln, and then manage it and train people and teach the staff. I am not surfing much at all at the moment, as I want to finish up what I promised I would do. As lots of people know, I've done that development sort of thing before. Its no big deal to me, I keep really healthy, fit, and strong, and I've surfed for most of my life, so its not hard for me to get full on back into surfing. Like I posted here, I'm easy to find and check out if you want.

Ya mate wordy's a bit off with your other stuff though, surprise, surprise. Well, I do have to admit, that would depend on your wandering goal posts though.

'just for the record,when we went to blacks 25+years ago'

'when we came over 30+ years ago...'

I'm still in with a six pointer though, but keep shifting the dates back, and you'll eventually get me. My picture is one of my last surfs before I moved here, 55. I moved there when I was around 25, and I'm nearly 58 now, so do ya sums (preferably not base style though). A couple more shifts and you and wordy will get me. Hey, who is wordy anyway?

What a beautiful part of the world.
I like many others have enjoyed the waves there.
Its the individuals choice whether to go there with respect or not.
Being that surfing is a mainly selfish pastime it is unfortunate most surfers are selfish fuckwits, What do you expect?
People that don't respect need to be told. Simple.
I thought this might be an interesting thread, but it is just a bunch of bickering
Shut the fuck up and go surf the ocean, not the internet

anyone else see the funny side of 50+ yr old blokes threatening each other via keyboard? - LOL! Imagine the actual asthma filled fight mwuaaahhh...sad.

Once stu wrote about this place on swellnet (where blackfellas met their waterloo 2009) and there was cold threat of violence from locals:

"FUCK you f*ckin c*nts doin this f*ckin shit to blacks. wat f*ckin right do u have floggin it all over the internet? pathetic little wankers sittin in your f*ckin office and to the f*ckwit that wrote this f*ckin artical, f*ckin better hope we dont see your f*ckin ugly head ever at blacks again mate, your f*cked! you've done nothin but dribble shit about our town and its surrounds, you f*ckin know nothin about the place. the f*ckin massacre didnt happen anywhere near blacks, it was on the other side of the bay and as the other crew said wat u expect them to paint a picture of people pushin aboriginals off the cliff do ya? n wat f*ckin right do u have to pass judgement on wat we f*ckin put on our murals?? your nothin but a low life surf photog that need a bullet like all the rest of your pathetic cowardly race, your not even human mate your a f*ckin joke. stuart nettle, ill remeber the name and ill let everyone else know as well so next time u even think about comin over here f*ckin think again c*nt or you'll there will be another massacre you f*ckin wankers from swell net will have to f*ckin write about!!!!!!!"

Gidday egg, yeh I do think its funny, surfing's always been fun for me. Never take it too seriously, a bit of shit stirring is good for you. But, hey come down to the gym, and I'll show you some stuff even funnier!

Actually no its not, the overall health and fitness of our young people is seriously wrong, through no fault of their own. Everything good for them is pretty much banned. We get ridiculous Govt memos regularly, like kids needing training because they are too weak to hold pencils.

Hi every one, Im 50 years old from adelaide nearest city to the west coast of SA, Im planning a trip this w/end to surf those big waves, how do you think i will go, haven't surfed there seriously since the 80s, new the locals then, don't know whats happening now, most have left or don't surf, anyone interested? need company!

lol uplift - i see the satire. Thought someone was using the keyboard to overstate their physical prowess. That was a bloody funny picture for me! watch out for ADHD fat kids dropping in! :)

overit - i suggest your trip planning requires a well thought through risk assessment! you will require yourself to be equipped with appropriate tools and technique to cope with 1) blow-in poo and 2) geriatric MMA techniques. My suggested treatments include; flat soled shoes and a certificate in first aid!

uplift, how do bothel creepers and a cert in 1st aid help?

I mean brothel creepers.

No worries egg. I can imagine what you could picture! But I have to admit, I'm no angel, and sledging is a sport over here. Its kill or be killed. There are plenty of people that would seriously love to see me go down, even now. I reckon when I hit 85 - 90, if enough of them band together, maybe they'll have a remote shot.

Its a different life over here, and ridiculous stuff is possible. Once the Lincoln radio station wanted a surf report, and everyone was terrified to give one because of threatened repercussions. I could wake up and see the surf, so they'd all be ringing me anyway. Someone told the station that I might do it, so they contacted me. I saw an opportunity, so I told them ok, but that they had to let me add my own stuff at the end, and read it out, no matter what. They saw the funny side, and agreed, partly because they didn't really like surfers. So, I got to sledge anyone and everyone. One of my conditions for me doing it was that no one was allowed to have a comeback. It was so fucking funny. Guys, legendary guys that is, were begging and pleading and even stink eyeing me not to sledge them on air. The Port Lincoln heavies couldn't believe that I could take over the town, on air, and that despite their supposed clout, they were totally, utterly helpless. The station would ring and tell me how they were in there daily, whining and whinging, and how they even caught one trying to flog the fax form and forge my supposed sledge, to get a comeback. Even the visiting tourists were fair game. There is a god.

I mean egg boy how do brothel creepers and a cert in 1st aid help?

Why is the ranting still going after wayneoz posted the link on Ty & Pascale?? A quote from the mainstream media on this inspirational story, "The unique double act has caught the attention of media outlets worldwide, from Australian TV shows 60 Minutes and Today, the Triple M radio network and Good Morning America. The video of the pair on the West Coast has received tens of thousands of views".

Gotta laugh

uplift,I inderstand now that ya don't surf anymore,so you don't really have the current day knowledge of how surfing is changing with the increase in social media,the lust from the media for scoops on new waves etc....

we have had situations over here in the last few years where the biff as threatened,trouble is ya gotta be careful who ya threaten because its illegal and ya end up with major problems with the law....

Had contacts fro a few hardcore locals over the west coast way ,asking what is the best way to deal with major exposure at one of your local surf spots?

Violence or the threat of, is an ol school remedy when we aere allowed to sort our shit out by taking it out in the car park and the issue was basically dealt with some ol' school biff.

In this day and age , its called assault and there are major consequences to goin the biff...

So what can a community do,if they are united that they don't want their surf spot commercialised,there are legal things you can do to stop film crews ,who blatantly disregard the status quo of a community based surf organisation.

the first thing to do is make sure you have a vast majority of local surfers onside...which the MWCBRA seems to have done......advertise your position,as this forum has done.........and then if you need to police rogue film crews or locals there are a couple of legal options that will deter surfers from breaking your local rules...

1) ya can stand in front of the cameras, as its a free world,and stop the cameraman getting footage...at no time threaten,or physically touch either equipment or the cameraman.
If the cameraman threatens or hits you,call the police.......

2) surfers can make sure the to be, filmed surfers , are aware that if they film,they will be dropped in on,on everywave so that any footage will be useless...and there is nothing the law says about dropping in,so the ball is then back in the film crews court,do they get upset about being dropped in on.......well philosophically the drop in rule is an unwritten rule that exists because of mutual respect...if one small group decides to abuse the respect.....hope ya can ride the barrel behind someone!!

Simple but genius. Brutus,that last point is the one that cuts to the heart of a solution. There's no law in any land about dropping in, it's an unwritten understanding that surfers have. It might also be the key to knocking exposure on the head. Dont biff just burn.

Another option is to go surfing on the east coast where people are better adjusted and not so uptight.

Sid, I think that is what a lot of the west coasters have been recommending for quite some time now :)

Brutus, not valid, I still surf enough to keep in touch, and I speak to all the guys that surf here heaps all the time, and hear about whatever is happening, that I am interested in. But hey, like I said, its funny everyone wants a claim on the West Coast, and you are claiming to be fully onto it here. Nothing new, its really common. Good for the image.

I've had contact too.

Even though I spent years and years in biff central, the capital of biff, according to this article anyway, I've never actually had to bother with the carpark. I've had plenty of action packed moments, all the stuff you and some others mention, knives, guns, blindy's ninjas, mates, gangs, whatever. Miraculously I survived without a mark on me. That's not true, a bloke from your way threatened me once, probably 'wordy', and that ended in the carpark, in full view of everyone, with for arguments sake, lets all call him 'wordy' from now on, (this is gonna be hilarious, 'wordy' sound perfect), climbing onto the roof of his car, threatening to get the cops, never talk to me again, and even worse, not let me come to his house. If he could just make it off the roof. As ludicrous as it sounds, there were plenty of witnesses, and its hilarious over there sometimes. Still, its nothing 'wordy' doesn't go through regularly. Another time a supposed heavy, hard nut killer, was gonna kill me, and fuck me up, and was getting really, really, really mad, but that was all over in a nano second. That was in a crowded day in the lineup, with touro's everywhere, which, to our benefit, cleared the lineup pretty quickly. Surfing's rumour mill is a classic, and I got all these calls from friends all over the place wanting to know why I broke the guy's legs. Despite it being nothing remotely like that. He got a crystal clear message though. And his 'gang' never lifted a finger, but actually admitted he had it coming.

Actually, that 'new' drop in tactic is old, and some of us mastered it perfectly years ago. But it really helps if there's actual weight behind it, and in the ensuing collision, and wipeout,

'shit sorry, ya ok mate, wow, as ya can see, I'm a big, good looking cunt, and I was getting flung around everywhere under there, fuck unlucky, accidents happen eh! Patch yourself up, and lets go again, this is a buzz eh!'

As for skis, my opinion is that they are totally the opposite to helping the environment, and not a necessary part of surfing. There is plenty of room for progress in big wave paddle surfing. Its a very separatist, western style view that fails to see the connection between manufacturing and marketing a jet ski to a massive conglomeration of extremely environmentally degrading activities and industries.

You may pass me off as whatever, and in another thread someone tried to do it negatively by showing the gym's website. Whilst I appreciate this sites stance, all it did was highlight that I've been upfront, and that there are numerous, extremely positive testimonials about me.
The people that own the centre are much more successful than most, in many international ventures, maybe even you Brutus.

'Hey, I know, lets hire a dimwit for this project! That wanker will do! Hey look the knucklehead won an award! Dick head!!!!

When you tell the truth its not always popular. Its a common scenario in personal training. Some people want results, and love the truth, so get amazing changes. Some go down with the story, and would love to take you with them.

Southy, 40 is prime time, you could easily be the fittest you've ever been. Including your back. Or cling to your story.

Imagine telling Kelley Slater, that his training and nutrition have contributed to a fucked back and tendonitis? Something has to change, and that things can all the opposite is possible.

OOOOOOMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYGGGGGOOOOOOODDDDD!!!! You ####ing ######, wanker Uplift, how dare you, you unpopular ####ing BS artist. Not our ####ing kelly!!!!!!! Father, forgive Uplift, he knows not what...no kill the unpopular ####ing arsehole!!!

No worries then. Stock up on pain killers and icepacks.

he he Morris. I'm doing my bit, can offer no more.

ya know, these sorta grumpies, you can see the stress on their brow, and the tension between their shoulders as they walk. Quite often what starts in the mind, manifests in the body and becomes real - life and death real.

happy days. Cheers.

That's my SN trifecta for the quarter.

Yep Brutus is spot on and its the best way to deal with these people. When in Rome you are a visitor,respect the local culture or be burnt. If you don't like it do travel with a box of tissues.

Mind you Brutus you would still have to be careful.
Never know when you may come across a mentally deficient piss weak individual with a narcissistic personality disorder who you have not threatened physically in any way but could decide to go and tell nasty lies because they cannot face that their self obsessed actions are offending a lot of people.

thanks for the razz up Uplift . but an old mate here from WA beat you to it , i'll get wet Saturday .... unfortunately i think half the states surfing population might be out there too . ( bloody unseasonallly warm SST's ) .... !

my issue aint my back stopping me , it's lack of available time to surf or keep fit . funnily enough since the accident I've probably mentally pushed myself harder . ( after all you have to be even more committed , when you know your lacking in fitness )
If anything surfing helps my back . but i need to make money while i still can . and unfortunately when your'e your own boss the buck stops with you , and even though you should be driving your work the reality is it always ends up driving you .

back to topic .

Brut ,
your approach sounds good , but I'm sure especially back in our neck that people have been hiding in the " woods " and taking pictures for these walls . and whilst there is no written law on drop in I'm sure if people had footage of it , and injuries followed . that people like Whaaat could plead a good case to a judge on behalf the defendant . in that respect we are following the good 'ole U S of A down the litigious path .

a novel approach that was used on the Vic east coast back in the day , was drive down the track and have two guys walk behind ya car pre dawn with chainsaws and fell trees ( plural xxxxx) onto the track . Surf then deal with on the way out .
plus bonus fire wood for the next week . environmental impact negativity probably put a nail in that . but it was probably reserved for when the best day of the year fell on a Saturday .

WA & more so SA wouldn't have this luxury due to lack of solid trees to start with .

hel , l i here down Apollo Bay way the fell Power poles just to keep the Tourists out ......

so maybe take out the Bridge at Pt Augusta Lads ...

END THREAD ...

Best of luck with that theory of courts getting involved and trying to prove drop ins Southey. Fuck good luck surfing Winki! Its a shame the world has come to a point where oxygen wasters can even consider that option. Courts have much more important issues than piss ants running to courts whining that the boys arent playing fair, especially when its almost certain that it was that individuals actions that brought that to them in the first place. Word is they had a few of em already and were not sucessful.

Ha Southey I understand you argument and tend to agree to a degree, but.....Whaat pleading a good case........? now that is funny!

"Never know when you may come across a mentally deficient piss weak individual with a narcissistic personality disorder who you have not threatened physically in any way but could decide to go and tell nasty lies because they cannot face that their self obsessed actions are offending a lot of people. "

....but surely not on Swellnet. I find everyone here positively uplifting.

Guys, the non-violent approach is the one which will work,don't worry about having to drop in all ya lives,.......

the dropping in scenario will resonate thru the surf world,and by standing together,you will see the whole commercial exposure thing slow down to a trickle....

problem of course is the minority locals who do not respect the majority rule who for whatever reason see it as their own individual rightto expose and have their 5 minutes of fame....or that they are sponsored with a few wetties and T-shirts...sold their souls for a few trinkets.......that is and should be a local problem.....

no-one has to get hurt because if you calmly tell the crew on the beach that they will struggle getting a wave to themselves....a judge would not be able to discern who has the right of way .....

uplift,as ya can tell,I do not like shit being made up about me just to try and diminish any credibility that I try and bring to the forums....no macho shit,just setting the rcord straight and try and bring first hand experiences and lessons to todays debate on her,what and who are surfers....

Jetskis are an intergral part of Big Wave riding......the 4 strokes are emmission free,all big wave paddle guys tow,and when they paddle they also use a ski....for me its a bit different,I actually use Tow design as my R&D vehicle to test fins,flex,bottom shapes ,outlines etc...to get a 5 10 to carve and work at 2 x the speed of normal bds and bring the results back to s/bds.....

riding a 5 10 x 17 x 1 1/2" in waves that allow barrels big carves at high speed is a new frontier....which will eventually benefit all!!

"the 4 strokes are emmission free"

Not sure what you mean here brutus. If you are burning a carbon based fuel you have to produce carbon dioxide. An efficient engine may reduce all the other hydrocarbons to carbon dioxide but that is still an emission. You might not be stinking up the surf zone but you are adding to your carbon footprint.

hardly emission free but have come a long way in recent years and a hell of a lot cleaner than the old twostrokers.

interesting quick read by university of Vermont on ski's, I googled jet ski emmisions

Not sure where these rules have come from but nobody owns the ocean..or..the cliffs..or the beach..If Iwant to take pics and send them in to swellnet or world wide waves or wherever I have that right.Exposure is just a made up paranoid hippy surf term for selfish bastards who think they own these spots..nobody lives at the island..las time I checke...or blax...or any of these spots..Infact most of the dickheads would never have found out about these places if it wasn't for exposure..so what right to people have to whinge?

Nice try Southy.

So, Brutus you were just thinking up ways to save the environment, and Jetskis popped into your head. Interesting. Not.

Personally, for me, its your choice, but the save the environment dribble is crap.

Just after the shark attacks, hardly anyone would surf, and I was surfing blacks, no one was there, it was glassy, grey, 4 - 5 foot with some sets. Before I went out, I rang Jeff, because I knew Koby Abberton was there with him, and it would be a good chance for them to surf without crap or hassles. Plus, I love watching good surfing. A couple of hours later they rolled up, but on skis. They were polite, came up to me in the water, asked if I minded, up to me. I didn't as long as they didn't effect my surf, and we had a good surf. I would have rather seen them paddle it to watch. Later, as I was leaving the whole town rolled up, and everyone went out with them, and enjoyed themselves. (By the way, Jeff was huddled home, and even the Abberton's couldn't wait to get back and give him shit). For me, its more to do with how the people act.

Brutus, if you were worried about your credibility over here, all you had to do was overcome the urge to speed off to the huge, life and death waves up the coast. As I said, its a common scenario, the old:

'Looks kinda small eh! Don't 'old nuthin' big eh! I like the big grunty shit meself, might head up to a real heavy spot I know, then over to mackin' bells eh!

Actually you do have some cred here. Cockies love ingenuity and mechanical things, and never miss a beat. Legend has it that the time it took you to get from the car park to the highway has never been beaten (well, 'wordy's' come close), and they were dumbfounded that anyone could get such amazing performance out of that little, tricked up cortina/trappin' and a shootin' rig. You just wound that little fucker out, and blasted out of there in record time.

All you had to do was hang around and surf, to get the cred, end of story.

If your cred on here bothers you, God help you.

'Yeh, just after a business loan.'

'No worries, got any 'cred'?'

Uuuuuhhhh, mmmmmmm, uuuuuhhh,mmmmm, well actually....eeeerrrrr, hey, ever read swellnet?!!

Ooohh drat. I see. Errrr, ey da ya know blindy? Aaah, no good eh, shiiit!

What about ... ... ...U...Uuu ... Uuuuupp ... Uplift?

'Oh my goodness, why didn't you say so earlier, Mr Brutus, please, please, paleeezzz, Mr Brutus, step this way! How much do you want?'

Southy, accident, injury, its all the same. Choice. And surfing is a poor back strengthening, conditioning, rehab tool. Tons of surfers have fucked backs.

Try that breathing exercise I suggested again uplift. This time when you get to STOP, really stop. It will solve all your problems. Alternatively find something new, interesting if possible, to say. Do I know brutus? Not really, though I did rent a room in his place at Torquay for a couple of months way back in the deep dark past, but I could walk past him on the street now, and as I was a pretty different person then, I assume he has also changed.
Actually I probably agree with you about skis but I disapprove of your insulting personal comments about brutus. You constantly undermine the valid points you make with childish crap. As I have said before James Joyce would admire your ability to write stream of consciousness. It's a pity the consciousness revealed is so often functioning at such an immature level.

Uplift ,

I've discussed this a fair few times with my Physio . He's a spinal and sporting expert . And i know paddling isn't the best for backs , but in my case it is . But more so , your core gets a workout from just sitting on ya board in the lineup . Infact i reckon that surfers on a whole gather their general core strength from simply balancing and correcting their balance on their board . The more time in the water the more people do it without even thinking .
As an example take a highly fit athlete who has never surfed out on a board and watch em struggle to sit idle . ( i know beginers tend to ride bigger boards with higher volume that displaces them out of the water more and creating a higher centre of gravity . That makes it harder than a young pro sitting , half submerged to their arm pits on a twizzle stick ) but the same goes for large rhino chasing boards .

Anyway this is all off topic . in my case its good for me .

@ redneck ... fuck Winki . they can have it ( also , i honestly believe there will be a day , when surfing [ led by americans makes it into the courts ] especially with all this POV footage . someone could honestly say that like someone pulling out into traffic on a busy road that the Drop in'ee would mainly responsible for endangering the recipient ) . TWT

Honestly uplift your a tool mate..if i could be bothered looking back through all your essays..or should i say 'posts' there is evidence where you hung shit on tomm carroll.. you are not the king at blacks..no-one is..and blax is halfa wave compared to gnarloo..but younever venture out your backyard..what is that 2hours away?as i learnt at school..theory is boring..less talk more action..or do the guns need more cuddling?

Blindy, ok dad... no worries (old fart)! And I'll turn the music down too.

Southy, classic, 'expert' bungle. Confusing strength/fitness with skill/balance. Little kids can learn that shit in no time. Not because of a massive increase in core fitness and strength, but because they learn very quickly. If that's the case, you should be to transfer the incredible power and fitness you claim is needed to sit on a mal, and transfer it to a skill less activity, like just supporting an extremely heavy load with your incredibly fit/powerful/ mal conditioned core. Just have an ambulance on standby. Where do you want us to sprinkle the ashes?

http://www.seabreeze.com.au/img/photos/stand_up_paddle/7044588.jpg

http://chubstr.com/2011/features/jimbo-pellegrine-proves-that-fat-guys-c...

All your theory is crap uplift..you can have all the muscle you want in surfing..and many other sports..e.g football,tennis,cricket but without skill or natural ability you are always on the backfoot..stop trying to convert everyone and just get out and do it..you never know..YOU might just learn something!

Aaah uplift the übermensch. See ya in another life ya dickhead!

Look, you're not fooling anyone, I know that wc and blindy are really the same person.

Hey Southey is that Southey Melbourne or Southey Geelong?

lets not be finite ...

Its' actually Southern Australia . Coast to Coast . Anywhere from Bermagui to Freo .

and its an Alias thats graced Pub Pool table chalk boards end to end , and then Nth on the western side when the times right . Well before AIM's , tags and call signs grew on the WWW.

So if ya lost a game of Pool to me . sincere apologies and better luck next time .

Downlift @ ( yes the negative side , you take turns don't you ) .

you my friend have probably had too many Peptides ...
skill/ balance is muscle memory . activating your core without actually thinking about it is the key to Proper strength ... NOT dead lifts ya tosser . a mate over west was a full on Gym junky that played WAFL .
he had ten kilo's on me , and i would kill him on a wheel barrow / day in day out ... all puff , no substance

@ uplift..we are not the same person..I am not smux..I am me ..I have known crew @ Blx for 20yrs..I have Known she works herself out..I do also recall(luckily) you ragged TC..but I will not waste weeks scrolling back through your diatribe trying to confirm it.I can confirm training does improve self confidence...the more training ...the more self confidence.It seems you have been training a lot;) well done.
It is nice to know people care about 'trying to protect'the environment..BUT the west coast is approx. 550km's long..if your a local at all of them well fuck me!!
so get over this ownership bullshit..I have seen waves as good as a certain type of rock break for a week with no-ne on it!!

Southy, southy, southy, remember that ludicrational Bruce Lee debacle.

Southy, that is fuck'n hilarious. A classic site yarn.

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uplift,so ya think save the enviroment is dribble........that says a lot about you as a person.....so its fuck the enviroment from uplift,so what are ya worried about jetskis for?

when ya surfed,did ya go by car...as a jetski is just another tool to get you to the waves and when used as just that,and don't go near paddlers........

I find it interesting to come on these forums to discuss /debate and check out whats happening in surfing today...and there are certain credible people here that are enjoyable to read,and sometimes we even get to pass on past experiences to others,which our opinions of today are based on...

so you are not one of these as ya seem to have the BS disease and making up whatever suits ya to enhance your opinion...eg..came over to west coast with WL and Keith in dark green range rover......not an ounce of truth in what ya say...so anything else ya say is colored with BS......

then ya say "people act according to their enviroment"...well your fuck the enviroment attitude sure is a credible one.......so fuck everybody except you......yewwwwwwww

Brutus. The car has long been publicised in the many Wayne Lynch articles. Its ridiculously comical to me, your ludicrous dribble explaining your self admitted (lightning)bolting from there.

The dribble is trying to make up stories of how jet skis are environmentally sound, because you admittedly pioneered their use to make a living, making surfboards. As anyone who knows me knows, one reason that I loved being there for so long was that I hardly had to drive, let alone use more fuel towing trailers around with jet skis on them.

Dribble is trying to dribble about why you made films, despite using waves in surf breaks to publicise making surfboards, to make a living. Just like lots of people you hammer are trying to do. Just people trying to find a way to have a good life, through surfing. Maybe they will make some fuck ups, you should understand that.

When talking about blacks, or most of the west coast, you have literally minimal experience/credibility. Or be like the masses of people that always want to lay some claim to it. Its a funny part of surfing. The old,

'When I was there... 'wordy' reckons it was day of the year, best swell ever'.

This exercise stuff is classic surfing blabberish.. A really good friend of mine helped Tom Carroll keep surfing, as he did other elite, world famous athletes. He did so by doing what the zillion 'sports experts' said was useless, what they actually have no idea about, to this day. I won't say a lot because he is dead now. He literally died in misery, because rather than be stoked at his amasing methods and results, which ran/run counter to popular, expert opinion, 'experts' were just threatened. He caused himself great angst, by taking the shit on board. I am thankfull that I am not like that, I have no problem fucking 'expert' dribblers off.

Everyday I hear that 'expert' hilarious shit. Dr Ludicity Ridiculouscity said I can't squat ever again. No worries we'll just splint and tape you to that chair, because that mean's you cant get out of it ever again. Have fun.

Deadlifts are fucked, but wheel barrow lifting is awesome! Ooops.... I mean...

Dr Expertosis Ridiculosis said I cant lift weights because lifting weights is really dangerous. Awesome, thanks, leave your laptop and brief case here, they actually weigh something, and I'll run em down to Happy Cash. Wouldn't wanna be much better at lifting weight would ya, as you do it relentlessly your whole life. That's not 'expertly' functional. What's he recommend? Ok we'll do something really functional then, like making you stand on one leg on a bosu ball, balanced on a fitball, taped to a mal, in an onshore, with your eyes closed, stretching a rubber band, whilst... that should do the trick. Genius.

Yeh but muscles will make me slow. Gee that's funny, all the fastest people ever have heaps more muscle than you, and work really hard to build them. One of the fastest ever got rubbed out for life for using drugs to try and build more muscle. Or maybe he must have really wanted to be slower.

amasing ,why not carry on and share with the world the amasing tecniques your dear friend discovered, especially if it helped a world champ keep surfing, Thomas victor carroll or nick can you confirm any of this. uplift does reevso still live over your way does he tow or paddle ?

this is from Kieron on another thread...

---I can't speak for the other places the BWWT is held, but the Chilean surf community there were awesome. To a man (and woman) they are incredibly proud (yet humble) about their hometown heroes (Ramon et al) and their break and seemed more than happy give up the day so that they could showcase these guys and such an amazing place to the world.---

Bravo, I salute. Isn't that a great attitude compared to all the angst on this thread ?

Goodbye. I'm gone again.

Lets give it 5 years see if their attitudes change if it gets over populated, over run , over publicised as seems to happen
in this era of overhyped surf mania.

uplifted....should be past tense when it comes to surfing.....

hilarious how ya know no details and to call WL all those names,and that he was scared of blacks and ran away to caves.....now thats what I call some serious BS and anyone who knew WL in those days would know there wasn't much that scared him....in fact thats what we were doing over there looking for this huge hollow left,talk about disappointed,was a 6' short left.ahhh

anyhow uplifted you wouldn't understand about pioneering surf spots,surfboard design....... .and as can be seen here...pass on a few life experiences that are still relevent today in analysing possible consequences of exposure......

years ago in Fiji,hooked up with Laird and he was devastated what jaws had become...originally the Jaws guys thought they would be able to control and teach people to become real watermen......the exact opposite happened.... BBG XXL put a bounty out for the biggest wave and .....the rest is history....kooks from everywhere started towing....and thats one of the reasons why so many guys paddle...no kooks.....

uplifted, from ya post about all this weightlifting stuff and not being a surfer anymore.....ya sure those roids aren't playing with ya mind??

Brutus, its become crystal clear. You were the designated driver. The car was and is your specialty. I have no doubt you know every mm of the offending vehicle backwards. And I'll bet you did an awesome job polishing, servicing and tuning it. And reading and keeping the maps in order. Making sure everything was ready for your famous get away that you prayed for.

'Did I hear head up the coast boys? Quick, get in, I just happen to have everything packed and ready for yas!Plus I just happen to know the quickest way out of here!'

'Fuck!!! Hang on brutso, we're still thinking about it, waaaaiiittt, we're not even properly in the thing yet... faaaarkkk, slow down you'll fuckn kill us all!!!!'

Your strategy is one often tried in surfing, almost unique to it, and often with disastrous results. Hiding behind your mates. As I said, this is you, and me. I am not interested in what your mates did/do. I've dealt with many squawk ups, cockily peering out between the 'boys' legs, then only to find the boys aren't keen, and it, the squawkup, becomes a very lonely, very dark, very isolated, very frightening place. Ending in the frantic squawkdown.

Now you've called in Laird as well. As I said, this is about you, not what your mates did. I can just picture the scene around the fire, 'up the coast'.

'Jeezzz, a bit quiet brutso, did ya get any?'

'Bloody wound err out to 160 clicks... on the bends too! Wordy seen me eh!'

Board wise, maybe you shoulda tried reverse, reverse, triple v, feeding out of a quadruple convex, and chucked a few more fins on while you were at it, maybe 8 would do the trick. Lets face it, on the roof its not really gonna matter. Would look speccy though. Actually that's not true, I'm sure the boys really appreciated your aerodynamic 'design' work as you sped down the highway at death defying, (and I might add legendary around here) speeds.

Once again, the steroid thing rears its ugly head. Its something that I've learned to live with, struggle through life with, people constantly assuming that I must be using some sort of cocktail of amasing, miraculous body and muscle building, looks and performance enhancing drugs. In, my humble defense, I admit, am incredibly genetically gifted, but have also done incomprehensible work in achieving this spectacular state.

Udes, Reevso. I vaguely recall some name like that? I'll ask around if you like. 'Wordy' might know him. Why don't you just call him, if his 'antics' concern you so much.

I joined this forum just so I could write the following sentence.
Brutus and Uplift, you are fuckheads.
That's all.

squidsy,you genius,love your deep thoughts and opinions....but in a sense you are right ,2 ol feral fossils insulting each other...

the difference between uplifted and I is ,I actually still surf ,active in enviromental issues,actually create and innovate in S/bd design,help out kids...ahhh...pretty active for an ol fossil,and I don't have to make up shit like uplift...who seems to have suffered from an OD of roids and has become delusional and who's memeory is no more......

thats it over and out for me!!!

Fact: A local surfer gave the "local" footage and the name of the surf spot to Channel 7 and got paid for it - the visiting surfers did not
Fact: Local surfers actually came in to the beach to watch KS and the story goes they were "stoked"...no hassling for waves going on at all
Fact: Pro surfers, surfers, cameras....wake up call! OMG they have been coming here forever...get over it people
Fact: Having lived and WORKED(UNDERLINED)here all my life I like most locals don't have an agenda against anyone that comes here to experience our amazing coastline / part of the world as long as they are respectful of the environment and our communities
Fact: Our coastline is fragile yes - but our coastline is not pristine or untouched. To protect our environment EVERYONE who visits must respect communities they are entering. For visitors travelling along the coastline or anywhere for that matter adhere to the Council and DENWR authorised roads and coastal tracks and take all rubbish with you when leaving. From my experience most surfers are on the whole are the MOST respectful. Rednecks doing burnouts on motorbikes and dune buggies and other uneducated visitors not so. Anyone can cause damage to the coastline / environment. not only visiting surfers. To use the argument that only visiting surfers cause environmental damage (directly or indirectly because of their presence) is just not rational - Mmmmm sounds like an agenda to me. Environmental awareness and measures to protect our coastline is a long term commitment. Many "goals have been kicked" for decades by dedicated people, orgs and groups working for the greater good (me included)...nice to see the surfing association finally getting on board even if it is very timely for their agenda. "Many hands make light work".No-one is against putting in the "hard yards" for our environment. We do have excellent district management and other environmental plans with "real actions" in place...see you all at the next tree planting session hey?
Fact: A lot of local surfers and community people who met KS were impressed with his humbleness, consideration and his respect for the local surfers, community and our environment
Fact: Talk of unlawful acts should not be minuted or endorsed by any community association..not giving your association a whole lot of cred...you think?
Fact: It is highly questionable for a community association to veto(at a Committee level) anyone in the community from joining...is a voice of dissent or reason allowed to join?
Fact: Most young surfers have embraced the technological world and all that comes with it including the internet...and guess what they don't give a shit about localism...they just want to go where the surf is...anywhere in the world...anytime
Fact: Localism is ugly and supported by a minority this is the real FACT...most in our communities up and down this coast loved having KS here...we welcome all visitors who respect us and the place we live in...regardless of who they are!

Hey Uplift,word on the street coming from long term West Coast locals is you definately were the man in the water. The man constantly going over the falls and that was about it!

Brutus is admitting past errors and has learnt that actions can have a very different impact in todays surfing world compared to 20 years ago.
History repeats and people are blind to it,or just not interested because it doesnt sit with their agenda.

I think its great the West Coast locals are pushing back before 1 or 2 halfwits fuck the whole show for the rest that also use it.

I think travelling surfers AND surf media should respect how surf communities feel in regard to the way their area is managed.
Leaving the camera in the bag or whatever it is.

If you do not have respect for local culture /viewpoints how can you then expect them to show you any?

Wow! Is there yet hope for humanity?

Redneck, what was the make, year and model of the car I was driving at the time?

@the-facts, this is the internet mate, no one wants the FACTS, we can't handle the facts, especially upskirt "the legends legend"

Fact: The Facts is Fredo.

nice facts ,facts...yeah K is great to surf with,depending on the size of the entourage following him.

he surfs over here every easter,and usuallly tows with us....just surfing,he signs and talks to the kids in the local community....and nary a worg gets out that he's actually surfing...

Facts...not all localism is ugly and a minority is not always the case...there are many surfing communities in the world now that have clear rules in regards to filming etc.....

Hawaii/Mexico/Nth Cal/parts of aust.......

squidsy, 'The Facts' is not Fredo.

Ok then :)

enough now boys check out the beach instead

"In, my humble defense, I admit, am incredibly genetically gifted, but have also done incomprehensible work in achieving this spectacular state." Those genes obviously didn't benefit your brain (nor did the incomprehensible work you undertook to get to the spectacular state you're in...)

Nebsy, the classic, funniest thing is, where would you be right now, without my words that have given you this moment of deep meaning, this chance to finally rise up, and feel alive!

Fair enough uplift, I chuckled reading your response. I think I'm gonna join zenagain in just being quiet and listen to other people arguing. One question for Brutus though: any news on the development of tourist repellant at bells? Had to park all the way up south last weekend!

Good on you nebasha, I live in an area where a two hour drive to surf, well actually anything, is commonplace. 2 hours of hard core sledge mania. Life and death sledging. Those DC Purple volleys, immortalised by the surf media, are the norm, its a part of every surf. I've actually toned it down for this site, and its still like taking candy from a baby.

Surfing is hilarious, every little miniscule of image means so much. Imagine flogging one of the top 'champs' boardies and making them wear footy shorts. Which one's the leg rope? Call 911.

' The great Dennis Lillee had an ongoing sledge that he used with batsmen, “I know why you’re batting so badly. You’ve got some s**t on the end of your bat.” As the batsmen would investigate his bat, Lillee would suggest, “Wrong end mate.”'

'While on tour of the Caribbean, Merv Hughes kept staring down Viv Richards after each delivery. In the end, Viv snapped. “This is my island, my culture. Don’t you be staring at me. In my culture we just bowl,” Viv said. Merv let it go until he sent Richards on his way, “In my culture we just say —- off.”'

Oh Uplift, you loveable old rogue.

In my culture, those guys are actually funny.

Zenny, the hilarious thing is, you say you will ignore me, you say you won't answer, yet here you are again, savoring, hanging on to, moved to life, by my every word.

Good to see that you payed attention and got rid of that ludicrous avatar. Crouched in a terrified foetal position, yet trying to look all Zen/core/surfee like, at the base of a feeble one foot dribbler? The new one suits you better, which one is you?

Wow that took a lot of reading, my eyes have gone square now, bloody lap tops.
I think a good topic like this, is an amazing thing for people to voice their opinion, that is why these online chat things have been invented, but I don't think people have to be nasty and have big ego's. Negativity does not go far at all, really its a waste of time.
Writing emails are such an emotionless way in getting your own point out there.

I think a lot of posts here have positives and negatives on their side.
Localism with surfing will always be around but no-one has to biff anyone, just a good old slap around the ear drum and then drown them. Coroners report ( drowned from perforated ear drum ). No really, serious now.

I remember a time 25 years ago surfing Wairoa river bar North Island NZ, absolutely pumping 6 ft 150m barrels and 2 people out. I was stoked, got out the back waited for the other 2 to get their waves then managed to get a bomb, got so shacked right past the other 2 who were paddling back out. I couldn't believe the waves, when I got out the back again one guy came straight up to me and said that I better get out of the water otherwise your HK holden up on the bank won't be an HK holden any more. I was pretty young and laughed under my breath trying to avoid confrontation. The guy caught a wave and was gone for an hour or two, I ended up getting so many tubes in that time, I was exhausted and paddled in. Only to find 4 mongrel mob members (NZ gang) and himself beating the old HK with base ball bats. One of the members had a sworn off shot gun, only being 18, I was petrified and quickly left with my tail between my legs, flat out as fast as my HK could go.
Oh well the memory of great waves and a trip to the wreckers fixed everything.
The thing is, a year later I surfed the same place with a local I had befriended thru snowbrding, and the same guy was out there and knew the guy I was with. The guy ended up giving me ounce of weed for all the damages he had done and we ended up having some beers at the pub. Funny as fuck how life changes directions.
I say its not what you know but the people you know, sometimes helps.

I just hope everyone has respect with each other and the environment when surfing other places, its not that hard and who knows you might befriend one of the locals and then your in.

Peace and slay those waves.

Sorry Uppity, just got back from a surf. It was only waist high and I darn near shit myself, but it was fun and good to test my limits.

How was your surf today?

Anyway, I never said I'd ignore you, Nebasha said that. God bless him, good bloke that he is.

How could I ever ignore you big guy?

And I'm glad you like my new avatar. I thought it might be more visually appealing to you. For the record, I'm the one that took the photo.

Those little minxes would love a big strapping fellow like you. I don't think there'd be a dry incontinence pad left after you regaled them with your witty anecdotes about how you maintained the shiniest toilet block on the north coast. Or how you and Richie Benaud share the same hairdresser. Or that you once were the stand-in captain for your second division, third grade, sub-districts U-10's basketball team. Go the mighty Bilby's!

Those elastic pants would be positively brimming as you enthralled them with how you charged Blacks switchfoot wearing nothing but a tuna-oil soaked pair of speedos 2 sizes too small. It's a shame those kind locals never had the heart to tell you that you had them on backwards.

Also, I love the fact that you persist in spelling 'amazing' with an 's'. I'll go out on a limb here and surmise that you speak with a slight lisp? No doubt as a result of the merciless bullying you received as a child? You can sleep with the light off now you silly sausage, aint nothing hiding in the closet except you. It's admirable that you threw away a career at the AIS to forego all those elite Australian athletes so obviously desperately in need of your services after our piss-poor showing in the last Olympics. I don't think the PL fisho's wives could ever thank you enough- wink wink.

Finally, thank god you didn't take that Mayoral role in that sprawling megalopolis (scuse the Greek) of 423. how could we allow them to selfishly have you all to themselves? The world is more interesting with you in it Clarice.

You have a great day now sunshine.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahawwwwwwhahahahahawwwahaha

Ahhh....Hahaha

Well, zenny, thats a start. Sadly, its an absolute shocker, an embarrassment actually, but its a start. I can help you, but I doubt you can afford me. I truly hope that for your sake, your surfing is better than that ludicrous attempt at sledging. I can help there too. But it would probably kill you.

Awwww come on Upskirt, please give it a crack, cause from where I am sitting you just got SLEDGED.

@zenagain..that is the most truest di-section of a personality I have ever heard..And all uplift had to say was..wait for it...nothing! The only thing uplift actually lifts is is massive head off his pillow everyday..pity there's nothing in it! This dude is nothing at Blacks and yet he talks himself up like he can handle the 10fters? what a retard..classic case of self-over-inflated ego. Stick to using those squid tubes mate. Its the only lovin' your gonna get!

enough now boys change the topic or meet face to face

enough now boys change the topic or meet face to face

Hear, hear.

zen - you da man,you win the sledger title......poor ol uplifted ... now he wants to change the topic.....

I've been holding off commenting at all on this thread, didn't want to see it constantly bumped to the top of the news-feed. Thought better of it now that the thread has digressed into petty, quite embarrassing, libel.

I went to the association meeting in Ceduna about a month back, clipped going to the one held Wednesday just gone. The name of the association was voted on, deciding the name 'Western Eyre Peninsula Surfriders Association' or WEPSA to be adopted. Incorporation is the next step.

The meeting I did attend I was struck with the fact that enough people support it that no matter what, an association 'representing' the surfing community on the west coast will be formed. We went around the group (around 25 crew, not all surfers) and everyone had a chance to have their say on the state of affairs as well as their vision for a solution. Most everyone said that recent exposure (this relates to Slater as well as numerous pieces in boogie boarding mags) has caused an increase in travelling and professional surfers/photographers on the coast. This, in turn, is perceived to be accompanied with environmental degradation and illegal camping/fishing.

There are numerous places on this coast that do not have a resident population of beach goers. At some of these places there has been a notable increase of illegal camping since even six months ago. Shit paper all over the place, fire pits dug randomly, bushes ripped out for firewood, haphazard beach access tracks and 4WD tracks all over the dunes are some of the recorded impacts of unsupervised camping. As the above article suggests, in the past a carload or two of heavies would go out and that would be that, the campers would never camp there again. As is stated above, society has changed and 'biff' is not seen as an option by the majority.

I will meander at this point into a bit of an attack on "Stunet".

Your article, as was brought up previously, does indeed contain falsities and sensationalism. Not once was the idea floated by anyone to create a violent group of enforcers to "bring the biff back", quite the opposite in fact. Focus of the meeting was primarily on mitigating damage to the environment from illegal camping. There was also talk about the safety of travelling surfers, perhaps not acclimatized to heavy waves in very remote locations for f**k's sake! The idea of putting signage around the coast like "no camping, take rubbish with you, pets on leads, etc" got heaps of support. So I ask you, why create the heading title of "Bringing back the biff on SA's desert coast" other than to sensationalize?!? Very, very poor show in my opinion.

Yes, there is a large group of mostly surfers who are looking into addressing problems with the increase in travelling surfers here. Have you discovered anything about their intentions? Have you discovered what specifically is the target objective of the association? And have you contacted anyone involved in the association? ... So where's the accuracy in this piece?

Saying that, a very sloppy gist is presented and mostly it (though presumed) is accurate.

Now, what could be said as one of the first actions of WEPSA follows.

A tip-off came that numerous groups of boogies were camping at a remote beach. The land allotment was checked, turning out to be un-allocated crown land as well as a conservation reserve. Around eight of us went up and confronted the campers, letting them know they were camping illegally. We talked to each group (there were a few) telling them where they could camp close by as well as showing them the beach access and explaining the situation (e.i. community angst at the degradation of the dunes). Photo's were taken of the camps, vehicle number plates and any environmental degradation evident. At no point did the conversation turn to "you shouldn't come here" or "don't film here", it was a humble approach and two of them actually thanked us saying we were doing the right thing. We surfed together and most of the camps were gone when we got out. This action not only halted bushes getting ripped out for firewood (yeah, 'tards eh?) it gave a local business revenue as the boogs paid for camping for the next week.

I'm still in two minds whether to lend a hand to the association. I can provide undergrad environmental management plans, conduct replicable wildlife and vegetation surveys and get hands on with re-vegetation efforts, which are all valuable things for WEPSA's objective. Yet, after talking to the old guys, i'm not sure WEPSA is a good idea at all. One told me, "The whole time we never engaged with the c*nts. They'd do a story on Moose, poking for a reaction but we just didn't talk to them. If they tried to come here and ask us or film us they'd be fucked off, quick smart".

Now leaving WEPSA aside, I don't want more crew here. I'm a f**ken blow-in and feel protective of the coast! You've got these mutts coming over, getting footage, not giving anything to the community and creating hype which in turn leads to more crew in the water, more angry people and more crew searching through pretty fragile environments.

It is a complex issue and one that is probably felt at heart with anyone who's seen a wave go from you and a few others to 20 crew every time it breaks. Anyone who's noticed the tracks of some arse wipe who's decided to get phone reception or a good photo from the top of a dune or anyone who laments at the sh*t c*nt, hollow and husk-less surfing industry.

Rant over,

Zeph

32 thousand words and counting...

That makes it a novella right now...

Only another 8000 words and you'll have a novel length comments thread on your hands Stu. That's just another few back and forth's between uplift, southey, brutus and zen... if tyler was having at it this woulda got there long ago.

Surfing is a lot of fun. We that surf have enough free time, money and suitable natural environments to indulge it. We are quite lucky. Human's tend to be human's i.e. deeply flawed - selfish and stupid. These people degrade any experience. They will not disappear. Many rise above these attributes and can add to the experience. Numbers of these types of humans will hopefully increase, but likely not. Surfing remains amazing despite this and despite the size, quality or count of the waves you choose to surf, what you choose to surf them on and how well you surf them. Needless to say, I don't surf very well. If you do, you are lucky to be able to enjoy a greater performance dimension of surfing. Cherish this. The waves aren't going anywhere. Surfing is what you choose to make it. Anything is. Hippy attitude? Maybe, but fuck, there are more important things to worry about that bitching about something we are absolutely blessed to be able to do in the first place.

But carry on... whinging, blaming and alpha posturing are not only sport in this cosy country, they're basic human needs.

Nice account zeph..but how did you find out about the west coast in the first place? and now you are a 'local' there? without exploitation you would never have surfed the beautiful waves of the west coast..Yet the island you are from have cried out about tourism for decades..and once it arrives you 'greenies' decide it isn't warranted.
Very hard for a unified group to police a massive amount of coastline.
Cactus is well organized and looked after but you can't have a group of Lincoln blow-ins trying to have a say about what happens at Streaky,elliston,sceales,venus...fuckn selfish if you ask me..but surfing is a selfish sport all round. Seems like this is akin to Americans having a say about Hawaii is run..don't you townies think??

sorry to disappoint GRUG . but I ran out of words a long time ago .

@wcgland . sometimes you can't see the forest from the Trees . !

Well what do you reckon. A couple of guys that have had a few surfs here plan an article in a way that they calculate will get a certain response. So now they have it, in spades. And a shitload of guys that have had a few surfs here offer expert opinion. I surfed, worked and lived there every day for years and I don't know any of you, don't remember seeing any of you. Never heard a squeak, or had a problem from any of you. That means taking visitors from all over the place surfing, helping them out of jams, feeding them, lending them money, giving them a place to sleep, teaching young local country kids to surf, being invited to visitors homes, whatever. Like lots of the people that live there. There always has been a divide amongst the people that live there regarding treatment of tourists/visitors, just like now. My take is that it just depends on the person's attitude how I treat them. And just like here that isn't always popular with everyone there as well.

As for the brutus shit, wake up, I've had more waves in a day than he's had in his life here, experienced things over here that he can only dream of. So as far as I am concerned he made his choice around here, not to surf. Wear it, and stop mouthing off about something you have literally zero experience in. Or to me, just a bag of bullshit on spindles. But that's the internet for you. I never have any of this crap in the water. The internet, and the new wave of surfing, nostrils flared, snorting up a storm, the white squall. Big fucking deal, blow your noses and what's left.

If this article was meant to be serious, it would have been presented seriously. There will be a lot of squawking, I might go surfing tomorrow, where ever I like, whatever time I feel like, and it will be nice and quiet.

Zeph,well spoken,and reported , brings a sensationalised headline ,back to the reality of what the start of commercial exploitation can do to a fragile enviroment.......without parameters.

you have to commend the west coast surfers for getting together and becoming part of a well thought out solution to ever increasing surf population in fragile eco-enviroments.......

Zeph there will always be a couple of ol crusty locals who have been around for along time,but I think its important that you contribute as its about mentoring and teaching the younger generations and establishing custodianship of your area,built out of respect and not "the Biff".....which just creates an us and them situation.....

Sounds like you have a lot contribute...don't let a minority that you disagree with stop ya...get in there and lead by example....

As for uplifted....you are stuck in some bygone era,where the roids have turned the ol gray matter to mush...

I think its hilarious that you think I have no experience in this debate,which shows your inbred opinion is based on soggy delusions from the past..your memory/stories of WL/Keith and myself coming over is a delusional account of somebody who seems to enjoy denigrating people so that makes up for his lack of self esteem.........really sad ol lftup........why so bitter??

hey Zeph, as there's been almost 300 comments you may have missed Stu's clarification for the use of 'Biff' in the title. Here it is again:

"...'Bringing back the biff' is a lighthearted pop culture reference made famous by a character Matt Johns played on the (rugby league) footy show. You hear it all the time in the eastern states and it doesn't have any sinister connotations. It wasn't till after I'd posted the article that I realised AFL states may not be aware of its use or context."

I admire your suggestions for local environmental projects. However the West Coast is a massive area and I think it'll be hard to make any significant progress without assistance from the local councils and/or state governments. You'd be surprised how much they may be willing to assist pro-active community groups, if you approach them in the right way with a logical, well thought out proposal (which you've obviously got the capability of doing, as per your uni background).

.....of course any contribution from the surf industry would be out of the question I mean poor old Greasy is down to his last $300 million.

thanks to greasy merchant for his millions of dollars of donations to skincancer research in Australia.

That was nice of him but hardly the point. Personally if I was involved I would be hitting Slater with a proposal for the environmental protection work. It could clarify things a little......are you prepared to support the local surfing community or will you be a lot less welcome next time?

I feel better that 95% of you don't live there and spend too much time on the waffle

We received the email below last week from an interstate traveler (to the West Coast) - this person wants to remain anonymous for fear of further reprisals, but asked us to put this up on the site. Here it is (with location names removed) and links to photos at the end:

"Hey mate, thought i would let you know concerning the article you put up about "SOUTH OZ".

So myself and two mates of mine went down for the week... we were warned prior the incident at xxxx by so called nice locals who said watch out theres a few boys starting up a bit of a clean up group to get rid of photographers and filmers (myself), the guy you should look out for is a big guy with blonde hair.

So this bloke told us to head to xxxx where the waves would be better got there by ourselves for no longer than 5minutes when a light blue/gray trashy old nissan patrol 4WD rocked up and the 'blondy' we were warned about got out walked straight towards me and said im going to smash that camera i quickly put it back in my bag as he was standing over me almost lining me up to hit me.

He was pumped with adrenaline his fists shacking, I backed off and said im leaving he was going nuts, we hid until the next day when we went to xxxx where i got threatened again by the guy that was warning us in the first place (the so called 'nice locals') they left and ended up waxing our car which i have photos of (see below).. after that incident we thought it was best if we just went home.

Just to sum that up i think from now on any camera man thinking of going down there are going to have a target on there heads, just want you if you could.. to let the public know if they are going to go down with a camera they most likely to get bashed and camera smashed."

Photo 1: http://swllnt.com/11Jn1pf
Photo 2: http://swllnt.com/ZW8c5i
Photo 3: http://swllnt.com/11rG07Q

so what section of eyre peninsula was this at ,far west, mid eyre or lower eyre peninsula.

Around the Mid Eyre Peninsula apparently.

Sounds like everything is back to normal then.
I recognise that carpark and had my windows waxed there nearly 20 years ago. Not for taking pictures mind you, just cause we got there real early in the morning before sun up and were out there before a few locals.
I'm pretty sure the guy that did it grew up surfing the same metro Adelaide beachie as me cause he said g'day when he paddled out. Probably wouldn't have done if he knew it was my car. I heard they feel your exhaust pipe and if its not warm they know you have been parked there a while. The message read "no campin dickheads"

Winning hearts & minds ?

No wonder turds get laid in their carparks .

What is a CAMARA anyway? What a bunch of brain dead fucking yokels.

go boys! I think the horse has already bolted though. That place could only ever handle 6 guys max and the days of scoring a small pack are dead because of camera c...s. like yourselves. keep your cameras in NSW or whatever packed out scrum of a place your coming from. I haven't seen enough photos of the southern NSW waves, with 'uncrowded perfection' on swellnet for ages. I think stu may be abusing his knowledge of the area and wouldn't dare expose other new or unfamiliar places like this. If you travel to SA east or west then you're going for the memories, not the images. whoever took Slater there should've made him surf y -steps and day street for a few years first. unless youre one of the new cashed up WA miners who have moved there (who have lost their margs region and pretty much the north west), respect the guys that live there and have no water, suffered through the mice plagues, no chicks, and kept the crowds sane and respectful up till now. of course the 5 generation clown and fredo, unless they are away enjoying the Maroubra hospitality or some fine NSW southern uncrowded perfection might disagree. the days of a little cruise along our beautiful SA coast is almost gone, these guys want to whore out the last vestiges of peace in this now f...d up overcrowded country

so is the story true that slater was taken to a lesser known surf break west of penong and filmed ? to find this wave and get it on with the right swell and conditions would require real local knowledge ?

No I think the word written in wax is "CAMASIA" that is Korean for "Bring your girlfriend instead"

@ Ben what did this pro photog expect?Surely he would have seen or heard about this issue on here..yet he decides to go shoot said area and then can't work out why he was targeted? by his own admission he goes and hides then goes to another spot to try and shoot footage?..not very smart really
And his pics say sasurfa on the link?
No offence but it is that kind of stupidity that just inflame an at the moment volatile situation. Just my thoughts..

@stunet..I think you need to find the facts properly out..as usual the truth gets in the way of a good story.
By the sounds of it what you just described and what he said in his email to Ben don't match-up.
Maybe there is more to it than one side?. Whether it is right or wrong? dunno.
sWhat are your reasons for doing trips over stu?
isolated uncrowded waves..get away from the rat race?
Same here
And now the argument about Kelly and co. will come up everytime..We all know that they were in awe of him, loved having him there, would they like him back?
West Coast paranoia has set in..tread very carefully for a while.
lookin forward to waves tomoz..yeew

Barley, those photos of the waxing were uploaded to my photobucket so that the public could view them, it's not his account nor my photos.

No worries boys just wondering why the sasurfer link was there.
Don't know if there are any. You stated a few that were different to the email in your post Stu.
I remember a person on here a long while ago, from Sydney, that said how he got a broken nose/jaw out the west. How he did nothing wrong etc..only to be rebutted by people who had another side of the story saying he was droppin' in,snaking, the usual stuff.
At the moment we have only seen one side.Are you sure its the truth?
that's all.

Ha ha ha ha, is that a hoax email fabricated by the locals or is it actually a boo hoo letter?
Either way it is pretty funny.
Not enough people get their cars waxed these days, and why the F*ck if you were just a kid with a camera would you be sitting their taking photos of the joint after you just got the word from the locals not to?

Keep the spots a secret as much as possible. It's a bit like fishing spots, you dont go around letting everyone know your good spots cause they wont stay good for long.

Reminds me of being a kid again and having to tip toe around certain people and places until you managed to earn your spot. Certainly never used to go and sook about being intimidated or having cars waxed or being dropped in on by 6 screaming people all at once. Earning your stripes is a good way to go I reckon rather then just have a free for all.

gee reecen , conspiracy theories and all ...
you and Barley would make interesting surf travel buddies .

as for the rest of it can't agree any more about the earning ya stripes , and old blokes "knocking " a little of the the enthusiasm out of young over excitable crew . Used to be a part of growing up , but like the lack of Grom abuse these days , things are supposedly moving forward ????

"Lost there margs region and the norwest"what a load of crap.if u carnt find uncrowded waves here than you are fucking blind.fuck you guys are a bunch of whining cunts.lived through mice plages, wow respect.think you own that part of Australia.what a joke.shows what real problems you people have in your life's if you've got time to drive around looking for people with cameras. and form little 'organisations' with ya mates so you can sit around and bitch.it's funny you guys think you can tell people in general what to do.no skis,no blow ins,no pictures,no lids,no Kelly,no cold exhaust pipes and so on.your threats of violence are laughable. "I'll smash your camera I'll do it I'll tell ya"real tough.i would like to see you enforce this with some of the people I know that vist "your area"you would be lucky to walk away with your body in working order. if you care about the environment so much instead of driving around looking for cameras and blowins,drive around and pick up rubbish or put bins in unofficial car parks.get your drug fucked unemployed mates and build a few toilets. It would make you feel good and not so bad about yourselfs,I'm coming through in a couple of weeks with my ski and swag I'll call in and say hi. I'll carnt wait to meet the "big blond guy" . You guys are fucking funny. Think you guys need to learn that you don't own shit and you may not want to go around telling people what to do as it may backfire.. 10 generations or not. This is a all Australia your not in another country it's all the same Cunts.

Forgot to write cunts in large font. CUNTS. That's better.

Kobes '

Is that you . I thought you were still busy on FB " battling " Hards !
hehe

No.

@ mtown
Was waiting for someone too say that, I reckon there is nothing wrong at all with that comment.
Funny as.

There's more where that came from bring on the replys."but my dad told me we own this bit of coast" Ive been on the dole here for a least 10 years" once I got so desperate I hadn't seen any chicks in yonks so I fucked the big blond guy"and so on. Reeessssppppeeeeecct. Cunts.

This thread proves surfing has become a fuckwits paradise. How about we just respect locals and the wishes they have for their breaks, my local in NZ has tourists from all four corners of the globe and if they dont behave they are usually told they are unwelcome and not to return. Nothing worse than fuckheads shitting in your hedge , dropping rubbish and trying to snake the lineup , theres nothing wrong with private photos without place names, nothing wrong with waxing cars , nothing wrong with telling some blow in with no respect to fuck off, nothing wrong with dropping in and fading a tourist no matter if they are from oz or timbuktu, nothing wrong with a punch in the head if its deserved. nothing wrong with having an opinion. Whats wrong is peoples inability to realise where ever they travel to they should be humble and fit in with the local surf culture and leave their own at home.

@hem-stret..."respect the guys that live there and have no water, suffered through the mice plagues, no chicks, and kept the crowds sane and respectful up till now"..so hem-stret are you using squid tubes too?!

if you lot have not lived there please don't assume what it is like to live there and stop the bullshit ! keep yourselves busy another way

So those fellas made a few mistakes, NSW plates, probably boogers (older forrester,no roof racks couple of guys)but if he put the camera away what is the problem. I'm all for respecting the locals, surf in shifts, don't crap in the carpark, dont denegrate the environment etc but for fuck sake why can't my missus take a couple of shots of me from the cliff without getting harrassed by an inbred fucking moron with nothing better to do. I never post pictures on line EVER, never will. I hate crowds as much as the next bloke, but if someone waxes my car when i'm over west, i'll hunt the prick down and slash his tyres.

mtown
You forgot to put c--ts in that larger font thing again???
salt, Im with you too on that one, its probably the big blonde guy again??

Smelly dog get fucked its not hard living anywhere in Australia. People ,ushely lazy fuckers whine about how hard shit is"i carnt get a job" theres no chicks"there's 10 people out".fuck off. Unless you are disabled in some major way then in aus you can pretty much achive what ever you want in life. Mabey go move to Syria or one of those great places then life will get hard. CUNTS.

Well thats true I believe" mtown,"
I lived in Ulladulla for 3 years, I got a job, I got heaps of roots and most importantly got some of my best waves ever.
For real, maybe instead of living in Syria, the moon is even worst apparently, no chicks, no mice, no jobs and to top it off no waves.

Good point the moon is it then.

I wonder if you'll walk the walk mtown, classic troll.