Sheepdog, 1503631906
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/canterburybankstown-named-among-locations-for-welfare-drug-test-trial-20170821-gy17ac.html
Porter and his gestapo telegraphed a message to all addicts in Bankstown...
The message basically reads "MOVE NOW, up the road to Parramatta, or Cronulla, or Melbourne if you have to".... No testing there....
12 months after the trial, the coalition will release new stats, showing a major drop in ice usage in bankstown.... "SEE!!!!! IT WORKS", they will chortle.... What they wont mention is the increase in surrounding areas, where the addicts moved. The surrounding areas will only have a very slight increase, diluted...
Of course the current affair Grimshaw brigade will say "hey it works", without using their brains. No self respecting ice addict is going to stay in an area where they will be tested, when they can move 20km and not be tested. So the stats Porter will bring out down the track will be bogus.
Halfscousehalfcockneyfullaussie, 1503636542
Fair point Sd, but my understanding is it's a trial. Wouldn't be surprised if random drug testing is brought in Australia wide within a decade for Centrelink/ new start. Welfare costs the government a fortune so it seems they're trying new Strategies to get people off it.. by I'm being captain obvious
cd, 1503641975
"self respecting ice addict" ?? classic
Sheepdog, 1503643282
Half course.... yes.... It's a trial.... That's right.... So I'll run it by you again..
At the end of the trial, the government will bring out some stats...
The stats will UNDOUBTEDLY show that by the end of the trial, drug use in the trial area is down.... So they will claim the trial works.
But MY POINT is that hundreds, possibly thousands of drug users will simply move to suburbs just up the road, because they know that they wont get tested there. Therefore, the stats will be bullshit.. All the government will do is move the drug usage to nearby areas, then claim how successful the trial was. And people will believe it.
Do you see what I'm saying?
indo-dreaming, 1503644486
I see your point and agree that's what would happen.
I think random drug testing is a good thing and obviously if it was random testing all around Australia there would be nowhere to move.
But that said you need to provide programs etc for people to kick the habit, otherwise they might just go off the dole and do crime to get money.
Bit of a hard one, as no tax payer really wants their tax money being spent on drugs, i know when i was on the dole although not a big drug taker my friends would blow much of there dole check on pot or even a bit of speed.
Sheepdog, 1503644730
You've missed the point Indo... It's not about the drug test. It's about deliberately misleading the public with facts they know are bullshit. Change the subject from drugs, to the economy, or house prices, or war, or anything. it's these dishonest tactics that fuck up everything.
And you writing it off, and going straight to "But still don't see the harm in random drug testing though" sort of proves a point. - as in "I'm ok with bullshit because it suits my particular stance on this subject'.
Well, indo It may not suit your stance on the next.
talkingturkey, 1503645004
This is a pure punitive measure designed to kick people off and save and even make $$$$. Blatant and transparent.
And imported from our fave ally that we all want to emulate. The US of A.
There is no altruistic motive here. Marijuana addicts, anyone?
It's all about the $$$$.
Cashless welfare card?
https://theaimn.com/lnp-welfare-card-true-facts-exposed-corruption-disguised-philanthropy/
Meanwhile, Mal throws this out there. The timing is exquisite.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/aug/25/malcolm-turnbull-rebukes-tony-abbott-for-being-too-drunk-to-vote-on-gfc-package?CMP=soc_567
#Breatho4Barnaby ??
Sheepdog, 1503645480
Well it aint gonna make any money for us tax payers, turk. And it aint gonna save any money.
I could explain, but hey.... lol
talkingturkey, 1503646892
Of course! It's the LNP way. Neo-liberal economics DO work the way they're supposed to. The top percentile get richer and more powerful. THIS IS IT WORKING!
The 'trickle-down' guff was always bollocks. And everyone knew it.
Actually, this latest bash of the powerless is obscene. AND MAKES NO REAL SENSE as far as real economics go.
The Newstart benefit hasn't gone up in real terms since Howard first got in! In fucking 1996!
Think about this. The unemployed on Newstart and similar benefits make up a small percentage of the working and eligible-to-work population. Out of that small percentage, how many are NOT actively seeking to work? And out of that smaller percentage, how many are hindered by drugs?
And yet, how much focus - Government and thus corporate media - is on this pissy percentage of the population??
At the same time, truly insane amounts of money are leached out of the public coffers by corpo rent-seekers and tax dodgers??
Get a grip. We're better than being downward-envying, 'coward punchers', aren't we?
Punch up, pikers, not down!
Sheepdog, 1503649671
Yep..... Obscene pyramid scheme society.
Now, if you want to know how much "kicking the downtrodden" costs, even though some get a major dopamine rush from it, here's a hypothetical to think about, care of our old mate ziggy the giver Forest.
Take a hypothetical NW town of say 800, with 500 aboriginals unemployed. take a few pics of some drunk... Head around the country screaming "if you dont support me you're pedo"..
Whack these 500 on a cashless welfare card....
Just the admin cost of the card alone is TEN THOUSAND per card.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-02/cashless-welfare-trial-costing-taxpayers-$10k-per-participant/8488268
So....... 10000 x 500 = FIVE MILLION DOLLARS per YEAR....
For five million a year, what could be done with a town of 800 folk, 500 of which are unemployed?
Build a police station - 5 mill... That's a one off cost first year.
Second year, employ 6 police at about 120k p/a, plus overtime etc - around 1 000 000 per year.
I've still got 4 million left... 100k for a cleaning contractor to clean the police station... 900k for upkeep of vehicles etc etc..
Still got 3 million.... Plus I've added 6 police and a cleaner - total of 7 full time workers to the town, spending money there, which will probably create 2 or 3 rub off jobs...
10 new jobs in a town of 800 is a big deal....
The 3 million can be returned to the tax payer.
But forget all that...... the dopamine rush is just too good....
indo-dreaming, 1503652876
Doing both would be great.
It doesn't need to be one or the other.
The rich wrought the system and the poor wrought the wealth fare system.
I know i bummed around for years and years on the dole, i had part time and plenty of cash jobs, but i never tried to get a full time job or even wanted one, i had everything i needed at the time, waves, friends a good social life, enough money to party on weekends, and most of my circle of friends all did the same, i even traveled up and down the east coast twice for months on the dole, even did Indo trips on the dole (i did get cut off one time though)
I only got a job because all my friends did and it was getting harder and harder to go to Indo on the dole.
I have no problem with a cashless wealth fare card, i remember actually one time me and my mate went traveling on a road trip for months on the dole came back and had no money after we paid the bond for a rental, so had to go to a social worker who organised for a $30 each card for woolworths that was basically the same thing, could only buy groceries no alcohol or smokes, we were actually stoked at the time $30 grocery would barely gets you by a day or two now, but back then it felt like such a windfall.
Looking back i have no idea how i lived the life i did on so little though..I guess $1 spirits at the Edge helped.
Sheepdog, 1503654121
No offence, Indo, but sometimes I wonder whats up in that cranium of yours. ;)
I just pointed out that admin cost of one cashless card is an extra 10k per year.
If all 750000 unemployed folk were put on cashless welfare what would be the annual admin cost alone?
750000 x 10000 = ?
Yep.... SEVEN BILLION FIVE HUNDRED MILLION... Oh.... And they still get the card to the value of the dole...
If we put the 800000 disabilty folk on it too... 800000 x 10000 = EIGHT BILLION.
8000000000 + 7500000000 = FIFTEEN BILLION FIVE HUNDRED MILLION.
We'll drug test everyone too, seeing your keen on that..
We're looking at 20 billion, indo....
And all too make life harder for the majority looking for jobs that arent there, or folk with disabilities.
As I said, I wonder about you, man...
GuySmiley, 1503660526
Is this a way the neo-cons could out-source Centrelink's payment system and administration to a private company or bank if these welfare cards became the norm?
Shatner'sBassoon, 1503690336
Fark. Gotta love the dog-whistle.
Welfare = unemployed = dole bludger = drug addict.
"Where's the dole bludger boy? Can you see him boy? Garn get the meth head boy! Garn get him! Get him! Good boy! Who's a good boy?"
indo-dreaming, 1503698523
Obviously a card system shouldn't cost 10K per person that figure just seems ridiculous obviously something is fishy there.
And sorry Sheepdog, i think you are being naive it's easy to look at dollar cost like that, but what about the other cost to society we all know all the problems that come as a result of low socioeconomic disadvantage people/familys/communities where unemployment rates are extremely high and dependence on wealth extremely high and we are now seeing intergenerational wealth fare dependence, i know my self from experience how you can become dependent on the system and actually become trapped in a sense.
The problems that face individuals and families and communities are all kinds of issues, unemployment the main driver for higher levels of:
Alcohol abuse, drug use, gambling addiction, domestic violence, break down of family unit, higher chance of being involved in crime (or end up in prison) or victims of crime, higher suicide rates, higher rates of depression, debt that can't be paid off, little to zero chance of home ownership..im sure there is more.
And if you do want to look at things in dollar terms all these things cost communities and the tax payer money and put pressure on public systems to deal with these problems.
A card system makes complete sense, the price stated is the only area that makes no sense?
And I'm really not interested in having a bitching session with Herc where he post a page of dribble followed by a video, and then he cuts and paste the same comment ten times rearranging it and adding a few extra lines that make little sense, or comments just trying to bait me with abuse or personal comments.
BUT
Obviously all these problems that stem from high levels of unemployment don't only face non indigenous Australian communities or for that matter any community around the world where unemployment is high but they also face indigenous community's, because despite culture or skin colour or labels end of the day we are all the same.
(That said I'm sure Herc will reply in about 15 minutes with a page long reply about how racist i am for suggesting skin colour is irrelevant and that all people are really the same, go figure)
BTW: I should just add yes all the problems listed are not only seen by those wealth fare dependent and not all those on wealth fare face those problems, but those problems are seen at higher levels among the long term unemployed.
Sheepdog, 1503731962
Indo........... Here's what the article states;
"Details released under the Freedom of Information show the pilot program is costing up to $18.9 million, excluding GST.
The Government is paying the debit card provider, Indue, at least $7.9 million, while the Social Service Department's administrative costs are $2.6 million."
It amazing that you think something is fishy with the government data on this, yet when it comes to government data on things you support, you wholeheartedly back it.
Face it.... it costs 10k per card.
indo-dreaming, 1503733304
Ok yes gotcha, this makes more sense.
$7.9 million for what exactly, some card?
Basically like any private company subcontracting for a government department or council etc prices are inflated to unrealistic prices even if it goes to tender everyone puts in unrealistic prices because they know they will pay up, as a tradie i do the same thing especially for insurance type jobs I charge three times as much, even if quoted and competing against others I'm still in with a chance because everyone else does the same.
So the true cost should be closer to $2.6 million.
Two factors you probably should consider anything rolled out in small numbers cost more per unit than when rolled out in much larger numbers.
And things always cost more to set up than run, so after things are set up the running cost could be much cheaper.
Blowin, 1503735009
What if you're both right ?
What if the welfare card is an absolute rort of tax payers money whilst at the same time a large percentage of people on welfare are taking the piss just as hard ?
Could it be possible that citizens from both ends of the socioeconomic spectrum view the government as a cash cow ready to be milked ?
I know . It seems unlikely, huh ?
happyasS, 1503735326
the concept is fine but the practicals are ludicrous....so some bloke gets done for smoking pot 2 weeks ago and yet some other bloke is plastered every single night and slips through unscathed because its alcohol???. doesn't make sense. for true non-recreational addicted persons then the cashless card sort of makes sense, but in and of itself doesnt actually solve the persons addiction problem, but more importantly how are they going to work out who is an addict and who just prefers a little 'time out' every now and then? its a waste of money.
Blowin, 1503735884
The entire drug testing regime permeating modern society is a blight and an intrusion.
Abbot was too pissed to vote in parliament for fucks sake. Name me another role in the public service where you can come to work pissed.
And what degree of hypocrisy do you rate someone who can be too drunk to function on one hand , yet is persecuting recreational drug users of any stipe on the other ?
mattlock, 1503745342
I agree blowfly
Drug testing is veiled classwar.
Management don't get tested but the workers do.
Don't wanna piss in a cup today
It's not the Australian way
Shatner'sBassoon, 1503754600
On the ball, boys. Turkey said this 10+ posts ago.
Whatever. So long as we all get there.
Shatner'sBassoon, 1503755541
Eventually.
Shatner'sBassoon, 1503755980
Sorry, 15 odd posts ago.
indo-dreaming, 1503784712
Good points on the alcohol thing and double standard.
It's a complete joke Abbott was too pissed to vote, that should have been then end of him in parliament.
I don't think there should be a free pass for anyone who gets payments from a government or council all should be exposed to the possibility of drug testing and alcohol levels for government/council employees.
Sheepdog, 1503814303
Continuing on with blowins what ifs...
What if the private company running the cashless welfare card was owned by coalition members, and that 10k admin per card was going back to the liberal party, NOT the people of Australia? And what if the head of that company (Indue) was non other than former liberal party president Larry Anthony, son of former deputy prime minister Doug Anthony?
And what if now that they have built up a great business model, are trying to sell Indue to chinese company who, get this, (you'll need to sit down for this one), own and specialize in GAMBLING PRODUCTS?????? Yes.... That's right... An anti gambling card, being managed by a gambling firm....
I suppose you have to look after them. Afteral, lots of folk wont be using their gambling services anymore.... So I suppose this will make up for any losses.
https://theaimn.com/lnp-welfare-card-true-facts-exposed-corruption-disguised-philanthropy/
indo-dreaming, 1503819592
If it was true it would be really disappointing, as it makes complete sense to have a welfare card.
Personally id take anything on a website like that with a grain of salt though, looks trashy in a inner city hipster chemtrail kind of way.
Sheepdog, 1503820727
Well then do your own fuckn research mate. I could give you proof indo, that water is wet... But you wouldnt believe it if you were "anti wet", would you...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Anthony
"Larry Anthony is Deputy Chairman of the Queensland-based financial institution Indue"
indo-dreaming, 1503829020
:P
Shatner'sBassoon, 1503837892
Indo = wilful ignoramus.
And, worse, revels in it.
Muppet show.
indo-dreaming, 1503869229
Shanter's Bassoon= Negative troll
In all seriousness outside of the "tunes" thread of which i like your taste in music, i don't think I've seen you post once where it hasn't been negative in some way, either politically, or attacking or ridiculing or trying to stir up another swellnet poster, mostly lame attempts to be funny or clever.
Maybe one day you should try to bring something positive to the forum.
stunet, 1503870312
Gonna have to intervene...
SB, you have to lay off the ad hominen attacks. Adversarial argument is fine when it at least attempts ideological persuasion, a strategy you long ago tossed aside.
So you don't like someone's opinions, I'm not sure what you think direct abuse will achieve but I can't see it as anything but counter productive.
GuySmiley, 1503878327
There is a lot to dislike about AFL umpiring.
One of my pet hates is how umpires turn a blind eye all game to the niggler who constantly blocks, hangs on, impedes, carps and is generally in the ear of an opposition player. That opposition player finally cracks it and turns around and dishes out a well deserved whack and bang you're on report son. Sometimes there is no justice in the world.
Shatner'sBassoon, 1503879025
"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
Shatner'sBassoon, 1503879216
But can pigs email is the question?
Shatner'sBassoon, 1503879394
Answer: when pigs get annoyed, they can do most anything! Even fly.
Yeah, nah.
Sheepdog, 1503891366
"One of my pet hates is how umpires turn a blind eye all game to the niggler who constantly blocks, hangs on, impedes, carps and is generally in the ear of an opposition player. That opposition player finally cracks it and turns around and dishes out a well deserved whack and bang you're on report son. Sometimes there is no justice in the world."
I couldn't agree more...
indo-dreaming, 1503900128
I think i play a fair game within the rules.
I know we don't always agree, but imagine how boring it would be if you guys didn't have me Sypkan and Blowin here evening out the discussion with a slight right take on things.
A one sided discussion is pretty boring.
stunet, 1503901872
"There is no conversation more boring than the one where everybody agrees" - Michel de Montaigne
AndyM, 1503903050
Yeah I'm not too sure about that stu...
stunet, 1503903631
You may be correct, ol' Michel wasn't living in a time of real estate speculation and daytime soaps.
chook, 1503904153
hume (or locke) has a similar saying...the only thing more pointlless than arguing for the unarguable is arguing for what we all accept.
GuySmiley, 1503906424
Oooooh the Christopher Pyne of Swellnet says he plays fair ....... well, that's my late afternoon amusement sorted.
Sheepdog, 1503906654
"You may be correct, ol' Michel wasn't living in a time of real estate speculation and daytime soaps"
He wasn't living in a time of "fake news", clickbait, and Trumpisms either.
happyasS, 1503910520
for those overly offended, then why not just record your own opinions. you can play it back at night in bed nodding your head in agreement.
who was it that said 'opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one'.
stunet, 1503911081
"who was it that said 'opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one'."
Wasn't me, I reckon it's a dumb comment, everyone's got a belly button too but what does that tell us about the nature of opinions?
happyasS, 1503911408
most of them stink.
stunet, 1503912180
'Most' of them?
Even on my best days mine is as fruity as a surf club bog, yet my opinions are always spicy and righteous.
GuySmiley, 1503914687
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indo-dreaming, 1503957966
Guy Smiley
Point out where i don't play by the rules?
Cut and paste and example.
I think you will really be hard pressed to find a thread or example, where i haven't stuck to the topic on hand and i have lowered myself to personally abuse etc.
Go back and check out the treaty thread, Herc was constantly calling me names and abusing me and how did i react?
Having an opinion that differs from yours, doesn't mean i am breaking rules.
GuySmiley, 1503958964
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of an opinion without the discomfort of thought" ... JFK
I rather like that quote because while everyone is entitled to voice an opinion it really ought to be a considered one.
Blowin, 1503967168
Does anyone on this thread actually know anyone currently on the dole ?
I do.
I watched the Macgregor / Mayweather fight with an even half dozen of them at a riverside RSL club.
All of them are on the dole or rooting disability benefits by choice. All are full time bong smokers . Whilst I was drinking beer a few of them were into the more expensive spirits. Often during the afternoon a friend of theirs would pass and when I asked who they were ....well , guess what ? More hard working dole bludgers.
I've been there and done it myself , albeit briefly . So we're most of my mates when we were younger . Good times.
You think times are different now ?
Regardless of what your media of choice is , it's up to you to interpret it. Left wing media will tell you it's the evil government ruining lives for votes. Right wing media will tell you it's the reclaimation of taxpayers money from piss take welfare frauds.
Of course it's both.
Don't be the moron that assumes unassailable authority on the subject by picking a side and declaring it unquestionably correct.
It's patronising , it's wrong , it's weak and it's lazy.
Quotes alluding to inconsidered opinion reflect just as harshly on all .
Shatner'sBassoon, 1503968052
My considered opinion (and continuing the football theme):
Adelaide for the premiership. 97 redux. Richmond are pretenders. GWS, up n down like a young bride's nightie. Geelong, hmmmm, could be the real smokie? Co-finalists? Sydney, finalists, probably. Yeah, nah. Port, could give a scare. Rest, making up the numbers.
Shatner'sBassoon, 1503968462
Mate, great post. One thing though. You're a bullshitter. So we can take your anecdote/opinion/whatever it is with a grain of salt, slice of lemon, tequila bong, whatever suits.
Your motives for most if not all of your 'postings' are always interesting though. Waaay more interesting than the actual content, of course. Keep 'em flowing.
There's a PhD in there for the punter with the stomach for it.
Shatner'sBassoon, 1503968484
Go Crows!
Sheepdog, 1503972649
Blowin writes
"Does anyone on this thread actually know anyone currently on the dole ?
I do."
Of course you do.... You're mates with everyone - s.a.s soldiers, aboriginals, muslims, dole bludgers, indo's, millionaires, in fact you said you were having lunch with your virtual united nations of friends once...
But back to your question, yes I know someone on the dole. A bloke named blowin.
Swellnet, what's what - SUNDAY, 18 JUN 2017 at 4:25PM
"I'm unemployed , you should be on my side !"
You go on to write
"All of them are on the dole or rooting disability benefits by choice. All are full time bong smokers . Whilst I was drinking beer a few of them were into the more expensive spirits. Often during the afternoon a friend of theirs would pass and when I asked who they were ....well , guess what ? More hard working dole bludgers."
So..... You were drinking whilst unemployed yourself...
You had to ask a total stranger (amazing he isn't a mate btw) ,one of their friends, who they were? And their buddy said "they're dole bludgers and drug addicts"....
Mate, I dont think I've read shit like this since my sewage tank instruction manual...
Blowin, 1503973808
1/ I'm unemployed...that is I don't have a job. I'm not on the dole or any form of welfare.
2/ I'm sitting at a table with family and friends, someone they know walks past and one of my family/ friends has a quick conversation. When the person leaves, I ask my family / friend who it was and where they know them from. They tell me.
Amazing stuff.
And so very unbelievable.
That'll be the last time I answer to your accusations , Sheepy.
And I'm only doing it for you because you haven't always carried on like some of the clueless fucks on here.
You grew up as a surfer ....you honestly think that people no longer rort the system as was commonplace back then ?
Or has life made you assume everyone is a victim ? Cause that is bullshit.
mattlock, 1503976105
I say good luck to people SURFING on the dole. Better than play vid games all day.
Being part of the Bob Hawke surf team was some of the best times of my life.
Dale -Cooper, 1503976643
Is this the "pub test" you were alluding to, SD?
Anyway, always interesting to see 'LNP 101' in action. In all its usual manifestations. The more disarray they're in, the more they scurry nervously back to type. The latest: THE DOLE BLUDGER. ON DRUGS!
One little thing that I found interesting in The Blow-in's story:
"I've been there and done it myself , albeit briefly . So we're most of my mates when we were younger . Good times.
You think times are different now ?"
Well, as has been mentioned somewhere else, the dole hasn't gone up in real terms since 1996! Bang for the buck?! Good luck!
Dale -Cooper, 1503979780
Also, the disproportion in these 'debates' is always a gasser. Disproportion in equating the most powerful in this country and their 'rorts' and the most powerless with theirs. That's one thing. And the disproportion in economic terms is out of whack enough, but the media coverage is the real kicker.
How many people are we actually talking about here?
As someone said, let's first take out the dog-whistle that equates everyone receiving benefits with being a 'dole bludger' and/or 'drug addict'.
Crunch the actual numbers.
In June 2017, there were 770,443 New Start Allowees. Of that number, 203,203 are short-term NS Allowees, and 567,240 are long-term.
Long-term means more than 12 months.
Australia's working age population is roughly 16 million.
So those receiving NSA equals about 4.5%.
Out of that 4.5%, how many are NOT trying to find work? How is that figure even defined or arrived at?
And then out of that 'dole bludger' guesstimate, how many are 'drug addicts'? What does THAT mean? Testing for weed and MDMA? And even with opioids and meth, is that the reason they can't find work?? How many FIFOs are iced up?
It's been well-documented who's doing the business with the welfare card. The LNPs old mates Indue! But where can you use it? What other businesses benefit directly?
Also, who's getting this drug-testing gig? How much is that cost to the tax-payer?
All to punish, what? 75,000? 100,000? 200,000 people at most out of 16 million??
Sorry, it's not punitive, it's all about 'helping' them. It'll all be worth it, if just one ice addict can get a(nother) job*.
Bang for OUR buck indeed!
(*Next week's A Current Affair 'exclusive')
Dale -Cooper, 1503980174
Oh yeah, in those NSA figures, not all of them are even getting any money, let alone the full 'whack'. Which, as I said, hasn't had a real increase for 20+ years!
https://www.dss.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/08_2017/labour_market_and_related_payments_june_2017_0.pdf
Blowin, 1503982193
Forget about the government being a bunch of thieves for a second. We're all in agreement on that.
The dole crew aren't classed as drug addicts. It's just that they're accused of using drugs . Which , rightly or wrongly , are illegal. And they're not free. So the government could legitimately say that welfare wasn't intended to subsidise people getting off chops rather than looking for a way to pay their own way through life.
Because every person on welfare is taking money that could otherwise be spent on education , health etc .
Are we still good with what I've stated so far ?
Good.
But first I'd better account for the whataboutery . Yes, corporate rent seekers and various other versions of government fund rorting are also larceny. Maybe even on a grander scale.
But that neither excuses or justifies the abuse of the public funds by welfare frauds.
So we aren't punching up or down , we're trying to further the yield of the net tax revenue that is collected from some of us.
Fair enough ?
OK , the maths. Out of New start receivers , let's assume a low ball figure of 10 percent are blissing out during their non -working weeks. So that's 77,000 people on $17500/ year (?). Total of $1.35 billion on crew that would rather blaze up during the Ellen show than work for the man.
$1.35 Billion !
And that's not including crew on disability which is where the real piss taking takes place.
I don't know about you, but that's a lot of money in my world.
Especially if you know someone that is struggling to get appropriate medical treatment due to budget shortfalls in government.
So I'm not for drug testing welfare recipients as it would be hypocritical of me , but for many people that work their whole lives and never take government hand outs or drugs then you could see why the idea would be appealing .
People have their reasons for opinions. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they're ignorant or vexatious or classist.
Fuck , maybe they're even correct ?!
freeride76, 1503982304
Mate, anyone who can make a go of it being a full-time bong smoker and live on the dole these days deserves a fcuking medal if you ask me.
If they can afford rent, food and mull on $200 a week we should give them PhD's and whack them in unis to teach economics.
Blowin, 1503983954
I was right into a post writing off these people - mates and family - when I realised that wasn't necessary or nice.
Good people , just not too driven. Or driven at all. Theyre not living large eating fresh spaniard and getting pitted between fortnightly trips to see their dole officer somewhere north of Carnarvon .
They're living in shit places and scrounging to exist because they have chosen not to work. Laudable or not ? I'll let you decide.
But all that matters to the tax paying public is the last part .....chosen not to work.
So does anyone else know someone on the dole ?
GuySmiley, 1503991158
Blowin, this is all well and good but what are you doing on here? aren't you on a magical road trip around Oz? I'd be buggered if I would bother if I were in your shoes/thongs!
happyasS, 1503991873
well I've been on the dole in WA, SA, VIC, and NSW. i was trying for QLD once but some bastard gave me a job. i worked in between though so I never felt bad about it. but that was years ago. no idea what its like today. i hear its pretty fucked.
whats this shit got to do with the welfare card though?
indo-dreaming, 1503992018
I don't know anyone on the dole anymore, but when i was on the dole, and i was on the dole for quite some time in three different states, i knew shitloads of people on the dole, i didn't actually know that many people with jobs to be honest.
In most places i lived this was my routine and the routine of shitloads of guys i knew on the dole.
1. get up early check the beach, if it was decent go surfing (or for many of my friends smoke a cone or two first) if waves no good and knew would be good elsewhere, we would all throw in for petrol.
2. Come in have a feed sit down and watch Ricky Lake or something similar or surf vids, then go visit friends who were also on the dole, houses full of crew on the dole, I've never been a big smoker, but there was always pot most of my friends were pot heads and lived for it, always bongs never joints, don't know how but no matter how little money they had they always had pot, sure they would grow some but i think mostly bought. (there was always that one odd guy, that either had a job, sold pot and more, or had generous parents, everyone always seemed to owe him money)
3. Normally go for another surf, come home, maybe catch up with crew again, eat sleep wake and do it all, if it was the weekend despite being on the dole would normally get pissed at least one night, even if it was something real cheap, or when on the Goldie, drugs other than pot were more a special occasion. (but the real pot heads rarely partied as spent most of their money on pot, me i spent it on Alcohol)
Everywhere i lived or when i traveled id met crew and it would be the same, and id often end up at peoples houses that were friends of friends and it would be the same.
Ive seen this scenario everywhere from Tassie to Vic, the Gong, Sydney, Scotts head, Coffs, Byron, the Goldie, Sunny coast.
Everyone would go through phases of working maybe part time, or casual or ideally cash in hand, but full time jobs rarely seemed to last and everyone always seemed to be back of the dole.
I can't imagine suddenly this is different? especially on places like the Goldie.
And when id go to the city be it Melb, Sydney, Brisbane and go see bands, id always end up waking on someones floor at some shared house, and even non surfers there would be a similar scenario, although there was also always uni students mixed in there.
But i did get to an age where everyone suddenly got a job and it was like the party was over and i also got a job and once they cut my dole off for going to Indo i was over it and got a job.
BTW. Testing people for drug use who are getting free cash is not punishing, its not a right to be on the dole and spend tax payers money on drugs and getting pissed.
goofyfoot, 1503992357
I don't get why you'd want to be on the dole?
Don't you want to buy new boards, go on surf trips overseas, drive a half decent car, buy $300 bags of coke etc etc???
Ok maybe that last one isn't for everyone..
I enjoy rewarding myself with things that I've worked hard for.
And I don't like relying on other people (government) to survive
Blowin, 1503993911
Guysmiley - I visited some relatives for a while and wound up staying longer than I'd predicted. Looking after an old mate and getting caught in the comfort zone after so many years of travel are to blame, if that's what you need to call it.
I'm on here a lot because my latest attempt at making a living is conducted on my iPad so I'm on it a lot and Swellnet is good for the regular decompression between sessions.
I keep making plans to go somewhere then something comes up. At the moment I've got an injury after getting smashed into a sand bank and that's keeping me out of the surf.
Such a good time of year where I am.
Plus.....I love a discussion.
PS - Indo , sounds like good times, mate.
Also sounds very familiar. I reckon half the nation's surfers were on that program at the time.
Sheepdog, 1504008550
Blowin... Now you've changed the story.....
First you wrote
"Often during the afternoon a friend of theirs would pass and when I asked who they were ."
As in you asked them who they were......
NOW, you write
"When the person leaves, I ask my family / friend who it was and where they know them from. ".......
As I said...... Bullshit..
And be thankful you weren't rubbernecking at me and my mates back in the day, asking who we are, sitting over there gawking at us..... Would've had your teeth smashed in..
And you know, whether it was you, or your family/ friend (make your fuckn mind up - was it a family member or friend, or you?) that spoke to one of them, the fact that this person said "yeah maaaate we're all the the dole smoking bongs and sinkn jimmy beams" is simply ridiculous.
btw I'm glad you're not going to respond. Coz you'd just dig a deeper hole.
Biggest bullshit story this month.
Blowin, 1504013984
Nice .
indo-dreaming, 1504041195
@ Goofyfoot I finished school early 90,s all i wanted to do was go surfing which meant living near the coast, which in may areas back then was before the sea change thing was dead, in that era even if i wanted a job or an apprenticeship the chances of getting one would have been slim, plus at the time i didn't real need that much money and i didn't really need that much, all i needed was waves, friends and partying and in a sense i didn't know what it was like to have money so it didn't seem all that bad.
@ Blowin It was really good times, no regrets really i even did two trips up and down the east coast on the dole living in a Kombi one time with a mate, one time with a girlfriend.
@Happyas the conversation is about the wealth fare card and also drug testing, i just shared my story, as unless you have been on the dole for a long time and been involved in the culture that exist around it for many people, than it's really hard to have a proper perspective to comment, its like someone commenting on surfing that has never surfed.
But off course there is people that know better, and will just post witty quotes that are really just one line opinions borrowed from someone else.
freeride76, 1504042963
the days of living on the dole and going surfing are dead.
lostdoggy, 1504043245
How many jobs do you have to apply for per month again now?
stunet, 1504046520
@ID,
You've admitted to some pretty egregious abuse of welfare, including drug use, then gone and backed welfare drug testing - the very thing you've just trumpeted!
As I get older I'm very concious of sliding toward conservatism, it's what ageing blokes do as evidenced by the last few generations, Baby Boomers in particular. But it's not healthy and it's not rational, in fact I reckon it's a process of fear.
The world may be changing but don't shut down all the avenues that young folk can express themselves and/or find their place in the world. Hard as it is for older blokes to see, there is a place for fucking up and coasting along for a while.
GuySmiley, 1504046636
Today's First Dog on the Moon is all quality but unable to load it here for unknown reasons ...... worth a look or if someone can upload ....
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/29/leftists-are-rewriting-history-to-suit-their-gender-fluid-aboriginal-industry-anti-christian-agenda
indo-dreaming, 1504050200
@Stu
Yes i know my experience is what shapes my current views on this issue, obviously at the time i hated it when they stopped allowing me to send in forms, or made me write down more jobs etc (even though id just write business down from yellow pages), at the time i would have hated drug testing or wealth fare receipts if they had brought those things in.
But if it had been harder back then to wrought the system i would have got a job earlier and got my shit together and not burnt myself out partying which in part for me ended up in a period where i suffered severe depression.
My friends that didn't get trapped in that dole lifestyle, actually got jobs and bought a house before the boom dirt cheap, although i feel real lucky because i got a house for a decent price.
And i do admit now it would be real hard to be on the dole, it got harder when i was on the dole, especially when the work for the dole scheme started that really sucked, working for nothing even if just for one day a week sucked, it was like screw this I'm working for the dole? I might as well get a job if i have to work?
Plus it made you feel like a real loser, some of those other people there were just full dodgy, it made you reevaluate yourself, like shit I'm part of this I'm like them this is so slummy.
In hindsight i think these things pushed my friends to get jobs which then pushed me to get a job, which ultimately was a really goo thing, i have idea how long i would have been on the dole if things remained easy, i guess at some point i would have got on with life.
braudulio, 1504050603
'They're putting socialism in the water now ...'
Sorry Indo couldn't resist.
Dale -Cooper, 1504054322
A bit of a 'gallop' there, Blow-in. But let's have a run at it.
"Forget about the government being a bunch of thieves for a second. We're all in agreement on that."
How's this relevant? Do you mean they're benefits rorters? Yes. Need a testing regime of their own? Most definitely. They run the country. Well...
"The dole crew aren't classed as drug addicts."
Porter must have missed the memo.
"Because every person on welfare is taking money that could otherwise be spent on education , health etc "
The biggest part of our welfare expenditure is on age pensions. Who has a problem with that? I don't and definitely don't see it as a first port of call to start culling. As I don't with disability pensions, unemployment and other benefits. There are a whole lot of bigger fish to fry. Having said that, should age pensions be means-tested? Yes.
"Yes, corporate rent seekers and various other versions of government fund rorting are also larceny. Maybe even on a grander scale."
A much, much, much grander scale. And therein lies the rub.
"But that neither excuses or justifies the abuse of the public funds by welfare frauds."
What emotive language! "Welfare frauds!" I know you try and play the devil's advocate a bit in your post, Blow-in, or rather put that forward, but really? Looks a little flimsy.
"So we aren't punching up or down , we're trying to further the yield of the net tax revenue that is collected from some of us."
Doesn't read like that. And where does GST fit into all this "net tax revenue"? "Collected from SOME of us"?
"Especially if you know someone that is struggling to get appropriate medical treatment due to budget shortfalls in government."
Looking at "budget shortfalls" with a dispassionate economic eye, wouldn't you want to recoup and/or collect the most from the areas where the most is being lost? Morseso, from potential sources of the greatest revenue?
A really dispassionate economic eye would probably agree that it's easier, though some may say lazier, to recoup and/or collect from the least powerful rather than the most powerful. It may even be more advantageous in various ways, again viewed through the prism of that dispassionate economic eye.
Who're the lifters & leaners again?
"So I'm not for drug testing welfare recipients as it would be hypocritical of me , but for many people that work their whole lives and never take government hand outs or drugs then you could see why the idea would be appealing ."
Who are those people? Never take government hand-outs? Now there's a percentage of the population I'd like to see. Drug-takers, hmmmm. I might need a Mersyndol and a good lie down.
"People have their reasons for opinions. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they're ignorant or vexatious or classist."
Well, there's a study in stating the bleeding obvious. Yes, people have their opinions. And all sorts of stuff 'informs' them. It's what informs them that gives them weight, yes? The wider the range, the better? Or rather, the narrower, the worst?
Surely it's a given that stepping outside your own experience is vital? Be that literally stepping in another's shoes, and/or doing it through whatever means are at hand to better inform yourself.
How's that old chestnut go?
"You perceive and judge people the way you perceive and judge yourself."
Self-awareness is a worthy pursuit.
chook, 1504055237
the federal government just gave fox $30,000,000 and refuses to say why.
the qld government told adani they can take our coal without having to pay royalties
a few abuses of unemployment benefits is way down on the list of my concerns when it comes to the misune and theft of tax payers' money.
Rabbits68, 1504055274
"The world may be changing but don't shut down all the avenues that young folk can express themselves and/or find their place in the world. Hard as it is for older blokes to see, there is a place for fucking up and coasting along for a while."
A good reminder Stu. Cheers.
GuySmiley, 1504055657
@braudulio, yeah that made me laugh, did you read the tiny signs in the 2nd box ... Gillian Triggs Indoctrination Co-operative Compound 7 on Manus Island?
@stu, I agree people tend to become more conservative as they age but the vast majority of boomers I know are red hot angry on the mishandling of today's social and economic issues by the current government. Sure they might be sitting on an over valued house but they see the problems for their younger family members.
@indo, lot to like in your last post as it related to you but the juxtaposition of your experience to the current day is questioned. As others have said here its no walk in the park now.
Shatner'sBassoon, 1504057117
Whoah Nelly! Too much, Blowie & Indy. Bullshit AND over-sharing is a heady brew!
Interesting comment Stu-bags re: that old chestnut about aging and conservatism. Fear a factor? Absolutely. I'd chuck in mental laziness as well.
As the mind drifts towards its inevitable death, the consciousness of this fact concentrates the focus. Nuance? I ain't got time. Give me black n white! I've got bigger things to worry and think about! LIKE MY IMPENDING DEATH!
And this is where the counter-intuition comes in. Conservative, nay regressive thinking hastens death! Use your brain, embrace nuance, get progressive, face change head-on! IT IS THE STUFF OF LIFE!
So, in summary, the Right = death. The Left = life.
Come to the Light.
On the hill.
Keep on keeping on, comrades.
Blowin, 1504059199
The most interesting posts on here by far are when people tell a little part of their story in relation to a discussion topic.
Keep them coming , Indo.
freeride76, 1504060893
Might be possible but as a phenomena the dole bludging surfer is all over red rover.
Go back 20 years and every second house in Lennox would have surfboards stacked up and a laundry sink pre-rigged with a bucket bong ready to go. House loads of doleys ready to light up and surf the Point all day.
If you could door knock every house now and find me half a dozen doleys I'd be shocked.
You'd be very lucky to find any timber farm sheds between Coolie and Angas within 50 miles of the coast for rent....maybe down the mid-north coast but not up here.
Probably nothing more has had a greater impact on the surf culture of Australia: this state sponsored program where mass groups of surfers could live spartan, bohemian lives of great richness and plenty. Nothing has had a greater impact on the standard of recreational surfing either, it was a way that people could live and do vast quantities of surfing which meant very high levels of surfing at a lot of places in Aus.
That is slipping backwards very quickly now as most people can't afford the time to spend on something like surfing all day every day.
Take a look at any suburban beach: kooksville.
There are clusters of dynastic and regional hotspots where the standard remains high, like Coolie, Lennox, Ulladulla for eg.
But mostly, without the dole, Australian surfing has gone backwards fast.
Blowin, 1504060992
It's still easily possible to be a dole bludging surfer in this day and age.
The crew I was talking about before could pull it off if they had an inkling of mojo. They are mostly non surfers though and would rather trudge through their lives of self inflicted desperation living in a squalid rental in town and paying a fair bit for the privilege.
They could be renting one of the many , many old timber farm sheds along the coast for a pittance. Acres of space in which to grow their own food - and anything else - catch fish from the river or sea.
No one to bother them . You Don't need electricity or absolute comfort.
I've done it.
It's not just possible , it's cheap, fun , interesting and very rewarding.
What do you think surfers used to do on the North and south coasts before crippling mortgages, mobile phones and 5 board quivers became de rigueur ?
Maybe it's time to rewatch Morning of the earth and remember a time when surfers thought it was cool to live in a home made treehouse.
Nat and Mctavish did it and they were the big names of the day....imagine Medina or Jordy doing it now ?
I remember seeing a really old Tracks mag with an article on how to build a $2 house. The same structure would probably still only cost a couple of hundred but it just shows how much times have changed.
Or you could live in a van like Bob on the recent Swellnet video.
The dole crew I know are maybe required to do a couple of days undemanding study at TAFE and they're left alone for 5 days a week .
Doesn't sound too hard to me.
Fuckers just need to have a go.
People on here talking about conservative thinking and using their minds .....then they lead their plodding lives of strangulating convention.
If that's what they're into then good luck . But I reckon fuck that.
https://youtu.be/Mwx3RvDWvDM
chook, 1504061733
blowin's primitive communist paradise awaits all who dare cast of the comforts off bourgeous conformism.
btw: nat seems an odd example...he's been a driven entrepeneur since he was in his teens, with various media and real estate deals always on the go. sure he lived in a shack behind the coast, but he had investment properties and business deals with packer.
then agan, maybe that makes him a perfect example for the simple life...get a bag load of money first.
i'm booked in for a week at one of nat's old investment properties at angourie for the uni break.
Blowin, 1504063736
But that's not due to the impossibility of leading a good surfing life on the dole. That's a cultural shift reflective of the hard core push towards Australians as consumers and mortgage slaves.
It's a set up.
But all it still takes is to think outside the box.
That's where surfers developed their original reputation - by tuning in and dropping out.
I don't believe there is really any more societal pressure now than there was in the 60's / 70's to conform . It's just that surfers have mostly forgotten how and the media and the cultural leaders they look to for inspiration are mostly too busy climbing the ladder of the surf industry to even contemplate chucking the whole deal out and thinking for themselves.
Surfers and surfing haven't been sterilised by the WSL or the industry ....they've done it to themselves by kowtowing to a society that wants them to shut their mouths and buy shit.
Blowin, 1504063835
Chook ....I reckon that's the ultimate goal. You don't need a shedload of money .
Just live below your means.
tonybarber, 1504063930
Yes, there are times where we all need to just go bush for a significant period of time. Get some some surf, plenty of surf time. Then after some time, it becomes natural that one needs to create, build, produce to satisfy the purpose in life. If you talk to the Lennox, Angus old timers you will see why. But surfing is still the magnet. As time gets on, many do not become more conservative or fearful but the material essentials become easier.
Absolutely, its essential for youth to let the hair grow, the mind to expand, the experiences widened. And they still do but now in a generally more comfortable way. Life has simply become easier.
Blowin, 1504065185
The freedom to make decisions without pressure is a great gift.
The people that I know that have the most interesting lives took a chance on themselves and followed their own path. Sometimes these paths were very controversial at the outset . But general approval followed once the direction of the path was obvious to every one else.
Success is hard to argue with.
Shatner'sBassoon, 1504066133
BLOWIE! STOP! STOP! YOU'RE KILLING US!
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Blowin, 1504069426
My shack, few hundred to build.
Cheers Ben
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freeride76, 1504069503
It is much harder to surf on the dole these days, exponentially harder.
Cost of living in coastal Australia has skyrocketed with the real estate prices and the dole hasn't even kept up with inflation.
Sure , you can take over a cockroach den in some sour floodplain dump like Fredrickton and live without electrickery for fuckall a week and surf but the days of living large with high quality surf on the dole. Gone-ski.
It's a societal shift for sure.....but i don't think it came from surfers. If they/we could still afford to live and surf on the dole they would be.
chook, 1504069948
beautiful!
when you said "live in a shed" i was picturing some cul de sac of soul destroying unemployment with a falling-down old cow shed.
Shatner'sBassoon, 1504071239
Blowie, come on down!
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Blowin, 1504071667
Is that your whole act , Shatner ?
I post something and you say it's a lie .
Despite never having met me. Despite photographic proof and other posters on here knowing me and attesting to what I say ?
How long do you reckon you'd last at a pub pulling that stunt ?
That's the pub test.
Shatner'sBassoon, 1504072548
uh oh.
emails.
faxes.
telegrams.
I can hear them coming.
Shatner'sBassoon, 1504072569
I'm at the pub now! It's where you reckon I work, remember?
Hang on, are you talking about the joint with the dole bludgers you reckon you met/observed/drank and pulled bongs with (who remembers the twists and turns?!) ?
Was there parking for unicorns there too?
Maybe these other posters can attest and come help you out, hey? Boys? Fellas??
Hello?
*crickets*
Blowin, 1504073012
southey commented MONDAY, 6 FEB 2012 at 12:14AM
Crustt ,
I can Vouch that Rye was Natural as an extreme Grommet .His extended family are close friends .
John ( his dad, ex PI local ) was quick to change this .Although if you asked Rye Today , he probably couldn't recall the last time he went right let alone master it switch .
I think tmh , is onto something . I beleive " the law ' was the First to take off at Pipe during WCT heat Switch . Apparently he wasn't that successful , but just making the drop is enough in my book ........
the best Switch from takeoff , ( apologies for not remembering names ) was a Novocastrian that had been living in Denmark WA , that due to a crook ankle couldn't ride natural stance ( pig dog ) in medium size Bluff . His Answer to this , Totally ownning it Switch from take off , (as most are aware the bluff is a pretty fast wave from deep , plus a tight Tube ) , so his switch foot pumping and tube adjustments were exceptional to watch . All whilst being almost too sore to walk out there ............
" SA's Reserve Capacity "
southey wrote: Hey blowin .
Were u living around Walpole WA in 2001 , we may have met and surfed together at the bluff in Sept-Oct that year , as u were passing through to work up in the mines ?!
You had a crook ankle ? And your originally from Newy or somewhere similar in NSW . ?!?
Southy, Where were you camped in 2001 ?I would have been on my way to Kunnunara maybe. You been back to Bluff ? 2001 was great fun. Every time is the best time though.
I saw a post to Karl B about fishing for pinkies out of there. No fish at Quobba mate...cough cough. It's a shame what's going down there . Have you seen Karl lately ?
Blowin, 1504073653
Right Shatner, that'll be the last time I respond to your accusations too.
Because -A / It's really , really , really boring .
B / It's not even remotely funny or entertaining or informative - which is why any of us are on here . It is indeed really , really , really boring.
C / Because though I honestly don't give a fuck what a boring cunt such as yourself , who can't last 3 sentences without mentioning politics or fucking Trump under any of your ridiculous amount of pseudonyms ...well, other people might just read my posts and have you parroting your crap and not know what's what .
And finally
D / Did I mention that you're really , really , really boring ?
And congrats for fucking another interesting thread. You and Herc should really get lock yourselves into the Elliston gym and circle jerk your way to death through dehydration . The world would be a far better place.
So till then , ie never again , suck my cock you silly old fruit.
indo-dreaming, 1504074182
@ Blowin
That's a sick little pad.
How does it go on a windy rain stormy day?
Blowin, 1504076786
Indo - it's positioned just down from a ridge in the corner of a valley where 9/10 times the rain is falling straight down irrespective of wind strength above the ridge .
Thus only 3 walls.
It's on the bottom of the North coast of NSW. As you're probably aware it gets pretty hot there at times so I went for the platform construction that the Indos / Pacific Islanders figured out was the go hundreds of years ago.
Minimal walls with an air gap at the top to let rising heat escape.
The North Easter funnels in and cools it nicely. Water off the roof for drinking. Also made a little skillion near the veggie garden running water into a tank for the veggie garden and the fruit that's suffering from heat the most.
Stumped it all with gum tree trunk. Water level to height and chopped it with a chainsaw . Perfectly level.
The shelves and bed platform are made out of the old cladding from a banana packing shed.
Often there's a diamond python that lives in the rafters. I call it lippy cause of its useless little snake lips. There's a massive green tree frog that'll park up facing Lippy a couple of feet away on the same rafter. Like it's keeping an eye on Lippy ala the seals that toy with the hunting pointer sharks.
I'll pull Lippy down and show him off to visitors but he gets over it pretty quickly if I do it too often . Then he has a little nip till he gets his space.
He's a clumsy fuck at night, knocking shit off the shelves , but he keeps vermin away .
Every now and again I'll have a turf war with a possum that'll try and take over. Mace those fuckers in the face with chilli oil is literally the only way you'll see the back of them. Crazy fucking animals.
I could go on.....I love it there.
I don't visit too often any more , but it never fails to make me happy just being there. Zero noise or lights or other humans. It's so refreshing.
Younger crew could do this all over the area I'm in. Approach a local cockie and offer him $100 a week between a few of you . Tell him you will be cool and he'll be stoked for an extra $5000 a year towards his bills.
In the meantime , the young surfers can live their Morning of the Earth day dream in their own pad that they built with a hammer , a saw and some recycled timber. Maybe even develop a few life skills along the way.
And then they could surf their guts out...
goofyfoot, 1504076923
So you're the switch foot maestro Southey was talking about?
Blowin, 1504077076
southey commented MONDAY, 23 MAR 2015 at 9:04PM
theblowin wrote: hey southy- when did you see this fella at the bluff ?
Sorry blowin , I left you hanging ( 2years ) and the story almost 14 years old . .....
Well that's a confirmed story .... Thanks udes .
" SA's Reserve Capacity "
thermalben, 1504077180
Righto. We're all sick of the ongoing attacks. Cut it out guys, please? This forum topic is now closed.
Shatner'sBassoon, 1504077192
"In the meantime , the young surfers can live their Morning of the Earth day dream in their own pad that they built with a hammer , a saw and some recycled timber. Maybe even develop a few life skills along the way.
And then they could surf their guts out..."
Just not on the dole, 'cos you know, bludgers and "net tax revenue" and drugs and shit.
Muppet.
Oh yeah, how's this?
"suck my cock you silly old fruit."
Jeepers, for the squintillionth time, Blowie, you've really got to get a handle on that 'psychological projection', maaaate.
As for your 'mate' above, Southy, sure he's even talking about you? It seems all too confused.
Southey:
"I can Vouch that Rye was Natural as an extreme Grommet .His extended family are close friends .
John ( his dad, ex PI local ) was quick to change this .Although if you asked Rye Today , he probably couldn't recall the last time he went right let alone master it switch ."
So you're Rye? From PI?
No hang on, wouldn't Southey know you outright then? Or does he just know your old man? And that you really are from Newy? Wait, Rye isn't you, you're the Novacastrian who Southey couldn't remember the name of ripping the Bluff?
Was Southey asking you that? Did you tell him? Is Southey mixed up? Did you camp together? You reconnected but just not on these threads?
THIS IS YOUR BEST SHIT-SHOT?
Right.............................
I mean who gives a flying fuck. Knock yourself out, Blowie. I think you just did.
There's a lotta Novacastrians out there.
And Indy will be your friend.