Good little watch and sounds like a good bloke doing good work. I agree about plastic not being evil, but vehemently disagree that the disposal of plastic is the responsibility of the individual, in fact, there's multiple sources that say that Coca-Cola and the other big dogs were behind the propaganda of shifting the responsibility from the company to the individual.

Let's compare two ways to solve the issue. The Nev way, which would involve educating EVERY SINGLE PERSON on earth and enforcing it somehow 24/7. Or, you know, getting the companies to either stop producing plastic packaging or make them liable for the collection and recycling. You tell me which is the better, more effective option? That's a strawman anyway, because in fact, we've been trialling the model of individual responsibility since the elimination of glass bottles and we all know how that's worked. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is madness defined.

Anyways, I encourage everyone to learn the history and kill this very, very successful propaganda campaign.

PS. If you have a FireWire FST, don't let it suck water or it's done. In that way, the FireWires I've owned are terrible compared to my other epoxy board (Diverse Dynacore) which resists water!

Didn't take long for some loser to find negatives in this brilliant and uplifting bio. Nev should be an inspiration to all of us, including the doomsayers who whinge 24/7 on this site.

go nev!
is the process of cutting up the plastic and making the panels or bricks something that an individual can do in the backyard? anyone know anything about the process?

i've been watching a hell of a lot of diy housing videos lately.

Great article and good to see a real individual walking the talk.....and down to earth.

Geez D-rex - I'd say Ju.. etc raised some good points.. notably the macro problem needs to be solved at the source. Which in no way diminishes Nev's significant ideas, Even if Ju is subliminally criticising Nev.
My add is, empowerment starts within, it is an individual thing; change comes when all interested groups (stakeholders and other wank terms) connect to solve the problem. I'm still amazed to see surfers get out of the water at remote surf spots, crack a beer and then a few years later I'm seeing beer packaging and bottles in an other wise pristine shoreline? Or Museli wrappers? I don't think we as surfers need to wait around for the Coke company to tell us what to do. It's not just Coke, I agree with Nev, we need to be conscious of our personal consumption at source. As Gandi once said: "be the change you want to see"

Nev is a good man. I wish him all the best in his endeavours.

Great clip. :)
Thanks....

Great clip. My first custom was a Nev, great board.

I see that archival footage though and I always find it interesting how body shapes have changed since the 80's. Is the population (surfers included) heavier now than it was?

Good on you Nev. Great to see a Good News Story at this current time.

Continuing down the tangent ... The Tragedy Of The Commons is a thing, and without incentive to do otherwise, humans are going to chuck their bottles. As an alternative, imagine if the true cost of consumption, to our world, is built into the market .. my coke costs $6, but I get $3 back if I return the bottle. If I don't return the bottle, Coke spend the $3 cleaning the world's oceans.

Or we could continue living the dream that the earth can be endlessly plundered, 'coz that's going swimmingly.

Is Nev surfings most notable ginger?
I can only think of Mick Campbell and Bobby Owens as other notable surfing figures that share a bit too much of the Neanderthal gene. Xavier Huxtable has a pretty good redtop going but he's not that well known, I am sure I am missing plenty, any surf history buffs out there, is Nev the top Fanta-pants in surfing?

That was an epic little piece.

First up , got to say that I love the attitude.....Be bold ! Keep your eyes open for opportunity.

Such good sentiments. Not too often you hear wisdom being dispensed by surfers , particularly when they’ve kicked a few goals in life such as Nev.

The Nev house looks intriguing. Love the styling. You’re such a legend just for having a go , let alone actually achieving results like in Vanuatu. Totally agree with the concept of personal responsibility first and foremost . It’s vacuous to suggest otherwise.

Sounds like you’ve had a great life. A lot of good surfing done whilst the going was good.

Never had a Nev board so I can’t really comment there. Your team was shithot. That photo of Butto and a similar one of Munga sitting in those perfect Gold Coast pits still gives me a contact high. Timeless shots.

As for plastic drifting around the oceans ....found this on a little beach around here in winter of 2017 ( I think ). Covered in barnacles. It’d obviously been drifting around for a while ....

Merrick Davis team rider that board

My first "hard board" was a second hand Nev, Odyssey Surfboard , box single fin with a flyer and a space theme paint job , a steal at $15 bucks at a garage sale (the thruster had hit the market and everybody wanted a Town and Country thruster like Antman), I was just stoked to be off the foamie, rode it for couple years, leant to fix dings on it, till packing shopping bags at woolies for $3bucks an hour finally got me a Hot Brewz thruster. Wish I still had them both (Nez snapped eventually and was thrown out I guess and the Hot Brewz was traded in for something else) No quivers in the early 80,s

I loved riding his Munga weapons back in the day and it was nice watching him shape through his little window. A nice guy and real achiever. I didn't like the Taiwan firewire thing but I love what he's doing now. Scott Morrisons turning our plastic into roads which is a good idea instead of exporting our problem. Perhaps Nev should show Scott his buildings and apply some of our foreign aid in another functional avenue as well.

I like Nev but he kind of sounds a bit angry in this vid.

good on Nev, at least he is doing something positive.

Thanks again Swellnet for another great article.
I love Nev’s work and enthusiasm for the environment. The houses look great and well thought out but I’d hate to see one catch on fire.
Not sure how most surfboards can be recycled but looks like board builders are going that direction. Personally I believe that if a product can be manufactured then it has to be the responsibility for that manufacturer to be able to have their product 100% recyclable otherwise they are basically making landfill. The earth cannot keep taking this abuse.
We separate all our plastics at home into the seven different types but most recycling plants only take 1 or 2 types. Also as an example, a 2ltr milk or 500ml plastic cream bottle has the lid as #4 plastic and the bottle a #2 plastic. We need some more consistency with types used by the manufacturer. The manufacturer has made it our responsibility to dispose of the waste correctly. Only the dedicated consumer will separate their plastics. Can’t see everyone doing this, ever.
We also take all our single use plastic back to the supermarket from where we bought it. This should apply to all forms of plastics sold from supermarkets or any suppliers where plastics are sold.
Our council recycling bin now only gets cardboard, steel and glass. From what is known is that most councils don’t separate plastics into groups and as most is unclean, it then ends up in landfill anyway because it’s too costly to clean and separate!
Plastic disposal should be first the responsibility of the manufacturer, secondly the distributor and thirdly the consumer. Not just the consumer only because that will Never work.
Keep up the great work Swellnet and everyone ;)

totally agree Legrope.

there's just no way in hell, even if you devoted yourself 24/7 that you could get on top of recycling all the plastic that comes into our lives whether we like it or not.

And most councils now take fewer and fewer forms of plastic.

I don't want every single thing I get wrapped in plastic.

plastic isn't oil.

"Most plastic is manufactured from petroleum the end product of a few million years of natural decay of once-living organisms. Petroleum's main components come from lipids that were first assembled long ago in those organisms' cells. So the question is, if petroleum-derived plastic comes from biomaterial, why doesn't it biodegrade?

A crucial manufacturing step turns petroleum into a material unrecognized by the organisms that normally break organic matter down.

Most plastics are derived from propylene, a simple chemical component of petroleum. When heated up in the presence of a catalyst, individual chemical units monomers of propylene link together by forming extremely strong carbon-carbon bonds with each other. This results in polymers long chains of monomers called polypropylene.

"Nature doesn't make things like that," said Kenneth Peters, an organic geochemist at Stanford University, "so organisms have never seen that before."

Plastic is an environmental disaster, maybe the biggest one humanity has created. And the creation of it is booming.
It is evil shitt.

Btw, well done Nev, you have such a great attitude!

I believe Nev is truly trying to make a difference before making a buck.
Thats not to say he is not a business man or business minded. I think in this aspect he does care for the outcome of his venture for the end user more so than himself.
That is my opinion from watching this video and when I first read about his Nev house a couple of years ago. So more power to you Nev, if I am correct.
As for plastic waste. Well you reap what you sow people. The more we hold capitalism up in high esteem, the more products are there for us to buy, the more waste and so on .......
I know its not that simple and there is far more to it than that, but that theory certainly has a lot to do with it in my view.

I used to glass his boards In the late 80’s at T&C surfboards in W.A. Nev was just the hardest worker and nicest guy, very knowledgeable and helpful with shaping tips/techniques.The shapes were flawless in every aspect and he could pump them out,Shaping for over 12 hours a day.
He deserves everything he has in life and been a great guy along the way.....
Inspirational.......

This sounds promising. Convential recycling makes inferior plastic. This guy can make fuel or bring it back like new by breaking it down to its molecular components.
I am pretty sure he had to go overseas for research and development just like the Suntech solar billionaire.
The recycling process is based on the catalytic hydrothermal reactor (Cat-HTR) platform, developed by Professor Maschmeyer and his colleagues at Licella. It was the starting point for what was then a startup company, Licella, which has been strongly supported by the University of Sydney.

Using water at high pressure and high temperature, Cat-HTR breaks plastics down to their smaller chemical components. The water prevents unwanted chemical reactions, then catalysts are used to make the components rearrange themselves into new forms:

Solids, like industrial waxes for the food and coatings industry
Heavy liquids, like oils/greases for lubrication purposes
Light liquids, like solvents and fuels such as diesel or petrol
Reactive gases, like ethylene, which can be used to make new plastics.

Anyone who excuses the petrochemical industry and plastic production is part of the problem not solution. Plastic production is devastating however it is bring gift wrapped as humanitarin. It is uneccessary, and tied to war, colonialism, exploitation, etc of the sort of communities those withwhite saviour complex are "saving". There are libraries full of critiques of this sort of capitalism and myths supporting fossil fuel future orientating.

Plastics are long chain polymers which are perfect for adding to bitumen to give it strength and flexibility and shouldn't escape into the environment. When melted into bitumen Its not really plastic anymore. Long life roads with no more potholes could be a thing soon and the amount of plastic waste used will be amazing. Road costs and maintenance will plummet as well. Cant knock the fact we have found something decent to do with our waste and hopefully we will stop excess waste altogether one day.

Plastic too good to waste.

Imagine a future where there’s self replicating autonomous robotic machines that are able to be let loose in abandoned landfills and reduce the waste into usable raw materials, then turn those materials into new manufactured goods. That future is could be as little as fifty years away at the rate things are progressing.

Any word on how the Nev houses on Vanuatu stood up to Cyclone Harold.

Repurpose by redesign - what a great mantra.

Regarding water penetration into EPS foam

Note this method where you can see how the brown expanding foam glue has penetrated into the gaps between the foam balls, therefore resisting water penetration if the board gets dinged.

Speaking of plastic.
Drowning in Plastic doco on SBS
https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/1651428931951/drowning-in-plastic
The first 8 mins shows scientists on Lord Howe Island catching shearwater chicks then pumping water into their stomachs and the birds then throw up dozens of pieces of plastic.
Heavy shit.

Whoa!...Stu! You opened up a pandoras box in posting this video. (Thanks mate).

And to all you guys who have commented on this extremely contentious issue, THANKS. I am super humbled by your kind words about me and my boards too.
However, ranga abuse is not to be tolerated!
Did you know that gingers are the smallest minority on the planet? Or maybe Albinos are... Whatever! Let's make tomorrow "hug a ranga" day...Oh bugger...You can't...

One thing I have found whilst on this journey is that opinion, albeit well considered, is often hampered by the fact that there is no real solution to the issue of co-mingled contaminated low grade plastic.
But equally, we cannot be too altruistic in our view and we must face some hard undeniable facts.
My view is that, we cant stop climate change, but we damn well must do everything to MITIGATE against it.
Now just replace the word climate change with plastic waste.
I am unapologetic enough to say that I know my shite on this topic. I have literally travelled the world non stop this past 3 years investigating the problem and I KNOW we have a solution. Waste management companies, local councils and municipalities everywhere are in a fix due to the "China Sword", and we can fix it for them. We are being offered to be paid to take plastic that is destined for landfill.
No need to sort it, don't worry about contamination...Just give it to me!
Now, scale that thought globally and all plastic could be re purposed by redesigning it. The ONLY way is to give low grade co-mingled contaminated plastic VALUE and have a VOLUME solution.
"Boutique" solutions are cute and make us (the contentious demographic) feel good by doing a great thing in taking ONE polymer (PET) and turning it into clothes and shoes, BUT we need VOLUME solutions to really make a material difference globally.
When I question who's at fault that waste is in the environment I am absolutely right in saying that it is us the consumer, because "we" are the ones who do not dispose of it correctly all around this beautiful planet, and all know the many reasons why...I am not arguing that point. We all know that at this point in time it is pointless to collect it if there is no use for it, and no individual or council will collect it just to "do the right thing".

Reducing single use is absolutely the right thing to do, but I am afraid that we are missing the point and actually "green washing" the other problem. The many other areas of concern, from agricultural, to electronic to commercial industrial and medical plastic waste.
And YES, the multi nationals are to blame for single use plastics, (in time there will be bio alternatives), but seriously, lets just be realistic and not altruistic in our argument.
I am sad to say that NOTHING will stop the continued proliferation of plastic in and around everything we do.
BASF state that due to the growth of the middle class in China, India, SE Asia and South America there WILL be at least a 40% increase in plastic production in the next 5 years.
Lignin and Algae based plastic alternatives are in the pipeline, but nothing is going to stop the tidal wave of plastic coming...We can protest and bleat all day long, but instead let's be pro active and find ways to repurpose it ALL by sequestering it in volume in something good that the world needs badly. Shelter!
We MUST give plastic VALUE. This is the only way it will be collected to be reused.
NevHouse can provide the solution for Councils to divert plastic and not dump it. There is actually no need to upgrade MRF's (Material Recovery Facilities) to sort and clean plastic better if our system is the alternative.
In developing nations we are excited about our POP (Plastic Offset Program) and the proposed NEV POP houses, which will be the collection centres.
POP brings value (jobs) to the poor globally by PAYING them to collect ALL the plastic from their homes, their local community and the local environment. Every scrap blowing in the wind or floating down a river has value to a NevHouse CRPP.
It is completely viable for NevHouse to pay for example 5,000 IDR a kg for low grade plastic that's not even wanted by the pickers in Bali. A 10kg bag is worth aprox. $5.00, enough to feed a family for a few days.
We are in discussion with The Plastic Bank and 4Ocean with the hope of collaboration, so that the POP Initiative could provide a solution to actually reduce plastic waste entering waterways of the 10 largest rivers in the Asia-Pacific region from flowing into our oceans.

So what is the NevHouse solution...
Well, it's a load of CRPP! 
CRPP stands for Composite Recycled Plastic Panels which are one of the main components of every NevHouse. The award winning profile was designed by prof Ken McBryde. One profile for walls, roof and floor.
   
The average 60m² structure will uses 4 tonnes of mixed plastic waste.
The FACT is that NevHouse sequestering it permanently. IF the house ever needed to be recycled, it can simply be re ground and repurposed into another house.
The CRPP (Composite Recycled Plastic Panel) system delivers a solid skinned and foamed core lightweight sandwich panel from 100% mixed post-consumer polymers (codes 1-7). Unlike conventional plastic recycling technologies this process is tolerant to high concentrations of impurities allowing course flakes to be used as the feedstock.  The process is exceptionally tolerant to contamination within the recyclate feedstock (sand, soil, paper, metal and other non-polymer debris) minimising the need for cleaning and pre-treatment of the waste plastic. CRPP also tolerates high concentrations of dissimilar polymers in the feedstock reducing the cost of polymer segregation and purification. 
 
CRPP’s are manufactured using a clamshell moulding process like a surfboard blank whereby the surface of the mould is covered with a single virgin or recycled polymer, (or green algae polymer and/or lignin based bio-polymer to completely encapsulate the centre of pulverised commingled feedstock. A foaming agent is then added under heat and pressure and then the mould is placed in an oven to complete the process, all of which is in a controlled emissions free environment.
Encapsulation using organic polymers seals within the co-mingled plastic particulate, 70-80% of which is PE and PP, which are the everyday "safe" plastics.
The combination of encapsulation and the fact that remaining contaminates are diluted significantly enough to not be an issue with regard to VOC's and potential off gassing delivers a perfectly safe composite. Flyash ((heavy metals are removed), basalt and other natural additives also provide significant fire retardency.

Currently the frame of a NevHouse is made from LVL (Laminated Veneer Lumber) which is a sustainable structural engineered lumber. But it is expensive.
We are working on structural woven strand bamboo (Google Indo Bamboo - 1,000 Bamboo Village program.)
I am also certain that we will soon be able to extrude the structural frame that goes together like lego. We are working with a group out of India/Germany who take mixed polymers, basalt, and flyash from commercial incineration to make a structural extrudable polymer that has remarkable fire retardancey.

I hope that answers some concerns, but I am now sure that it has opened up a whole gamut of discussion. :)
Nev

You rock Nev!!

Kudos for the effort you are putting in, and the solutions you are offering!

As you say, trying to change the behavior of the manufacturers and consumers is much harder than working with what we have in front of us, and coming up with the best solutions and options. Well done so far mate.

Nev that's amazing, and an incredible process. Well done.

There's a group that's trying to clean up the oceans:

https://theoceancleanup.com/

Also gingers have to stick together, absolutely. 15% of Scotland apparently, and that's as high % as it gets, anywhere.

Good effort Nev, fighting the good fight. Thanks for the start up on the Odyssey, any stories from the North Perth factory (now under the freeway) days? BTW ginger hair may be in the minority but it goes gray before most other hair colours apparently so nothing to see here people... Just another silverback.

Nev you do sound like you know your shite about plastic. No doubt, but I can't help but feel unless we slow/eliminate its use, not increase it as you suggested will happen.
We are are always going to be just putting a band-aid on an axe wound with plastic.
I cant think of a more horrible product we have invented, and it's good of you to house the needy with it. That is great.
But I got to say, I'll be fucked if I want to come home to house made of it, unless it couldnt be recognised as plastic material construction in any way.

I hate the shit, but unfortunately plastic is a part of life now.

"Without a Vision the people perish"...and yours is a good one Nev. God Bless Ya.

Nice one Nev. There’s always gonna be plenty of people out there telling us what we should be doing to solve a problem. The ones that actually get off their ass and put the theory into action are in a distinct minority. It must be immensely satisfying to see your hard work bearing fruit aye.

Excellent work Nev!
Thank you for your efforts.
That has brightened an otherwise depressing thread that was swiftly heading down the usual aggro bitching, snark and finger- pointing path.

What about how tge desire for consumption does not diminish but increases when recycling systems are offered to subjects, as Catlin and Wang discovered (2013). Waste is no longer signified as the trace of unsustainability, but rather as the object of manageable sustainability. Hence, production is not curbed as profit through surplus value still possible eg. see paying world poorest communities to collect and clean up corporate toxic output, ongoing reliance on plastic (and the raw materials required for it), etc.

I also think the arrogance of saying you have looked at something for 3 years and claiming an undebatable opinion/expertise is inappropriate.

Belated observation that Nev is the man and stu is a fuckwit. Wonder how long before this comment is deleted?

Visited Japan for the first time last year, was blown away by the amount of plastic they use, even individual pieces of fruit are wrapped in the stuff. Big corporations have a lot to answer for, as do we the end user. Good on you Nev for playing your part, am inspired to do better.

Seems a lot of innovators I see and hear from are incredibly ego-centric,... my stuff is the best .... blah, blah, blah

I don’t get the same vibe from nev. he just seems like a super happy, enthusiastic doer

Refreshing

Hey NEV , you are right and I concede. I guess to term it with hate was a bit much, and I guess I didnt mind plastic when you could reach into your corn flakes box and pull out the plastic toy it came with. (remember those days?)
I think it's like most things in life. It's got that double edge. The product has changed so many things, on so many levels, and we couldn't be where we are with our lifestyles etc without it. And if we really think about it . Its not the product that is at fault. It;s we humans who can;t control things, that are really to blame.
If we all could be better and able to be as proactive as someone like yourself.
I guess that's how LENNON came up with "IMAGINE"
Thanks bud.

I'm impressed with what you are doing Nev. I spent 11 years running low impact, small group adventure tours throughout South East Asia and have seen first hand the impact of plastic waste in the remotest regions. Being able to create sustainable housing out of re-cycled plastics (in countries that allow this) is something I would like to be a part of. Give me a yell if I could fit in.

The only way we will solve this problem is a volume solution for the use of used plastic. Give me some solutions? Please...
ok

Clivus Multrum waterless composting toilet.
Instead of building out of besser blocks replace with recycled plastic blocks molded to the shape of Lego blocks which clip together easily .
This was built 30 years ago, its a proven design invented by the Swedes in the 1930s.
This took me about one week to build.
If you apply your 'repurpose by redesign' idea you could build this as a modular/kit system in a factory and assemble on site in third world countries.
A recycled plastic version could be put together in a day.

Clif > I find your big picture stuff interesting; but your attitude towards Nev - who is making change happen - reads as belligerent to me. Just a thought on your tone.

I once read that Thomas Edison invented the vinyl record as a type of audio business card. He never imagined the music industry that would develop on the back of it. I couldn't exist without music; but its no longer on plastic vinyl and I have never had better access to it. Not to mention the freedoms that have come to the dispossessed and down-trodden through the development and spread of music around the world, via the capitalist model.

Hold that thought; imagine where Nev House is now is not where its going to end up.

One practical question for Nev - all ready raised in an earlier thread - what are the fire resistant capabilities of Nev House?

Hey Clif
I had problems posting this for the last few days.
Thanks for your reply and I’ll do my best to close this discussion out but I’m still happy to answer any further questions whether or not they become the right answers or not. It’s just my view.

will upcycling/redsign halt the flow of plastic?

No it will not but it will deal with what’s been done and what will be produced
I believe that to do nothing is as equally destructive.

does such a process reduce its toxicity and harm?

yes because this process encapsulates plastic permanently therefore sequestering it. The main alternatives are incinerate it, turn it into oil, put it in road base, or bury it in landfill are we cleaning up or healing? I prefer sequestering it safely by encapsulation

i can never get over the health and well-being harm i saw being caused by plastic production on communities in USA; Europe and China. those people wanted their cancer to go away, the death to stop, their animals to be OK, the water to be drinkable, the air breathable. this colours my perspective. so, I have become very anti-plastic in whatever guise despite being situated within an ocean of it.

I hear you and understand this dilemma it is such a pervasive industry, but produces a product that all demographics can’t seem to do without. Until there is an alternative there is NO solution to this dilemma.
In a perfect world I and everyone else who have witnessed environmental degradation from the fossil fuel industry would prefer they never existed, or that mankind had found an alternative and run with that (ironically the first plastic was organic from lignin, but it was deemed cheaper to do it from oil eventually, imagine if we had stayed with a cellulose based Plastic?) We all know that this is a farcical perspective to entertain because the horse bolted over 60 years ago and it is what it is, but it’s our job now to clean up the mess the best we can and not hope it just goes away. I’m not suggesting for a second that you or anyone else who may disagree with my view is naive enough to think that that is an alternative train of thought, and my heart and mind is with yours in relation to what we see happening to people less lucky than us, by virtue of an accident of birth.

also worry about how upcycled plastic still gives off greenhouse gases as it degrades in the environment, affecting the health all around it. can upcycling solve that? should it?

Yes, up cycling can mitigate against that and yes it must. Our process only requires LDPE(plastic bags) to melt at 110° which when combined with a foaming agent is forced to encapsulate all the other particles within. Therefore all other material other than LDPE is a filler so anything organic becomes filler also. This ground and pulverised internal particulate is by percentage roughly 70 to 80% PE and PP (which are well understood to be the safest of all plastics).The other % contains organic material and other contaminants including PVC, PS and other arguably more dangerous plastics. They become a % of the other 20-30% in the master mix, therefore heavily diluted. Then a surfacing bio polymer encapsulates everything within. Even if the seal was to be broken (hang a picture, severe damage) there would be little if any VOCs or offgassing. And let me be clear, significantly less than any other plastic material that we live and travel in and around, and where we work in and use every day, whether we think we can choose to or not.
Our process does not melt all plastics into one block or brick like you may have seen coming from South America or New Zealand. In these technologies the material that is inside is the same material that is on the surface, so to stop UV degradation and the releasing of VOCs etc the “brick” must be rendered to seal the plastic within . Our composite recycled plastic panel is fully encapsulated with an organic lignin based polymer.

would more use in building intensify this for some communities and cause problems for people’s health?

No, see above

So much to think about. Anyway, good luck with it. i do still hope you are successful.

Thanks mate I do appreciate your views and passion, something that for me can come across to you and maybe others as arrogance, so again I ask your forgiveness for the way I may have presented my view. My excuse is that it’s the Ranga in me. :)

I have known Nev for many years, had a long business association with him during the Nev Future shapes era. Nev is a gentleman, a busy guy who is always on the move, one of the best networkers on the planet period and a guy who gets things done.

Designing new stuff is not easy, introducing new stuff to people is even harder, pioneers get the arrows settlers get the land. The whole Nev house thing is awesome and a taste of how things will ultimately be done, there is a massive "free at the moment" resource that is just sitting around...............clever thinking Nev Kudos to you mate and all the best with this endevour.

Neva give up !

Just adding my voice to the chorus singing the praises of Nifty Nev. Brave, brilliant mind driven by compassion. Just a top fella all round.

Nev rules - 6'3 x 18 1/4 x 2/14 Amen.

Heh - and from a Ranga too eh Gra!