Vaccinate or not
@JQ , how many patients have our government experts treated ? A interesting statement in the video was that NIH in the US is a major stakeholder in moderna .AZ isn’t approved in the US even though they gave a stockpile , AZ copped some hesitation as did JJ because of blood clots but Pfizer and moderna which had more blood clot reactions received nearly nil media response. The whole thing stinks and it was a race that should never have happened , patients being treated needed to be the priority but it was go home and wait for a vaccine. Have a look at the video JQ in the second link as the Dr explains the original Wuhan strain of covid 19 no longer exists and we now have 14 other mutant strains. Treatment needs to be the priority .
The slime
Have a gander at the costs per vaccine,. Might answer the question of why Pfizer copped so little press regarding clotting.
As the saying goes, follow the money
Supa, I'm sure our government health experts are smart enough to have a well considered opinion without actually requiring first hand experience of treating people.
I'm not so much across the US situation, although I'd have less faith in the integrity of their institutions than ours here in Australia.
I'm not sure I agree with you on treatment needing to be the priority, I'd definitely say they should be putting a lot more effort into it than there appears to be at present. How ever, I think the priority must absolutely be with doing everything we can possibly do to prevent this disease becoming endemic as that would be truly disastrous.
Fliplid, what's your point re the cost of pfizers vaccine? As per the linked article it seems to be in the middle ground...
@JQ , Unfortunately I believe it will go endemic , early predictions were it will take 6 years to vaccinate the world, it’s going to keep mutating and like the Dr said it will probably just become another disease that we learn to live with and is very treatable. Tuberculosis has been on earth before man and we had some sort of a grip on it but latest reports are that it has become resistant to the vaccine . It kills 1.5 million annually. The world hasn’t been able to irradiate TB so I doubt very much covid as contagious as it is will . Some of the new strains are more contagious but less deadly. Vaccination will be a annual thing unless you have your own antibodies. Big $$$ in annual jab . What really sux is without the jab you can’t travel . Its now the only reason I will probably get it.
@JQ , here’s some ivermectin links , in the second link you can click on studies and then scroll across to see countries using ivermectin . Unfortunately a black market has evolved and some are sold the animal variety, if not administered as the protocol dictates then it won’t be as effective, education and doctors are not available in many places where people are desperate. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ijantimicag.2020.106248 https://c19ivermectin.com/
Vaccinate or not ~ China Vax Sinovac ~ review 25th March
https://www.swellnet.com/comment/723306
tbb agrees it needs an update...but would crew accept stats on a Chinese Vax or A Cuban Vax?
(see below) For UK Vax stats Censorship.
Already 200-300 Covid vaxes in 2001
Many nations rolling out these vax have no means of Tallying on a National (2 day timeline!)
Be pretty hard to surf that wave...or the one below...
WHO are bidding for 100's / 5 year vax ports for China Fleets zeroing in on EU hanger ons
South Korea vax Hub reckon the Vax deals are worth 5-10x of Today's $1.5b amounts.
Each Covid Vax deal is worth 2x a Flu Vax deal.
Oz is wiped out of vax game for next 5 years so will pay dearly.
So yeah! Hard to believe... this Global vax rules the Planet for 150,000 Vaccinate or not pages...
supafreak retires as a billionaire beach bum sponging off swellnet forum royalties.
tbb is always looking for Anomalies as in Vitamin D / melanin or call it Sunlight...
There are no real stats that show ( Sun dosed outdoor Recreation as opposed to arenas etc...)
Please excuse this brutal Stat Hack as it does exploit extreme Oz Sunlovers...{RIP} tbb is a savage.
Working on 30min / Sunlight/day & /or recreation as building up Covid immunity.
Happy to share exclusive & it plays out well...but again it's a work in progress...can't lock it in.
Top 7 Skin Cancer Nations (Apologies!) (*Oz as Key)
(*Oz 33.6/100K) / NZ / Norway / Denmark / Netherlands / Sweden / Germany 21.6/100K
( Least Covid > Most Covid ) > Top 20 All rate Low
NZ / (*Oz 15 day/1m covid / Norway / Germany / Denmark / Netherlands / Sweden 730day/1m
( Why 7 ) Covid Peak Spikes under 1,000d/m day for Top 17/20 sunloving Nations.( A breakthru?)
However there were 3 Anomalies 9 Belgium 1,526 / 11 Luxembourg 1,109 / 12 Ireland 1,323
eg: (Jan) - Ireland Vax Rollout 34 Nursing Homes / 4,300 cases / 369 deaths (No phone contact-Shh!)
Again tbb was not looking for this morbid Govt Killing Spree...(Same as India) Please make it stop!
You see how Govt are also fouling life saving Covid data with their Inheritance rorts...just give up!
tbb is midway checking to see if lockdowns deprived Sun that weakened their vax immunity.
Ok! It sounds mental...but this is important for high Sun lovin' vax deprived nation like Oz. (Agreed!)
Basically tbb is looking for an Oz Plan B as Govt fucked up any future Oz made Rollout solution.
WHO padded our Experts, so just thought crew might push on without the bimbo cheer squad.
Reckon the crew have Steam Rolled ahead by jump startin' the Cuban Vax with lucky-al.
Guessing we inhale this Cuban Vax?
PS: {Desperately seeking} Uncooked rollout that shows a rise in Vax that lowers Covid cases.
Media are waist deep in them...yet tbb has spent months looking for just half of one!
Truly seek just an old school crooked fake Rollout as on offset to gauge the Vax > Covid ramps.
That's the Holy Grail...just one crook example of the Vax in Action...bloody well die wondering!
2020 UK went 4 months under 50 cases/day...No mask / Vax & never once made the news?
It did rise & Fall again but then this ....
8th Dec Rollout starts & (Kaboom!) Covid Skyrockets (tbb can no longer demonstrate this...see below!)
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/02/blog-posting/former-pf...
2021 UK struggles 1 Month under 50 cases/day with Masks / Lockdowns / Vax...(Head of The Beast!)
PS : Our World in Data (Now Officially corrupted) A sad day for researchers.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
All know that the Vax > Covid link is exposed ....First to be wiped is UK...( restricted - Censored )
It makes sense to Pay off the Statisticians...much more economical & tidy...wipe hands...Wot bodies!
8th Dec UK was first country to Rollout now...Whole 1st month of Vax > Cases data is erased.
Restricted to 3rd Jan - Mixed Chart / Doses Administered ( Now just a pile of fake useless shit )
Restricted to 10/11th Jan - Doses + 100/day / < > Data ( Vax > Case link Never existed ).
All other countries are as they where...but for how long? If you want to print of Vax Stats better hurry.
Can tell you which ones are going next if ya like! That's pretty obvious!
Whole new World of Safe Vax forever by simply buying out the Stats Guy!
( Big Pharma / Guns / Tobacco / Oil ) All equally efficient killing machines.
tbb has heard that on Planet Earth the Spacemen Vax-ray Covid Mutants into piles of dust.
Wow! Imagine if we could do that...What planet are we on?
JQ, AZ are selling at cost while Pfizer and the others are aiming for profit so it is a fair chance that there is more lobbying going on behind the scenes promoting the other vaccines. Or possibly I’m just being too much of a cynic
Famous for viagra Pfizer is also famous for fraud. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2875889/
@JQ not sure if you watched this testimony at the texas senate hearing , I posted it in March/April same Dr with some great points about censorship and what doctoring is about. https://www.todayville.com/calgary/theres-another-way-to-end-the-pandemi...
An impressive level of bat training.
I'm still not convinced that the pandemic was an accident.
The only developed or emerging country that didn't experience negative growth during this pandemic was you guessed it- China.
@zen , do you hear anything about the ivermectin trials they started in Japan last September ? I still haven’t seen results. https://contextly.com/redirect/channel/from/post/params/Y2hhbm5lbDYwOTU2...
No mate, I haven't. But in terms of vaccinating the public here, the Japanese have been less than stellar. Less than 1% of 1% so far. And they are supposedly going to hold the Olympics two months from now. For a country as supposedly efficient as Japan, the level of incompetence here is staggering.
Yeah on the box tonight it said Tokyo has 800 cases a day ? I’ve also read reports that the Japanese people aren’t interested in a foreign vaccine ( trust issues ) and that the ivermectin trials were needed . The link l put up said they had trouble recruiting volunteers for the trials .
To me it seems strange that governments and health officials recommended getting vaccinated even if you have had and recovered from covid 19 , there is more than one Dr saying this is madness and asking for trouble in fact Australians Professor Clancy warned against this month’s ago . Dr Peter Mcullough said recovered patients should be given a gold standard pass as your own immunity is greater protection than any vaccine. https://trialsitenews.com/large-prospective-cohort-study-in-england-84-o... And here’s some thoughts on India and what’s happened. https://contextly.com/redirect/channel/from/post/params/Y2hhbm5lbDYwOTcw...
Disinformation Misinformation. https://contextly.com/redirect/channel/from/post/params/Y2hhbm5lbDYwOTg1...
Goa rolling out ivermectin. https://contextly.com/redirect/channel/from/post/params/Y2hhbm5lbDYwOTk1...
Good on Mundine, he's at least now due to retirement in a position to speak openly without retribution from his masters. This article is 101 mainstream media... Have someone speak out against the general direction and then do your best to dis-credit them. Those last 2-3 paragraphs are a desperate attempt to do just that. Any balanced media would remind you just how much of a physical freak he really is.
I'd say he knows what the body and mind is capable of more than most. Especially an overweight, out of shape, pot bellied, drooping postured politician or Chief medical officer.
shortenism wrote:I'd say he knows what the body and mind is capable of more than most. .
No doubt his body, but if you have seen any live interviews with him lately, I don't quite think his mind is very capable.
“ Any balanced media would remind you just how much of a physical freak he really is.”
Are you serious?
Haven’t read a penthouse article in years , came across this one written in April 2021 https://www.penthouse.com.au/AMP_EDN/446/Vaccination-Nation-Should-You-G...
Last 4 paragraphs are an attempt to completely dis-credit him. Look at the language. Yep i’m Serious.
Last 4 paragraphs are an attempt to completely dis-credit him. Look at the language. Yep i’m Serious.
Mundine is carrying on like a mad man.
Fella is unhinged making claims like that, he deserves to be discredited.
Mundine is carrying on like a mad man.
Fella is unhinged making claims like that, he deserves to be discredited.
Fauci to the rescue. https://trialsitenews.com/an-interview-with-dr-fauci-where-does-he-stand...
Fauci
Interesting video.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-anthony-fauci-let-the-cor...
...something resembling 'the truth' is slowly leaking out... like a gained function corona seeping from the biosecurity standards of a dental surgery office... which is relatively quick...
the misinformation and false narrative that has gained traction as a diversion is alarming to say the least... then add to that the money element...
you've really gotta wonder what has been a slow learning experience and what is intentional misinformation
a deadly deadly brew of public manipulations, saving face, tds, and collusion at the highest levels of governnent, business, big pharma medicine, and the industrial media enterainment complex...
once again, it's those that have been yelling 'conspiracy' the loudest that are being revealed as the true conspirers...
"....But instead, the government and its “stakeholders” in Big Pharma chose to focus on vaccines. At the same time, news organizations were recruited to present only one side of the vaccine story.
Mainstream outlets have agreed to not allow any news critical of the shots to reach the American people. This corrupt collusion falls under the Trusted News Initiative, a global collaboration signed onto by Big Tech social-media giants and many of its corrupt corporate media “partners.”
The partners signed onto the Trusted News Initiative to date are: Associated Press, AFP; BBC, CBC/Radio-Canada, European Broadcasting Union (EBU), Facebook, Financial Times, First Draft, Google/YouTube, The Hindu, Microsoft, Reuters, Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism, Twitter, The Washington Post. The New York Times has also participated in the past..."
colluding... conspiring...
tomatoe... tomato...
https://leohohmann.com/2021/04/30/highly-cited-covid-doctor-comes-to-stu...
@blowin , waiting for some punters to rubbish the fauci video simply because its tucker on Fox News lol , I posted a similar video a few months back and was discussing with sypkan how it was pretty “out there “and the accusations were surely defamation against fauci and how do journalists get away with it in the US. ? Are there different laws there ? Looking at all these organisations like the CDC , WHO , NIH , FDA they seem to all be tarred with the same brush. Looking back through history at the smear campaign against cannabis by big pharma in the 1920’s and 30’s not much has changed when $$ are concerned the priority is to make profits at any cost and if caught they just pay a fine usually with out contesting it in court and move on to the next money making scheme. Sooner or later the truth will come out and meanwhile we are in for more of the same shit , travel for most of us is going to be along way off with the latest forecast being mid next year but we have been told that before and alot can happen between now and then . Let’s just hope for a winter like last year as surfing keeps as relatively sane in a insane world .
Japan's cases like many...were running down to 680/day & like many ramped them 10x with vax.
Priority Vaxing 1m's 100% least immune insomniacs sees them infect 2-3x Covid Hot Spots frontline.
Most wealthy vaxed cities > most elderly / inheritance tax > most cases > 10x Hospital resource...
All nations have known since early Feb on how to Rollout Covid & target when & where they like.
Crew & others may wish for Japan to Rollout faster but clearly see they ramp covid each & every time.
More perfect than a bus timetable...Ramp Vax = No Olympics (vs) Capped Rollout = Olympics
March Japan cases were falling to 680 cases / day (Island Nation has least need for vax)
Stats show a responding 3 day delay of Covid cases...(Whatever you like..choose time & place!)
9-12th March - (0.01/100 people) Rollout ramps > 13th 1,296 cases/day
12-15th (.02) Rollout slows > cases slow to 16th 782/day
16-22nd (.04) Rollout steadily rises > cases 19th 1516 (Plateau) 23rd 973 > 27th 2,063/day
23-26-29th (.03) Rollout drops & levels out > cases drop 30th 1,561/day
30-5th April (.03) Rollout rises > cases slightly rise 3rd 2,707/day
6-9th (.06) Massive Rollout ramps > cases ramp to 11th 3,610/day
10-12th (.06) Rollout Plateaus > cases begin to drop - 13th 2,516/day
13-16-18th(.03) Rollout Drops - Levels > cases drop to 17th 2,031/day & slight rise.
19-22nd (.07) Rollout ramps > cases ramp to 23rd 5,465/day
23-25th (.09) Rollout slowly rises > cases slow & retreat 28th 4,513/day
26-27th (.12) Rollout ramps > cases ramp to 30th 5,897/day
28-2nd May (.11) Rollout drops > cases drop to 1st 4,451/day
3-5th (.05) Massive Rollout drop > massive case drop to 7th 3,818/day
5-6th (.08) Rollout ramps > cases ramp to 5,563/day
7-10th(.11) Rollout ramps > cases ramp to 10th 7,766/day
Crew can see that Japan can choose Less Vax = Olympics (vs) more Vax No Olympics..
Given the sheer numbers were dealing with...the Vax / Case response accuracy is astounding.
You could say it reflects Japanese culture...Gold Plated Vax Rollout response is way too obvious...Opps!
They have total control of the Vax = the largest Phase 1 Covid spreading machine in the World.
Japan also have mastered the art of outbreaks & control by way of allocating vax to Prefectures
Govts can choose Covid cases for Aged Care / Hospitals / prefecture...just put yer order in...
Olympics put the order in for Mass Vax centres ...who here thinks more vax will lower covid cases....
Tip! tbb has worn out www to glimpse such a rare event...please do share if one sees that anomaly.
Imagine that! They ramp the vax & Covid cases disappear like magic...that will never catch on...
@TBB , mate I’ve got a special request if you’re up to it ? What percentage of fully vaccinated persons are still getting Covid ? Are the trial percentages correct or is real world saying different ? https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/5/12/who-reviewing-seychelles-da...
Unhinged... Haha.. And that right there illustrates my point.... In 4 paragraphs it has you forming the view he's 'unhinged' and therefore his opinion is rubbish. How easy it is..
When in reality, he's achieved a level of performance in a sport, which ~0.001% get to achieve.. Actually about the same penetration as COVID deaths on the population.
But that's not something they want to remind you of.
Soon they will come up with a vaccine to protect us from the vaccine.
Some good news for India , now wait for pig pharma to come up with some discrediting explanation . https://contextly.com/redirect/channel/from/post/params/Y2hhbm5lbDYwOWMz...
supafreak > "Vaccinated persons" (Reads: "Breakthru Cases") Actual old school medical Term.
Wow! supafreak is in luck as last week was 'ADE' & this week is 'Breakthru cases'...(Not a joke!)
tbb has involved it many times but it's still too ripe for a review as such...(Here's the best update)
9th May : Elaine Chen's current introductory report is bang on time for supafreak's request...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-09/cdc-limits-reviews-of...
forward...
Breakthru cases depend upon immunity or lack of it...
Melatonin > Early Bed > Early Sun > Powers up antibodies > 100% Vax efficacy > 6 months.
No Antibodies > Phase 1 - Shift Workers / Vent / Med assist Aged > 30% Vax efficacy / immunity
Vaccines vary from 45%-95% efficacy > Nations vary same vax 1-3 wks post immunity start.
Rollout breakthrus start high 2-3x Phase 1 - Dose 1 > Dose 2 > Dose 3 > Booster (Low cases)
Note: Phase 1 > 2 > 3 Most to Least breakthrus.... but escalates in mobility to spread virus
Also Phase 1 - 24hr Transit Hubs frontline shiftworkers are the hidden superspreader breakthrus.
Crew can see that precaution needs to be timed with vaccinations. (We all see Phase 1 outbreaks)
All on its own is the fact the virus represents different from pre vax cases to breakthrus...
Could be that the vax spike immunity is mutating the virus...(Many would want to down play that!)
Recall Long Covid crew were shat on for 6 months by WHO...'Wake the fuck up my little Lab Rats!'
Just imagine bitchin'bout "Gates Covid Vax"... just shut the fuck up, you ungrateful piece of shit!
tbb: Reckon even Prez Joe would spit on yer grave..."You filthy dead'n'buried Anti Anti Anti Vaxer!"
Rapid growing list of Medicos want CDC to step up decent recording of Breakthrus.
CDC : Viral Load PT PCR ( CT _< 28 ) (tbb) = Days 1 < 7 or 70% viral (35% can die > re: stats)
CDC : Do not concern 30% viral Breakthrus in any counts.
Breakthru hub CDC : " Is a Voluntary Undercount...Lack of testing especially Asymptomatic cases."
CDC : "Will instead focus on Snapshot of Hospitalisations that lead to death....(Friday updates!)"
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-ca...
26th April ...
9,245 cases
5,827 (63%) Women
4,245 (45%) 60+
2,525 (27%) Asymptomatic
_ 835 (9%) Hospital
_ 132 (1%) Deaths
FDA Dr Paul Offit is the lead scientist in this regard...(Many Papers)
tbb has previously quoted his end 5% breakthru figure.
This simply mirrors the best Vax efficacy of 95%.
Might not seem high but 5% would likely ground planes & prevent travel.
Think about it! 15 cases/plane x 100 planes / hr = [ Airport 3 deaths / day ] Closed.
What we see now is Scientists pushing CDC to put in a little more effort...
CDC will always control the Post Vax agenda...happy to be proved wrong...
Airlines would & could share some decent data but will likely bury it even faster!
Lets just say breakthru under reporting will go under reported & 5% is quietly yer best guess...shh!
@TBB , thank you for quick response , your efforts are appreciated.
TBB wrote 'could be that the vax spike immunity is mutating the virus'...
Belgium virologist Gerrt Vanden Bossche spoke out about the vaccines accelerating mutation.
Pig Pharma - those swines! ;-)
Recent NSW quarantine cluster reveals "All vaccines" are breaking thru...
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/fully-vaccinated-travellers-test-pos...
1st March -1st May - Sydney Hot Hotels recorded 180 o/s covid cases
( Includes 20 Break-thru cases )
1st March- 1st May ~ (1 dose) 12 cases
Early April ~ (2nd dose) 2 cases within 14 days (Note: Oz stamps 8th day vax immunity)
10 April- 1st May ~ ( fully vaxed ) 6 cases with - J&J / Pfizer / AZ / Moderna...( Covid don't care! )
That's 20 break-thrus / 2 months @ Lowest Airport / destinations cap'..
Just imagine if our Mutant turnstyle was spinnin'
Translates to 1,000's @ Worldly cases Nationwide & be lucky to spot just one on the radar...
This is why PM is in no hurry to open the skies...Hospitals are still nursing a 1 year backlog.
Who wants 1,000's o/s vaxerz queue jumping Aussies back 2 years on Hospital Outpatient list.
What did that cricketer say....blood'n'guts'n'stuff!
Vax ain't no miracle cure...just a stocking filler at best...crew can see that their wings are clipped.
Annual Vax is booked in for 5 years solid...not even one training wheel is lifting off the ground.
Ya just gotta get the Vax they say & grab one of them Covid Safe apps to go!
PS: (Save yer time...skip tbb's rant & just enjoy the song)
Mums Day Code Breakers...more heart wrenching than alarming.
tbb + Big brother + Mum (vs) Mums Day in our home town of 50 years more.
North Burleigh Surf Club "Mum's Day Lunch"
In this order to the Gallows...
Big Brother - WA Boss's Work phone "Has a No app policy"
tbb - Never owned a mobile phone & can't hold one without fumbling it!
Mum - Gifted Mobile Phone is shit + contracts + lessons not honoured > $300 for a dead thing!
Club Cards? - Yes! We're all Gold Card members of Qld's Biggest / oldest club RACQ...all good!
NBSLSC - Wot Club? [ Computer says No QR Code ] You Lose...you're blocking our doorway.
150 years Local family & the boys can't shout Mum a treat at tbb's local beach.
Next venue was a fail as well...3rd try we sat on the curb in the burning hot sun...a slice of heaven!
Died before anyone knew we were there & None had the heart to ask us to crack the QR code.
So! This whole VIP Yuppie cyborg upgrade lockout is bullshit! Fine, then tbb will tell that to Mum!
Mum had one leg out the door...all now know the score!
Ok! So crew sussed tbb was cueing up a Damned fine tune ~ Stranger on the Town.
Stocking filler!
Excellent
With Pig Pharma being the major sponsors of WHO , FDA , NIH it’s no wonder a smear campaign against cheap , safe , readily available treatments is underway , when you compare remdesivir trials to ivermectin its a absolute joke . And sometime next year new treatment drugs will be hitting the markets once trials are completed but they certainly won’t be cheap . https://covid19criticalcare.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=4601886cfd...
Supafreak wrote:With Pig Pharma being the major sponsors of WHO , FDA , NIH it’s no wonder a smear campaign against cheap , safe , readily available treatments is underway , when you compare remdesivir trials to ivermectin its a absolute joke . And sometime next year new treatment drugs will be hitting the markets once trials are completed but they certainly won’t be cheap . https://covid19criticalcare.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=4601886cfd...
Maybe i missing something here?, but doesn't big Pharma produce these supposed cures like ivermectin?
If it was that easy why wouldn't they save all the money needed on developing and producing vaccines and just sell the cure instead? (which also means they cash in big time)
If something like ivermectin was so good, why wouldn't governments like ours go, ok we are going to stock up on ivermectin and save our people.
Imagine how they would be viewed by the public and voters they would be guaranteed to be voted back in.
Sorry it doesn't add up.
troppo dicho...re your post vax could be causing covid mutation,
i mentioned earlier on that antibiotics can cause same effect if they don't work first time,
someone on forum pointed out that vax's and AB's are totally different and vax can not mutate the "host"?
now we have a belgian doctor saying wrong, it can mutate?
anyone with med knowledge wots your opinion??
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?