What a breath of Fresh Air to see such unique lines on a wave. Not a single 360 Air and I didn't miss them one bit.
Great music as well. Bring back the Funk and do away with the this current emo music trend.
I guess this video also proves you don't have to nurse twin fins through turns. Holy shit he was smashing it with complete control.
GowsaTuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 9:56am
Drop some funky Acid and drive your Kingswood to beach on Hot Vinyl seats with no Air Con and Apple Play.
And then after a hard day of surfing and Chiko rolls, come home and watch your 17 inch B&W TV.
Groovey Man !
juegasiempreTuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 11:01am
Ol' Zoolander releases another clip!
I really, really, really want to get a twinny but until I see someone surfing them well backhand, I'll stick with quads for small waves. If they can't surf them well backhand, what chance do I have? I like to go left as much as right.
memlasurfThursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 2:55pm
Not too many lefts on that coast.
McfaceTuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 11:11am
Captures the essence of the north coast brilliantly, making me keen for la nina weekenders. How's the spray he's chucking up on those turns? So much power for a short twinny.
andy-macTuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 11:52am
Great clip, enjoyed that!
scrotinaTuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 12:01pm
2:40 fark
udoTuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 12:33pm
Unreal...nice to see Asher on that longer board
Mcface...hang some twins off the back of that D.S.
Island BayTuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 2:50pm
Captain Fin Christenson Twins go very nicely on an 8'6 DS.
Was hoping you'd reply with that - i have one of those (6'10") and love it. Was thinking of trying it as a "twin pin". For messing around on small waves though at my age duck diving all that foam stuffs me up.
McfaceThursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 11:55am
My DS is fast enough with the quad setup anyway would probably go warp speed as a twin, will have to give it a try sometime.
Here's a new thing to learn, Asher. Is there anywhere that is still sacred? KEEP 4WDs OFF THE BEACH.
BlowinTuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 6:22pm
But 2WD go poorly in the sand!
memlasurfThursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 2:57pm
Motorbikes are fun with the right tyres.
Surfalot67Wednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 10:25am
Lol - fishos have been doing it for years ya clown
rj-daveyTuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 5:47pm
Can't speak for everyone but in my limited experience Asher is a legend in the water too. Even in crowded cranky snapper he is chilled and happy for others to get waves. Far and away the most tolerable pro I've encountered on the superbank
freeride76Tuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 6:19pm
No doubt its beautiful, stylish surfing but am I the only one who notices the first thing to go on twinnies is the full roundhouse cutback with a proper rebound?
BlowinTuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 6:22pm
Different strokes.
lostdoggyTuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 8:06pm
Jimmy Wood still does em on his.
Surely you’ve seen that up close?
freeride76Tuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 8:14pm
yeah true
memlasurfThursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 3:04pm
That thing has a wide tail and they really motor on those cut backs so it would be difficult on that board to get it real tight and around again. Micky Feb does them on his twin pin which I have something similar and you can do them but not as easily you just don't get quite the same pivot and swing. Roundabouts and swings for different boards. I am addicted to the ease of speed and it suits my lack of ability and old age.
Island BayTuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 6:23pm
That's a pet peeve of mine. Along with carve/hack/roundhouse combo to caught behind.
Hall of LameTuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 8:34pm
Great surfer but....I got excited for a moment with a backhand hook midway through but then more forehand points. (And who wouldn't surf those in norther NSW and SE Queensland) Other than Torryn Martin in big Cloudbreak I have rarely seen footage of anyone on their backhand on twinnies. I know they have their limitations but is their any footage of backhand twin fin surfing around? Released in the past few years that is.
Surfalot67Wednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 10:26am
Never heard of Josh Kerr I guess...
goofyfootWednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 12:03pm
Where’s his back hand footage surfalot?
Surfalot67Wednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 6:45pm
Skip to about 2.00 mins in. Solid waves...There's a reason Mick, Joel, Kerrzy etc are all on twins post the tour, they're fucking fun!
stunetWednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 6:57pm
Nice waves, yet he doesn't do a single turn on those lefts. It's all straight line trim and speed management.
The wisdom goes that the reason twinnies suffer backside is cos they don't project well off a heel-side turn. To snuff that theory we need to see Kerr doing that.
Even better, we need to see a regular Joe doing it. What pros can do means very little about how a design rides.
Surfalot67Wednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 7:05pm
True Stu, that theory goes both ways though right? How many very average Joe's in their middle ages do you see on a 5'10" Mayhem thinking they're killing it but unable to make a section or a late drop? For me, one of those very average Joe's in my 50's, a switch off traditional hi performance boards to twins has been a revelation, forehand and backhand. My ACSOD two fangs (I'm on my second, surfed the first to death) is the most fun all-rounder I've ever had, but I have no ambition or talent to try and be John John.
memlasurfThursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 3:14pm
With you all the way Surfalot and echo your thoughts word for word (though I am in my early 60's). They do surf well back hand for me just different you have to be more subtle in your turns like use the whole rail more not just stomp your foot on the tail and go vertical. For sure thrusters are simpler to master and are more vertical but the speed is so much fun on twinnies and the swoops are insane at full tilt. For me it is a return to what I loved back in the late 70's early 80's but now they actually work.
Surfalot67Thursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 6:58pm
Cheers Memla. Some folks just get caught up in trying to surf boards made for caffeine addicted Brazzo jockeys haha. I'm far from a shredda but hardly a day goes by where someone doesn't say fark mate that thing looks sick, what is that?...its all about the fun.
Hall of LameWednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 6:35pm
see goofyfoot's comment above.
Have seen Josh Kerr ripping in Indo rights but like Mikey February and Pacey it's all forehand.
udoWednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 12:14pm
All of Noel Salas Twin fin reviews on Utube show nice backhand surfing.
Hall of LameWednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 6:40pm
Thanks Udo - Did not think of this so will chase a couple of these vids up.
I always wonder how much time this guy spends on a board before he shares footage. He seems to able to ride anything.
san GuineTuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 11:31pm
One fin is one to few, 3 fins one too many. 2 fins are just right...
OptimistWednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 7:06am
OK so there is one man on earth who may possibly sell me a twin fin.
PeteWebbWednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 8:18am
Rasta just called. He wants to know if Asher picked up his wallet full of sponsorship dollars he dropped?
SolitudeWednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 9:23am
I'd imagine Rasta would be just fine associating himself with Patagonia, living on his epic northern nsw property and still surfing for a job on free boards from Gary Mcneill.
Jeez we have some amazing twin fin surfers - Torren, Asher and Dave
freeride76Wednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 9:34am
I'll throw Joel Fitz into that mix as well.
does insane surfing backside on a twin keel fish or bigger MR-style twinny
Surfalot67Wednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 10:27am
Kerrzy is next level on his twins too...
lostdoggyWednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 1:39pm
And NPJ been doing heaps of very nice, powerful backhand twin riding round here lately too.
On those apex twins, not duos.
john_cThursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 6:18am
The bigger Mr Style twinny Joel rides is a Tomahawk (Ozzy Wright's goto boards for big Indo waves). I have 2 of em and they are insane on backhand. It's a fallacy that twins in general are no good on backhand - it's actually 'wide tail' twins that are more difficult to surf backhand in a traditional way.
The MOTEs that Torreyn rides are awesome backhand as swell (I have a 6'0") as are Pins (yep got one of them as well). Watch the latest CI vid it's mostly on lefts with Mikey and some other dude ripping on twins.
tangoWednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 10:03am
Very nice. Those layback gouges...down pat with power.
I'm not sure you can really go straight with that amount of flotsam anyway. And driving on the beach...? Sure it's legal in places but, really? If AP has any of the purported respect for nature he'd stay off it in a vehicle.
BlowinWednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 11:59am
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tangoWednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 12:31pm
Blowin, I got an email from this thread with a comment from you but it's disappeared - it said:
"Why? There’s zero animals nest below the high tide line, you can see any other animals from a mile away as you’re driving in order to avoid them and the resurgent tide removes any trace of you ever having been there."
Yes, few (if any) animals might nest below the high tide line but there's still an awful lot going on that people often don't appreciate. This is worth a read - it's an Australian study on intertidal macrobenthic biota - ie the animals that live in the sand. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18266026/
They found that "Macrobenthic assemblages on ORV-impacted beaches had significantly fewer species at substantially reduced densities, resulting in marked shifts in community composition and structure."
There's also been a lot of controversy about vehicles on beaches over the years, and with the evidence out there, most of the people who do drive on beaches either prioritise their own enjoyment or struggle to see the cumulative impact of their driving. This is worth a read: https://coastsandoceans.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Petch-2018-Mot...
BlowinThursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 6:45am
I removed it because I was thinking about the creatures which reside within the sand. But….I don’t think the few remaining beaches in Australia with vehicle access should be closed….which they probably will be sooner or later.
The impact of cars on a tiny percentage of beaches does not imperil the ecosystem at large. The 99.9999% of beaches without vehicular access preserve biodiversity and species retention. Plus the people are going to go to these spots anyway. I admit that DI looks out of control* but those people will go there regardless and need somewhere to park. What is the alternative? A sealed road and a freaking huge tar carpark behind the dunes? Throw in coppers logs, toilet blocks , signage and the resultant shops which will appear to service crowds amd its game over. The joint is fucked 24/7 in order to protect some pippies and worms which thrive along the rest of the Eastern seaboard.
The world isn’t a museum yet. Let’s try to keep it that way.
* To be honest, I wasn’t envisioning the DI / Frazer type shitfight. can’t for the life me understand why anyone would expose themselves to that situation. I was thinking of the sort of beach driving I’ve traditionally done with perhaps a vehicle every kilometre in peak season.
tangoThursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 10:02am
Apologies for making it public, then - I thought it was an issue at my end.
I disagree that 99.99% of beaches are free of 4WDs - it depends on which local government area you're in, as some have no access and some have quite a bit. For example, if you live on the mid-north coast of NSW, there's actually a stack of beach accessible to 4WDs. If you look at the area from Valla down through to Crescent, it's clear that well over 50% of beaches can have 4WDs - check this out https://www.pmhc.nsw.gov.au/files/assets/public/facilitiesrec/beaches-an...
Also worth noting that Victoria has only one place you can drive in the dunes/on the beach over near Portland, and the rest of us survive without it.
Keeping the world from becoming a museum is the main game, and I suppose that's where the issue of cumulative impact fits in. I think there's also going to be change driven by the increase in visitation to beaches and the way driving on the beach causes conflict between users.
Hypothetical: If 4WDs on the beach get outlawed, how many people would make it to DI on a swell?
10 km walk along the beach from Rainbow, roughly the same from Cooloola. Who's up for it?
BlowinThursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 10:38am
That’s my point. It’d be a carpark / backpackers with takeaway outlets within a few years. So much more environmentally sensitive!
Like when you see the environment report on the NW coastal sheep stations and it has a picture of two lonely wheel ruts through empty bush, captioned with “Obvious degradation to bush land caused by vehicular impact”. This is then used to justify a dual lane blacktop road with road markers, turnarounds, parking areas, signage and more fucken coppers logs which allow a million percent more vehicles travelling at ten times the speed as the environmental protection. Of course these people then need shops and educational interpretation centres in order to protect the pristine wilderness they have just obliterated.
Piss take.
Surfalot67Thursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 10:38am
Nek minute - 200 tinnies and jetskis lined up.
gscoThursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 10:51am
nowadays there's as many 4WDs up there on any given weekend, without a surfer in sight, as there are in the article udo linked. Pretty quality rum and bourbon drinking Aussie crowd too, totally well behaved and respectful of nature...
btw I've done the trip from Rainbow to DI back in the 80s at low tide on a mountain bike with surfboard and backpack, to camp a night or two.
It's quite a nice ride actually.
yocalThursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 3:54pm
Pat O'Connell & Wingnut would go
Surfalot67Wednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 2:18pm
800 now you mentioned it
david de FigueiredoWednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 6:35pm
I recall this man back in the day with short hair and I think riding contemporary equipment of the time! Come a long way. Great surfing, so much flow. He is definitely one with the twins he rides!
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What a breath of Fresh Air to see such unique lines on a wave. Not a single 360 Air and I didn't miss them one bit.
Great music as well. Bring back the Funk and do away with the this current emo music trend.
I guess this video also proves you don't have to nurse twin fins through turns. Holy shit he was smashing it with complete control.
Drop some funky Acid and drive your Kingswood to beach on Hot Vinyl seats with no Air Con and Apple Play.
And then after a hard day of surfing and Chiko rolls, come home and watch your 17 inch B&W TV.
Groovey Man !
Ol' Zoolander releases another clip!
I really, really, really want to get a twinny but until I see someone surfing them well backhand, I'll stick with quads for small waves. If they can't surf them well backhand, what chance do I have? I like to go left as much as right.
Not too many lefts on that coast.
Captures the essence of the north coast brilliantly, making me keen for la nina weekenders. How's the spray he's chucking up on those turns? So much power for a short twinny.
Great clip, enjoyed that!
2:40 fark
Unreal...nice to see Asher on that longer board
Mcface...hang some twins off the back of that D.S.
Captain Fin Christenson Twins go very nicely on an 8'6 DS.
wots a DS?
D.S. = Webster Desert Storm
https://www.webstersurfboards.com.au/guns/
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/shaping-bay/297740
Was hoping you'd reply with that - i have one of those (6'10") and love it. Was thinking of trying it as a "twin pin". For messing around on small waves though at my age duck diving all that foam stuffs me up.
My DS is fast enough with the quad setup anyway would probably go warp speed as a twin, will have to give it a try sometime.
Great flow.
Drive and slide (and carve!)
The White Twinnie is a 5'3 epoxy
Jeeezus
And the longer one - 6'4
Here's a new thing to learn, Asher. Is there anywhere that is still sacred? KEEP 4WDs OFF THE BEACH.
But 2WD go poorly in the sand!
Motorbikes are fun with the right tyres.
Lol - fishos have been doing it for years ya clown
Can't speak for everyone but in my limited experience Asher is a legend in the water too. Even in crowded cranky snapper he is chilled and happy for others to get waves. Far and away the most tolerable pro I've encountered on the superbank
No doubt its beautiful, stylish surfing but am I the only one who notices the first thing to go on twinnies is the full roundhouse cutback with a proper rebound?
Different strokes.
Jimmy Wood still does em on his.
Surely you’ve seen that up close?
yeah true
That thing has a wide tail and they really motor on those cut backs so it would be difficult on that board to get it real tight and around again. Micky Feb does them on his twin pin which I have something similar and you can do them but not as easily you just don't get quite the same pivot and swing. Roundabouts and swings for different boards. I am addicted to the ease of speed and it suits my lack of ability and old age.
That's a pet peeve of mine. Along with carve/hack/roundhouse combo to caught behind.
Great surfer but....I got excited for a moment with a backhand hook midway through but then more forehand points. (And who wouldn't surf those in norther NSW and SE Queensland) Other than Torryn Martin in big Cloudbreak I have rarely seen footage of anyone on their backhand on twinnies. I know they have their limitations but is their any footage of backhand twin fin surfing around? Released in the past few years that is.
Never heard of Josh Kerr I guess...
Where’s his back hand footage surfalot?
Skip to about 2.00 mins in. Solid waves...There's a reason Mick, Joel, Kerrzy etc are all on twins post the tour, they're fucking fun!
Nice waves, yet he doesn't do a single turn on those lefts. It's all straight line trim and speed management.
The wisdom goes that the reason twinnies suffer backside is cos they don't project well off a heel-side turn. To snuff that theory we need to see Kerr doing that.
Even better, we need to see a regular Joe doing it. What pros can do means very little about how a design rides.
True Stu, that theory goes both ways though right? How many very average Joe's in their middle ages do you see on a 5'10" Mayhem thinking they're killing it but unable to make a section or a late drop? For me, one of those very average Joe's in my 50's, a switch off traditional hi performance boards to twins has been a revelation, forehand and backhand. My ACSOD two fangs (I'm on my second, surfed the first to death) is the most fun all-rounder I've ever had, but I have no ambition or talent to try and be John John.
With you all the way Surfalot and echo your thoughts word for word (though I am in my early 60's). They do surf well back hand for me just different you have to be more subtle in your turns like use the whole rail more not just stomp your foot on the tail and go vertical. For sure thrusters are simpler to master and are more vertical but the speed is so much fun on twinnies and the swoops are insane at full tilt. For me it is a return to what I loved back in the late 70's early 80's but now they actually work.
Cheers Memla. Some folks just get caught up in trying to surf boards made for caffeine addicted Brazzo jockeys haha. I'm far from a shredda but hardly a day goes by where someone doesn't say fark mate that thing looks sick, what is that?...its all about the fun.
see goofyfoot's comment above.
Have seen Josh Kerr ripping in Indo rights but like Mikey February and Pacey it's all forehand.
All of Noel Salas Twin fin reviews on Utube show nice backhand surfing.
Thanks Udo - Did not think of this so will chase a couple of these vids up.
I always wonder how much time this guy spends on a board before he shares footage. He seems to able to ride anything.
One fin is one to few, 3 fins one too many. 2 fins are just right...
OK so there is one man on earth who may possibly sell me a twin fin.
Rasta just called. He wants to know if Asher picked up his wallet full of sponsorship dollars he dropped?
I'd imagine Rasta would be just fine associating himself with Patagonia, living on his epic northern nsw property and still surfing for a job on free boards from Gary Mcneill.
Jeez we have some amazing twin fin surfers - Torren, Asher and Dave
I'll throw Joel Fitz into that mix as well.
does insane surfing backside on a twin keel fish or bigger MR-style twinny
Kerrzy is next level on his twins too...
And NPJ been doing heaps of very nice, powerful backhand twin riding round here lately too.
On those apex twins, not duos.
The bigger Mr Style twinny Joel rides is a Tomahawk (Ozzy Wright's goto boards for big Indo waves). I have 2 of em and they are insane on backhand. It's a fallacy that twins in general are no good on backhand - it's actually 'wide tail' twins that are more difficult to surf backhand in a traditional way.
The MOTEs that Torreyn rides are awesome backhand as swell (I have a 6'0") as are Pins (yep got one of them as well). Watch the latest CI vid it's mostly on lefts with Mikey and some other dude ripping on twins.
Very nice. Those layback gouges...down pat with power.
I'm not sure you can really go straight with that amount of flotsam anyway. And driving on the beach...? Sure it's legal in places but, really? If AP has any of the purported respect for nature he'd stay off it in a vehicle.
.
Blowin, I got an email from this thread with a comment from you but it's disappeared - it said:
"Why? There’s zero animals nest below the high tide line, you can see any other animals from a mile away as you’re driving in order to avoid them and the resurgent tide removes any trace of you ever having been there."
Yes, few (if any) animals might nest below the high tide line but there's still an awful lot going on that people often don't appreciate. This is worth a read - it's an Australian study on intertidal macrobenthic biota - ie the animals that live in the sand.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18266026/
They found that "Macrobenthic assemblages on ORV-impacted beaches had significantly fewer species at substantially reduced densities, resulting in marked shifts in community composition and structure."
There's also been a lot of controversy about vehicles on beaches over the years, and with the evidence out there, most of the people who do drive on beaches either prioritise their own enjoyment or struggle to see the cumulative impact of their driving. This is worth a read:
https://coastsandoceans.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Petch-2018-Mot...
I removed it because I was thinking about the creatures which reside within the sand. But….I don’t think the few remaining beaches in Australia with vehicle access should be closed….which they probably will be sooner or later.
The impact of cars on a tiny percentage of beaches does not imperil the ecosystem at large. The 99.9999% of beaches without vehicular access preserve biodiversity and species retention. Plus the people are going to go to these spots anyway. I admit that DI looks out of control* but those people will go there regardless and need somewhere to park. What is the alternative? A sealed road and a freaking huge tar carpark behind the dunes? Throw in coppers logs, toilet blocks , signage and the resultant shops which will appear to service crowds amd its game over. The joint is fucked 24/7 in order to protect some pippies and worms which thrive along the rest of the Eastern seaboard.
The world isn’t a museum yet. Let’s try to keep it that way.
* To be honest, I wasn’t envisioning the DI / Frazer type shitfight. can’t for the life me understand why anyone would expose themselves to that situation. I was thinking of the sort of beach driving I’ve traditionally done with perhaps a vehicle every kilometre in peak season.
Apologies for making it public, then - I thought it was an issue at my end.
I disagree that 99.99% of beaches are free of 4WDs - it depends on which local government area you're in, as some have no access and some have quite a bit. For example, if you live on the mid-north coast of NSW, there's actually a stack of beach accessible to 4WDs. If you look at the area from Valla down through to Crescent, it's clear that well over 50% of beaches can have 4WDs - check this out https://www.pmhc.nsw.gov.au/files/assets/public/facilitiesrec/beaches-an...
Also worth noting that Victoria has only one place you can drive in the dunes/on the beach over near Portland, and the rest of us survive without it.
Keeping the world from becoming a museum is the main game, and I suppose that's where the issue of cumulative impact fits in. I think there's also going to be change driven by the increase in visitation to beaches and the way driving on the beach causes conflict between users.
2016 Double island - Approx 600 vehicles parked on the beach for a swell
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/sunshine-coast/watch-doub...
Hypothetical: If 4WDs on the beach get outlawed, how many people would make it to DI on a swell?
10 km walk along the beach from Rainbow, roughly the same from Cooloola. Who's up for it?
That’s my point. It’d be a carpark / backpackers with takeaway outlets within a few years. So much more environmentally sensitive!
Like when you see the environment report on the NW coastal sheep stations and it has a picture of two lonely wheel ruts through empty bush, captioned with “Obvious degradation to bush land caused by vehicular impact”. This is then used to justify a dual lane blacktop road with road markers, turnarounds, parking areas, signage and more fucken coppers logs which allow a million percent more vehicles travelling at ten times the speed as the environmental protection. Of course these people then need shops and educational interpretation centres in order to protect the pristine wilderness they have just obliterated.
Piss take.
Nek minute - 200 tinnies and jetskis lined up.
nowadays there's as many 4WDs up there on any given weekend, without a surfer in sight, as there are in the article udo linked. Pretty quality rum and bourbon drinking Aussie crowd too, totally well behaved and respectful of nature...
btw I've done the trip from Rainbow to DI back in the 80s at low tide on a mountain bike with surfboard and backpack, to camp a night or two.
It's quite a nice ride actually.
Pat O'Connell & Wingnut would go
800 now you mentioned it
I recall this man back in the day with short hair and I think riding contemporary equipment of the time! Come a long way. Great surfing, so much flow. He is definitely one with the twins he rides!
Plenty of twin surfing backhand: