COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
How do you see it?
Not having a go, because I hear people saying what you are saying all the time.
What do you see as skewed about the above article?
freeride76 wrote:Ben Harding wrote:freeride76 wrote:Ben Harding wrote:freeride76 wrote:"Protests against covid measures/mandates across the globe are always minimised. We have seen it here"
Again, is that true?
When the biggest Melbourne protest was on, I watched it live on FB from a link that Burleigh put up.
Then compared that coverage to mainstream media coverage.Across the ABC and all commercial stations, the Melbourne (and other cities protests) were the lead story.
By and large the coverage was neutral.I didn't see any suppression or minimisation whatsoever, quite the contrary.
Here is an ABC story on the protest.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-27/melbourne-protests-thousands-mand...
Um, absolutely its true. I know you're being serious, which is perplexing. Protests and media coverage always was and continues to be skewed.
I'm being serious because that's the way I have experienced it, and I provided evidence of mainstream media coverage of the protest to back it up.
Here's the staid old BBC, about the most mainstream media outlet in the world, covering the recent French protests.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59925408
So, where is the evidence that these protests are being ignored by the mainstream or coverage is skewed?
Not having a go, genuinely interested.
Fair play on finding these two good articles to back up your experience. It is actually very hard for me to find any recent news article on google (no less) where the mainstream media or the government admit to their unfavorable depictions or analysis of social movements or protests.
The one clear example in my head I attempted to find was the press conference where Brad Hazzard and the NSW Police commissioner tried to say 2500 people attended the protests,when it was in fact 10,000+. Couldn't find it. The SMH actually white washed their original story of crowd numbers as a result of the backlash they received for misrepresenting the facts. I don't throw social media up as references, so I won't go there.
Essentially you are asking me to find an article which disproves something that you have found exists as your example. However it doesn't mean it doesn’t. Without throwing a heap of links at you or journal articles search on scholar or just google “Protest and media coverage” and you will soon find there is an inherent bias in reporting these protests and misrepresentation of the people at the rallies, skewing of the figures, and or focus solely on the destruction or negative aspects of the protest itself. Not all the time either as you have found, but this has been a systemic issue for a long time and still is to this day.
Fair enough.
I'm pretty much a mainstream media guy.
Listen to ABC radio most days, check out the Guardian and SMH online.
Will check out The Hill and Unherd fairly often, sometimes harder core anti-vax stuff just to see what the thinking is.
So I haven't experienced any minimisation or skewing at all.
Here's a typical Guardian article from the Melbourne protest https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/04/covid-vaccine-pro...
It's really hard not to be a MSM guy here in Aus. Michael West Media is pretty good as an option, sometimes. FriendlyJordies is funny. I see a lot of things not adding up everywhere though. I do like Radio national radio too for that matter.
"Will check out The Hill and Unherd fairly often, sometimes harder core anti-vax stuff just to see what the thinking is."
Until today I hadn't watched a single video or read an article on either of those sites.
“And for Stok, if it ever did come to 'a big war' as he childishly antagonised, make no mistake, Stok, Roady and VL's skulls will be the first i'll be coming to collect. Toxic humans.“
Says it all. The quality of bd as a person.
How’s this for a side-effect?
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/women-report-aw...
bonza wrote:its just the internet. maybe let it go.. to BD & Stok.
meanwhile re vaccine mandates.
https://theconversation.com/vaccine-mandates-for-healthcare-workers-shou...
".....The reason they should be abandoned is because they are now pointless.."
Yep!! Too easy Bonza. Cheers.
freeride76 wrote:How do you see it?
Not having a go, because I hear people saying what you are saying all the time.
What do you see as skewed about the above article?
The above article (s), no issue really, objective reporting by the looks, but I speed read them. How do I see things generally? With the MSM? That would have to be a long form answer and will take some time and thought as I would want to be careful with my words. What I will say is the respect I had for the fourth estate growing up in the 90s and 00s, and respect for proper journalism, has nearly completely gone. It seems almost tabloid’al now. The broadsheets included. News and SMH some of the worst offenders, particularly News.com. Yet I read them everyday, go figure.
On the media bias topic I suggest everyone to visit https://adfontesmedia.com/ and review the media bias chart.
Also, I installed a Ground News Chrome extension on my laptop which basically pops out with a bias banner on every news site I visit - https://ground.news/extension
This works well, especially in the US which is extremely polluted with bias. At the end of the day, I read everything left, right and form my own opinions. These little tools make it a lot easier to distinguish bias behind news outlets.
sypkan wrote:well that went well...
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/neil-youngs-joe-rogan-ultima...
not even being sarcastic... for some of us...
like me, who absolutely love neil young
but think he's having a big hissy fit meets seniors moment
Same. Maybe he's frustrated by something he disagrees with but I really wished he would've done as he did in 2006 and fought with his art.
'Living With War' is a bold fuck you to Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and what they did to America. He was mid-fifties then, well passed his peak, but not a single US singer of note spoke out the way he did - leave alone record an entire album of seething music.
Beautiful melodies, furious lyrics.
For that sole LP alone, his politics deserve to be respected, but this Spotify ultimatum is a folly.
And though it's by the by, I agree with Andy-Mac that Young's music will live on far longer than Rogan.
Supafreak wrote:freeride76 wrote:""The first 6:30mins (of 10ms) are her literally reporting on the trucking convoy and vaccine mandate protests that are currently ongoing in canada; she mentions that hardly any major mainstream news networks are reporting the issue (blackout)"
doesn't such gross overeaching bias by censorship require a little balancing?"
Is it true though?
One seconds searching showed a shitt ton of coverage in Canada of the Truckers convoy.
Maybe search the US media , if stok or anyone thinks the hill are nothing but RWNJ here’s the media bias rating https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-hill/ and is the media blackout the story here ? or is the protest the story ? Or is the story what people are protesting about ?
Wow thats the most central rating ive ever seen on that site
Site is much better than some chart, it provides much more detail on different aspects.
stunet wrote:sypkan wrote:well that went well...
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/neil-youngs-joe-rogan-ultima...
not even being sarcastic... for some of us...
like me, who absolutely love neil young
but think he's having a big hissy fit meets seniors moment
Same. Maybe he's frustrated by something he disagrees with but I really wished he would've done as he did in 2006 and fought with his art.
'Living With War' is a bold fuck you to Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and what they did to America. He was mid-fifties then, well passed his peak, but not a single US singer of note spoke out the way he did - leave alone record an entire album of seething music.
Beautiful melodies, furious lyrics.
For that sole LP alone, his politics deserve to be respected, but this Spotify ultimatum is a folly.
And though it's by the by, I agree with Andy-Mac that Young's music will live on far longer than Rogan.
Stu, don't mention 'the war!' :-P
stunet wrote:sypkan wrote:well that went well...
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/neil-youngs-joe-rogan-ultima...
not even being sarcastic... for some of us...
like me, who absolutely love neil young
but think he's having a big hissy fit meets seniors moment
Same. Maybe he's frustrated by something he disagrees with but I really wished he would've done as he did in 2006 and fought with his art.
'Living With War' is a bold fuck you to Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and what they did to America. He was mid-fifties then, well passed his peak, but not a single US singer of note spoke out the way he did - leave alone record an entire album of seething music.
Beautiful melodies, furious lyrics.
For that sole LP alone, his politics deserve to be respected, but this Spotify ultimatum is a folly.
And though it's by the by, I agree with Andy-Mac that Young's music will live on far longer than Rogan.
Re of note. What about pearl jam? Asking for a friend.
50 000 truckies, yes fifty thousand! lined up on highway in Canada to protest nonsense sars2 mandates.
I am slowly starting to regain faith in humanity.
jab junkies have 2 choices.
1. Say NO, NO MORE. No more boosters, and join us delporable cleanskins.
or
2. Keep getting whacked up with whatever whenever they say. Endless medical slavery.
Personally, I strongly encourage option #2 , if you think that's best for you. Whatever I don't care.
Just don't come at me with a needle full of franken juice, I'll take it off you and stab you in the eye with it.
stunet wrote:sypkan wrote:well that went well...
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/neil-youngs-joe-rogan-ultima...
not even being sarcastic... for some of us...
like me, who absolutely love neil young
but think he's having a big hissy fit meets seniors moment
Same. Maybe he's frustrated by something he disagrees with but I really wished he would've done as he did in 2006 and fought with his art.
'Living With War' is a bold fuck you to Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and what they did to America. He was mid-fifties then, well passed his peak, but not a single US singer of note spoke out the way he did -
'Hell broke Luce' Tom Waits
Talking to Zan Rowe he said the US Gov contacted him about scoring for a recruitment campaign, he sent them this. I think he may have been telling a tall one but I'd love to believe it :)
mugofsunshine wrote:stunet wrote:sypkan wrote:well that went well...
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/neil-youngs-joe-rogan-ultima...
not even being sarcastic... for some of us...
like me, who absolutely love neil young
but think he's having a big hissy fit meets seniors moment
Same. Maybe he's frustrated by something he disagrees with but I really wished he would've done as he did in 2006 and fought with his art.
'Living With War' is a bold fuck you to Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and what they did to America. He was mid-fifties then, well passed his peak, but not a single US singer of note spoke out the way he did -
'Hell broke Luce' Tom Waits
Talking to Zan Rowe he said the US Gov contacted him about scoring for a recruitment campaign, he sent them this. I think he may have been telling a tall one but I'd love to believe it :)
Add Jerusalem by Steve Earle to this list, or just Steve Earle in general. Also the Dixie Chicks shitting on GWB for his war stance got them into all manner of deep poop.
Anyone see or hear anything about the decent sized anti-mandates rally in Washington DC on the weekend?
(Don’t google it, just think if you even remember seeing or hearing about it!)
Don’t think it got one second of coverage in the major media here.
I think that’s an example of what’s being alluded to in the “media blackout” concept
Hiccups wrote:mugofsunshine wrote:stunet wrote:sypkan wrote:well that went well...
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/neil-youngs-joe-rogan-ultima...
not even being sarcastic... for some of us...
like me, who absolutely love neil young
but think he's having a big hissy fit meets seniors moment
Same. Maybe he's frustrated by something he disagrees with but I really wished he would've done as he did in 2006 and fought with his art.
'Living With War' is a bold fuck you to Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and what they did to America. He was mid-fifties then, well passed his peak, but not a single US singer of note spoke out the way he did -
'Hell broke Luce' Tom Waits
Talking to Zan Rowe he said the US Gov contacted him about scoring for a recruitment campaign, he sent them this. I think he may have been telling a tall one but I'd love to believe it :)
Add Jerusalem by Steve Earle to this list, or just Steve Earle in general. Also the Dixie Chicks shitting on GWB for his war stance got them into all manner of deep poop.
Neil Young & Crazy Horse’s Ragged Glory and (live)Weld albums were recorded, played & toured during Bush’s (snr) ME military folly. IMO 2 of his best played loud. Young’s opposition to Bush’s war was widely quoted at the time.
@tyler, why would it be covered in detail in Australian news, if it's in Washington?
I think the media blackout comments are pretty flimsy and without basis. Who would orchestrate a media blackout? If we only had state run media, then yes it would work. Commercial media certainly do report news in coordination with their sponsors, but it's either disclosed up front, or very, very obvious that it's a paid commercial.
Any shred of evidence of a media blackout would almost immediately find its way to the public, with the independence and variety of our media sources, and social media, it wouldn't be possible.
The real Donald Trump wrote:jab junkies have 2 choices.
1. Say NO, NO MORE. No more boosters, and join us delporable cleanskins.
or
2. Keep getting whacked up with whatever whenever they say. Endless medical slavery.
Personally, I strongly encourage option #2 , if you think that's best for you. Whatever I don't care.
Just don't come at me with a needle full of franken juice, I'll take it off you and stab you in the eye with it.
Great post TRD.
Don't worry, no one is going to come at you with a needle.
Of course, the world doesn't bend to suit your beliefs, hopefully for your sake covid remains relatively mild for most people, and we don't have any other more deadly variants or other novel viruses which may need you to get a jab.
old-dog wrote:Back in the real world the ball and chain dragged me down to the the clinic last week to do the right thing for society and ourselves and get Pfizer boosted. She had a sore arm next day I had no side effects. A bloke at work had covid over xmas (double jabbed but heavy smoker in his 40's), worst week of his life couldn't get up and shat the bed. Luckily he had 400 rolls of dunny paper in the shed.
Anyone who says its just a sniffle should try saying it to the families of the millions who have died and see what happens.
Imagine what would be happening in nursing homes if not for the vaccines. Oh I forgot some of you sick bastards cant wait any longer to inherit a house that you can't afford on cetrelink benefits.
Yeah, out of about the 15 people or so I know who've had covid, around 4 of them have had a very rough time. Bedridden for days, brain fog still hanging around etc.
I've got 2 young kids and the thought of me and/or my wife being bed ridden for days while the kids run amok is a daunting one. Fuck that, not worth it.
Rallies of that size in the US frequently get reported in the media here and Covid is obviously a pretty hot topic. The point is the media could have made a big point of it if they wanted to but didn’t.
Either way, my summary on Covid is that I’m very unlikely to die from it but extraordinarily frustrated with the inconsistency of policy at just about every level.
I’m pro vax but simultaneously I can’t believe the restrictions on doctors in terms of their ability to prescribe early treatments.
That’s my main bug bear.
At times I think everyone on here has raised at least one good point....and that includes VicLocal and Blindboy
Stok wrote:The real Donald Trump wrote:jab junkies have 2 choices.
1. Say NO, NO MORE. No more boosters, and join us delporable cleanskins.
or
2. Keep getting whacked up with whatever whenever they say. Endless medical slavery.
Personally, I strongly encourage option #2 , if you think that's best for you. Whatever I don't care.
Just don't come at me with a needle full of franken juice, I'll take it off you and stab you in the eye with it.
Great post TRD.
Don't worry, no one is going to come at you with a needle.
Of course, the world doesn't bend to suit your beliefs, hopefully for your sake covid remains relatively mild for most people, and we don't have any other more deadly variants or other novel viruses which may need you to get a jab.
Stok you never replied about Dr Gregers career in public health specialising in emerging infectious diseases.
I’m interested to hear your thoughts
tylerdurden wrote:Anyone see or hear anything about the decent sized anti-mandates rally in Washington DC on the weekend?
(Don’t google it, just think if you even remember seeing or hearing about it!)
Don’t think it got one second of coverage in the major media here.
I think that’s an example of what’s being alluded to in the “media blackout” concept
I'm sure I heard about it or read it somewhere.
But I'm hearing about this stuff everyday, and a quick Google search shows it was well covered by the USA MSM.
That seems poor evidence to me of a "media blackout".
I agree with Stok, it's probably not news in Australia.
Yeah Freeride? Who spoke? And was it covered positively or negatively?
edit: I remember now where I heard it; somewhere in the MSM where they made a big deal out of RFK's quote: Kennedy called the mandates “a coup d’etat to democracy” and compared vaccine passports to slavery. “Even in Hitler’s Germany, you could hide,” Kennedy said,
Edit: it was this Guardian story https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/24/robert-f-kennedy-jr-anti...
Coverage tone: negative.
Update from my friend :(
"Really rough night. No sleep, the nausea was so severe. Just got back from doc up at the hospital. Got different meds. Was interesting - Doc initially said it was highly likely that it was a response to the vaccine and that it would just eventually subside (timeframe unknown) then after she spoke to head of department it changed to being "unlikely" that it was the vaccine. It's so fucked how silenced they all are."
Make of it what you will. She was a fully functioning happy healthy active human 2 weeks ago. Now she can't get out of bed and there's no end in sight.
bluediamond wrote:Update from my friend :(
"Really rough night. No sleep, the nausea was so severe. Just got back from doc up at the hospital. Got different meds. Was interesting - Doc initially said it was highly likely that it was a response to the vaccine and that it would just eventually subside (timeframe unknown) then after she spoke to head of department it changed to being "unlikely" that it was the vaccine. It's so fucked how silenced they all are."
Make of it what you will. She was a fully functioning happy healthy active human 2 weeks ago. Now she can't get out of bed and there's no end in sight.
Hope she’s all good BD.
I’ve been cooked on here for saying this before but I personally know three people (uncle, mother in law and friend) that all had strokes within 2 weeks from their covid jab.
They were reported yet Drs are not willing to say it’s from the jab.
The pressure the government has put on these Drs is disgusting and criminal.
All three were not given an exemption for follow up jabs.
It's fucked Burleigh. People wonder why i'm getting so riled up. It's personal now. It's one thing to support vaccines, it's another to bully people into taking it.
I feel for the doctors too....all doing their best but caught up in this mess.
Really sorry to hear about your family and friend. Hope they make a good strong recovery mate.
I think you’d have to agree that various voices that have challenged the official strategy have been suppressed or censored in one form or another.
Malone and McCulloch are very careful to virtually exclusively only cite peer reviewed literature or independently verifiable sources but certainly have been censored.
McCulloch apparently had a peer reviewed paper fully edited, typeset, terms and conditions met withdrawn by the journal at the last minute because of something to do with not having journalistic approval.
Norman Fenton has said he was rejected for publication (I think he said for the first time in his life) regarding a paper on all cause mortality.
Eli Schwartz (300 peer reviewed publications) had a paper rejected by The Lancet in a matter of hours apparently without even review.
Doctors and nurses in Australia and UK face disciplinary action for spreading “misinformation” even though it is poorly defined.
Doctors face fines for prescribing Ivermectin, even though many parts of the world are using it to treat Covid.
And thats only a few examples off the top of my head.
I’m pro-vax so it doesn’t really affect me but I also find it quite disturbing that these things have happened
What was the question Burlsy?
TBH I don't know much more about Dr Greger other than the site he runs, which I've been to about 5 or 6 times. I changed my diet more for the ethical reasons associated, but I did find some of the info on the site quite fascinating.
VIP Travel Rorts
Review 323 Nations / Territories
51 (15.8%) Nations ban (any/all) Vax (&/or) No vax!
45 (13.9%) Ban Unvaxed (6 of these exempt past infections!)
227 (70.3%) Welcome Unvaxed (3 of these upgrade Past Infection to VIP iso' skip status)
Trendy VIP Bullies got muscled out by all time Pro Bullies...(Beaten at own game...that's gotta hurt!)
(Closed Nations) Geo Political Communist Hot Spots or protected strategic strongholds > Micronesia.
Ever increasing Unvaxed Rainbow Alliance welcomed a huge swathe of Evil VIP outcasts this week...
UK / Germany / Italy / Greece / Portugal / Belgium / Netherlands crossed over from the Dark Side.
Think Boris has gotta go now...that's the price ya gotta pay!
Darkside rejects contribute 1m / 3.66m [+] daily cases...will now invite Unvaxed to mop up their mess!
Mass Vax infections are 10-20% above WR omicron > Unvaxed Mop up rate 10%-20% (Free fix it!)
No brainer...these nations choose to advance the healthiest quickest free long term proven cure!
The Darkside Bullies. (These hyper infectious Nations ban unvaxed cure for Hot mess Drug addiction)
Deathstar is an armada of world's deadliest Vax Producing Nations + their offshore bases & Tax Havens
Just takes a week for 5 of these WR Covid spreading Bullies to ramp over 50% of worldwide Covid.
Top 5 Vax Only Bullies infect 1.9m / 3.66m day...Yes! They are that deadly!
These are Covid Monsters in every sense of the word...
Listen & fear their own Expert Mass Vax Promos.
CDC : Keep away from WR Bullies > 55% are Level 4 (Pure Evil) + 27% Level 3 (High risk)
Worldometer : 40/45 are currently surfing up'n'over new record Covid Peaks
Worldometer : 6 or more harbour record Death peaks
EU : Red List Hot Favs of #1 Vax Bullies, there ain't no rainbows here sunshine!
Listen to yer Experts : Mandated VIP Bully nations are #1 drivers of the Pandemic.
For the good of the planet > Do the exact opposite of what these Deathstar commanders Mandate."
The very reason these Vax Producing Nations can't open to unvaxed is because they're too infectious.
Crew all know what horrible things the World says about this here Hell hole of the Pacific.
Qld Premier : "All old people lock all yer windows & never leave yer house again!"
These Bully nations corrupt Vax data & exploit unvaxed for their endless WR infections
World is bored with these knuckle dragging numbskull Bullies advocating more infectious Vax mayhem.
Free world wants an end to Mobster's bankrupting evil plans & is forging ahead without them.
World weary Anomalies
Greece : Feel free to rob yer unvaxed Grandma's pension for yer Red Hot Listed unvaxed o/s date!
Kosovo : Fully Vaxed Russians are free to join the resistance in the war against the Unvaxed!
PNG : Lowest (2.5%) Vax rate bans unvaxed from entering despite 97.5% of Nation being unvaxed?
Also note each time Fully Vaxed Covax Mass Vax teams arrive in PNG the WR Covid spikes ramp!
These flipside Vax Mandates defy logic & signal as trials for longer term strategic Bully control.
Data breakdown by Continents ( re: kayak) Saved time with fast quality checks...thanx!
Continent (Closed) Unvaxed Ban / Unvaxed Welcome
Africa (3) 3/57 > Central America (10) 1/7 > Asia (16) 5/34 > Europe (3) 8/46 > Middle East (4) 3/15
Pacific (15) 4/21 > Caribbean (10) 10/28 > South America (1) 7/14 > North America (0) 4/5
Credits : tbb was half way thru this research > Check this interactive "Epic Travel site"
https://www.kayak.com.au/travel-restrictions?®ion=south-pacific
NYT site will bump you off after one session ...so prepare to be resourceful about yer visit.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-travel-restrictions.html
This site shows change is in the wind..."2022 Travel for the Unvaxed!" (Misinformation?)
https://blog.wego.com/travel-without-vaccine/
https://www.asiahighlights.com/southeast-asia/coronavirus-travel-tips
Thanx to all travel sites...some real good Worldly resource there!
freeride76 wrote:edit: I remember now where I heard it; somewhere in the MSM where they made a big deal out of RFK's quote: Kennedy called the mandates “a coup d’etat to democracy” and compared vaccine passports to slavery. “Even in Hitler’s Germany, you could hide,” Kennedy said,
Edit: it was this Guardian story https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/24/robert-f-kennedy-jr-anti...
Coverage tone: negative.
Exactly Freeride.
The main point that the media made was something about RFKjnr comparing what he considers the mass formation psychosis of now with the holocaust.
Kinda glossed over the other points he made and those made by the rest of the speakers.
Call that what you want, the MSM could have easily said “leading doctors, scientists, academics and poiliticisns call for an end to mandates”
RFKjnr is a Democrat so it’s obviously not a R wing vs L wing thing
Isn't RFKjnr a long time anti vaxxer who's family have all distanced themselves from him?
Maybe Stok.
There’s a few around questioning the evidence behind the vaccines, like the editors of the BMJ for example
My personal conspiracy theory re. covid, is that countries like China and Russia have kicked their information war into overdrive, and capitalised (in a communist manner) on the opportunity to drive deep divisions in democracies like ours, but more specifically the US.
I believe these foreign interests are using the anti vax/anti mandate narrative to their benefit, with ease, though bots on twitter/insta etc etc.
Anti government sentiment is high, and trust is low - so who stands to benefit the most globally?
This is why Doctors will not speak out or give exemptions even after people have had adverse reactions from the jab.
The boss of AMA last year on the Today show.
Listen carefully. He’s a bully
RFKjnr is massive stooge. No way around it.
His book has sold ok though, apparently it’s very well referenced
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/dec/2/...
Burleigh, for your own sanity, avoid Reignite Democracy Australia at all costs.
No doubt. But he’s still a stooge.
Checked out his website before? His anti vax stance predates covid and promotes the autism rant.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/known-culprits/vaccines/
A well referenced stooge, at least in regards to the Fauci book
Stok wrote:Burleigh, for your own sanity, avoid Reignite Democracy Australia at all costs.
Mate it’s the only channel that has that video. Try find it somewhere else.
It’s from the Today show.
Did you watch it?
tylerdurden wrote:A well referenced stooge, at least in regards to the Fauci book
Mate not sure what you are getting at. He has a book or article that has credential references? So what?’. As you well know the best lies is dolloped with truth. RFKjr may have thngs to say on a number of things around covid that I may actually agree with. But I look at his past form on spreading bullshit and I call him a stooge.
Fluoride. 5G etc. Fuk me.
@yeah I watched it burleigh.
So the strategy they're clearly taking (and have taken) is get as many vaccines into as many people as possible. Simple utilitarianism. Vaccines reduce hospitalisation and death, letting covid run through an unvaxxed population is a bigger cost to society through sickness and death than getting everyone jabbed. Bigger than the cost of putting additional restrictions and mandates on people's freedoms. Hospitals and the health system were already fucked pre covid, covid just fucks it more.
So, how would you execute this strategy, if you're a leader? Well, you'd firstly just try to encourage people....naturally you'd get low uptake and get push back...when you get push back you can either roll over and accept that's as far as you'll get, or you can push harder. Show how serious you're taking it.
One thing which RDA and other groups are pushing for is the removal of these strategies, they (and you) want our leaders to fold and change. Abolish mandates, let the vax rates run organically, to 60%, or 70% or whatever it gets up to.
You're seeing differing communication strategies among our premiers and CHOs in Oz, but the idea is still the same - get as many people vaccinated as possible.
So yes, when you see government officials talk, and they press hard with vaccinations and mandates, it's because they're doing their job - listening to their advisors (not fringe interest groups like RDA), and pushing for an outcome. It's actually a positive thing, to see our leaders act, and front the camera regularly, with a fairly strong unwavering mission. They're not folding, trying to protect as many votes as possible, they're doing what they think is right.
Enter stage left, Clive Palmer and UAP - they'll hoover up the votes of people who want to abolish mandates, by appealing to their frustrations, and direct them straight to the libs.
Of course, if your general beliefs are that the vaccine doesn't work, or the gov is lying, or the experts are wrong.....forget everything I just wrote.
It’s pretty hard these days sifting out misinformation vs lies.
My take is that misinformation includes select references to build a narrative with omission of other information in order to justify your position. Sometimes this is not purposeful omission, other times it is.
Next level up is not only omission of key info but dismissal and discreditation of anything that doesn’t fit your view.
Then above that there are lies.
And the concept of a “fact” has always been the same: it’s only a “fact” until new info comes along which shows it wasn’t all along.
Not sure what your getting at with RFKjnr, suggesting he is actively lying.
Maybe he is, who knows?
But the Fauci book appears to well referenced, not sure if he’s actively lying in that book
No worries Tyler. I don’t find him credible. You may others might. That’s life. All the best.
A rare display of civil contrition Bonza.
Each their own, it’s hard to know what to believe these days
Stok wrote:The real Donald Trump wrote:jab junkies have 2 choices.
1. Say NO, NO MORE. No more boosters, and join us delporable cleanskins.
or
2. Keep getting whacked up with whatever whenever they say. Endless medical slavery.
Personally, I strongly encourage option #2 , if you think that's best for you. Whatever I don't care.
Just don't come at me with a needle full of franken juice, I'll take it off you and stab you in the eye with it.
Great post TRD.
Don't worry, no one is going to come at you with a needle.
Of course, the world doesn't bend to suit your beliefs, hopefully for your sake covid remains relatively mild for most people, and we don't have any other more deadly variants or other novel viruses which may need you to get a jab.
FWIW I reckon I got the 'Rona last week when down in the big smoke.
Snotty nose, dull headache, loss of smell, bit clammy the odd day.
Didn't bother trying to get RAT or PCR, so who knows,
... but IF that was the 'Rona, I've had worse hangovers.
Stok wrote:My personal conspiracy theory re. covid, is that countries like China and Russia have kicked their information war into overdrive, and capitalised (in a communist manner) on the opportunity to drive deep divisions in democracies like ours, but more specifically the US.
I believe these foreign interests are using the anti vax/anti mandate narrative to their benefit, with ease, though bots on twitter/insta etc etc.
Anti government sentiment is high, and trust is low - so who stands to benefit the most globally?
What lies could Russia spread which is more egregious than the lies spread by Biden?
Genuine question.
This is some proper 1984 stuff.
Puppet Trudeau claiming that truck convoy protesting against vaccine mandates and certificates are going against the science and they don’t respect freedom.
Ummm…there’s never been a single piece of scientific evidence supporting vaccine mandates and passports and you , Trudeau, are personally and atbitrarily denying freedom to millions of people.
You’re scum bloke….crawl back up Klaus Schwab’s arse and die.
https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1486617099665649664?s=20&t=9Wp2TbMteFXqn6U9yD9lVA
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-trudeaus-a-globalist...
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia