2022 Election

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blindboy started the topic in Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 at 7:46am

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Robwilliams Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 10:37am

If political parties had integrity maybe I could believe they could lead and deliver. But they have been showing us otherwise. Had they performed, people wouldn't be so concerned by Australia's leadership. It's the fact that they have butchered it time and time again. Eventually people politically motivated or not, start asking questions to the failings whatever they may be. These questions arise as concern rises. Why would that be? Labour or liberal or any other. Actions speak louder than words. Deceit has shown Australians their government is not what it should be. Or are there two sets of rules. One for the ruling class and one for those below or out of the loop. Or is it manipulation for a benefit of a select few? People are inclined to know what's going on good or bad. Covering it up won't help Australia, but might get us to a new political week. Distraction, avoidance unaccountability achieves what? Other than a new headline.

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seeds Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 10:40am

Indo the broken record. Do you write the LNPs media responses? Or are you sadly just swallowing it all hook line and sinker.

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Robwilliams Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 10:41am

interlude and quite possibly one of the greatest political moments our country has seen.

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Cockee Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 10:45am

CBG must be exhausted.

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Robwilliams Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 11:06am

But it was you who swallowed.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 12:44pm
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Indo the broken record. Do you write the LNPs media responses? Or are you sadly just swallowing it all hook line and sinker.

I got asked a question and i answered it in detail backed up by facts and figures.

Or maybe you think that its all BS?

And that really it's all just a government cover up helped by off course Murdoch, and I've apparently swallowed it all hook line and sinker.

And really hundreds and thousands died in Australia due to Covid, and currently we are in a deep dark recession, the property market and building industry has crashed, unemployment rates are sky high, our debt to GDP is actually higher than Japan, and boats are arriving everyday the government is just hiding it all from us.

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Cockee Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 12:43pm

Spot on Indo. These wankers have successfully swayed absolutely no-one to vote Labor - but hey, boys(?), keep circle jerking if it keeps CBG happy.

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AndyM Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 12:59pm

"helped by off course Murdoch"

Love a little Freudian slip.

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san Guine Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 1:08pm

Federal ICAC?

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seeds Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 1:24pm

Off course that’s not to be mentioned SG.
Indo off course avoids the topic and into deflection spiel as usual.
Can’t be bothered with trivial matters such as corruption. Off course

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GuySmiley Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 1:41pm

Interesting analysis on Morrison's election strategy on last Sunday's Insiders (iview if (interested).

In a nutshell, he is not worried about the so-called "teal" Liberal held seats nor is he worried if he loses a couple. He is instead targeting conservative/ religious conservative voters in marginal Labor held seats with support for Deves and strategic electoral pork barrelling (bribes).

The panel thought it was incredibly brave and unprecedented that a PM would act this way. In Victoria this strategy puts at risk so-called moderates Wilson (exIPA), Liu (unexplained former links to now disgraced Chinese/Australians) and the treasurer Frydenberg. In NSW it exposes Zimmerman, Sharma and guarantees Steggall a 2nd term.

If he pulls this cunning stunt off its a win win for the PM. He gets to keep power while dropping off some annoying "moderates" (broad church?? hahaha) and the once centre right party drifts further to the right in Morrison's image ..... Lucky Country?

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 2:01pm
seeds wrote:

Off course that’s not to be mentioned SG.
Indo off course avoids the topic and into deflection spiel as usual.
Can’t be bothered with trivial matters such as corruption. Off course

If you guys want to talk about that issue nobody is stopping you, but it doesn't affect my life like important issues like the economy do.

Like i said yesterday let's be real and cut the bullshit, the ONLY reason you guys bang on about it, is because you are anti LNP and want to see them hammered and hurt, if Labor had been in power for the last nine years you would have zero interest in it, because obviously when it comes in its always going to hurt the government who has been in power recently the most especially if they have been in for a while.

Yeah sure im not going to bullshit if the shoe was on the other foot and Labor had been in power for nine years and managed the economy good especially through a pandemic etc and i didnt have much to attack Labor on, i too would be banging on about it and pointing out money mismanagement and corruption etc.

Like i said yesterday, it is what it is.

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GuySmiley Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 2:02pm
GuySmiley wrote:

Interesting analysis on Morrison's election strategy on last Sunday's Insiders (iview if (interested).

In a nutshell, he is not worried about the so-called "teal" Liberal held seats nor is he worried if he loses a couple. He is instead targeting conservative/ religious conservative voters in marginal Labor held seats with support for Deves and strategic electoral pork barrelling (bribes).

The panel thought it was incredibly brave and unprecedented that a PM would act this way. In Victoria this strategy puts at risk so-called moderates Wilson (exIPA), Liu (unexplained former links to now disgraced Chinese/Australians) and the treasurer Frydenberg. In NSW it exposes Zimmerman, Sharma and guarantees Steggall a 2nd term.

If he pulls this cunning stunt off its a win win for the PM. He gets to keep power while dropping off some annoying "moderates" (broad church?? hahaha) and the once centre right party drifts further to the right in Morrison's image ..... Lucky Country?

... Greg Hunt’s old seat (he’s retired) Flinders

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Robwilliams Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 3:17pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
seeds wrote:

Off course that’s not to be mentioned SG.
Indo off course avoids the topic and into deflection spiel as usual.
Can’t be bothered with trivial matters such as corruption. Off course

If you guys want to talk about that issue nobody is stopping you, but it doesn't affect my life like important issues like the economy do.

Like i said yesterday let's be real and cut the bullshit, the ONLY reason you guys bang on about it, is because you are anti LNP and want to see them hammered and hurt, if Labor had been in power for the last nine years you would have zero interest in it, because obviously when it comes in its always going to hurt the government who has been in power recently the most especially if they have been in for a while.

Yeah sure im not going to bullshit if the shoe was on the other foot and Labor had been in power for nine years and managed the economy good especially through a pandemic etc and i didnt have much to attack Labor on, i too would be banging on about it and pointing out money mismanagement and corruption etc.

Like i said yesterday, it is what it is.

They have hammered and hurt themselves I am just an observer.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 6:01pm
GuySmiley wrote:

Interesting analysis on Morrison's election strategy on last Sunday's Insiders (iview if (interested).

In a nutshell, he is not worried about the so-called "teal" Liberal held seats nor is he worried if he loses a couple. He is instead targeting conservative/ religious conservative voters in marginal Labor held seats with support for Deves and strategic electoral pork barrelling (bribes).

The panel thought it was incredibly brave and unprecedented that a PM would act this way. In Victoria this strategy puts at risk so-called moderates Wilson (exIPA), Liu (unexplained former links to now disgraced Chinese/Australians) and the treasurer Frydenberg. In NSW it exposes Zimmerman, Sharma and guarantees Steggall a 2nd term.

If he pulls this cunning stunt off its a win win for the PM. He gets to keep power while dropping off some annoying "moderates" (broad church?? hahaha) and the once centre right party drifts further to the right in Morrison's image ..... Lucky Country?

Had a listen, dragged on a bit but I learnt something.

Womens unemployment rate is 3.7% lowest rate since 1970s

Few other interesting bits and pieces too.

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I focus Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 6:34pm
GuySmiley wrote:

Interesting analysis on Morrison's election strategy on last Sunday's Insiders (iview if (interested).

In a nutshell, he is not worried about the so-called "teal" Liberal held seats nor is he worried if he loses a couple. He is instead targeting conservative/ religious conservative voters in marginal Labor held seats with support for Deves and strategic electoral pork barrelling (bribes).

The panel thought it was incredibly brave and unprecedented that a PM would act this way. In Victoria this strategy puts at risk so-called moderates Wilson (exIPA), Liu (unexplained former links to now disgraced Chinese/Australians) and the treasurer Frydenberg. In NSW it exposes Zimmerman, Sharma and guarantees Steggall a 2nd term.

If he pulls this cunning stunt off its a win win for the PM. He gets to keep power while dropping off some annoying "moderates" (broad church?? hahaha) and the once centre right party drifts further to the right in Morrison's image ..... Lucky Country?

I didn't see this but interesting, in WA the religious right have taken over the Liberal party it was the major reason they got smashed by McGowan really messy stuff.

I was wondering if the pre-selection issues were about the religious right being brought in by Morrison.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 6:59pm
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It is what it is.

https://theaimn.com/worst-debt-blow-out-in-the-developed-world-refutes-c...

Fuck me dead, you have a knack for unearthing the most obscure dodgy media website's, this one looks like it was created by some nerdy pimple faced kid back in the 90s when Angel fire and Alta vista was all the rage, i went to the home page and half the pics don't even load, i did a google search to see who they are and came across their facebook page and every recent post is a Scomo hate piece and most of the archived photos are crappy meme style pics mostly from Turbull era.

Media outlet is a stretch more like a far left propaganda blog.

No surprise it doesn't come up on media bias fact check

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andy-mac Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 7:19pm

@Indo
'And that really it's all just a government cover up helped by off course Murdoch, and I've apparently swallowed it all hook line and sinker.'

Most sensible thing I have seen you write! :)

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 7:29pm
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@Indo
'And that really it's all just a government cover up helped by off course Murdoch, and I've apparently swallowed it all hook line and sinker.'

Most sensible thing I have seen you write! :)

And the scary thing is you are possibly not joking.

There is this every growing tin hat/conspiracy theory stuff everywhere these days, Covid, non political on the right, but yes the left too.

It's like when people's AFL team is losing it's always the umpires fault, especially if the free kick count isn't exactly equal, cause apparently it should be.

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GuySmiley Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 7:58pm

“I didn't see this but interesting, in WA the religious right have taken over the Liberal party it was the major reason they got smashed by McGowan really messy stuff.

I was wondering if the pre-selection issues were about the religious right being brought in by Morrison.“

The religious right’s infiltration of the Liberal Party in Vic and NSW is behind the infighting bubbling away barely hidden atm.

Off course this infighting will go nuclear if and when the LNP lose

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Robwilliams Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 8:24pm

Something like a pentecostal crusade with something of a comic babbling satanist at the helm. Cults and sects grow in times of uncertainty. Should be interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

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andy-mac Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 9:10pm
GuySmiley wrote:
“I didn't see this but interesting, in WA the religious right have taken over the Liberal party it was the major reason they got smashed by McGowan really messy stuff.

I was wondering if the pre-selection issues were about the religious right being brought in by Morrison.“

The religious right’s infiltration of the Liberal Party in Vic and NSW is behind the infighting bubbling away barely hidden atm.

Off course this infighting will go nuclear if and when the LNP lose[/quote

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate

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andy-mac Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 9:14pm
andy-mac][quote=GuySmiley wrote:

“I didn't see this but interesting, in WA the religious right have taken over the Liberal party it was the major reason they got smashed by McGowan really messy stuff.

I was wondering if the pre-selection issues were about the religious right being brought in by Morrison.“

The religious right’s infiltration of the Liberal Party in Vic and NSW is behind the infighting bubbling away barely hidden atm.

Off course this infighting will go nuclear if and when the LNP lose[/quote

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate

Just lefty conspiracy stuff....
Lay ya hands on me...

https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/04/27/scott-morrison-and-the-seven-mounta...

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andy-mac Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 9:21pm
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GuySmiley Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 10:16pm

@info said “Fuck me dead, you have a knack for unearthing the most obscure dodgy media website's ......”

#irony
#selfawareness
#wtf
#potkettle
#gotamirror

wait a minute, you got a gig at the Melb Comedy Festival @info?

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truebluebasher Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 10:46pm

Hot Tip...AEC invite all Vaxed / Unvaxed to vote but Enrolment is Closed.
Some AEC Voting Booths require QR Check in + Masks + SD (Check it!)
https://www.aec.gov.au/election/covid19-safety-measures.htm

Meaning : Venues have max capacity > Queues will grow larger in heat'n'rain & move slower.
Ask AEC : ("Yes! Undoubtedly the voting process will take longer!")
We saw this with the Covid test queues & AEC queues will be News of the day!
More than that...when working voters are turned away...all hell will break loose at days end. (Not pretty!)

tbb has run 2 family elections also a scrutineer + daughter was an AEC booth worker.
Can provide some insight to keep yer family safe before 2022 angry voters blow up the Booths.

Firstly!
2019 > 4 million voted ahead...gotta consider this will grow.
Postal or pre Poll Voters will sort themselves (Note: Online Forms > cut off Wed 18th May Post)

Phase 1 (Priority Voterz)
*[+] Flu Voterz are mandated to vote over the Phone ( tbb read the cut off is also Wed 18th May.)
*[+] Flu Poll / Phone Rego > https://www.aec.gov.au/election/blv.htm
{Important} AEC say this is an essential but painfully slow service with longer wait than booths!
*AEC Teams will boycott 100,000 Hospital Patients + Age Care > re: Pre Poll is recommended.
*Some mobile booths will service the remote sick or institutional voters.

Unvaxed Voterz (vs) VIP Booths
*Despite No Vax Mandate > AEC "expects" (Could also be!) VIP Check in Booths!
*Electorates are not mandated to supply optional venues to Covid Safe Booths.
*This is mean & tricky... as Unvaxed can Vote, but only if Town Venue allows Unvaxed entry to Vote.
*Unvaxed may need to seek or consider Voting in neighbouring electorate! (Plan Early!)
*AEC are not providing 'larger SD capacity' booths to cater for Covid Safe.
*AEC are not providing 'extra booths' for Covid Safe growing spillover queues.
*There are 'no extra voting hours' provided to cater for Covid Safe delays ( 8am-6pm) Same as Usual!
*This was double checked as Endless Ads for Vote Count crews to come on at 7:00pm...as usual

*Unvaxed booths may be few & hence the delayed outcasts will rise up as closing time denies them.
*Unvaxed might check VIP venues prior to Wed cut off...(Hesitant = #1 VIP risk > Essential Phone option)

*AEC sanitize 120,000 Covid infected pencils or throw them out...(Arvo Voters should BYO pencil)
*Bring a Mask & Ask if yer Pop can Vote Commando...they may need Grandkidz to check them in!
*Vote early & often or allow much, much extra time for last call...or ya may not get in (Ask AEC.)
*AEC can deploy ADF if things get outta hand...as they likely will...Run...They're not Rubber Bullets!

News : "Lowest ever support for combined minor parties ever recorded 36% Labor & 35%

Daggy Dad : "A vote for these minor... eh! ('Wot!')... sorry...'Major' (29%) parties...
...Is a Vote for Instability & uncertainty...such aspirational policies have no place in Australia!"

"As usual we solemnly do swear to rule out cross-bench deals with rag tag Independents!"
"As usual...we'll break our first promise to form Government with first Independent... (Here! Here!)"

PS :Crew recall that AEC workers have SD counting room capacity...surrounded by armed faceless men.

Scaremongering Poll : Minor Super Power Parties apologize for crushing [ Alp / NP / Lib ] Coalition.

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Sheepdog Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 10:41pm

Aged pensioners ALREADY put on cashless welfare.
Morrison accused labor of lying and scaring seniors about them being put on the cashless welfare card. Thing is, he's already doing it.
Below is a link to a speakers ruling on misleading the house in Qld parliament. Note opening paragraph 5,
"The Member further argued that aged
pensioners are excluded from mandatory
participation in 5 out of 6 of the trial
locations, and that a pensioner can only be
forced onto the card if they reside in Cape
York and are referred by a state agency"...................................... 5 out of 6? Sooooooo there's an area where if ordered by the state, aged pensioners are put on cashless welfare....

Note page 6 - "The Bill makes it elear that current legislation prevents any age pensioners being forcibly moved onto cashless debit cards, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF AGED PENSIONERS in Cape York who have been REFERRED to the program by a STATE AGENCY."

Also note page 11.
In final, it can't be considered a scare campaign if aged pensioners are already being ordered "by the state" to go on a cashless card.

https://documents.parliament.qld.gov.au/tp/2022/5722T222-9761.pdf

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 12:22am

Card = 1st Nation, Disability Support Pensioners, Pensioner (Trials), Carers, Students, Job Seekers.
Feb 2020.
Ruston : "After regional work with Banks, that could impose curbs on Welfare recipients in Major Cities."
"Absolutely a case for Card in Major Cities given regional trials!"
"Reason we haven't done it, as we need to sort the Tech, which we are close to resolving!"
"It does need to be rolled out & that's the conversation Oz needs to have over coming months.
*(Then Covid had a bigger say...)
Looks & sounds like Big End Rort Card is long overdue & first on the Lib's list, post Election.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/financial-literacy-tool-bid-to-t...

SEQ Logan Cashless Society canvassed sister Cashless Fraser Coast Region...
These are not First Nation communities ... not that it matters.

tbb was asked to share this...(Vid / Story)
https://www.facebook.com/pg/nowelfarecardlogan/posts/

Q: Has the Card been good for our Fraser Coast Community.

Mother : "I have trouble paying the Rent due to the Card. Landlord gets frustrated with Card payments.
So my Son & I were evicted."

(Common with the Card!) Impossible to re rent > "Another One of Those Cashless scum buckets!"

Mother:
"No House, resorted to a Room for $80 / wk...can't pay rent with cash & gonna be evicted from here too.
I'm holding on by a thread, behind in rent due to the Card.
I resorted to giving my Landlord my Card to buy food & shopping to the worth of my rent.
No! My son is no longer with me.
Had a lot of stress from rental issues due to The Card...impacted on my situation.
My Son was taken from my care!"

Worth Repeating...
Mother & child had a Home & had a Life.
(Gets gifted a magical Govt Card) Loses her Home > Landlord Steals her Card > Govt Steals her Kid.
Oz calls that The Stolen Generation...already done that one...popular it was...ain't no denying that!

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Roadkill Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 7:48am

And now Perrottet is out against biological men competing in women’s events. The woke media seem to be picking this as a real election issue.

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thermalben Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 8:02am

Annabel Crabb wrote a great article about all of this on Monday.

"And of course in the middle of all that, we've still somehow made room to have a refreshingly pointless shoutfest about the participation of trans women in women's sport, a matter about which no party seeking election is proposing to legislate or indeed do anything at all, but what a lovely ranty topic it is to be tossed about by opinionated folk, none of whom have to clean up any of the mess this sort of fissile bloviation creates in the real lives of real people."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-18/election-2022-morrison-albanese-b...

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mattlock Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 8:12am

Good article Ben.
Poor fella my country.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 8:38am

Ha ha here we go again like clock work the old Labor lies of pensioners being forced onto cashless wealth fare cards.

Seriously you would have to have half a brain to believe this, for a start it would be close to pointless, there isn't a problem with pensioners blowing their money on drugs or alcohol and the kids going hungry because there is no money left for food (yes their kids are grown up and gone), and obviously it would be election suicide.

Just because the option is available to some pensioners is some areas, means little even if available for all pensioners some would see it as a benefit to budget but despite the conspiracy theories obviously no government would ever make it mandatory, they would get voted out even for suggesting it, rather it's a scheme aimed at wealth fare recipients who blow their money on drugs/alcohol/gambling which causes social issues like kids going without food or defaulting on rent or bills etc. (which is generally the root cause of domestic violence issues, alcohol and money issues)


Great website this https://www.laborlies.com.au/

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Michael Adam Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 8:40am

Labor loves lockdowns. We know this much.

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"We are seeking...to put all income management onto the universal platform which is the cashless debit card"
Anne Ruston, Minister for Social Services on 7 News, Feb.2020
Who's lying Indo?

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jwithay Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 9:16am

Guide Dogs Australia, more specifically Victoria, appear to have stepped in it big time with their CEO's public endorsement of Frydenberg - distributed on fliers throughout Kooyong. Questions as to whether this breaches charity regulations and possibly their own charter. Will be interesting to see the fallout from this. Whatever the outcome, it surely doesn't serve to help those who benefit from their work.

https://twitter.com/burner_election/status/1516398538569428994?cxt=HHwWhMDR1fibqosqAAAA

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jwithay Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 9:19am
adam12 wrote:

"We are seeking...to put all income management onto the universal platform which is the cashless debit card"
Anne Ruston, Minister for Social Services on 7 News, Feb.2020
Who's lying Indo?

Straight from the horses mouth

https://twitter.com/vanbadham/status/1516276091022831620

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andy-mac Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 9:30am
indo-dreaming wrote:

Ha ha here we go again like clock work the old Labor lies of pensioners being forced onto cashless wealth fare cards.

Seriously you would have to have half a brain to believe this, for a start it would be close to pointless, there isn't a problem with pensioners blowing their money on drugs or alcohol and the kids going hungry because there is no money left for food (yes their kids are grown up and gone), and obviously it would be election suicide.

Just because the option is available to some pensioners is some areas, means little even if available for all pensioners some would see it as a benefit to budget but despite the conspiracy theories obviously no government would ever make it mandatory, they would get voted out even for suggesting it, rather it's a scheme aimed at wealth fare recipients who blow their money on drugs/alcohol/gambling which causes social issues like kids going without food or defaulting on rent or bills etc. (which is generally the root cause of domestic violence issues, alcohol and money issues)


Great website this https://www.laborlies.com.au/

Anyone with self aware does not think which party lies, they know ..
Guessing some little spogs from young liberals put that site together between making and posting racist videos...
Nice bunch LNP....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/11766702

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/national/neo-nazi-unmaske...

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andy-mac Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 9:39am

Re China Solomon islands deals...
Well done good work.
I guess though when you have ex PM, present PM and the Dutts joking about your country going under water and cutting aid to Pacific countries over the last decade, those countries may not wish to hold you in much esteem.
But hey, they stopped the boats...

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Hiccups Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 9:40am

"wealth fare" lol

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Supafreak Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 10:30am

Scott Morrison Party promised an ICAC before this election, Scott Morrison Party also promises that the aged pension won’t become part of the indue system even though he considers the aged pension to be a welfare payment . Who benefits most from the indue card ? Those on welfare or the private company that is the administrator for this rort ? 1-A75007-F-0-B21-42-EF-BE3-A-5-FA6934-B3456

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Supafreak Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 11:05am
andy-mac wrote:

Re China Solomon islands deals...
Well done good work.
I guess though when you have ex PM, present PM and the Dutts joking about your country going under water and cutting aid to Pacific countries over the last decade, those countries may not wish to hold you in much esteem.
But hey, they stopped the boats...

They didn’t stop the boat that counted the most though , I’m sure many families will never forget the Ruby Princess .

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 2:43pm
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"We are seeking...to put all income management onto the universal platform which is the cashless debit card"
Anne Ruston, Minister for Social Services on 7 News, Feb.2020
Who's lying Indo?

Okay three seperate media sources fact checking the claims find it false.

"Claim aged pensioners will be put on cashless debit cards is due for retirement"

"THE VERDICT

There is no evidence the coalition government wants to put all age pensioners on cashless welfare cards. By law, no age pensioners can be forced onto the cards outside of Cape York, and extending the scheme to this group would require changed legislation and majority support in parliament.

Families and social services minister Anne Ruston has said on multiple occasions that the government will not require all age pensioners to use the cards.

False – The claim is inaccurate."
https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/claim-aged-pensioners-will-be-put-on-ca...

And again ABC

"Labor says the Coalition has a plan to expand the cashless debit card to age pensioners. Is there any evidence?

The bottom line

Expanding the cashless debit card system to age pensioners is not currently part of the Coalition's official policy platform, nor was Fact Check able to find any evidence to suggest it plans to do so."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-24/fact-check-cashless-debit-card-el...

Even left wing bias media The Guardian admits

"Factcheck: is there any truth to scare campaigns about the cashless debit card and retiree tax?
Is the cashless debit card claim true?

Ruston really did say that, but her comments were referring to moving existing welfare recipients on income management off the basics card and onto the cashless debit card. The latter is accepted at more retailers and works like a normal debit card, unless a person is trying to buy blocked products like alcohol or gambling.

In the same month Ruston said: “The Morrison government will not force age pensioners onto the cashless debit card. We were never going to, and never will.”

Verdict: Although at one time the Coalition left this open, it has since ruled it out."
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/18/factcheck-is-ther...

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Supafreak Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 2:59pm

Wouldn’t the money used to pay a private company for the administration of an indue card to anyone on welfare be better used by helping those living under the poverty line ? Or do you prefer to see mates of the Scott Morrison Party get a go for having a go ?

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andy-mac Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 3:19pm

Yeah I would trust LNP to keep their core and non core promises.

Tony Abbott tells the SBS there will be "no cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change to pensions, no change to the GST and no cuts to the ABC or SBS" under a Coalition government

Don't think, I know.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 3:42pm
Supafreak wrote:

Wouldn’t the money used to pay a private company for the administration of an indue card to anyone on welfare be better used by helping those living under the poverty line ? Or do you prefer to see mates of the Scott Morrison Party get a go for having a go ?

It's about much more than money, it's about trying to combat issues around domestic violence, generally towards women and children and trying to change and break negative behaviour patterns in social disadvantaged community's with high levels of welfare dependency.

Almost always the root cause of most domestic violence issues in social disadvantaged communities is related to money issues or alcohol/drugs or both.

Often one partner blows money that is suppose to be for rent, bills, food etc on alcohol, drugs, gambling.

The effect of this happening is generally other members of the family suffer, going without food, not being able to pay rent, pay bills, often its the kids that suffer the most going hungry or have to go to school poorly clothed etc often resulting in bullying.

Those who have blown the money often when drunk or on drugs also often abuse the partner or kids, both physically, mentally or even sexually, or often once they come down and feel like shit having blown all the money on piss or pokies etc becomes frustrated and takes it out on partner or kids.

There is no easy answers towards these issues and the cards aren't fool proof, but aiming to ensure the money actually goes where it should like, putting food in kids stomaches, clothing them, paying the rent and bills is and reducing financial stress and abuse of alcohol and drugs is a positive thing.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 3:39pm

Indo….please tell me you dont support a cashless welfare card.

Please. That’s the very bottom of the barrel.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 3:58pm
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

Indo….please tell me you dont support a cashless welfare card.

Please. That’s the very bottom of the barrel.

I 100% support the cards for certain circumstances, communities where there is high levels of welfare dependency and high levels of alcohol, drug abuse, gambling or high levels of domestic violence. (like Cape York)

Id also support a system where a person after a certain period on the dole goes onto the card for example after 24 months, or where a person on the dole has a history of bad money management or other issues.

Id also support a system where anyone on any benefit can volunteer to go on the card, as many people just can't manage money and might want a card to help them, in the same way people set up direct debits or payment schemes.

As I've said before i was on the dole for quite some time, while i was pretty good with money, i knew others on the dole that weren't, and them not being able to manage money often became mine and others problem, flat mates with no money left for rent or bills always wanting to borrow money, i had one mate that always use to blow all his dole money on pokies, it become so much of a problem his mates had to contact his parents in Tassie and get him to go home as his issues with money and gambling was ruining friendships.

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batfink Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 4:03pm

Did anyone else see Dutton in his interview with Laura Tingle the other night?

Was like a different man. He actually answered questions and completely toned down his bully boy demeanour. He sounded positively Prime Ministerial!

My wife and I were in different houses that night, she also watched it and when I talked to her about it she had the same reaction.

Sorry, just dropped in to say that, thought it was most illuminating. So far I’ve put about 10 different interpretations on it. Almost certainly 9 are wrong, and probably 10.

I’ll go now.

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Optimist Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 4:21pm

I’d miss the Dutton guard dog if they got voted out…love the Dutton dog …ruff…chuckin lots of bad guys out of the country …our crime rate is dropping …NZ and Lebanon’s is rising ha ha.
The cashless welfare card is a dog idea. Let a court assign it to a habitual offender of a family’s money maybe …but to a postcode?…. Nope that’s a humiliating thing to do to a regions people and relying on a flawed eftpos system even worse….pay cash…save the currency….tell the banks and companies and Govts. to stick their cards.

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Optimist Wednesday, 20 Apr 2022 at 5:05pm

He’d say stop cross dressing facto / Constance ….it’s confusion.