Next Federal Election
Variation on a theme...
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fuf0ccyb...
You don't exploit Olympic Pro Surfers Mr Harvey...we do.
Martini Mussolini's 100 day Review whipped up a new Olympic Sized Beach Bar Flag
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mbVQJajqz3E/maxresdefault.jpg
tbb Never said it was an [Abortion]
Qld LNP are first Westminster Govt to Officially Ban (Gag) mentioning or raising Health for debate.
Please someone act surprised & say told ya so...(Bookies refuse to pay out on LNP censured sure bet!)
It's now Officially taboo to utter Secret Woman's Business while Martini Mussolini is on his Throne.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/10/queensland-parliament-pass...
ALP : "Thought we'd seen everything but now this...Boycotting Women's Frontline Health Rights!"
KAP : "Death of Democracy!"
Ab _ _ tion The First Officially Censored Discussion Topic from Joh 4 PM Revivalist Book Burning Club.
Also can't say Youth / Crime / Crisis but Screaming [Youth Crime Crisis] 1,000x is good for business.
Extraordinary pathetically weak Cowardly LNP Censorship of Parliamentary rights...
Qldurr Dictator loses his shit and Bans everyone saying anything for next 4 years...
Cowardly Dictator Blocks Cross bench legitimate Democratic rights to table private members bills.
Why! Coz he's a Woke Liberal coward that censors Whole World to speak about chix health rights.
No doubt to secretly do his dirty bidding without one word from anyone...
ALL lil women Do as I say ...My Rape Dungeon...My Rules...
Qld Perfect one Day > eenie meanie Martini Mussolini's Hell Hole of the Pacific Police State the Next
Dumbarse Qldurrz Voted for Grom of Joh 4 PM 'Martini Mussolini' to ban Women's Voices for 4 years
Davy : " CWA can apply for one free Fig Leaf per Chiko Chick during our sultry Silly season!"
truebluebasher wrote:Voting Rorts are the Same the World over...so precious!
Right Govts stall democracy, ban new enrolments + Spread fear of God into Wards of dying boomers.
Dictators mandate Bill ID for Indigenous + 'Stall 100k's Migrants to Annual Oz Day Citizenship Enrol'Howard's executive overrule Non Core promises desecrated Mandated democracy by 10%
LNP Policy : "We decided Youth, Indigenous,Migrants can't Vote!"
If ya Don't Know > We can brainwash you...Q : Are you better off as Woke Mother Earth decays yer weak Labouring lifeless bodies!"
A : Only a Vote for yer Local Warmongering Dictator rewards restorative Heavenly power for EvermorePlague like NSW Chinese Voters just simply follow AEC Purple Signs on How to VOTE LNP
Don't be Alarmed if a Hi Viz man has already numbered yer Cereal Pack Coupon...Nuthin' Suss!Left Govts race Quarterly Council Citizenship to ward off boomer nimby backlash.
Digitize ID' Direct Enrol Medicare for Fresh Blooded Youth, Migrants & wretched Indigenous.
Mandating Privacy act to thwart LNP Gestapo scanning Rolls to exterminate young progressive Voters.Can't hide the fact that Voter Turnout has fallen by 10% + informal creeps over 5%
So how fearsome is this awesome rising tide Vote Stacking...all be very afraid as Liberals ever say!1995 ALP Premier Carr polled 48.82% (Why!) Coz 93.80% still thought they had to Vote?
2023 ALP Premier Minns polled 36.97% (Why!) Coz 88.04% fear being fined $55 & being Deported.
None can spell who they voted for & too ashamed to share coz they instantly regret voting for them.So much for LNP stoking Asian Invasion of blue belted Boomer Harbour-front seachange enclaves.
Can stuff the Boogie Board Bag for yer Drug Mule but can't block chain yer Bit Coin Border Guard.LNP Terminator convenes Liberal Hate Tribal Council [ Marsha! Marsha! Marsha ]
(Sorry! It's Not happening Jan!) Yer Pre Covid Asian Menace could not even raise Howard's eyebrow!"
Hi tbb,
I hope everything’s going ok for you.
I regard to Labor’s vote stacking efforts I note their national primary vote has dropped from 40% in 1998 to 32.5% in 2024. All this despite millions of Labor voting immigrants being imported.
Yup, that little plot is working well.
Cheers!
A Salty Dog is across the [L] Cry 4 Help
NSW Elections
2011 Libs Polled 51.15% (92.55%) Turnout
2023 Libs Polled 35.37% (88.04%) Turnout
Libs thought Cardigans were fashionable when [L] Premier was scrunching her knickers in purses
Not sure how Labouring the Liberal Party think that is...
Here in Qld > Liberal Censorship List is Growing by the minute
Nov : Aborigines Truth Telling Censored
Dec : Backyard Abortion Talks are aborted
Jan : Back Up Bands are also Banned
Feb : Book Burning Bonfire (History of Qld Censorship) is Black Listed
March : Censorship List is now up to the Letter C
April : Colourful Children's Cartoons get toned down
Martini Mussolini 4 PM concert cancelled by Qld Premier
Dicktator Davy can go fuck himself (Banned Punk Band) Banned from Qld again...
Qldurrz are in Deep Shit when [Sky News] labels their groomed LNP Premier a "Full Dictator"
Qldurrz simply Voted for a return to Joh's Police State...never asked for a Mussolini Headkick
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/full-dictator-david-crisafulli-slamme...
truebluebasher wrote:Variation on a theme...
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fuf0ccyb...You don't exploit Olympic Pro Surfers Mr Harvey...we do.
Martini Mussolini's 100 day Review whipped up a new Olympic Sized Beach Bar Flag
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mbVQJajqz3E/maxresdefault.jpgtbb Never said it was an [Abortion]
Qld LNP are first Westminster Govt to Officially Ban (Gag) mentioning or raising Health for debate.
Please someone act surprised & say told ya so...(Bookies refuse to pay out on LNP censured sure bet!)
It's now Officially taboo to utter Secret Woman's Business while Martini Mussolini is on his Throne.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/10/queensland-parliament-pass...
ALP : "Thought we'd seen everything but now this...Boycotting Women's Frontline Health Rights!"
KAP : "Death of Democracy!"
Ab _ _ tion The First Officially Censored Discussion Topic from Joh 4 PM Revivalist Book Burning Club.
Also can't say Youth / Crime / Crisis but Screaming [Youth Crime Crisis] 1,000x is good for business.Extraordinary pathetically weak Cowardly LNP Censorship of Parliamentary rights...
Qldurr Dictator loses his shit and Bans everyone saying anything for next 4 years...
Cowardly Dictator Blocks Cross bench legitimate Democratic rights to table private members bills.
Why! Coz he's a Woke Liberal coward that censors Whole World to speak about chix health rights.
No doubt to secretly do his dirty bidding without one word from anyone...
ALL lil women Do as I say ...My Rape Dungeon...My Rules...Qld Perfect one Day > eenie meanie Martini Mussolini's Hell Hole of the Pacific Police State the Next
Dumbarse Qldurrz Voted for Grom of Joh 4 PM 'Martini Mussolini' to ban Women's Voices for 4 years
Davy : " CWA can apply for one free Fig Leaf per Chiko Chick during our sultry Silly season!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdxOcib2sR0
You make me laugh TBB! What are you so upset about?? Abortion?
Before the Qld election Labor ran a massive (phone call) scare campaign telling us the Libs were going to rescind a womans right to an abortion (Just like the US), it failed miserably because nobody believed it. The Premier has (in somewhat dictator style) said that there is no change to the Qld abortion laws and have put that in writing, that's all, no change. A woman in Qld still has the freedom and the right to do what they please with their bodies, I know, I help them with this procedure.
A Salty Dog wrote:velocityjohnno wrote:Andy - and guys like Indo and Flollo - pay particular attention from 53:00 in. What he is describing with much data appears to be large electorate reconstituting, via the state planning schemes. Areas that vote blue are targeted for huge multistorey development, and electorates with around the average 117,000 voters seem to be projected for a very large influx of new voters, whom Barrie suggests from their background, will vote 60/40 ALP. This will swing the blue electorates in the NSW city examples given, red. That the Liberal party don't seem to realise this is being foisted on them, shows that they do not see the threat and are either conflicted or asleep at the wheel. I suspect it might be part of the recent state govt Melbourne decision on high rise (overriding local councils) too. Flollo your thoughts? Mass voter importation scheme, like California?
For everyday and young Australians, when it's mentioned that the high rise will make it affordable for them to live close in the city, I suspect all the construction (and it's high cost - wealthy investors only) is not being built with them in mind at all. Tents and vans and dispossession for them instead. Wake up!
Hi vj,
I read quickly through the transcript and wasn’t going to comment but you’ve got me.
Barrie claims Albo has run an immigration racket to shore ALP support in inner city areas of Sydney and Melbourne, over the last 20 years so he could win the 2022 election. And despite the fact the ALP had governed for only 6 years he has managed to rig it while the LNP were in power for the other 14 years. Yeah, right. Gerrymander by immigration. And Barrie has hired Brian Byrne, a specialist in Geocomputation and Spatial Analytics to run through the data sets, analyse the results, set some pretty voting pattern overlays on a computer to prove beyond all doubt Albo is guilty as charged. Because that’s what Brian is good at.
Well, I still have a few functioning neurons left, so let’s have a look.
Here are the 1996, 1998 and 2022 Federal Election Results courtesy of Wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Australian_federal_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Australian_federal_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Australian_federal_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Australian_federal_election
Scroll down and click on the map for “Results by winning party by division for the House of Representatives”.
I can’t see any real difference between any of them for Melbourne and Sydney, and can only conclude Barrie’s work is a load of absolute crap. And he should get a better analyst.
But it also begs the obvious question. Why would you deliberately stack immigrants who “always vote for the ALP” into safe ALP seats? It makes more sense to stack them into Liberal held seats.
None of that seems to have occurred to Matt, or his mate.
The tragic part is his audience appears to believe it.
Barries really is a nutjob: as plain and as simple as you can get.
If I can find the time, I’ll deal with the rest of his pile of crap later but here’s the short version.
Every problem we face today you can trace back to the LNP, probably as far back as Menzies, and their lack of vision, planning for the future and just plain incompetence.
Cheers.
YES, thats right isnt it!
The FACT that the unions went berserk in 73-75 and wages doubled hasn't got anything to do with Australia not having a manufacturing industry.i think that was under the Cough Witless watch.
Under Menzies, there were car manufacturers in Australia with spare parts manufacturers, accessory manufacturers.
Every Labor government ive seen starting with Witless and making a pension for everything, to Hawke/keating greatess NON treasure of the banana republic, to Krudd/JuLIAR, then to this little Turd we have now ARE clueless....come in, spend the surplus, create inflation, raise the cost of living, cause higher interest rates!...they take Australia backwards!
A Salty Dog wrote:velocityjohnno wrote:Hi SD, my interpretation of what he said was not that it was inner ALP seats that got stacked, but rather the forthcoming development of multiple hi-rise areas IS aimed at the remaining, fringe liberal held areas of Sydney. As you said - "It makes more sense to stack them into Liberal held seats."
Please go through the rest of it - I'd love to see you explain how de-industrialising Australia has made it stronger. The huge failure here rests upon both political parties that have governed, remember Hockey daring GM-Holden to leave? Disgraceful.
Hi vj,
I posted those election results to show, despite millions of ALP voting migrants coming here, nothing has really changed in 28 years. But if those migrants all vote for the ALP, why did the LNP keep importing people? And don’t forget half of Albo’s one million migrants had their visas approved by the LNP government.
The Hills area around Sydney has been under housing development for the last 15 or so years. Mostly under the control of Liberal Government. Should some 72000 migrants manage to obtain citizenship and enrol to vote, which is unlikely to happen before 2029, given the 4 year residency requirement, the AEC would be required to redraw the electoral boundaries to rebalance the electorates. Sadly, Barrie sees a conspiracy there as well, despite the ALP losing a seat in NSW in the 2024 redistribution.
Barrie also makes numerous unfounded assumptions to support this notion that a global conspiracy is at hand, perpetrated by the left to gerrymander the electorate by immigration. It is complete and utter rwnj fanciful alarmist nonsense.
I never said de-industrialising Australia has made it stronger.
All major nation building initiatives have come under ALP Governments: the Snowy scheme, car manufacturing, Medicare, Superannuation, NDIS and NBN. The LNP have produced nothing.
If they had supported Connor’s plan, we would have had cheap energy for the last 40 years to support manufacturing etc. Instead, the LNP sold off most the power stations in Victoria, SA and NSW, at rock bottom prices.
Howard legislated to ban nuclear power in 1997, so it was logical to pursue a renewable powered grid, and the ALP went down that path. The LNP on the other hand did everything to frustrate the transition, which would have been essentially seamless if Connor’s gas-powered grid had eventuated. But look where we are now. The LNP now want to throw out 20 years of work on renewables and go down the nuclear path with SMR’s, which don’t actually exist yet, with a 20 year lead time and an undefined budget, which like every other nuclear project on the planet, will get blown out of the water.
Howard also sold off NW Shelf gas to the Chinese on a 25 year deal, which returned nothing to Australia. He also sold two thirds of our gold reserves at rock bottom prices.
The rest of Barries presentation is just an attack on Albanese and the ALP. But what his fan club doesn’t realise is if you look beneath the surface the problem is with the LNP, who embarked on a course of obstruction and frustration, who would do anything to undermine the ALP, and never accept any responsibility for their own work (eg The Voice).
I could go on about a host of other points he raises but I have better things to do.
In closing, Dutton is just a shit stirring little urger, who has not offered anything positive or visionary to improve the quality of life for us all, and never will.
Cheers.
Hi SD I'll pay that one, and it's a strong contention that the ALP actually do nation building whereas the Lib record hasn't been so good. I'd like to expand on the car industry. We are the only OECD top 20 nation without a car industry iirc. It speaks volumes to the loss of diverse technical skills and career paths for young people from everything to production to mechanical and systems engineering.
In the 70s we had 9 or more manufacturers and legislation had been setup to encourage local content (GM and Chrysler were reported attaining 95% local parts). Other brands such as Renault and Leyland were manufacturing cars from CKD kits. The early 70s coincided with Australia (and Canada) being seen as the richest nations on earth, when viewed from a resources/land per person perspective, and having a diversified economy to boot. No surprise, the policy makers who set this up had been young adults through the 1920s commodity bust (all eggs in one basket), the 30's Depression, and WW2.
In the early 1980s the ALP government introduced the Button Plan, an attempt to bring Australia's built practices to 'world class'. By the early 70s a new (boomer) generation of motoring scribes had begun attacking local cars for their content, build, use of space - wheras before, the journalists had phrased reviews in terms of how much local content, how it did the job, how the factories were expanding here, and how good it was for Australia. Perception and generational change fed into cultural cringe.
Anyway, the Button plan saw fewer manufacturers, sharing platforms, and going for quality as the way to go; while tariffs were reduced in gradations until 'the open market' forced us to be 'world class'. Think Holden Apollos based off a Camry, and Nissan: The Ute! Which was an XF ute in Nissan badging. Every other country continued to support it's manufacturing industry as we undertook this experiment. Some unremarkable cars were produced, and the smaller CKD manufacturers, like Renault (of which my parents bought one when we got to Australia) closed.
No one reviewed the plan. And so the tariffs continued to drop. The industry warned that it would no longer exist if they continued down below 10%. Many Australians cheered - surely this meant cheaper cars from their offshore brand of choice, when our industry was gone and no longer a tax burden.
Nissan was gone in 91 I think, Mitsubishi (who took over Chrysler's Tonsley Park plant) was gone at GFC time (after what I remember as a particularly hostile campaign in the press - we love to sledge our own), and Ford announced production would stop in 2013, for 2016. Parts suppliers supply all the 3 left, it wasn't long before Toyota (who were exporting well, particularly to the ME with the Camry hybrid platform) and Holden also announced to go. Most of the parts suppliers have gone too. Tariffs kept falling and the plan was not reviewed. In this time Australia produced hybrid cars as above, small cars (Cruze), an SUV (Territory), a small convertible (Capri), our unique Utes and panel vans, and the large family cars we were known for, Falcon & Commodore being like a BMW M5 at $$$ the everyday Australia could afford - if a bit more simple and rugged, no bad thing on a Nullarbor run, which they could do easily. Ford's inline 6 is an absolute gem - now being exported worldwide and dropped into all sorts of performance cars. It will do 500,000km to 1,000,000km unopened. The last SSV Redline Commodores are about the best manifestation of this, and are absolutely world beating in terms of bang for $$$. Interestingly, the press right up till 2017 doubted the local cars were 'world class'.
Government departments buying local and turning over at 3 years produced near new family cars for Australians at very affordable prices.
Since cars have stopped being manufactured in Australia, prices of cars have gone - up. A Corolla which was a 20K car now tips 40K in upper models. Even accounting for inflation, it's more expensive size for $. So yeah, that bit didn't pan out as expected. It seems the local industry kept a lid on overall market pricing and benefited the consumer.
And so it was failure on both sides of politics to review the Button plan, and a general desire not to manufacture from government, that ended it. Countries like Iran now produce over a million cars a year, and we now make some Nissan electric components in Dandenong, and do a local conversion on the big US pick ups. That's it. And it didn't have to be this way.
I think we'll learn, but have to go through the wringer again like 1920-45, to learn it once again.
Just throw these in there as a postscript:
Back in year 2000:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_ECOmmodore
In 2012:
https://thedriven.io/2021/11/01/the-long-gone-but-not-forgotten-electric...
@VJ, I finally found a bit of time to reply to your post regarding that Barrie speech. I read the transcript on his website; I personally better absorb information through reading.
Let me start by addressing the politics side of it. He is arguing that there is a conspiracy to immigrate people into the LNP seats. My view on it; government is too incompetent to coordinate anything of that scale. They have no resources or the capability. Regarding the development areas he's talking about, these are the areas where most people want to live (if they can afford it). There are plenty of cheap units in Western Sydney but living on the North Shore is a different experience. Also, a lot of these areas are chronically underdeveloped. Which in a way, is one of the reasons of high real estate prices. It's unbelievable that you can still have a beautiful house, on a generous piece of land, overlooking Sydney Harbour. And, have access to world class career opportunities in the city. I don't think that people realise how rare this is. It certainly is extremely rare in an Alpha rated global city. And of course, it costs extreme amounts of money to buy a place like this.
So, it's no wonder that developers want their slice of the pie. I think Minn's plan is more driven by developer lobby rather than some electoral engineering. He's also aligned with the federal government in this. You can see that clearly as both Vic and NSW pushed the exact same agenda at the exact same time. They are committed to increasing the housing supply rather than killing the demand in the market. Biggest change in the market is coming from the build to rent push. Government is giving some generous tax concessions. Below are the federal ones, there are some local ones as well.
https://www.kwm.com/global/en/insights/latest-thinking/residential-btr-s...
Who does this favour? It favours international developers who finance projects through investment funds. So, chances are you will be buying an equity in a managed fund at NYSE and with that, end up owning a piece of Australian residential real estate. This is obvious to me and it's not some distant future thing.
And then ask yourself, who will live in these units? Who lives in all those units in Melbourne? The answer is simple, immigrants. So yes, in a way, Barrie is right. A lot of this development is to accommodate for future population increase, primarily through immigration.
But why all this immigration? Simple, there's too much money in it. Immigration brings massive increase in tax base for governments. And pretty much an increase in revenue for all their major lobbyists. Every immigrant needs a bank account, housing, mobile phone plan and food. I'll add universities in here as well as they drive an enormous chunk of immigration. Calling it exports is ludicrous. In addition to the above, it's good to highlight that foreign students pay much higher fees. And non-permanent migrants (those not on a PR visa) pay much higher taxes.
Just work backwards from the above and you will answer the immigration question.
My final thought on this; I am personally not against high rise developments. Especially in the big cities. But I am against these ridiculous immigration levels. We could fix the residential housing crisis with the land we already developed. You don't need to release more land to fix the housing crisis.
I'll leave it at that in this post. I will write another one regarding the other topics which I'm more passionate about. I know that you are interested in manufacturing and economic complexity etc. Best to separate some posts otherwise there's too much stuff on one page.
Excellent Flollo, thank you for taking the time to respond. You and I both were immigrants at one stage, probably coming from places with greater economic complexity and manufacturing... as such we have a view as if looking in from outside; what would we want for Australia & our kids' futures if we wanted the best for it, given what we know of the places we come from?
Dutto openly proposes world's most expensive Power Supply.
Each Charted Power supply is costed for the same 25 year life cycle
$58,333 / home supplied by $70b Ontario Nuke Plant / 1.2m homes (Govt own Costings)
$57,000 / home supplied by $57.18b Georgia US Nuke Plant / 1m homes
$ 30,290 / home supplied by $90.87b Hinkley UK Nuke Plant / 3m homes
$ 10,413 / home supplied by $31.24b Flamville France Nuke Plant / 3m homes
Renewables ( Standard Price )
$ 3,526 / home supplied by $13.4b East Anglia Offshore Wind / 3.8m homes
$ 4,650 / home supplied by $1.8b Nevada US Solar Array 400k homes
$2,533 / home supplied by $600m Qld Solar Array 235k homes
2025 Oz Proposed (Vote for...)
$2,500 / home supplied by $10b Port Stephens 4m homes
$5,555 / home supplied by $10b Illawarra 1.8m homes
$79,913 / home supplied by $331b Dutto's 7x nukes 4.142m (38% of Oz homes)
tbb previoulsy under stated Lib's Nukes cost of being 23x more costly than renewables...
ALP previously understated Lib's Nukes cost of being 28x more costly than renewables...
Today Dutto openly reveals his Lib's Nukes cost as being 32x more costly than renwables
All Aussies could retire & live off the income of $79,913 Solar Roof Top Grid...(Please pick tbb!)
In fact SA has too much Roof Top Solar for the Grid to handle +
tbb has been reducing bills thanks to 2007 Rushed Lib Solar Panels
Can't recall paying a power bill thanks to ALP > Reading $780 credit & never even voted once...
Fuckin' stoked with Both LNP Howard & ALP Miles...Energy Rebates.
Salute LNP Howard for banning Nukes & hooking up tbb's Solar...Way to go...100% Works a treat!
Today Oz Liberal Voters queue to Vote for world's most expensive Nuke Power $79,913 / home
These Lib voters wish to hand their neighbours a $80k Power bill just to flick Albo...
That is next level H.A.T.E. FU...Yuppie Lib snobs...trying to buy & ransom the Election by Wealth.
Libs love freedom of choice so much >
Can shove yer Hot Pots & Please Just give tbb a new $80k Climate Smart Kitchen & Shower...
Dutto can keep the Change!
Don't Like Oz Climate then Leave > go paint yer Targeted lids on yer Nuke Thermal Flasks.
Just don't paint targets on us you fuckin' cowards...take yer WMD War offshore or 'nother planet!
[Factcheck] Dutto's Nukes are least reliable > #1 Target in a crisis > Each a Ransomed #1 suicide Bomb.
Ukraine Nuke plants have been hit 74x resulting in 38 reactor malfunctions + 13 o's Emergencies!
Correct...These Nukes required 13 foreign interventions to prevent World blowing up...
Only Dutto is that selfish to mandate the world to Wipe our Arse should neighbours invade SOS!
Typical Cowardly selfish WMD Lib policy...We decide who dies > you all mop up our #1 Global Threat.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/11/1157441
https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries...
Residents of all Neighbouring / afar Nations have warned Whole Europe is a ticking time bomb.
So selfish is Nuclear Power ...they Hostage all innocent people forever...#1 Global Terror Treat!
Exactly why Evangelists control this power...to make all meek fear their hand of God! Do as we say!
World is racing to prevent Ukraine's Bomb from going off...all are packing shit...living in fear!
Ukraine Hospitals / Schools / Cities switching over daily to 80% > soon 100% renewables
Dutto has already promised to Bankroll Ukraine's switch from Nukes to Renewables (He has no choice!)
There ya Go...Dutto is #1 Ukraine Renewable Fan...
Ask Dutto...does he support Nuke Bomb ransom of Europe or World racing to defuse #1 Nuke Threat...
All know & hear him Drooling...LNP choose the KILL KILL KILL(WMD Option!)...well durr!
Lib Warmongers must really hate us Aussies to paint 7 largest most expensive targets on our nation.
Go paint a target on yer Roof not ours you selfish lunatic arseholes! Blow up yer own backyards!
tbb, the last person I would trust with nuclear energy is Peter Dutton. Can you please share the story of Georgia Vogtle, units 3 and 4? These are latest reactors in the US, they launched recently. You are good with digging data out, cost blowouts were astronomical. Why would we trust Dutton when even those with much more experience couldn't prevent the cost blowouts.
Disclaimer: I'm not against nuclear energy.
velocityjohnno wrote:Excellent Flollo, thank you for taking the time to respond. You and I both were immigrants at one stage, probably coming from places with greater economic complexity and manufacturing... as such we have a view as if looking in from outside; what would we want for Australia & our kids' futures if we wanted the best for it, given what we know of the places we come from?
We want the future where our kids don't have to leave the country to follow certain professions. Or even if they can get some local jobs in their chosen fields, meaningful career opportunities and progression are often based overseas. As a country, we are slowly but surely moving into this direction. As a father of 3 boys I often think about this. I believe there are very slim chances that all 3 remain in Australia.
velocityjohnno wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:velocityjohnno wrote:Hi SD, my interpretation of what he said was not that it was inner ALP seats that got stacked, but rather the forthcoming development of multiple hi-rise areas IS aimed at the remaining, fringe liberal held areas of Sydney. As you said - "It makes more sense to stack them into Liberal held seats."
Please go through the rest of it - I'd love to see you explain how de-industrialising Australia has made it stronger. The huge failure here rests upon both political parties that have governed, remember Hockey daring GM-Holden to leave? Disgraceful.
Hi vj,
I posted those election results to show, despite millions of ALP voting migrants coming here, nothing has really changed in 28 years. But if those migrants all vote for the ALP, why did the LNP keep importing people? And don’t forget half of Albo’s one million migrants had their visas approved by the LNP government.
The Hills area around Sydney has been under housing development for the last 15 or so years. Mostly under the control of Liberal Government. Should some 72000 migrants manage to obtain citizenship and enrol to vote, which is unlikely to happen before 2029, given the 4 year residency requirement, the AEC would be required to redraw the electoral boundaries to rebalance the electorates. Sadly, Barrie sees a conspiracy there as well, despite the ALP losing a seat in NSW in the 2024 redistribution.
Barrie also makes numerous unfounded assumptions to support this notion that a global conspiracy is at hand, perpetrated by the left to gerrymander the electorate by immigration. It is complete and utter rwnj fanciful alarmist nonsense.
I never said de-industrialising Australia has made it stronger.
All major nation building initiatives have come under ALP Governments: the Snowy scheme, car manufacturing, Medicare, Superannuation, NDIS and NBN. The LNP have produced nothing.
If they had supported Connor’s plan, we would have had cheap energy for the last 40 years to support manufacturing etc. Instead, the LNP sold off most the power stations in Victoria, SA and NSW, at rock bottom prices.
Howard legislated to ban nuclear power in 1997, so it was logical to pursue a renewable powered grid, and the ALP went down that path. The LNP on the other hand did everything to frustrate the transition, which would have been essentially seamless if Connor’s gas-powered grid had eventuated. But look where we are now. The LNP now want to throw out 20 years of work on renewables and go down the nuclear path with SMR’s, which don’t actually exist yet, with a 20 year lead time and an undefined budget, which like every other nuclear project on the planet, will get blown out of the water.
Howard also sold off NW Shelf gas to the Chinese on a 25 year deal, which returned nothing to Australia. He also sold two thirds of our gold reserves at rock bottom prices.
The rest of Barries presentation is just an attack on Albanese and the ALP. But what his fan club doesn’t realise is if you look beneath the surface the problem is with the LNP, who embarked on a course of obstruction and frustration, who would do anything to undermine the ALP, and never accept any responsibility for their own work (eg The Voice).
I could go on about a host of other points he raises but I have better things to do.
In closing, Dutton is just a shit stirring little urger, who has not offered anything positive or visionary to improve the quality of life for us all, and never will.
Cheers.
Hi SD I'll pay that one, and it's a strong contention that the ALP actually do nation building whereas the Lib record hasn't been so good. I'd like to expand on the car industry. We are the only OECD top 20 nation without a car industry iirc. It speaks volumes to the loss of diverse technical skills and career paths for young people from everything to production to mechanical and systems engineering.
In the 70s we had 9 or more manufacturers and legislation had been setup to encourage local content (GM and Chrysler were reported attaining 95% local parts). Other brands such as Renault and Leyland were manufacturing cars from CKD kits. The early 70s coincided with Australia (and Canada) being seen as the richest nations on earth, when viewed from a resources/land per person perspective, and having a diversified economy to boot. No surprise, the policy makers who set this up had been young adults through the 1920s commodity bust (all eggs in one basket), the 30's Depression, and WW2.
In the early 1980s the ALP government introduced the Button Plan, an attempt to bring Australia's built practices to 'world class'. By the early 70s a new (boomer) generation of motoring scribes had begun attacking local cars for their content, build, use of space - wheras before, the journalists had phrased reviews in terms of how much local content, how it did the job, how the factories were expanding here, and how good it was for Australia. Perception and generational change fed into cultural cringe.
Anyway, the Button plan saw fewer manufacturers, sharing platforms, and going for quality as the way to go; while tariffs were reduced in gradations until 'the open market' forced us to be 'world class'. Think Holden Apollos based off a Camry, and Nissan: The Ute! Which was an XF ute in Nissan badging. Every other country continued to support it's manufacturing industry as we undertook this experiment. Some unremarkable cars were produced, and the smaller CKD manufacturers, like Renault (of which my parents bought one when we got to Australia) closed.
No one reviewed the plan. And so the tariffs continued to drop. The industry warned that it would no longer exist if they continued down below 10%. Many Australians cheered - surely this meant cheaper cars from their offshore brand of choice, when our industry was gone and no longer a tax burden.
Nissan was gone in 91 I think, Mitsubishi (who took over Chrysler's Tonsley Park plant) was gone at GFC time (after what I remember as a particularly hostile campaign in the press - we love to sledge our own), and Ford announced production would stop in 2013, for 2016. Parts suppliers supply all the 3 left, it wasn't long before Toyota (who were exporting well, particularly to the ME with the Camry hybrid platform) and Holden also announced to go. Most of the parts suppliers have gone too. Tariffs kept falling and the plan was not reviewed. In this time Australia produced hybrid cars as above, small cars (Cruze), an SUV (Territory), a small convertible (Capri), our unique Utes and panel vans, and the large family cars we were known for, Falcon & Commodore being like a BMW M5 at $$$ the everyday Australia could afford - if a bit more simple and rugged, no bad thing on a Nullarbor run, which they could do easily. Ford's inline 6 is an absolute gem - now being exported worldwide and dropped into all sorts of performance cars. It will do 500,000km to 1,000,000km unopened. The last SSV Redline Commodores are about the best manifestation of this, and are absolutely world beating in terms of bang for $$$. Interestingly, the press right up till 2017 doubted the local cars were 'world class'.
Government departments buying local and turning over at 3 years produced near new family cars for Australians at very affordable prices.
Since cars have stopped being manufactured in Australia, prices of cars have gone - up. A Corolla which was a 20K car now tips 40K in upper models. Even accounting for inflation, it's more expensive size for $. So yeah, that bit didn't pan out as expected. It seems the local industry kept a lid on overall market pricing and benefited the consumer.
And so it was failure on both sides of politics to review the Button plan, and a general desire not to manufacture from government, that ended it. Countries like Iran now produce over a million cars a year, and we now make some Nissan electric components in Dandenong, and do a local conversion on the big US pick ups. That's it. And it didn't have to be this way.
I think we'll learn, but have to go through the wringer again like 1920-45, to learn it once again.
Hi vj,
An excellent detailed presentation of how things transpired. A small local market didn’t help the economies of scale and while export markets were found it wasn’t enough to keep everything going. We would all be better off had a more concerted effort been made to keep the industry afloat, and I like your optimism but I can’t see any one stumping up the cash to start again. Opportunity gone, likely forever.
Nothing wrong with Australian designed and built. I had an XB Panel Van which took me everywhere for many years. Up the Stuart Highway to Uluru and Alice Springs etc. I even drove it across the bone dry Palmer River when we believed the BP Road map to be accurate and we found ourselves in the middle of nowhere with no defined road or track anywhere to be seen. It was a much better vehicle than the Hillman Hunter Wagon which preceded it, and it rarely missed a beat. We had two VR wagons which just kept going and a 2003 Astra which never had a problem over 15 years.
Fun fact: in 1994 I purchased a Ford Capri for the CEO’s wife: it was hard to get one as they were going out of production but the dealer managed to find one with the requested colour. A couple of years later it had a shunt in the rear and went off to the panel beaters for repair. When they removed the rear bumper, written in mastic on the frame behind it were the words, “The Last One”.
Cheers!
Here ya go flollo...there's no shortage of Depressing News on Georgia Nuke Rorts...
Quote : Plant Vogtle Each of Units 3/4 capable of generating 500,000 homes / businesses
https://www.bechtel.com/projects/plant-vogtle-unit-3-4/#:~:text=Key%20Fa....
Feb 2024 Georgia cost $36.85b US = $57.90b AUD > Make that $57,900 / home & rising by each search!
Simply divide Plant cost / per home (1m max )= Bingo...Show's over as said ...most run 25 year warranty...that's it!
Plenty of reports verify the same deal...or worse again.
Same as Dutto's Quote just check ABS number of Homes in Oz then 38%
Media could wrap it up in 5 mins & call him out as a Dud for tanking ...Not gonna happen!
Dutto don't care coz he's weaponizing his waste on site = WMD ...All mine precious
LNP Nuke Bombs Sales are Us!
Click US Overview...Georgia blowout quote is pretty much the go to Shitshow.
https://www.worldnuclearreport.org/The-World-Nuclear-Industry-Status-Rep...
Can sue tbb for under quoting & presuming this White Elephant could supply 1m homes.
Being generous here...reckon the costs will blow out further when all said & done...
Reckon if ya shop around...can blow that total to blazes...only took 5 mins to pop out this quote
Really is the World's most shithouse pathetic Energy Rort that Busted Lead Nuke Industry's arse.
Any Oz punter still think Nukes are a Viable option in 21st Century should lose their crayon licence.
They even have a few Vids on this Shitshow & the locals are fuming...they copped a life sentence...
All flat broke / Record Nuke Bills mandated out their arses all staring at the Wall...do them a favour!
Says here that plant in Ontario is subsidized by Govt $7.3b / year...Ted / Dutto wank over it...
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/you-couldn-t-make-this...
So much for LNP free enterprise...Socialist Power Scheme bankrupting the Nation.
Qldurrz gotta keep apologizing for the Guilt & shame & we seriously don't wanna inflict any more pain...
Coz we can't live with any more Dumbarse Qld Leader Jokes...does our head in...but we deserve it!
These evangelical Nuke Weapons Nutters will see Oz excise Qld...be for real this next time, so be it
There you have it. When construction started in 2009 the cost estimate was $14B. 15 years later the real cost is nearly $37B.
Speaking of Qld Leaders...Jim is apparently spreading the Xmas cheer...good at Gift Wrapping...
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/jim-chalmers-concedes-theres-a-possi...
Well, both him & Tony make pretty good Secret Santas...
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/tony-burke-has-his-eyes-on-the-job-...
Do we Qldurrz gotta apologize ahead of time...might let ya down easy...reads creepy...
C'mon Oz!
Qldurrz are passing the baton to any Dopey Southern Son that rises up...we can't breathe!
Every Qld Pollie wants to Rule their Rival Pollie's World...
Might have something to do with our locked out Lib style Media Headline Grab...
Coz it kinda Headlines the next powerbroker...need to examine our overinflated isolated Qldurr ego...
Not sure how tbb is meant to self examine as it's 99.99% censored...that's our issue!
We're suppressed by a Right Wing media cloak that suffocates the citizens.
Spuds got a plan . https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-reveals-nuclear-energy-co.... The Coalition’s plan also hinges on running coal plants for potentially decades longer than forecast by the Australian Energy Grid Operator (AEMO), capping the rollout of renewables at just over half of energy supply and building the first nuclear plant by 2037 – 50 per cent more quickly than the CSIRO said is possible.
By the looks of this , the big G hasn’t got much faith in spud pulling off his ( or her ) plan . https://reneweconomy.com.au/gina-rinehart-to-build-eye-sore-solar-farm-o...
Might as well put this up in the politics subforum, to spare the front page. It's 18 months away or so, but here we go.
This is how Dutton wins:
https://www.afr.com/politics/enter-the-liberal-party-working-class-heroe...