2022 Election
So has anyone got a solution to how we are going to fill vacancies in the area’s that are struggling to find suitable staff ? More money and training is not going to fill all the vacancies .
A lot of businesses need to die. A community doesn’t need to bulldoze remnant bush land and overwhelm local infrastructure to house the imported employees of the superfluous half dozen cafes, hairdressers and restaurants lining their streets.
Recognising the still viable contributions of older Aussies without endangering their pensions will go a long way. I do think that fair pay, conditions and the wholesale demonisation of the gig employment model will sort the rest. Skilling Australians is existential, not just a temporary stop gap.
Immigration doesn’t have to fall to zero and nor should it. The current negotiation tactic of business and lobbyists presenting a 160K floor on immigration numbers needs to be binned with extreme prejudice.
Trashing Australia to fit the Neoliberal globalisation model isn’t fait accompli. It’s not the solution to our current situation, it’s the cause.
the thing is garyg1412, as you said, none of this will even kick in for another 12 months or so...
so... if current policies to kerb inflation work... australia will be a very different place in 12 - 18 months, where even MORE over the top migration, on top of DECADES of it, will flow at a time when its not going to be very desired / required / palatable...
if current inflation policies don't work...
well, australia will be bordering on unliveable for many... still with a tightening labour market... and an ever increasing / outrageous cost of housing...
not really a recipe for a vibrant migrant harmony...
especially when many people are already under such pressures - in these supposed boom times...
most people accept we desperately need some skilled migration, however the now over the top emphasis on permanent migration is reckless and terribly lacking of forsight
not to mention contrary to other policies
labor are over reacting to morrisons temporary migrant pandemic response, and tickling their ideological fetishes in the process...
as the liberal dude said re. tax cuts, we're in a fast moving fluid scenario where the world has been turned on its head, governments need to be more responsive and flexible
locking in 18 month down the track ideological fetishes is just plain dumb
we see it with the democrats in US, all their policies were penned 3 - 6 years ago, and are just pouring more fuel on an already out of control inflationary fire. labor is behaving very similar on a few policy fronts
instead of being quick to act and responsive in a modern all over the shop world, they're still reacting (reactionaries) to the masiive pre pandemic polical shift bomb that went off before it
ir's not wholey a left / right thing, its more about governments are entreched-ingly slow to change, in an fast paced changing world that is currently in a seriously out of control flux stage that's off the charts, due to technology combined with a landslide of recent major events
however, left governments seem particularly slow and reluctant to change, as they just appear plain stubborn once they get their hands on the redistribution levers... and their policies and ideas seem terribly dated / clueless / out of touch, before they even break into the office
"So has anyone got a solution to how we are going to fill vacancies in the area’s that are struggling to find suitable staff ? More money and training is not going to fill all the vacancies ."
temporary migration with incentives
not wholesale permanent residency marketing
we've been there done that
and what blowin said...
the reality is, the whole of economy / society is well overdue a reality check
the model is broken, has been for some time...
the new school 'reactionaries' seem to have all sorts of issues with 'acceptance' and 'denial'
The other thing to remember about these alleged skills shortage problem is that they’re predicated on modelling built around the mass immigration scenario required to solve ….the problem caused by the solution.
It’s the classic circular logic of the Ponzi ie We need more trucks to build the roads needed to carry more trucks.
In this instance it’s a case of “ We need more immigrants to build the infrastructure, housing and health welfare of a population growing due to more immigration.”
It’s a lie. A well presented and oft repeated lie perpetuated by institutions we used to be able to trust. It’s all still a fucken great big lie.
The endless growth model is a sham which destroys pretty much everything of value for regular Australians and it’s presented as an inviolable and unavoidable reality. It’s not, it’s just a way to enrich and empower psychopathic greedy cnts at the expense of everyone else.
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:… The endless growth model is a sham which destroys pretty much everything of value for regular Australians and it’s presented as an inviolable and unavoidable reality. It’s not, it’s just a way to enrich and empower psychopathic greedy cnts at the expense of everyone else.
That may very well be so but with Russia and China, we’re evidently squarely in the middle of the most strategically challenging international security environment since the Cold War.
Actually with the rise of China, there seems to be a lot of parallels between now and the lead up to world war 1 (compare with the rise of Germany)?
I also can’t help but contrast between the Gorbachev-Xiaoping era when there was hope that the totalitarian-communist world to transition away from that (albeit painfully, as expected), and now the Putin-Xi era of increasing totalitarian rule, reversing much of what Gorbachev and Xiaoping started, and the increasing assertive military ambition…
It seems that we in Australia now need to go all out economic and population growth, R&D and technological advance, political power and influence, and military buildup and spending as a % of gdp, etc, just to avoid becoming a hole in the ground?
And it seems that we don’t necessarily need to do this just to “play our part” in the free world but instead for our own ability to defend ourselves?
If you moved to India for economic reasons and two years later India went to war would you fight or return to Australia?
If you moved from China to Australia for economic reasons and two years later China attacked Australia would you pick up a rifle and start shooting Chinese soldiers?
That’s before we even talk about whether they Chinese here would consider turning a gun on Australians.
I know, I know….that’s far fetched. There’s no chance that a percentage of the million plus Chinese immigrants in Australia would prefer to fight for China. That thinking is obviously racist!
It’s way too Xtreme racist to suggest that China would have the initiative, inclination or foresight to seed Australia with a fifth column of fighting aged males and spies hidden amongst the Chinese Australian community. They would never stoop to such unfair tactics just to win a war.
Actually it’s not far fetched at all.
It’s actually the main way ancient Chinese civilisation - the Han Chinese culture - spread from the Yellow and Yangtze River civilisations starting a few thousand yes ago to the greater China region as we know it in recent times.
They would transplant and settle large Han populations across greater China and assimilate the existing peoples into Han Chinese culture, often by force from within. The Chinese have been doing it for a few thousand years.
funny you mention Gorbachev. on the way home listening to RN they quoted Mikhail Gorbachev:
“I believe in the cosmos. All of us are linked to the cosmos. So nature is my god. To me, nature is sacred. Trees are my temples and forests are my cathedrals. Being at one with nature.”
what's the point of importing mass bodies as (economic) soldiers to defend a country that has destroyed its host so much so that it no longer has the capacity to support its inhabitants for the future.
“I believe in the cosmos. All of us are linked to the cosmos. So nature is my god. To me, nature is sacred. Trees are my temples and forests are my cathedrals. Being at one with nature.”
What a better world it would be if we all lived with this belief.... One.
Om Mani Padme Um.....
Is the real reason that spud & suzi aren’t fronting up to the jobs summit because they know that their party is responsible for the position we find ourselves in today ?
We’ve been told for decades that ‘user pays’ for child care, vocational education & higher ed was essential to economic efficiency…but most now agree we need free nursing degrees, free VET and free childcare. Neoliberalism was wrong #auspol https://t.co/zVQUxmAAfS
— Richard Denniss (@RDNS_TAI) September 2, 2022
Supafreak wrote:Is the real reason that spud & suzi aren’t fronting up to the jobs summit because they know that their party is responsible for the position we find ourselves in today ?
100% it's LNP fault we have the lowest unemployment rate in close to 50 years and guess what comes with this?
Yep a shortage of workers both skilled and unskilled.
But don't worry there will be good supply of skilled and unskilled workers looking for jobs in a few years under Labor when unemployment rates are high again.
Delusional as usual
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Good move Labor, morriscum and the GG won’t be happy . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-07/albanese-government-scraps-fundin...
Supafreak wrote:Good move Labor, morriscum and the GG won’t be happy . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-07/albanese-government-scraps-fundin...
"The foundation, which had never run a leadership program and had no website or staff, was granted $18 million dollars in the Morrison government's March budget."
"Questions had been raised about why a foundation with no record of running leadership programs was awarded the cash with no competitive grants process."
#bettereconomicmanagers
stunet wrote:Supafreak wrote:Good move Labor, morriscum and the GG won’t be happy . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-07/albanese-government-scraps-fundin...
"The foundation, which had never run a leadership program and had no website or staff, was granted $18 million dollars in the Morrison government's March budget."
"Questions had been raised about why a foundation with no record of running leadership programs was awarded the cash with no competitive grants process."
#bettereconomicmanagers
Another thing that needs a serious looking into with any ICAC. Geez they are going to be busy!
andy-mac wrote:stunet wrote:Supafreak wrote:Good move Labor, morriscum and the GG won’t be happy . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-07/albanese-government-scraps-fundin...
"The foundation, which had never run a leadership program and had no website or staff, was granted $18 million dollars in the Morrison government's March budget."
"Questions had been raised about why a foundation with no record of running leadership programs was awarded the cash with no competitive grants process."
#bettereconomicmanagers
Another thing that needs a serious looking into with any ICAC. Geez they are going to be busy!
18 million for the first 5 years then 4 million a year after that . Be nice to see how morriscum came up with these costing figures. Can just imagine the candidates that the GG and Scumo wanted to groom as future leaders. They certainly wouldn’t have been from public schools .
Supafreak wrote:andy-mac wrote:stunet wrote:Supafreak wrote:Good move Labor, morriscum and the GG won’t be happy . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-07/albanese-government-scraps-fundin...
"The foundation, which had never run a leadership program and had no website or staff, was granted $18 million dollars in the Morrison government's March budget."
"Questions had been raised about why a foundation with no record of running leadership programs was awarded the cash with no competitive grants process."
#bettereconomicmanagers
Another thing that needs a serious looking into with any ICAC. Geez they are going to be busy!
18 million for the first 5 years then 4 million a year after that . Be nice to see how morriscum came up with these costing figures. Can just imagine the candidates that the GG and Scumo wanted to groom as future leaders. They certainly wouldn’t have been from public schools .
“ The foundation planned to establish leadership programs for emerging mid-career leaders.”
Porky B is mid career at the mo. Prime candidate for a no questions asked handout?
Vic Parliament Royal meltdown procedure...
Mourning of our Queen Elizabeth II to affirmation of King Charles III ...
(The Full Monty!)
3rd June 2022 tbb : https://www.swellnet.com/comment/838909
This is also a pretty good guide...
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7760784/one-parliament-to-pause-o...
Crew probably wanna race things along...
Tip : Queen's mourning period lasts 10 days & not a second less!
Only after the Queen's Funeral can Vic Pollies swear in under their new King!
Until then...enjoy yer Right Royal Lockdown!
Clive Palmer deregisters United Australia Party but his only senator may continue using the name https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/clive-palmer-deregisters-united-aust.... He probably didn’t want to go on without morriscum at the helm.
Scott Morrison signs on with global political network home to ‘intolerant far right’ https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2022/09/14/scott-morrison-far-r...
Time to let go Supa.
Supafreak wrote:Scott Morrison signs on with global political network home to ‘intolerant far right’ https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2022/09/14/scott-morrison-far-r...
Reactionary cunning stunt
GuySmiley wrote:Supafreak wrote:Scott Morrison signs on with global political network home to ‘intolerant far right’ https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2022/09/14/scott-morrison-far-r...
Reactionary cunning stunt
Who knew Scott was a proud boy ?
Supafreak wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Supafreak wrote:Scott Morrison signs on with global political network home to ‘intolerant far right’ https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2022/09/14/scott-morrison-far-r...
Reactionary cunning stunt
Who knew Scott was a proud boy ?
Bankrupted ideology for decades morphed into cheap populism
Supafreak wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Supafreak wrote:Scott Morrison signs on with global political network home to ‘intolerant far right’ https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2022/09/14/scott-morrison-far-r...
Reactionary cunning stunt
Who knew Scott was a proud boy ?
Bankrupted ideology for decades morphed into cheap popularism
Supafreak wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Supafreak wrote:Scott Morrison signs on with global political network home to ‘intolerant far right’ https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2022/09/14/scott-morrison-far-r...
Reactionary cunning stunt
Who knew Scott was a proud boy ?
What a POS!
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Scotty had been lying again. Geez I hope an ICAC nails him....
Supafreak wrote:Scott Morrison signs on with global political network home to ‘intolerant far right’ https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2022/09/14/scott-morrison-far-r...
On a side note, the article talks about Orban a fair bit. Despite some obvious issues, Orban remains an extremely popular character, both within Hungary and abroad. Nationalism is definitely on the rise in Europe and Orban positioned himself as one of the leaders of the pack. I see more people gravitating towards him. It's not good and it's quite scary actually.
Federal ICAC legislation is ready to roll ….
https://www.theage.com.au/national/finally-a-fully-cooked-federal-corrup...
GuySmiley wrote:Federal ICAC legislation is ready to roll ….
https://www.theage.com.au/national/finally-a-fully-cooked-federal-corrup...
It will be interesting to see who opposes this and their reasons for doing so .
Great start.
Would be good to see what penalties they could impose and whether they could be given retrospective powers and the time frame.
All said and done, way overdue.
GuySmiley wrote:Federal ICAC legislation is ready to roll ….
https://www.theage.com.au/national/finally-a-fully-cooked-federal-corrup...
Excellent, looks good at this stage and with Haines recommendations added, retrospective powers, and proper funding funding, it will be a game changer in Australian politics.
Wonder what can of worms this will open, as I'm sure there are some worms squirming now....
“Jacqui Lambie has accused Labor of betraying its values by proceeding with the planned stage three tax cuts while refusing to lift the JobSeeker payment, and urged “lazy voters” to blow up the major party system by deliberately voting against sitting MPs.”
Lambie telling it how it is.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/lambie-shames-labor-over-tax-...
AndyM wrote:“Jacqui Lambie has accused Labor of betraying its values by proceeding with the planned stage three tax cuts while refusing to lift the JobSeeker payment, and urged “lazy voters” to blow up the major party system by deliberately voting against sitting MPs.”
Lambie telling it how it is.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/lambie-shames-labor-over-tax-...
Be interesting to know why lambie is speaking up now ? Admits she voted for it but didn’t say anything until labor came to power , that seems a bit strange . Most doubt Labor will go ahead with it in 2024 , it will be an election issue for sure .
Supafreak wrote:AndyM wrote:“Jacqui Lambie has accused Labor of betraying its values by proceeding with the planned stage three tax cuts while refusing to lift the JobSeeker payment, and urged “lazy voters” to blow up the major party system by deliberately voting against sitting MPs.”
Lambie telling it how it is.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/lambie-shames-labor-over-tax-...
Be interesting to know why lambie is speaking up now ? Admits she voted for it but didn’t say anything until labor came to power , that seems a bit strange . Most doubt Labor will go ahead with it in 2024 , it will be an election issue for sure .
Lambie is really just a populist looking for attention. If she voted for it at the time, why is she speaking up now. Hypocrite? Just join LNP Jacqui....
No comment on the message itself??
I reckon Lambie's comment is on the money, as is AndyMac's assessment of her.
So many good social and economic reasons why the tax cuts shouldn’t go ahead it’s hard to see a credible Labor government proceeding with them so we shall see.
More broadly we need much greater reform of the tax system and the economy as a whole so again we shall see what appetite the ALP has to be a notable govt or bench warmer.
Incremental change is safe but the country needs boldness after the last decade of wasted opportunity.
What’s worse, a party that’s ossified and does a great line in crony capitalism, or a windvane populist?
AndyM wrote:What’s worse, a party that’s ossified and does a great line in crony capitalism, or a windvane populist?
It would be nice to have an alternative to both.
The populist never has to worry about being accountable beyond the next election, no need for anything as tricky as workable policies. The crony capitalists have to sell out just to get elected. It's all a bit depressing.
AndyM wrote:No comment on the message itself??
The tax cuts do not come into effect until 2024. Let's see what happens. Yes if Labor let them happen without any modifications, they are selling out. They should not go ahead.
My theory/ hope is they are playing long game and will keep resisting until pressure from media, populace and other political players becomes strong where they can drop them, or modify them without giving LNP, Murdoch etc ammunition to attack breaking election promise etc.
I could be wrong, but no need to do it now as still over a year before they come into effect.
blackers wrote:AndyM wrote:What’s worse, a party that’s ossified and does a great line in crony capitalism, or a windvane populist?
It would be nice to have an alternative to both.
The populist never has to worry about being accountable beyond the next election, no need for anything as tricky as workable policies. The crony capitalists have to sell out just to get elected. It's all a bit depressing.
Nice little aphorisms there Blackers.
I would say though that by definition populism isn't necessarily a bad thing.
It is a bit depressing at times but I do think the cat is out of the bag with regards to what the two majors actually represent, so I think they have to change or they will continue to lose power.
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AndyM wrote:blackers wrote:AndyM wrote:What’s worse, a party that’s ossified and does a great line in crony capitalism, or a windvane populist?
It would be nice to have an alternative to both.
The populist never has to worry about being accountable beyond the next election, no need for anything as tricky as workable policies. The crony capitalists have to sell out just to get elected. It's all a bit depressing.Nice little aphorisms there Blackers.
I would say though that by definition populism isn't necessarily a bad thing.
It is a bit depressing at times but I do think the cat is out of the bag with regards to what the two majors actually represent, so I think they have to change or they will continue to lose power.
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Putting the LNP and Labor into the same category is ridiculous. They may tow the line in many areas but when it comes to health, Medicare, education, ICAC, progressive causes, proper parliament and good governance, they are leagues ahead of Tories....
Geez Albo has done more good for Australia in less than 6 months than the previous corrupt Muppets did in 10 years .... But that would be by design as Mathias boasted about keeping wages low.
Labor is preferable to the LNP, no doubt - ICAC, Indigenous voice, "progressive causes" etc.
Great stuff.
But.
Labor is still a neoliberal party, there's just no avoiding this.
If you're looking for them to address wealth inequality, the housing crisis, use of fossil fuels, well you might be waiting a while.
Everything they do is within the confines of neoliberalism and as such, despite "socially progressive" efforts, they are still in reality, a centre right party with all that entails.
It might even be worthwhile going over what neoliberalism actually is.
"Common to all definitions of neoliberalism is its affirmation of the superior effi
cacy of self-regulated or ‘free’ markets over government intervention.
Policy positions following from this stance include privatisation and a more general reduction of public provision, a preference for reduction of taxation and public expenditure, the elevation of inflation targeting over full employment and a restriction of government regulation.
Class-based analyses of neoliberalism focus on policies that privilege the interests of capital by reducing trade union power, increasing the degree of employer prerogative, eradicating the commons and resisting or removing accountability measures that might otherwise allow scrutiny of the decisions of those holding executive management positions.
Neoliberalisation in its implementation is an anti-democratic project.
It is an agenda to depoliticise politics, placing policy in the hands of technical experts or the hidden hand of the market and beyond the scrutiny of public debate."
Labor has shown its true form over not years but decades, we're talking about since the beginning of the Accords in 1983.
Yes they're a damned sight more appealing than the alternative but don't take my word for it, the stats don't lie - the electorate have indeed put "the LNP and Labor into the same category" and are in the process of rejecting them both.
Let me say this very clearly: Labor are not going to deviate from a neoliberal path and will continue to, in a general context, suppress wages and direct profits upwards.
And it will run a mile to avoid addressing industrial relations issues and crucially, to avoid dealing with the rapidly developing class chasms in Australia.
AndyM wrote:Labor is preferable to the LNP, no doubt - ICAC, Indigenous voice, "progressive causes" etc.
Great stuff.
But.
Labor is still a neoliberal party, there's just no avoiding this.
If you're looking for them to address wealth inequality, the housing crisis, use of fossil fuels, well you might be waiting a while.
Everything they do is within the confines of neoliberalism and as such, despite "socially progressive" efforts, they are still in reality, a centre right party with all that entails.It might even be worthwhile going over what neoliberalism actually is.
"Common to all definitions of neoliberalism is its affirmation of the superior effi
cacy of self-regulated or ‘free’ markets over government intervention.
Policy positions following from this stance include privatisation and a more general reduction of public provision, a preference for reduction of taxation and public expenditure, the elevation of inflation targeting over full employment and a restriction of government regulation.
Class-based analyses of neoliberalism focus on policies that privilege the interests of capital by reducing trade union power, increasing the degree of employer prerogative, eradicating the commons and resisting or removing accountability measures that might otherwise allow scrutiny of the decisions of those holding executive management positions.
Neoliberalisation in its implementation is an anti-democratic project.
It is an agenda to depoliticise politics, placing policy in the hands of technical experts or the hidden hand of the market and beyond the scrutiny of public debate."Labor has shown its true form over not years but decades, we're talking about since the beginning of the Accords in 1983.
Yes they're a damned sight more appealing than the alternative but don't take my word for it, the stats don't lie - the electorate have indeed put "the LNP and Labor into the same category" and are in the process of rejecting them both.Let me say this very clearly: Labor are not going to deviate from a neoliberal path and will continue to, in a general context, suppress wages and direct profits upwards.
And it will run a mile to avoid addressing industrial relations issues and crucially, to avoid dealing with the rapidly developing class chasms in Australia.
Yep I got to agree with that. Change will come slow, if at all. Hopefully independents etc can reverse course, but in essence I agree with your analysis. My point is though Labor are the better party to have in government. It's a pity we don't follow the positive aspects of Scandinavian model. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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