Australia - you're standing in it
Another strategy link, this is how submarines were used by the USN in the last Pacific conflict to choke off Japan's maritime trade, and win the war:
old-dog wrote:What better place for a nuclear waste dump than the pristine Eyre Peninsula. Come to S.A. the glow in the dark state, two heads are better than one.
I was always concerned they'd build a port at Oakagee, then in an IO bust it would turn into a terminus for said waste. Thankfully, no port yet.
One note on being an island power. I can think of two others in recent history: the UK, and Japan. In both cases, when independent you are going to need very strong sea power if you wish to remain sovereign. 1588, 1805, 1940 come to mind in the UK perspective. 1274, 1281 for the 'divine wind' saving Japan, and 1945 for when their sea power was broken. Throw in a successful siege breaking effort of Malta by the RN in 1942, and an unsuccessful defence of Singapore, and a successful Solomons/PNG campaign by Australia and allies in 1942-3.
If we are to turn away from the US, maybe more neutral, on our own, we're going to need even more force than these subs. Especially as the world seems to be returning to great power competition.
If you want to be truly independent as an island power, you are going to need a navy bigger than the next two nearest rivals, combined. The Royal Navy achieved this for much of the 'Pax Britannica' of the 19th century (until Imperial Germany build a huge fleet much like China has now) - and this Pax Britannica allowed them to pursue what Lord Salisbury called 'Splendid Isolation'. This was a foreign policy dependent on no alliances. It was bought by the overwhelming guns of the navy.
I'm glad I don't live down Port Adelaide way. That would be the first target in the event of war, although it would get rid of a lot of the Port Power supporters and reduce the crime rate to almost zero.
old-dog wrote:I'm glad I don't live down Port Adelaide way. That would be the first target in the event of war, although it would get rid of a lot of the Port Power supporters and reduce the crime rate to almost zero.
haha!
Harsh but fair.
velocityjohnno wrote:One note on being an island power. I can think of two others in recent history: the UK, and Japan. In both cases, when independent you are going to need very strong sea power if you wish to remain sovereign…..
If we are to turn away from the US, maybe more neutral, on our own, we're going to need even more force than these subs. Especially as the world seems to be returning to great power competition.
If you want to be truly independent as an island power, you are going to need a navy bigger than the next two nearest rivals, combined. .
If Australia wants a sovereign and truly independent defence capability, it’s going to have to stump up far more that 2% of GDP.
And develop a viable industrial, tech and innovation base. Which is a good idea btw.
Who votes for that stuff though? Who actually reaches into their pocket and pays extra for Australian Made?
Me? ;)
Which party is presenting that option!?!
So CIA tells Biden that China will take over Taiwan by 2027 and apparently Australian must join with US in defending Taiwan. Meanwhile Australia can send as much iron ore as they can take. It all makes perfect sense .
Supafreak wrote:So CIA tells Biden that China will take over Taiwan by 2027 and apparently Australian must join with US in defending Taiwan. Meanwhile Australia can send as much iron ore as they can take. It all makes perfect sense .
Cool n normal....
This could really fuck up Australia....
Send Greg Sheridan and Peter Hartcher over to Taiwan on first military intervention, they seem to be the biggest cheer leaders!
etarip wrote:Which party is presenting that option!?!
You mean the option of me reaching into my pocket and paying extra? Jokes.
I know what you mean.
"If Australia wants a sovereign and truly independent defence capability, it’s going to have to stump up far more that 2% of GDP.
And develop a viable industrial, tech and innovation base. Which is a good idea btw."
A party that would develop that kind of policy would be a lot like Australian governments WW2 and postwar. They invested to build and nurture Australian industry, Australian science, create a diversified (not 'diverse') economy that would better withstand shocks to raw materials like they saw as young adults in the 1920's/30's. Compared to other nations, we actually produce the potential trade surpluses to do this.
While I'm at it, throw in proper funding for health, better funding for education so they don't have to become a citizenship ponzi, reduce the immigration to levels the environment can sustain, reduce assistance to property ponzi so housing is affordable for young Australians' family formation, and keep going with the renewable energy, and put in some oil storage tanks in the meantime. Keep capital markets open but be sovereign in what bits do get sold off, and to whom. Establish metrics of overseas ownership. Yeah, let's throw in 100% gold backed reserve banking, cos banking is the flavour of the moment. It'd be really boring with no mad booms, but it'd be a lot more stable and moral - and the constitution defines the only money of the Commonwealth as gold and silver coin iirc.
vote 1 velocity party lol
"vote 1 velocity party lol"
Yep, agree with all that. I've got an even simpler solution. Just tax the rich, and the multi nationals. Even Menzies did that.
Be good too if we could have some cops that arrested Nazis sieg heiling on the steps of Parliament instead of providing them an escort. Slippery slope we are on these days.
Agree VJ. Maybe chuck in a financial transactions tax on applicable to certain types of trading (not legitimate capital raising).
Agree on the financial transactions tax, should not effect mum and dad buying 100BHP, but maybe more HFT. Umm, what more can I add? Accept Ukranian refugees, leave usury for now but review at some stage.
Adam12, did you mean be good if the cops were sieg hailing on the steps of parliament? I don't intend to become dictator for life until after my 2nd term...
velocityjohnno wrote:Agree on the financial transactions tax, should not effect mum and dad buying 100BHP, but maybe more HFT. Umm, what more can I add? Accept Ukranian refugees, leave usury for now but review at some stage.
Adam12, did you mean be good if the cops were sieg hailing on the steps of parliament? I don't intend to become dictator for life until after my 2nd term...
VJ. VOTE 1. VelocityJohnno Party. He’s got my vote for sure. AW.
Ya got a bit of a mess to clean up VJ!
Still a lot of LNP booby traps left by little Johnny....
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-19/ken-henry-australian-economy-mini...
So let me just get this right.
$75Million on a referendum, to include a SINGULAR indigenous voice in parliament.
yet...
$365B on a submarine program WITHOUT a referendum of the Australian taxpayers to decide if that's where they want their money spent.
I see a glaring disparity in political priorities here.
Why no referendum for such an obviously huge decision for Australias future?
And my personal take, is, it's a $365B friendship to keep the big dogs on our side, and we get 6 token submarines as a part of our prize.
I don't think China have ever nor will ever intend to invade us.
I think their history with taiwan and the South China sea, is something we probably need to keep our noses out of.
Or we could, with the U.S invade Russia for belting Ukraine.
It's one or the other.
But that's a lamens perspective.
Been enjoying the commentary and trying to learn more.
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Don’t forget we need the subs to protect the shipping lanes to our trading partners, particularly our biggest trade partners .
Referenda are only held for issues that affect the constitution if I recall correctly.
Indigenous voice directly affects the constitution. It will need a 2/3 majority, in a majority of states to get up I think.
Submarines are not a constitutional issue. So this could only be a plebiscite, but neither side of politics is going to do that on this issue.
Also, and I’m not decided on whether this deal is good value or not myself, the projected timeline for this program is 30+ years, which is what’s costed. That figure needs to be divided by the # of years it’s expected to be spread over. (The chance of this NOT going over budget is close to zero though). It’s still eye-watering. Much of the initial cost will come from the Defence budget. Watch a lot of existing programs get cancelled.
I’m all for the VJ regime. Where do we sign?
Thanks heaps Etarip.
That's why i'm the lamen and you're obviously much more well versed in this topic.
But fundamentally i see this as wrong, when you peel the red tape away.
How can something that affects us all, not be put to at least some kind of a vote, when something that plausibly is just and right, needs to be put to a ridiculous vote.
But i completely understand it from the current legal and constitutional perspective.
Just don't agree with it.
Thanks for the clarity though.
Have been enjoying your posts, as well as GSCO's. Some very differing, but thorough insights. Cheers fellas.
Supafreak wrote:Don’t forget we need the subs to protect the shipping lanes to our trading partners, particularly our biggest trade partners .
Yeah we'd be screwed if China stopped us shipping all that iron ore to them and then started stopping all their exports to us due to the CCP shutting down trade routes....
I too enjoy reading the views from etarip and gsco . Watching insiders this morning I couldn’t believe some of the shit that was being said . Laura Tingle was the only sane journalist amongst that lot .
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-19/keating-wong-china-aukus-subs/102...
Another perspective...
@southern - no worries. I’m glad we can all actually discuss this in a pretty open and mostly respectful way. I learn a shitload from the contributors on these forums. Can’t really follow all the finance talk tho.
Ditto, enjoy reading comments, learning different perspectives and having a venting outlet....
Thanks!
That Stan Grant article covers a lot of ground @andy-mac. Good summary of different takes on the situation.
I will offer two things - a multi-polar world is much more prone to major war. And I don’t think the CCP only aspires to being a ‘global heavyweight’. They want to be THE regional hegemon.
andy-mac wrote:Ya got a bit of a mess to clean up VJ!
Still a lot of LNP booby traps left by little Johnny....from article
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-19/ken-henry-australian-economy-mini...
"He said that pressure could have been released with a resources super profits tax or something similar, with the money reinvested in non-mining parts of the economy to boost productivity there, but it didn't happen.
Instead, governments just "let it rip."
"The collapse in the non-mining investment rate is remarkable," Henry said."
Gosh, what would I do in the case of non-mining investment? Let's say in value-adding. OK - industrial areas/parks with very little land cost and ongoing land cost (decree it!), keep the enviro-regulations, OH&S too because having standards is a good thing, globally. Government sets up conditions of taxation/regulation that encourage value adding enterprises...
(in the late 1970s there were 8 or 9 separate car manufacturers here, on a much smaller population base. The postwar governments had decreed local content rules and encouraged industry)
...and then within these, ensure good training (fund TAFE) and access to even high school programs, to place the locals in technical work within these organisations. Have a national fund of capital to support this (we have this, in the form of industry superannuation funds, or what the Commonwealth Bank was originally set up for: what do they invest in now?). Link CSIRO research into funding models that can be developed here with the supported technical base. Pursue foreign markets. The question will be 'what can we do better' (and Howard favoured mining as we do that better than most)... but we have created many good inventions and our environment selects for practical and rugged solutions to many situations - go with this, for the world values this, too.
make it more profitable potentially than sending the capital over for a punt on an SP500 tracking index...
If you look at some Australian inventions such as JORN or the more recent nano quantum computers, we really do punch above our weight. We even made our own light water reactor, our own design. Historically a lack of capital and falling back on primary production tends to see ideas flee. If you look into the capital support landscape of Silicon Valley (exposed in the bank's demise) you see that it is very liquid and deep - what would an Australian version look like? Melbourne's biomedical industry comes to mind in a way.
We still have a solar panel manufacturer left in Adelaide I think. How did the continent with the most free sun develop such a hostile environment to value-adding? I can still picture our pollies daring GM-H to leave. What needs changing, change.
Watch the productivity per capita figure like a hawk. Set policies to make it go up.
"Henry then told the audience of tax experts that the retreat of non-mining investment from Australia's economy had coincided with two decades of declining average living standards.
And it may have had a significant impact on wages, he said."
That was another good quote from article.
velocityjohnno wrote:"Henry then told the audience of tax experts that the retreat of non-mining investment from Australia's economy had coincided with two decades of declining average living standards.
And it may have had a significant impact on wages, he said."
That was another good quote from article.
You've got my vote mate!
Really was wasted decade/s of mining boom .. profits to a select few, or overseas, with some really well paid Australian workers (,they deserved it). Cancellation of HECS could have helped back in 90's 00's. Young people today slugged with HECS debt, unaffordable housing, insecure job Market and an environment that needs fixing.... Bit of an hospital pass to our younger generation, amazing they even talk to gen X and boomers. ;)
That's without the event of a war with China which would make those points minor...
@ etarip "a multi polar world is much more prone to major war"
Agreed but despite this being pointed out to us throughout history we never seem to learn. Fatal flaw in DNA.
1 Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as they migrated from the east,[a] they came upon a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks and fire them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves; otherwise we shall be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth." 5 The LORD[b] came down to see the city and the tower, which mortals had built. 6 And the LORD said, "Look, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language there, so that they will not understand one another’s speech." 8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore it was called Babel, because there the LORD confused (balal) the language of all the earth, and from there the LORD scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.
— Genesis 11:1–9 NRSVUE[7]
1. "a multi polar world is much more prone to major war"
and:
2. When a formerly unipolar world power actively fights to prevent a muscular multipolar cat escape out of the bag to strut its stuff it is prone to the scratches and bites of proxy wars and risks a major fight in the near term.
But maybe:
3. When some multipolar cats actively try to give each other a bit of space, they tend to mark their territory by pissing in the corners and yowl a lot at night but may manage to avoid a big fight for long periods.
All options can lead to a major fight with differing timings and probabilities that experts can only guess at.
Let’s hope they avoid a fight. Which is what I think you’re trying to say?
Yes of course.
One just wonders if a form of the multipolar world option could be managed in a broadly stable manner, long term, if much more of the energies of the US were directed to that end and on the non-military "battle fronts" of countering brute force economics.
But in reality, the familiar and tangible actions of more subs, more weapons, more bases, more tough rhetoric and tried and tested good / bad guy posturing will always win out.
So, as you said, we are left with cross our fingers and "Let’s hope they avoid a fight."
As one commentator I heard said of both sides "they always push it to the brink and then back off."
So we can relax.
Im surprised nobody has mentioned the crazy neo Nazi protestors in Melbourne on the weekend that gate crashed the Let Women Speak, womens rights rally.
When i first saw it i thought they were some wanna be Antifa clowns taking the piss trying to troll the women's rights protestors but they actually seem like serious neo nazi's what complete fuck witts.
WTF do they think they were ever going to achieve, all they have done is made the women rights protestors look bad as media has associated the Nazi nutters with them and labeled them anti trans and to make things even worse there was also far left socialist party nutters protesting against the womens rights group who even got violent towards the womens rights group and saw some women injured.
How ironic you have far right national socialist and far left socialist both crashing the womens rights group protest.
Fark you have to feel for that MP Moira Deeming basically a conservative feminist somehow painted as a villain for rallying for women's rights and now the piss weak LNP Vic leader doesnt have the balls to back her and is throwing her under the bus, what a farked up world.
Hahaha, what the fuck was that?? :)
Indo "Im surprised nobody has mentioned the crazy neo Nazi protestors in Melbourne on the weekend that gate crashed the Let Women Speak, womens rights rally"
Me yesterday. "Be good too if we could have some cops that arrested Nazis sieg heiling on the steps of Parliament instead of providing them an escort. Slippery slope we are on these days."
You don't read my stuff anymore Indo?
Also,"How ironic you have far right national socialist and far left socialist both crashing the womens rights group protest"
You should understand that Hitler joined and took over the fringe NSDAP (National Socialist German Worker's Party) or Nazi Party as a vehicle to achieve power and attract support from the lower middle class of Germans suffering from the reparations demanded by the Treaty of Versailles. Soon after gaining control of the NSDAP, he split the left wing of the Party, (the Black Front) off and enlisted support from the conservatives, nationalists and wealthy businessmen on the understanding he would be anti socialist. One of his first acts as Chancellor was to send the leadership of the German Communist and Social Democratic Parties to the concentration camps.
The myth that Nazis were socialists is something propagandised today mostly on the right. It's wrong and shows how historical facts get twisted to suit stupid right wing agendas.
indo-dreaming wrote:there was also far left socialist party nutters protesting against the womens rights group who even got violent towards the womens rights group and saw some women injured.
"womens (sic) rights group" women were injured? Citation needed.
https://twitter.com/hakicat/status/1637076027099709440?s=46&t=5RczxwAfzXe7hKRZb3LMIA.
Just some advice for Posie Parker, when threatening to sue someone for defamation over claims you’re associated with Nazi sympathisers maybe don’t use the platform of Avi Yemini whose linked to Nazis. pic.twitter.com/tcpQ8oQmAE
— Alternate Media Watchers (@AltMediaWatch) March 20, 2023
adam12 wrote:Indo "Im surprised nobody has mentioned the crazy neo Nazi protestors in Melbourne on the weekend that gate crashed the Let Women Speak, womens rights rally"
Me yesterday. "Be good too if we could have some cops that arrested Nazis sieg heiling on the steps of Parliament instead of providing them an escort. Slippery slope we are on these days."
You don't read my stuff anymore Indo?
Also,"How ironic you have far right national socialist and far left socialist both crashing the womens rights group protest"
You should understand that Hitler joined and took over the fringe NSDAP (National Socialist German Worker's Party) or Nazi Party as a vehicle to achieve power and attract support from the lower middle class of Germans suffering from the reparations demanded by the Treaty of Versailles. Soon after gaining control of the NSDAP, he split the left wing of the Party, (the Black Front) off and enlisted support from the conservatives, nationalists and wealthy businessmen on the understanding he would be anti socialist. One of his first acts as Chancellor was to send the leadership of the German Communist and Social Democratic Parties to the concentration camps.
The myth that Nazis were socialists is something propagandised today mostly on the right. It's wrong and shows how historical facts get twisted to suit stupid right wing agendas.
Im not really interested in arguing that they were socialist or not but they did identify as socialist, Nazi literally means "National Socialist German Workers' Party"
But yeah self identifying as something doesn't actually make it real
I do always find it funny though that the same people that say Nazis aren't socialist, also say ANTIFA literally means anti fascist, how can they be fascist???
Supafreak wrote:https://twitter.com/hakicat/status/1637076027099709440?s=46&t=5RczxwAfzX.... https://twitter.com/altmediawatch/status/1637673125893767173?s=46&t=5Rcz...
Ha ha come on Supa im sure you know Avi was taking the piss out of his haters, when he said that(not in 2023 was about 5 years ago), because many of his haters have gone the default Nazi insult which must really give you the shits when you a proud Jew who has even fought with the Israeli army.
If you have ever watched his videos you would know he has put up with slurs like the typical go to Nazi insult forever and always says im a proud Jew the furthest thing from a Nazi..
"Im not really interested in arguing that they were socialist or not but they did identify as socialist, Nazi literally means "National Socialist German Workers' Party"
It's not an argument, it's a fact.
You didn't understand my post, as usual.
They were fascists. Like the Spring St Nazis who call themselves "National Socialists", ignorant of what the Nazi Party actually was and it's origins.
There is no such thing as a "far right socialist", it doesn't make sense.
"But yeah self identifying as something doesn't actually make it real"
Like the LNP that call themselves "Liberal" or "conservatives" when they are radical right wing reactionaries.
"I do always find it funny though that the same people that say Nazis aren't socialist, also say ANTIFA literally means anti fascist, how can they be fascist???"
WTF does that sentence mean?
You really should read some history Indo, or just google "Were the Nazis socialists?" for a start.
adam12 wrote:"Im not really interested in arguing that they were socialist or not but they did identify as socialist, Nazi literally means "National Socialist German Workers' Party"
It's not an argument, it's a fact.
You didn't understand my post, as usual.
They were fascists. Like the Spring St Nazis who call themselves "National Socialists", ignorant of what the Nazi Party actually was and it's origins.
There is no such thing as a "far right socialist", it doesn't make sense.
"But yeah self identifying as something doesn't actually make it real"
Like the LNP that call themselves "Liberal" or "conservatives" when they are radical right wing reactionaries.
"I do always find it funny though that the same people that say Nazis aren't socialist, also say ANTIFA literally means anti fascist, how can they be fascist???"
WTF does that sentence mean?
You really should read some history Indo, or just google "Were the Nazis socialists?" for a start.
Im not sure what we are debating, we kind of agree.
The reality is a name doesn't make something true/reality.
Nazi's belong to a national socialist party, but yeah it's debatable if they were really socialist.
ANTIFA is suppose to stand for Anti fascism, but in reality their actions are more fascist than any other group,.
People of one biological sex can never become the opposite sex, just by wanting to be.
Its all the same.
Reality is reality, it doesn't change because you call it something else
And yeah politics are full of contradictions.
"There is no such thing as a "far right socialist", it doesn't make sense."
Neither does a proud jewish man being a Nazi.
Also calling LNP "radical right wing reactionaries" they are barely conservatives anymore socially or economically, i mean FFS during Covid LNP threw more money at social issues than any other government in our history, and look at the piss weak LNP leader throwing traditional women rights/values under the bus to appeal to the woke.
Supafreak wrote:
@ Sup
Argh great you do know people of all ethnicities, religions, or any other group, dont all agree with each other.
Muslims disagree with each other, Christians disagree with each other, Jews too, individuals even in individual churches disagree with each other.
Not sure what Avi has to do with this conversation anyway.
If you read the statement you get an idea of the type of person the jewish community sees avi as . Not sure if posie parker knows of avi’s history around women . I will never understand why you continue to defend this grub .
So the Nazis crash a women's rally...Deal with it in the right way...
indo-dreaming wrote:ANTIFA is suppose to stand for Anti fascism, but in reality their actions are more fascist than any other group,.
Please expand on this remarkable opinion.
Census Questions...
Q: When do Australians celebrate our most Unaustralian Day!
(Hint!) Bleakest Winter week night ever recorded!
A: Census Tuesday Night Party
Q: Have you ever held or been to a Census Tuesday Night Party!
[factcheck] It's actually Unaustralian to turn down a Census Night Party Invite.
A: Wotz a Tuesday again?
This Day & Date are explicitly chosen to represent our couldn't give a shit Unaustralianess.
Easiest time to drop off & collect forms...nothing too tricky!
Only we got that online thingy now! Maybe we could do ... what? I dunno...just sayin'!
Least Active > Least Recreation > Least Travel > Least Everything Australian.
Most Home Time > Most TV time > Most Likely not to venture outside even for a second...Why bother!
All provide the most comprehensive detailed Snapshot of everything we ain't...All Say Aye!
Sure! Fantastic almighty effort by all to best least represent Australian Society.
Without doubt...Census is Alien to Oz + Least identifies a typical day of Aussie Lifestyle.
Yet! Every expert spends every waking hour combing over our morbidly bleak unaustralian data!
To do what exactly...
To develop policy that is 100% factually proven to be most alien to our Aussies way of life...
Seriously! Wot else can Census represent other than Aussies in Pyjamas coming down the stairs!
This contrived Domicile Doc obliges Pollies to spend bare minimum on Transit > Accom.
An account of no one dares go anywhere or does anything on our bleakest Unaustralian Night
Dunking burnt Toast into a Bowl of lukewarm Chicken Noodle Soup...
Massive united effort to raise National Pride! Yeah! That's us!
Pollies breathe another sigh of relief to once again prove they must halve spending until next census!
Aussie's peak Silly Season is Dec/Jan (50% more costly) than Peak Bleak Dead of night Census Season!
This is exactly why Public Housing contribution dropped from 1990~6% > 2020~3%...Wot!
Q : Would Pollies be open to a real life Oz Silly Season Census?
A : OMG! tbb just crossed the line! This bastard act now surely proves he's Unaustralian!
tbb motions for a mid flight Oz peak Silly Season Crisis Census!
Lets poke a stick into our biggest smelliest pile of poo...the one we all dance around!
PS: Wouldn't that involve census collectors trading in Snowmobiles for JetSkis with fleets of drones.
Yeah! Well tbb's Unaustralian plan is not that far advanced yet, but will require such huge sacrifices!
Guaranteed 50% more Australianess + 50% better bang for yer buck = 100% Political Correctness!
Exactly wot Oz Experts & Pollies spend a lifetime avoiding...
Think that shoots down yer Silly Season Census motion tbb!
Supafreak wrote:If you read the statement you get an idea of the type of person the jewish community sees avi as . Not sure if posie parker knows of avi’s history around women . I will never understand why you continue to defend this grub .
Im seeing a clear pattern here, you love to hate on Jacinta Price and Avi, i bet you hate Real Ruskin too?
I know why, because you dont like people of colour who dont think and act the way you think they should.
It's clear that you think people need to fit into some broad group think, you have made this clear with the Jewish community stuff.
BTW. Avi's history around women as far as im aware is one incident, a bad split second decision in a argument, im sure if he could go back he would never have thrown that chopping board, he could have easily denied the incident, but he manned up and admitted his mistake.
Avi like anyone isn't perfect and i dont agree with all his views the whole Covid videos got old real quick, but he does provide a good insight into things from an on the street level, it often gives you a lot of missing pieces the mainstream media leave out.
Take for instance the recent Alice spring violence issues while media like ABC did lame hit pieces labelling concerned locals as white supremest and air bus Albo flew up for three hours before going back to watch the tennis for three days.
Avi actually went up there for a week and talked to all kinds of locals, old , young, indigenous, non indigenous mixed couples, long term locals, guys working short term, even gave heaps of air time to the rat bag kids out running amok at night to have their say.
Yeah of course it has bias all media does, but you do get a variety of views and its very low edited stuff.
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.