The Israel Palestine problem solving thread
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velocityjohnno wrote:soggydog wrote:Flollo, could modern day jihadism be seen as a reaction to the Wests meddling in developing Muslim nations when trying to extract resources.
They’re a threat to us because the West is constantly trying to use its economic and military might to extract resources at the expense of local populations.
Again I’m not condoning violence. I’m just trying to understand the conditions that create these problems.
They’re not isolated to the Middle East, we can see the links to wealth/resource extraction in Ukraine. It’s been a pattern in South America and also SE Asia.
Always labelling local uprising with easily reductive pejoratives as “Communists and now Jihadists and Death Cults”It's a much older struggle than the current labels for it.
Yes, you’re right. Also, these 2 just skim the surface. It’s incredible that Ottomans conquered and subjugated European territories to Islam for 500 years. I learned so much about this period, I could probably write a book about it.
I would also flag that mythical but much less known battle at Kosovo in 1379. That bloody thing is like religion to some people and it’s still cause of conflict between people.
^^^ well.. if they could convince yasah arafat and his 'terrorist' PLO into a 2 state solution...
it shouldn't really be impossible
(george bush has a lot to answer for)
the 'post-colonialism' decolonisation narrative developed in western universities over the last few decades isn't helping anything...
firing up the idealists across the world
giving the impression in the ME their time is now
a signal from god...
(and putting a smile on xi's and putin's faces.... a job well done... accomplished...)
There’s a job opportunity for you syp with your omniscience with Henry Kissinger’s death, you’re wasted here schooling us plebs
andy-mac wrote:This is worth a listen.....
I listened to this and I agree with his views. You can see that he spent a lot of time in warzones. And he did it with common people who are the biggest victims of conflict. I really liked his response to that question about 'are all wars evil'. I believe the question was about defending against an existential threat. In summary, he said something like: of course people will defend. No one is a pacifist in a siege. But that doesn't deny the fact that even that defense brings the worst out of people. He explained it in the context of Sarajevo which was a brutal siege with many atrocities committed.
And BTW, that siege was also the birthplace of local gangsters who got rich and powerful through smuggling while infiltrating themselves into after-war politics. In a corrupt system, they got even richer through privatisation, theft, gambling, you name it.
So yes, I would agree, all wars are evil, even when you have to defend yourself.
Terrible unnecessary stuff by the IDF today. Those 2 kids should not have died.
flollo wrote:andy-mac wrote:This is worth a listen.....
I listened to this and I agree with his views. You can see that he spent a lot of time in warzones. And he did it with common people who are the biggest victims of conflict. I really liked his response to that question about 'are all wars evil'. I believe the question was about defending against an existential threat. In summary, he said something like: of course people will defend. No one is a pacifist in a siege. But that doesn't deny the fact that even that defense brings the worst out of people. He explained it in the context of Sarajevo which was a brutal siege with many atrocities committed.
And BTW, that siege was also the birthplace of local gangsters who got rich and powerful through smuggling while infiltrating themselves into after-war politics. In a corrupt system, they got even richer through privatisation, theft, gambling, you name it.
So yes, I would agree, all wars are evil, even when you have to defend yourself.
Cheers @Flollo
Yeah he articulates my thoughts well, better than I ever could. Read one of his book years ago that really struck a chord with me about Sarajevo and like you mentioned it is normal people that get caught up in horrors of war and suffer and it's generally the nastiest people that do well out of it.
I get a bit triggered at times when it's a narrative of us versus them as trying to paint one group as lesser whether through religion, race, etc.
Walk a mile in another's shoes etc.
bonza wrote:soggy - i was actually just trying to make a pretty simple yet somewhat controversial point. Hamas is a islamist jihadist death cult not just concerned with land but the complete annihilation of all jews worldwide. I don't think i need to spell out again what else they stand for and how they rule. The 'elephant in the room' comment that jelly got his knickers all in a knot about was that many people in the Palestinian population support and sympathise with this jihadist regime and their beliefs and other so called islamist freedom fighters (they are not freedom fighters - they are jihadists). That is a terrifying Middle Ages era ideology - a majority population willing to support and or wage jihad for their stupid beliefs. It was kinda evident when the dead bodies Hamas brought back were paraded through the streets to cheering mobs. But now the abc has just published a poll that weighs more into those observations.
you wanna blame Israel for that - that's fine. it's your view. i reckon your wrong
100%
People thinking its about land are kidding themselves, if history had been different and the Jews never lost Israel, do people really think there wouldn't be groups with ideologies like Hamas that want to get rid of all Jews of course not.
The sad thing is Gaza could be a little middle eastern Singapore if their government were more interested in building a prosperous state rather than obsessed with killing Jews, the billions of dollars wasted on building tunnels and rockets would be crazy.
While Hamas is in power the people in Gaza will continue to suffer and people in Israel live a life in fear , if you dont support getting rid of Hamas you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.
And No there will never be a different path to a peaceful resolution for these two groups, if we are just talking Israel & Gaza which the main focus is there already is a two state solution in action and its clearly not working.
Given that Netanyahu has been delegitimising the PA for the past 15 years, this just adds another layer of complexity to the labyrinthine politics of the ME. From one of the less partisan/more objective news sources in Israel.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/pas-abbas-a-liability-in-planning-for-post...
'the ask project' posted above @jelly, cheers, refreshing.. documenting/asking rather than proselytising/vilifying
https://www.timesofisrael.com/three-thousand-interviews-later-a-canadian...
Whatever happened to good ol ''roof knocking''
Tishler, the air force chief of staff, confirmed a shift in policy, telling reporters that the army’s “roof knocking” policy — whereby it would fire a small initial strike on the roof of a building to warn residents that it is about to be struck — is no longer in use “where there is an enemy.” Roof knocking, Tishler said, is “a term that is relevant to rounds [of fighting] and not to war.”
https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bomb...
indo-dreaming wrote:bonza wrote:soggy - i was actually just trying to make a pretty simple yet somewhat controversial point. Hamas is a islamist jihadist death cult not just concerned with land but the complete annihilation of all jews worldwide. I don't think i need to spell out again what else they stand for and how they rule. The 'elephant in the room' comment that jelly got his knickers all in a knot about was that many people in the Palestinian population support and sympathise with this jihadist regime and their beliefs and other so called islamist freedom fighters (they are not freedom fighters - they are jihadists). That is a terrifying Middle Ages era ideology - a majority population willing to support and or wage jihad for their stupid beliefs. It was kinda evident when the dead bodies Hamas brought back were paraded through the streets to cheering mobs. But now the abc has just published a poll that weighs more into those observations.
you wanna blame Israel for that - that's fine. it's your view. i reckon your wrong
if you dont support getting rid of Hamas you are part of the problem and not part of the solution
Keeping in mind Hamas was created by Israel for Israel's own benefit...
Something that has been dismissed and ignored amongst the most recent enforced narrative in regard to israel / palestine is the parallel between this current media environment and the similar methods pushed upon the population for covid and also with the russia / ukraine debacle…
All scenarios involve an assumption of perceived absolute blame and you must align with the chosen narrative - there are repercussions for challenging the status quo - threats of loss of employment, being cancelled or loss of endorsements / sponsors etc are used as a measure to manipulate personal and public opinion. It is a proven technique to stall and diminish impartial objectivity and used purposefully to punish any dissent…
It is antithetical to liberty and ‘freedom’ ;);)
However… it is a predominant quality of modern western government policy.
- strange that in a supposed ‘democratic’ framework, with the celebrated ideal of free speech, that such methods of censorship and information control are still employed to try mould and dictate particular falsehoods to suit a desired version of events.
After recent threats (from bob iger of disney) to pull advertising from twitter / x … elon musk has responded ;)
Now, I’m no elon fan… but this is what humans require when it comes to the reality of honesty and having principles. You can’t pay off someone with monetary incentives if they already have enough money. You also can’t threaten someone with the loss of their reputation, their money or their livelihood if they aren’t scared and don’t actually give a shit about what other people think about them ;)
- “ Let the chips fall where they may… what I care about is the reality of goodness, not the perception of it. And what I see all over the place is people who care about looking good while doing evil… fuck them… “
This is strength, compassion and integrity at play ;)
- it’s also something the warmongering ‘leaders’ of the world lack in spades, yet something the people of earth still have within their grasp…
Some might say he’s a goose, and it will probly be reported as a negative hit piece… but the bloke has a strength of conviction that is admirable. With idiots like biden and netanyahu at the helm, we need examples of moral fortitude where influential figures can’t and won’t be corrupted by the lure of big money or threats of material loss.
- not sure if the current breed of politicians, lobbyists, media magnates and military arms producers are ready… but this kind of attitude is worth a go ;)
“…tell it to earth, let’s see how earth responds to that…” ;);)
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you must have missed the continual Free Palestine protests happening worldwide?
from the schools & universities to thestreets to the media to the theatre and the parliament.
you can do that in a democracy.
lol! where you been Jelly? Step away from the Youtube "narrative" :):):):):):):):):):)
philosurphizingkerching wrote:Whatever happened to good ol ''roof knocking''
Tishler, the air force chief of staff, confirmed a shift in policy, telling reporters that the army’s “roof knocking” policy — whereby it would fire a small initial strike on the roof of a building to warn residents that it is about to be struck — is no longer in use “where there is an enemy.” Roof knocking, Tishler said, is “a term that is relevant to rounds [of fighting] and not to war.”
https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bomb...
Wow, this is a fascinating, detailed article. One of the best read on the topic.
Jelly Flater wrote:Something that has been dismissed and ignored amongst the most recent enforced narrative in regard to israel / palestine is the parallel between this current media environment and the similar methods pushed upon the population for covid and also with the russia / ukraine debacle…
All scenarios involve an assumption of perceived absolute blame and you must align with the chosen narrative - there are repercussions for challenging the status quo - threats of loss of employment, being cancelled or loss of endorsements / sponsors etc are used as a measure to manipulate personal and public opinion. It is a proven technique to stall and diminish impartial objectivity and used purposefully to punish any dissent…
It is antithetical to liberty and ‘freedom’ ;);)
However… it is a predominant quality of modern western government policy.- strange that in a supposed ‘democratic’ framework, with the celebrated ideal of free speech, that such methods of censorship and information control are still employed to try mould and dictate particular falsehoods to suit a desired version of events.
After recent threats (from bob iger of disney) to pull advertising from twitter / x … elon musk has responded ;)
Now, I’m no elon fan… but this is what humans require when it comes to the reality of honesty and having principles. You can’t pay off someone with monetary incentives if they already have enough money. You also can’t threaten someone with the loss of their reputation, their money or their livelihood if they aren’t scared and don’t actually give a shit about what other people think about them ;)
- “ Let the chips fall where they may… what I care about is the reality of goodness, not the perception of it. And what I see all over the place is people who care about looking good while doing evil… fuck them… “
This is strength, compassion and integrity at play ;)
- it’s also something the warmongering ‘leaders’ of the world lack in spades, yet something the people of earth still have within their grasp…Some might say he’s a goose, and it will probly be reported as a negative hit piece… but the bloke has a strength of conviction that is admirable. With idiots like biden and netanyahu at the helm, we need examples of moral fortitude where influential figures can’t and won’t be corrupted by the lure of big money or threats of material loss.
- not sure if the current breed of politicians, lobbyists, media magnates and military arms producers are ready… but this kind of attitude is worth a go ;)
“…tell it to earth, let’s see how earth responds to that…” ;);)
So much was said about 'MSM' and 'narratives'. How evil and corrupt they are etc. But honestly, how much influence do they have these days? Who watches that news? I personally hardly know anyone. In the age of streaming and the abundance of information how many people regularly watch MSM news and take it seriously? I tend to believe that most people don't do that. Am I wrong in believing this?
EDIT: I need to correct myself, my 70-year-old father-in-law watches the news nonstop. So maybe that generation is still into it. But I don't think that anyone else is.
@bonza…
“you must have missed the continual Free Palestine protests happening worldwide?“
- and you’ve missed the point. Again ;););)
‘ what I care about is the reality of goodness, not the perception of it. And what I see all over the place is people who care about looking good while doing evil… ‘
- problem solving ;)
@flollo… you’re right ;)
- it’s mainly the oldies…
Same age bracket as the bidens and netanyahus ;);)
… then and now
- lol… derppppp… where you been bonza ;)
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Jelly's last few posts promoting the classic - but still plenty of life left in them - common anti-semitic conspiracies:
1. Defending Musk behaviour and the tweet that saw Musk support the conspiracy that Jewish communities "have it coming" and push hatred against Whites. I've just given your Musk love-in post some "context" :):):):):):)
2. That the jews control all the major Global decision-making institutions -e.g media, government and so are silencing those who speak against israel and the jews.
so full of hate Jelly.
R U OK?
Haha bonza ;)
- so full of assumptions and ignorance ;);)
* Note the bit about me not being a fan of elon …
- I’m not defending anything other than his rebuttal to bribery and coercion.
Nice try with the antisemitism accusatory tones ;)
- and then tryin to ask if I’m ok ;);)
…but …yeah …keep clutching at your misinterpreted delusions.
- all you have are little scribbles that only serve to cloud the big picture ;)
- and no hating ;)
… just a ‘go fuck yaself’ with a big smile ;);)
righto jelly :):):):):):):):):)
…and …lighten up numbnuts ;)
Lol says ys the guy who can't write a reply without a barrage of name calling.
I'm floating mate. R U OK?
Haha ;)
…as you name call ppl as being antisemites ;);)
- whilst floating on your sea of hasbara…
Go forth el hypocrite…
- and… float on… ( it’s ok to be anti monk )
;)
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&pp=ygUIZmxvYXQgb24%3D oh did the anti-semite conspiracy repeater accusation upset the school yard bully boy?
It's ok Jelly - I don't actually think you are an anti-semite - you're clearly lacking the intelligence to understand the things you post and copy from youtube even when its xenophobic. It's ok that you made a mistake. pick yourself up tiger, and carry on with the nasty words. we all think you are a funny smart guy with important things to say.
R U OK jelly?
flollo wrote:Jelly Flater wrote:Something that has been dismissed and ignored amongst the most recent enforced narrative in regard to israel / palestine is the parallel between this current media environment and the similar methods pushed upon the population for covid and also with the russia / ukraine debacle…
All scenarios involve an assumption of perceived absolute blame and you must align with the chosen narrative - there are repercussions for challenging the status quo - threats of loss of employment, being cancelled or loss of endorsements / sponsors etc are used as a measure to manipulate personal and public opinion. It is a proven technique to stall and diminish impartial objectivity and used purposefully to punish any dissent…
It is antithetical to liberty and ‘freedom’ ;);)
However… it is a predominant quality of modern western government policy.- strange that in a supposed ‘democratic’ framework, with the celebrated ideal of free speech, that such methods of censorship and information control are still employed to try mould and dictate particular falsehoods to suit a desired version of events.
After recent threats (from bob iger of disney) to pull advertising from twitter / x … elon musk has responded ;)
Now, I’m no elon fan… but this is what humans require when it comes to the reality of honesty and having principles. You can’t pay off someone with monetary incentives if they already have enough money. You also can’t threaten someone with the loss of their reputation, their money or their livelihood if they aren’t scared and don’t actually give a shit about what other people think about them ;)
- “ Let the chips fall where they may… what I care about is the reality of goodness, not the perception of it. And what I see all over the place is people who care about looking good while doing evil… fuck them… “
This is strength, compassion and integrity at play ;)
- it’s also something the warmongering ‘leaders’ of the world lack in spades, yet something the people of earth still have within their grasp…Some might say he’s a goose, and it will probly be reported as a negative hit piece… but the bloke has a strength of conviction that is admirable. With idiots like biden and netanyahu at the helm, we need examples of moral fortitude where influential figures can’t and won’t be corrupted by the lure of big money or threats of material loss.
- not sure if the current breed of politicians, lobbyists, media magnates and military arms producers are ready… but this kind of attitude is worth a go ;)
“…tell it to earth, let’s see how earth responds to that…” ;);)
So much was said about 'MSM' and 'narratives'. How evil and corrupt they are etc. But honestly, how much influence do they have these days? Who watches that news? I personally hardly know anyone. In the age of streaming and the abundance of information how many people regularly watch MSM news and take it seriously? I tend to believe that most people don't do that. Am I wrong in believing this?
EDIT: I need to correct myself, my 70-year-old father-in-law watches the news nonstop. So maybe that generation is still into it. But I don't think that anyone else is.
Same my old man, 73, watches the news religiously. Watches Sky News too. This generation also held the balance of power in regards to voting for decades. That’s a rabbit hole for another time.
…haha, the bonza dribbles :
“ oh did the anti-semite conspiracy repeater accusation upset the school yard bully boy?
It's ok Jelly - I don't actually think you are an anti-semite - you're clearly lacking the intelligence to understand the things you post and copy from youtube even when its xenophobic. It's ok that you made a mistake. pick yourself up tiger, and carry on with the nasty words. we all think you are a funny smart guy with important things to say.
R U OK jelly?”
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Oh. Hi there bonza boy ;)
- thanks for repeating yaself… I’m ok ;);)
Hope you are enjoying the whole calling ppl names like bully boy etc after trying to call them out on …ummm …calling ppl names.
- that must be a kewl game ;);)
… it must be like also calling ppl antisemitic but then trying to walk it back and say you don’t actually think that about them… but… ummm… then try question their intelligence and make petty insinuations about things like xenophobia and think that you are really smart …ummm …and stuff ;)
You seem really important ;);)
- thank you for your guidance here, it’s valuable to know the ‘intelligent’ ppl like yaself have a low calorie but high hasbara diet regime. It’s good to know your opinions are superior and fair and without nasty words ;)
Please continue to float on… yet for a bloke continually getting upset about nothing… ummm… you are ok ;););););)
… but keep projecting just how un - ok you are with everything that doesn’t suit your narrative of the juice ;)
- and enjoy your food
…that be some juicy hasbara you are feasting on ;);)
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&pp=ygUWUmVwZWF0IHlvdXJzZWxmIHBhcm9keQ%3D%3D …and lighten up tiger cub ;)
- the zohan will protect you ok ;);)
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&pp=ygUaZG9uJ3QgbWVzcyB3aXRoIHRoZSB6b2hhbiA%3D there you go ol' boy. I knew you had it in you. back on the bike jelly - put that in the youtube search - that'll be a cracker.
ok ok your right - I did walk it back - I was just trying to make you feel better- you are actually a tiny huge cray cray on the anti-semitic side. Might wanna keep an eye on that jelly.. crazy what that belief can make one do. youtube it. :):):):):):):) but seriously R U OK?
Wow, yeah… kewl…
- you’re back on ya bike without a seat ;)
… and that’s just the way you like it bonza boy…
- maybe that’s why you’re always so butthurt ;);)
Float on sheepie bonza…
- float on ;)
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&pp=ygUMU2hlZXAgc2NyZWFt A great writeup from today's AFR.
https://www.afr.com/world/middle-east/the-left-is-killing-the-prospects-...
The left is killing the prospects of a Palestinian state
Unless Western champions of the Palestinian cause acknowledge Hamas’s fanaticism, they are making a two-state solution less likely.
Bret StephensContributor
Nov 29, 2023 – 9.56am
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Do the people chanting “Free Palestine” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” have any idea of the irreparable harm they’re doing to any hope of Palestinian sovereignty?
For decades, the question of a Palestinian state has come down to two dates: 1948 and 1967. Most Western supporters of Palestinian statehood have argued that the key date is the Six-Day War of June 1967, when Israel, faced with open threats of annihilation, took possession of the Golan Heights, the West Bank, east Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula.
According to this line of thinking, the way to peace rested on Arab diplomatic recognition of Israel in exchange for the return of these so-called occupied territories. That’s what happened between Egypt and Israel at Camp David in 1978, and what might have happened at Camp David in 2000 if Yasser Arafat had only accepted the offer of full statehood made to him by then-prime minister Ehud Barak of Israel.
Palestinian supporters on October 9 at the Sydney Opera House, who chanted “Gas the Jews!” AP
Yet, there has always been a second narrative, which dates “the occupation” not to 1967 but to 1948, when Israel came into being as a sovereign state. By this argument, it isn’t just east Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Golan Heights that are occupied by Israel: It’s Haifa, Tel Aviv, Eilat and west Jerusalem, too. For Palestine to be “liberated,” Israel itself must end.
Starting in the 1970s, the 1948ers were known as the “rejectionist front.” More recently, they have become the “axis of resistance.” Membership includes Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the Assad regime in Syria and Iran’s Revolutionary Guard – a who’s who of designated terrorist groups and their state sponsors.
On October 7, the axis of resistance became the face of the Palestinian movement. On October 8, demonstrators around the world chose to embrace that axis. Sometimes they did so unwittingly, believing there was no contradiction between being pro-Palestinian and supporting Israel’s right to exist, or not understanding the implications of the slogans they were chanting.
But just as often they have done so wittingly.
‘The worst people on Earth’
Such embraces have consequences. For one, they put a growing fraction of the progressive left objectively on the side of some of the worst people on Earth – and in radical contradiction with their self-professed values.
“A left that, rightly, demands absolute condemnation of white-nationalist supremacy refuses to dissociate itself from Islamist supremacy,” Susie Linfield, a professor of journalism at New York University, wrote in an important recent essay in the online journal Quillette. “A left that lauds intersectionality hasn’t noticed that Hamas’ axis of support consists of Iran, famous most recently for killing hundreds of protesters demanding women’s freedom.”
For another, they reinforce the central convictions and deepest fears of the Israeli right: that Palestinians have never reconciled themselves to the existence of Israel in any borders; that every Israeli territorial or diplomatic concession is seen by Palestinians as evidence of weakness; that a Palestinian state in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank would only serve as a launchpad for an intensified assault on Israel; that every criticism of Israeli policies in the occupied territories veils a deep-seated hatred of the Jewish state.
When the left embraces the zero-sum politics of Palestinian resistance, it merely encourages the zero-sum politics of hard-core Israeli settlers and their supporters.
A third consequence is that it abandons the Palestinian people to their worst leaders.
It’s bad enough that the West has long accepted, and funded, Mahmoud Abbas’ repressive kleptocracy based in the West Bank city of Ramallah.
But what Hamas has given the people over whom it rules is infinitely worse: theocratic despotism, soaked in the blood of Palestinian “martyrs,” most of whom never signed themselves or their families up to serve as human shields in an endless – and in the long run, hopeless – battle with Israel.
It’s fine for Israel’s harshest critics to ask hard questions of Israel’s leaders. But when those same critics stop asking equally hard questions of Palestinian leaders, they are not advocating a cause. They are merely submitting to a regime.
The world, including Israel, has a common interest in an eventual Palestinian state that cares more about building itself up than tearing its neighbours down; that invests its energy in future prosperity, not past glory; that accepts compromise and rejects fanaticism.
Since October 7, the loudest self-professed champions of the Palestinian cause have advocated the precise opposite. It may be a recipe for smug self-satisfaction, but it’s also how to kill a Palestinian state.
…everybody wants to see …ummm …huuuuge economic growth ;)
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I see Jelly brain is still dumping his junk tube videos on top of good rational discussion to bury it as usual …..unbelievable… the junk master with no life…..oh but suppose trolling through you tube all day is a kind of life….awesome eh.
for my 2 cents worth, this is a weird thread! Jelly Flater do you have a job? I’d never have time to watch so many YouTube videos and comment so often in forums.
Haha ;)
- I work when I want… and play when I want too !
No time for fuckwits like floptimist ;)
- what a farkn pathetic bullshit artist christian wannabe dickhead he is.
Don’t pretend you can use the word ‘rational’ flopti…
- u farkn sci fi wormhole planet heaven fantasy lawd fraud ;);)
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…and try school us on the rationale of this stuff flopti.
- crazy indeed what beliefs can make one do ;)
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jellybrainburleigh getting exposed lmao
Haha ;)
- ‘exposed’…. like those elephant nuts exposed to your mouth ay ;);)
… you’d probly applaud this Nobel peace prize recipient.
- whilst you cheer on the bibi / biden murder show ;)
They’re all one and the same.
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cool, as long as you’re having fun
Exactly ;)
- and there is nothing wrong with challenging a lie about god promising a certain ‘chosen’ people a particular chunk of land, and also challenging how that lie is used as a supposed legitimate excuse for inexcusable behaviour…
Pretty sure if I rocked up to yours or anyone else’s house and said that ‘according to a promise god made to me thousands of years ago this is mine’ it wouldn’t fit under the banner of ‘rational’ ;);)
I’m certain this kind of divinely imagined bullshit wouldn’t be received well by anyone, anywhere…
- and that’s why I call it out… for the sheer arrogance of it, coupled with the assumption everyone has to accept it, regardless of faith or ethnicity.
… it’s straight up …ummm …how u say it …ummm … cray cray ;)
‘…god promised this to me, ummm, so it’s mine… ummm …forever.’
- bullshit ;)
This mythical belief is by far the single largest elephant leading the stampede…
But hey… lots of other weird and wonderful stuff goin on out there.
- and no harm in trying the lighten up approach ;)
Roadkill wrote:A great writeup from today's AFR.
https://www.afr.com/world/middle-east/the-left-is-killing-the-prospects-...
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Yeah cool article Roadkill...
“A left that lauds intersectionality hasn’t noticed that Hamas’ axis of support consists of Iran, famous most recently for killing hundreds of protesters demanding women’s freedom.”j
A little fact checking though...
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/16/have-15000-protesters-been-sen...
Which i guess makes the rest of the article complete bullshit too.
Nice one Roady. ;-)
Re: Henry Kissinger
It always makes me want to puke when Kissinger and his ilk are lauded for "preserving and advancing the liberal humanitarian values of the West".
https://theconversation.com/henry-kissinger-has-died-the-titan-of-us-for...
From being involved in the overthrow of a democratically elected government in Chile to organising the carpet bombing of Cambodia and Laos with the resulting deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians, it seems like "humanitarian values" were a long way down his list of priorities.
Christopher Hitchens called him a war criminal and a "stupendous liar".
Vietnam War whistleblower Fred Branfman argued that "only a nation in deep spiritual and psychological disarray could honor a man with as much blood on his hands as Henry Kissinger".
Jelly Flater wrote:Something that has been dismissed and ignored amongst the most recent enforced narrative in regard to israel / palestine is the parallel between this current media environment and the similar methods pushed upon the population for covid and also with the russia / ukraine debacle…
All scenarios involve an assumption of perceived absolute blame and you must align with the chosen narrative - there are repercussions for challenging the status quo - threats of loss of employment, being cancelled or loss of endorsements / sponsors etc are used as a measure to manipulate personal and public opinion. It is a proven technique to stall and diminish impartial objectivity and used purposefully to punish any dissent…
It is antithetical to liberty and ‘freedom’ ;);)
However… it is a predominant quality of modern western government policy.- strange that in a supposed ‘democratic’ framework, with the celebrated ideal of free speech, that such methods of censorship and information control are still employed to try mould and dictate particular falsehoods to suit a desired version of events.
After recent threats (from bob iger of disney) to pull advertising from twitter / x … elon musk has responded ;)
Now, I’m no elon fan… but this is what humans require when it comes to the reality of honesty and having principles. You can’t pay off someone with monetary incentives if they already have enough money. You also can’t threaten someone with the loss of their reputation, their money or their livelihood if they aren’t scared and don’t actually give a shit about what other people think about them ;)
- “ Let the chips fall where they may… what I care about is the reality of goodness, not the perception of it. And what I see all over the place is people who care about looking good while doing evil… fuck them… “
This is strength, compassion and integrity at play ;)
- it’s also something the warmongering ‘leaders’ of the world lack in spades, yet something the people of earth still have within their grasp…Some might say he’s a goose, and it will probly be reported as a negative hit piece… but the bloke has a strength of conviction that is admirable. With idiots like biden and netanyahu at the helm, we need examples of moral fortitude where influential figures can’t and won’t be corrupted by the lure of big money or threats of material loss.
- not sure if the current breed of politicians, lobbyists, media magnates and military arms producers are ready… but this kind of attitude is worth a go ;)
“…tell it to earth, let’s see how earth responds to that…” ;);)
Holy shit that was epic. Elon's principles standing tall.
And by calling that epic I am neither condemning or condoning either side. Maybe there's a bit of irritation at Disney's current direction in there.
Here we go again ,… Jelly still trying to convince people that Israel is not indigenous to the land they live on.
Just because violent people over many thousands of years continually either try to drive them off their land or succeed in doing so doesn’t make it not theirs.
Over 3500 years of written history. Yes written accessible documented history from all theirs and the surrounding cultures past and present.
All the decent Bedouin Arabs acknowledge Israel’s homeland.
And the newbies since Islam started trying once again to wipe them out….
Gaza could be a paradise with the finance they get…but the Islamists choose hatred and war because Israel won’t submit to their prophet and doctrine.
Just like we wouldn’t.
Israel has agreed over and over again to a two state solution giving up some of their own original land but Islam always rejects this because they are evil…and the people suffer instead of prosper.
All part of the history of the world…best found in the Britannica and other history sources ……not narrative driven bullshit on you tube.
Haha ;)
- the oracle of fakery still whimpers on ;)
Only the ‘other’ guys are violent and evil… yeah sure ;)
- what a convoluted and one eyed version of your own edited take of ‘history’ (still can’t see with that plank in ya eye!)
I’ll give u a hint flopti you farkn deluded professor of false religiously manipulated storytelling…
- and whilst you conveniently keep disregarding and failing to acknowledge the rich history of christian inspired genocide, invasion and occupation (ummmm… remember the crusades, colonisation and destruction of indigenous cultures of north and south americas - all the way to iraq, afghanistan and syria etc)
Quit trying to sprout historical untruths and paint another religion as the only perpetrator of death and war. You are an incessant bullshit artist and a continual fact avoider ;)
- that’s why u pretend we must accept and follow your insane musings about the lawd returning to save u etc and all the complete nonsense u made up bout planet heaven as being… ummm… real ;);)
Your credibility is as good as a pedo priest ;)
- hope you enjoy the history being created now…
It’s the systematic and continuous slaughter of innocent children.
- u can’t convince anyone otherwise… you farkn cowardly divine messenger of bullshit ;)
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