Interesting stuff
"Seriously Indo-dreaming. Why do you wade into debates with fuck all knowledge about the subject."
Ultracrepidarians gonna ultracrepidarian.
It's the Swellnet way!
Ha Ha. I can see a few crew looking up ultracrepidarian.
Check out Dunning-Kruger while you're at it folks. This explains why it's important to listen to experts.
And more shit to the shitstorm that’s unfolding .. more and more govt agencies , councils shops etc are refusing cash and want card payment even though cash is legal tender. Wish people would open their eyes to see the bigger picture of what’s going on . This country and our freedom is going down the Fukn gurgler!
Not sure if its been brought up or not but it looked to me that the cops involved in the George Floyd arrest / murder were not all white guys? 2 were for sure, one Asian and one looked maybe Arabic or Blackish ? Just an observation, but its set the world on fire thats for sure.
>https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/bail-set-at-us1-million-for-u...
Yeah I wonder if it was a black cop that done this if any of this up roar would have happened ? Even tho the crime is exactly the same I seourisly doubt it. Any way Floyd was a career criminal who had been in and out of jail so obviously hadn't learnt his lesson. We don't need people like that in society so no big loss. I'm sure if he was white, people would have moved on without a fuss.
The second part of your post is way off the mark Nakiboi.
That’s just not the way that policing / justice systems (should) work. What ‘lesson’ were those cops teaching him? For all of his history, Floyd was denied justice, denied human dignity. The cops killed a man on the street and would have gotten away with it if there hadn’t been a. footage and b. an outcry.
The third part of your Post is just trolling. I’d suspect that if a white man was asphyxiated on the street, on camera, over the course of 8minutes there would have been a different response - the cops would have been stood down immediately.
@Viclocal
Ha ha how hypercritical.
Your method of debating is not too actually bring any counter argument or to bring anything of substance to the debate or play the ball.
But just like Facto, you just play the man using insults, to try to make yourself or your view look good.
It's such a weak way to debate.
Love or hate Avi, its kind of irrelevant his recent video shows countless people who have no idea of who Justine Damond, social media of late has been full of these types of articles/memes and from it seems most people didnt know who she was before.
@etarip
Im guessing you havent heard of Tony Timpa as most of us havent because he was white.
he got murderd by police in a similar manner, all caught on video.(below)
&t=24shttps://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/01/police-laughed-joked-he...
Seems the cops got off.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2019/03/18/deadly-conduct-charges-dismis...
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ID: Yeah, nah.
Similar circumstances, but not the same.
1. Video (that had to be subpoenaed) was body cam footage from the cops involved. Not a third party. Floyd case made news IMMEDIATELY.
2. No bystanders pleading with police to let up. Floyd case shows that ‘average joe’ could see the distress and pointed it out to cops.
3. Three police officers were actually indicted after pressure from family / press. Family had the financial and social capital to pursue this. Most cases there is NO follow up. (ultimately had the charges dropped - systemic failure).
Says a lot about policing practices in the US.. Not much of it good.
TAKE NOTE VIC LOCAL & FACTO this is how you have a civil debate.
etarip has come back with well thought out points and done it in a civil manner i really cant argue with what he has said he is correct, similar but still very different circumstances..
Although i do think if Tony was black it would have been a much bigger news story and if George was white it wouldn't have blown up to what it has.
Especially seeing as though Tony rang the police for help but got murder by them same deal with Justine Damond she rang the police for help and got murdered, for me that makes things even worse.
On the flip side while George didnt deserve to be murdered or treated in the way he had, he was no angel he had a quite long history of some serious and very violent crimes and results from autopsy show he was high on meth.
“ On the flip side while George didnt deserve to be murdered or treated in the way he had, he was no angel he had a quite long history of some serious and very violent crimes and results from autopsy show he was high on meth.”
Sorry Indo but you say some dumb stupid things. You’re right he didn’t deserve to be murdered so what’s it matter what his criminal history is? Why bring it up in the first place?
Also he had meth in his system, doesn’t mean he was high on meth. You’d still have traces of mull in your system 24 hrs after you smoke a joint. Does that mean you’re still stoned?
Fuck mate some of your comments infuriate me when I read them.
You sound like a gossiping school mum talking to her friends over a wine.. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh
Side note: Apparently road side drug tests can pick up weed up to 11 days after the fact which you can lose your license for even you are clearly not high.
https://greatgameindia.com/george-floyd-criminal/
And the world decided to make this asshole a martyr??! Cmon wake up people. Was all a paid political stunt .
And we all have to suffer for it ? Ha Get fkd!
The “experts” are now talking about a second wave . Of course they are - this thing is so scripted it’s not funny .
Micheal West unpicks who stands to gain most from the governments Home Builder grant with this example......
“It would work as simply as this hypothetical case.
John and Margaret own their own retirement home in Byron Bay. It is valued at $1.35 million. They also have a self-managed super fund (SMSF) worth $1.5 million. The fund produced $45,000 across Australian fully-franked dividends and a little bit of interest during 2019.
With the banks now slashing dividends, John and Margaret fear their 2020 investment income might fall to around $35,000.
They could, of course, dip into their capital and sell some shares to maintain their $45,000 lifestyle.
Or, they could spend some of their SMSF wealth on their house and move under the $869,500 asset test limit.
John and Margaret commit to a $500,000 renovation by selling down some shares. They gut and remodel two bathrooms and the kitchen, upgrade all glazing, lay down premium hardwood flooring and install a battery-based solar system.
My rough guesstimate is that they would thereafter receive some $10,000 per year in combined partial age pension. Hey presto, lifestyle restored with the taxpayer footing the bill. And a substantially more valuable house to boot (an indirect benefit for their children when they pass).
In other words, for taxpayer dollars to once again be directed to objectively wealthy Australians who can hold their wealth in lightly taxed structures.”
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/homebuilder-a-sneaky-plan-for-the-coaliti...
Indo, you just don't get it. George Floyd's criminal history is utterly irrelevant. He was killed by a police man over an alleged counterfeit $20 bill. He wasn't resisting arrest and the cop put his knee into Floyd's neck for nearly 9 minutes until he died.
You also don't understand that African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by the police.
The protests started about the killing of a man who was not resisting arrest, but they have become about so much more. The police take an oath to protect and serve. When there is institutionalised racism within so many US police forces, they have failed in their basic duty.
Try to see the bigger picture Indo. I'm a white guy on the other side of the world, but I can understand why POC are rightly pissed off, both here and in the USA. All you seem to do is excuse, ignore, and justify a genuinely shitty situation.
"You sound like a gossiping school mum talking to her friends over a wine.. "
Haha goofy, yep, flagon central
@yorkes, yea what a pathetic policy from a pathetic government.
Like the Michael West article said,
"Of direct contrast, however, must be the relative lack of stimulus spending on social housing, a sector that accounts for more than 350,000 dwellings in Australia. It is an area of desperate need to which some of the HomeBuilder funds could have been allocated.
A recent article by energy efficiency advocates One Step Off The Grid suggests $25,000 would be enough to pay for a full energy efficient retrofit for much of the social housing stock in Australia, leading both to a boost to employment and better outcomes for those dependent on social housing.
Australians could get a lot more bang for the buck using the HomeBuilder funds to support such spending, rather than directing taxpayer dollars to large residential construction companies and already wealthy retirees."
But that would require the sort of policy fortitude that this Government is not exactly known for with its ballistic level of pork-barrelled grants schemes."
Vic mate,
If you use mind altering drugs, traffic these same drugs, carry a gun etc, etc, things never end well!!!!
You live by the sword ,you die by the sword.
As a side note, whats with your photo, looks like a big mouth bogun toting a gun?
Let's be clear nothing justifies his murder or treatment.
But let's get some things correct, if you watch all the videos from different angles, its pretty clear he wasn't cooperating with cops, he wouldn't get in the car hence why eventually ended up on the ground.
It's also pretty clear from all the evidence that he was high.
1. The phone call made to police clearly stated that he was intoxicated in some way.
2. From video clearly not cooperating with police indicates more likely to be intoxicated, at one point there was four of them holding him down, as you most likely know people on meth can gain incredible strength, so explains why they did that.
3. And then the autopsy report confirms meth (and some other drug from memory).
In regard to value of life, you might see all life as equal but i don't, i value the life of decent law abiding people higher than people with a violent criminal history including putting a gun to a pregnant womens stomach.
Anyway this is an old video, she probably has better ones now, but it sums it all up perfectly.
And in regard to riots etc
Anyway IMHO people like Goofy and Vic are just as much a problem to all this racist crap, you people cause as much division as true racist.
Indo writes "On the flip side while George didnt deserve to be murdered or treated in the way he had, he was no angel he had a quite long history of some serious and very violent crimes and results from autopsy show he was HIGH On METH. "
No it didn't . You're a blatant liar.
The toxicology section 6, A4 of the autopsy found "Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL". That's 0.019 mg/L............. That's classed extremely low even on a therapeutic level.
You're just a liar, Indo. You're dismissed.
https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?contenttypeid=1...
OMG Indo: you say nothing justifies his murder, and then you provide a list of excuses. This is followed up by a video by the grifter Candice Owen.
Try answer this very simple question. Are African Americans much more likely to die in police custody than White Americans? Yes or No? A one word answer is fine.
No
Vic,
What about the U.S. black gangs murdering each other on a nightly basis over drug territory? No protests !!!!!
"As a side note, whats with your photo, looks like a big mouth bogun toting a gun?"
It's a scene from The Big Lebowski.
Look it up.
seriously? you really think that argument supports the claim that there is no racial bias in policing?
come on blowin, you are not that stupid to be won over by such a lame argument. so why are you posting this rubbish?
and i presume you fact checked those figures as well, right?
"Are African Americans much more likely to die in police custody than White Americans? Yes or No?"
blowin says "no" and then he puts up a meaningless graph to try and distract people.
Blowin you are bullshitting again. African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to die in police custody.
What is it with you misrepresenting statistics to deny racism or spread your own?
"come on blowin, you are not that stupid to be won over by such a lame argument. so why are you posting this rubbish?"
That's the $79.95 question!
We all know the answer.
Avi Yemini, Candace Owens, Rita Panahi, Lauren Southern, Andrew Bolt, Tucker Carlson, Josephine Cashman.
What a grifter's paradise here on Swellnet!
Special mention goes out to Info's particular fave Jacinta Price, and Blowie's big daddy, the one, the only, the king of all grifters worldwide, Steve Bannon.
Strap yourselves in for the Swellnet 'final solution', comrades!
Vic,
African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to die at the hands of fellow African Americans on the streets !!!!
Can anyone confirm or deny these statistics ? I’d have thought they were more than just relevant .
FBI statistics.... https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/...
The figures are irrelevant because the discussion was about deaths in police custody by race of victim. Do try and keep up.
BTW Blowin, stop bullshitting about African Americans not being more likely to be killed by police. They are 2.5 times more likely to die.
There's some sobering stats here for the US
" 99% of killings by police from 2013-2019 have not resulted in officers being charged with a crime."
That's a pretty solid kill rate (pardon the pun).
https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/
The discussion is Black lives matter. The complaint is black lives ending at white hands.
Vic Local.....how many times more likely is it that a black person kills a cop ?
The statistics are undeniable that black persons commit more homicides than any other race. Does this not warrant inclusion in the discussion ?
Blowin, you are seriously very close to cutting a couple of holes in a white pillow case and sticking it on your head.
Keep speaking like that and alienate every rational person on Earth from the equality movement.
These are hard statistics . They were not invented by someone with a motive. You know the old saying about being able to create your own opinions but not your own facts ? Yeah , it’s appropriate in this instance.
Apologies if this has been said, but I've been offline for a while and can't be bothered trawling back through the discussion.
Seems like we've got a conflation of two issues here. First one is police brutality, second one is racial bias (be that explicit or implicit).
On that note, if you're game, give these tests a go. The results may be eye-opening.
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/australia/selectatest.jsp
Indo -
"But let's get some things correct, if you watch all the videos from different angles, its pretty clear he wasn't cooperating with cops, he wouldn't get in the car hence why eventually ended up on the ground.
It's also pretty clear from all the evidence that he was high.
1. The phone call made to police clearly stated that he was intoxicated in some way.
2. From video clearly not cooperating with police indicates more likely to be intoxicated, at one point there was four of them holding him down, as you most likely know people on meth can gain incredible strength, so explains why they did that.
3. And then the autopsy report confirms meth (and some other drug from memory).
In regard to value of life, you might see all life as equal but i don't, i value the life of decent law abiding people higher than people with a violent criminal history including putting a gun to a pregnant womens stomach."
You've seriously lost the plot mate.. Have you watched any videos of it?!!!
He was walked over to the shop front , then they were beating the fuck out of him in the car, then they were on top of him until they killed him! how did he not co-operate?
"not cooperating with police indicates more likely to be intoxicated,"
Is that a fact?
No its not a fact, its bullshit.
Your the one who sounds like your on meth, your brains fuckin fried Indo. Time for a break from swellnet i think for me, reading your shit makes me to frustrated
Blowin, just comparing the raw number of who-kills-who misses a pretty important point. Black people who commit murder generally face justice.
American cops who kill people during or after an arrest generally do not. And their victims tend to be black people more often than not (though not exclusively).
"Are African Americans much more likely to die in police custody than White Americans? Yes or No? A one word answer is fine."
Honestly not sure what to believe i see so many articles and opinions and figures, but i do know it's more complected than just yes or no or basic stats.
There is two areas.
Deaths in policy custody that in many countries also includes deaths as a result of police chases and then just things like, suicide, natural death, medical conditions etc
Then there is police shootings, of which a policeman are more than 18 times more likely to get shot by a black criminal than a black person get shot by a police.
Then do we break down shootings etc into black and white cops?
For instance it's pretty hard to say its race related if a black cop kills a black criminal.
Then for shootings you need to break down the crimes blacks and whites commit, as obviously the crimes where police are more hands on involved in a shot out etc there is going to be more chance of a shooting.
@Blowin, it's warranted only as far as blue collar crime runs a tight parallel with lower socio-economic markers such as poverty, unemployment, and reduced education.
Goofy foot.
Sorry mate it's you that hasn't obviously watched the video, they try to get him in the car, and for some reason won't get into the car, apparently the excuse is claustrophobic or something.
Anyway IMHO you are a classic example of the problem we have here, first day you claimed it was all about race, your attitude is the same reason many more people have died in riots and peoples business looted and burned, you and others are always setting out to divide..
You didnt see a fucked up cop killing a person, you saw a white cop killing a black guy, and instantly it was about race.
Don't forget dicks stunet. If you've got a dick, you're more likely to commit a violent crime.
blowin likes to ignore things like poverty, educations levels, income disparity, alcohol/drugs, mental health, and gender (the big one) as key factors in violent crime and he jumps straight to race. It's straight out of the Klan handbook.
Fuck off Vic, you are the race baiter, everything is about race too you
Yeah Indo, I'm sure all the coloured rioters were over-reacting, eh?
The whole damn thing is a put on. Racism doesn't exist in the US and has never existed in the US.
Graphs said so.
"Fuck off Vic, you are the race baiter, everything is about race too you"
I just call out racism when I see it. You like to deny the fricken obvious. When blowin makes up stats to support a racist position you're as quiet as a church mouse. When blowin calls for "south Koreans to be rounded up for deportation", there's dead silence from you. When blowin claims black people aren't more likely to be killed by police in the USA, you don't even bat an eyelid. When I call out blowin for his racist bullshit, you get offended. That's just weird mate.
Have it cunts