The Israel Palestine problem solving thread

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Dunno if you have seen this, or if it will go to front page, but this is the craziest stuff I've seen in a long time:

https://www.twz.com/news-features/hezbollahs-exploding-pagers-could-be-a...

https://www.twz.com/news-features/more-electronics-explode-in-lebanon-as...

Super crazy it was like out of a movie an amazing operation and as targeted as could be, and while the death rate was low, many are badly injured hundreds blinded and these are next level Hezbollah not just nobody fighters, and right now not only would Hezzobolah be having trouble communicating in a time they really need to, but Israel is in their head they will be paranoid to use any communication device.

Let's hope this news is true, it's been pretty much 24hrs now and no proof of life, so its starting to look very likely.

Israel have had an amazing run in the last few weeks with Hezbollah, 6 of the 8 top commanders are also dead.

And then the amazing pager and walk talkie operation last week, it just goes to show Israels eyes and ears and intel was all on Hezbollah prior to 7th oct, as they are far far far more of a threat than Hamas, and even with all this done including huge strikes on missiles stock piles and launchers they are still a huge threat.

BTW. Sinwar in Gaza also hasnt been heard from for quite some time, it seems there could be a chance he has also been taken out, but we will have to wait and see.

BTW. For those that dont know on the 8th October before Israel even entered Gaza, Hezzbolah had already started firing rockets into Israel displacing 70,000 to 100,000 Israelis, they havent been able to return home and in the last 11 months Hezobollah has fired over 8,000 rockets into Israel, with Israel barely retaliating as the focus has been in Gaza and Hamas. (and Palestine Islamic jihad)

So this return of fire and target in Hezbollah hasn't come from nowhere.

^ hahaha, all coming from someone who doesn’t know what the nakba is

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It's confirmed Jelly Brain another one of your hero's is dead.

BTW. You need to get off Youtube and pick up a history book and actually read about the 1948 Arab-Israli war from a proper historical neutral position.

In particular go learn about the Arab league (7 Arab countries that formed together to try to stop Jews getting any state)

Heres some historical context on how the 1948 arab-israli war became known as the Nakba (“catastrophe”)

"Palestinian groups and their supporters have termed the creation of 700,000 Arab refugees in 1948 as the Nakba (“catastrophe”) and it is annually commemorated on 15 May. But this widely used term of abuse against Israel ironically originated as a criticism of the Arab nations.

In August 1948 Constantin Zurayk, the Syrian Arab Christian, defined the term Nakba in a book and then a pamphlet written after the Arab-Israeli war, when seven Arab states went to war against the newly independent state of Israel. Zurayk described the Nakba as the catastrophic failure by the Arabs to stop the establishment of the State of Israel, as “Seven Arab states declare war on Zionism in Palestine, stop impotent before it, and then turn on their heels”.

In his pamphlet, “The Meaning of the Disaster”, Zurayk wrote that, “The representatives of the Arabs deliver fiery speeches in the highest international forums, warning what the Arab states and peoples will do if this or that decision be enacted. Declarations fall like bombs from the mouths of officials at the meetings of the Arab League, but when action becomes necessary, the fire is still and quiet, the steel and iron are rusted and twisted, quick to bend and disintegrate. The bombs are hollow and empty. They cause no damage and kill no one”.

Zurayk pointed out that in 1948 the Arab states were still young, with small, ill-equipped armies. “Seven states seek the abolition of partition and the subduing of Zionism, but they leave the battle having lost a not inconsiderable portion of the soil of Palestine, even of the part given to the Arabs in the partition. They are forced to accept a truce in which there is neither advantage nor gain for them”

In pointing out the difference between the struggle faced by the Jews and the Arabs, Zurayk wrote that, “These Zionists do not have the characteristics of a united nation, for they are from widely separate lands, speak different languages, and follow different ways. Their only common bonds are religion and suffering. Despite these facts the idea has united them, sharpened by their determination, and created in them the unflinching will to struggle so that, by this will and by their unconditional acceptance of modern civilisation, they have almost accomplished that which is unnatural, whereas, that which is natural to the Arabs – that they form a nation – is not as yet accomplished. Here is the decisive difference!”

Zurayk criticised the Arabs of Palestine as weak and impotent. He further wrote that as soon as “the first bombs fell on them, they fled and evacuated their cities and their strongholds, and surrendered them to the enemy on a silver platter.” This led to the situation that a large number of them fled even before the battle had taken place and they took refuge in other Arab countries and in remote regions of Palestine.

Zurayk summarised his concerns by providing an accurate picture of the future where a Jewish state established in Palestine would be “internationally secured through recognition by the United Nations and by individual states”. He believed that the country would eventually have the “largest Air Force in the Near East and God forbid, a merchant marine and a fleet which will dominate these shores in their entirety as well as an organised, mechanised army supported by abundant material and the most hellish modern weapons.” Furthermore he could see a future where this state “will open its doors to thousands of immigrants who will pour into it from Europe and to millions of dollars which will flood it from America. Thus it will become a human and financial force which will be difficult to contain in its own area and which will overflow into the remainder of the Arab countries by every possible means and thus constitute, during a situation of world disturbance, a great danger for those countries”.

In the intervening 76 years, the Nakba which Zurayk defined as the failure of ineffectual Arab states to achieve “the abolition of partition and the subduing of Zionism” whilst also leaving the battle “having lost a not inconsiderable portion of the soil of Palestine” has been disingenuously redefined by the Israel haters as the expulsion of Palestinians and creation of refugees from the future state of Israel and areas that could have been included in a state of Palestine.

Zurayk made no mention of the Palestinians as a people - he defined the Nakba as the self-inflicted wound of the Arabs, not of Israel.

The politicised hijacking of the term Nakba which bemoaned the absence of pan-Arab unity and castigated Arabs for their failings has become a term of abuse against Israel and is a calculated and continuous act of deception designed to absolve Arab states of blame and condemn Israel for successfully defending itself against attack.

Zurayk had a prophetic view of the Arab youth at the time. He noted that, “The young men of this nation look around in all directions, but on the one hand they do not find their ideal within the present leadership, nor on the other hand do the struggles of the disjointed nationalist cliques satisfy their eager ambition; thus despair overcomes them, and perplexity overflows in their souls. They end either by doubting their own nation and despairing of the potentialities of their people, in which case they follow a path leading toward satisfaction of desire and yielding to temptation, or else they fall prey to some destructive movement and find their consolation in uproar and disturbance for its own sake, regardless of result”

This prophecy has been borne out with the relentless and pointless terrorism by Hamas, Hezbollah and before them the PLO against Israel. The continued desperate levels of hatred against the Jewish state demonstrated clearly just how devastating the Nakba or Arab failure has been for Arab hope and Arab lives.

The catastrophe of the Nakba remains the refusal of the Arab nations in 1948 to accept the UN proposition of the Partition for Palestine. If they had we would be celebrating the 76th birthday not only of Israel but also of a Palestinian State."

Well technically Jordan was created in 1947 out of Palestine 70% of Palestine, but yeah the identity of being ethnically Palestine wouldn't be invented/created until the late 60s.

- noinfo ya baby pumpkin head ;)
…quit getting ur wargasm on, all the glorification of death etc fark

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- every time u try reinterpret things it’s just to suit ya bibi bootlicking slant
… another eggspurt creation, of noinfo… netanyahu his hero ;)

Carry on

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You should read his book (i dont think there is a youtube version) it sounds right up your ally.

"Ma'na al-Nakba (Arabic: معنى النكبة), transl. The Meaning of the Catastrophe, is an anti-Zionist and pan-Arabic book by Constantin Zureiq published by Dar al-Ilm lil-Malayeen [ar] in Beirut in 1948.[1] The book defines the conceptual parameters of the Arab tragedy, which Zureiq terms al-Nakba, to describe the Arab defeat of the War of 1948.[2][3][4] It was the first of many works by Arab intellectuals to analyse the reasons behind the Nakba.[5] Many have claimed that the book took great courage to write, as intellectual freedom was challenging at the time.[4]"

The book was written during a ceasefire of the 1948 Palestine war and sold out that summer. It was re-printed in October that year due to high demand.[6] Zureiq became one of the first to describe the developments of the war and to use the term Nakba (النكبة 'disaster' or 'catastrophe').[3]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27na_an-Nakba

More good news they did get another top leader Ali Kraki in the strike that killed Nasrallah.

Its also reported quite a few other leaders taken out in the strike. (not on attached image)

Also reported that Nasrallah was likely watching BIbi's UN speech at the time Bibi actually gave permission for the strike just beforehand, they probably thought Bibi was going to be over their swayed into a ceasefire deal and then bang.

Also a smart move not letting USA know of the operation until it started better for both them and Israel, USA can say they knew nothing, less hassle for Israel.

IDF also conducted more air strikes last night on Hezzbollah rocket sites especially on a storage site with some pretty hardcore land to sea missiles.

BTW. This doesn't mean there wont be a ceasefire at some stage but, the worst thing you can do before getting a ceasefire is taking your foot of the gas, the best thing you can do is ramp up attacks and put more pressure on the enemy and improve your bargaining position, although they need to assure that they take out as much of their missiles now before any ceasefire, give it a few weeks at least maybe drag it out to the USA election time.

The risk of course is Iran, but Iran then risk going to war against Israel & USA, and any retaliation from Iran presently could favour Trump getting in which they dont want.

Iran also ideally has to conduct a bigger attack then last time otherwise they dont look to serious, and if it failed again they would look really silly, and if they were successfully they then go into a bigger war and they then risk their Nuclear program, which they really want to use in the future in the same way Russia does in creating fear and using having the Nuc's to prevent being attacked.

Good to see many muslims in the middle east celebrating too.

"Nasrallah Killed: Muslims of Lebanon, Syria Share Sweets, Dance, Sing; Hezbollah Chief KIlled"

- Hmmmmm. Short memory ;);)

“If you want to continue your adult education campaign you need to acquire more nuance and understanding. You may lose some of your fixed ideas, but hey, it'll make you a better person.”

…yep …’nothing ever changes’ hahaha

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- more from the noinfo feedback loop haha :

“…..stop mistaking education for confirmation of bias.” ;)

& “…..you are the only one on here gloating over dead people.” ;);)

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- maybe consider you’re not exactly in a position to recommend that other ppl read books etc ;)
… getting your kicks outta murder and war and providing updates on ppl being murdered as ‘good news’ and saying it’s ’good to see’ ppl ‘celebrating too’ is just plain fucked up and sadistic.

… you’re simply obsessed and deranged;)
- enjoy your warmongering bloodlust tho ;);)

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Israel in on the ground in Lebanon now.

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“It's a cycle they have been locked in for 70 years.”

^ yep… occupation.

And i expect you also think indigenous Australians are occupying Australia too???

The West Bank was only renamed the West Bank in 1949 when Jordan gained the area in the 1948 war (then lost it to Israel in the 1967 6 day war)

For the previous 3,300 years including when the land was called Palestine it was called Judea & Samaria.

Has the penny dropped yet in your thick empty head??....

Yes Jews are named after Judea, Samaritans after Samaria, these area's are the dead heart of the Jewish people's history and culture

There is over 3,000 Jewish antiquity sites in West bank most dating back over 2,000 years, including the second most important Jewish site the cave of the patriarchs, that of course Arab/muslim tried to claim as their own after they invaded in the 7th century.

Heres some perspective for you Jews became Jews from Hebrews/Israelites 3,000 years ago, Palestinians became Palestinians from Arabs 60 years ago, Judaism was formed 3,300 year ago , Islam was formed only 1,300 years ago, Jewish history in the land is quite literally over twice as old as Arab islamic history that arrived with the Turkish Otoman empire and just like the Roman empire it was a true. colonial state that brought with it its own language, religion and culture, just like us white fella in Australia did.

Here someone has made it easy for clowns like you to learn some history about the temple mount.

- hahaha way to go with the trigger finger gerbil edit

…oh …and go fuck yaself ;);)

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& this hahahaha

“ …i expect you also think indigenous Australians are occupying Australia too???”
- “ Has the penny dropped yet in your thick empty head??....”

;);)

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- it’s the never ending noinfo gerbil genocide jamboree haha

… you’re simply obsessed and deranged ;)
- don’t forget to enjoy your warmongering bloodlust ;);)

… & ummm, of course …accuse the other side of that which you are guilty
(did someone say thick empty head hahaha)

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Wow, only just heard about the Iranian missile attacks on Israel.
Fark hey, you poke the lion enough times.....
Interesting times. Netanyahu proving once again he's a callous warmonger that instead of looking for peaceful solutions, ramps up the aggression at every opportunity.
Anyway. Quiet in here these days. Maybe both sides over there could learn something from SN's approach to conflict? Would that be the equivalent of the media not reporting on the state of affairs there? Hmmm.

Watching the footage of the latest attacks and thinking how far will each side take it this time ?

- jerusalem was intended to be a holy land for muslims, jews and christians to come together and they did manage to live peacefully for hundreds of years... Until zionism came.

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Israel murdering 10,000s of Children, Women & innocents now encompassing 40 more countries
Mass murderers have now hot wired & compromised global first-responder's Emergency Network.
Nowhere is safe from these monsters that hold each & every civilian on Earth hostage.

Medics & Rescuers now equally fear for their lives by simply rescuing innocents anywhere, anytime!
Not sure if crew realize that up to a million Aussie Frontline use similar boobie trapped devices...
Ask yerself...would you let your loved one use similar device each day...while Killers are still at large!

State Govt's are expanding reach of same branded 2 way tech to 200-300,000 care responders
Takes Pure Evil cowardice to sabotage & threaten the lives of every known caring folk on earth.

Fearing loss of Oz / Aged Health frontline that share same tech...motioned for ADF to clear Supply lines.
Yes tbb sent best wishes to Qld Health...that must risk being blown up by Israelis any minute of the day!

Only when these evil perpetrators are brought to justice can National Defence bodies reassure Frontline.
Until such time the whole world is held prisoner to biggest monster the world has ever known!
Peace & Goodwill to all.

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Not sure if Anyone has seen the Weekend Australian but apparently Australian Jews are still the biggest victims of this escalating conflict. Was pretty stoked to get off the plane from Indo and step straight into a free Palestine March in Perth.
The n ate Korean BBQ……..so good

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https://www.arirang.com.au/

Holy smokes, Indo’s got quite the death boner on at the moment.

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Not sure if Anyone has seen the Weekend Australian but apparently Australian Jews are still the biggest victims of this escalating conflict. Was pretty stoked to get off the plane from Indo and step straight into a free Palestine March in Perth.
The n ate Korean BBQ……..so good

Hey Soggy.... was just readin some article yesterday that quoted FBI stats for 2024..... said that American Jews received just over 10,000 threats this year, up from near 3,000 last year. This year has seen the most threats recorded since tracking began 1979. The Jews make up an estimated 2.4% of the US population, but garner, typically, some 60% of all threats. Prob a higher percentage this year.
Glad the bbq was good. Love Korean ribs.

The 7th of October...do we gotta change another Invasion Day / Kings Birthday / Labour Day?

1513 Battle of Lamotta Day for Venetians > 1591 Battle of Lepanto Day for Turks.

Communist '62/'78/'79/'94 Nuke Testing Day > 1952 Putin's Birthday + 1959 Dark Side of the Moon - Luna 3 Day

1957 UK Nuke Meltdown Day

7th Oct is Mass Devastation Day of Mourning
1737 Calcutta Cyclone 300,000 Indians dead day.
1963 Hurricane Flora 7,190 US dead day!
1871 Great Mid West Fires burn 2,000 US dead day
2005 Kashmir Earthquake 86,000 Pakistani's dead day
2023 Afghanistan Earthquake 2,500 Afghans died a year ago today
Pause : Where in our hearts do we include this most recent more devastating loss.
Be honest when did any last see an Afghanistan Flag...that died in droves from our hand on this day!

Motioning 7th Oct first be of Oz apology to our victims before selling it to more privileged mourners!

7th Oct is Terror threat day of mourning
1938 [J] Passport Day
1944 Jews burn down German Crematorium day.
1985 (Release 50 Palestinian Prisoners) Achille Lauro Hijacking day
1990 Israel : "Enemy is gonna bomb us with nerve gas!" (4.6m Gas Mask handout Day)
2000 Hezbollah kill 3 IDF in cross border Raid day.
2001 US / OZ wmd WOT (Crescent Wind) Invasion day killing 3,500/6,000 of innocent Afghan people.
2004 Sinai Bombings 34 dead day
2022 Ukraine Mass Grave discovery of 180 dead day of mourning
2023 Ukraine 188 recorded dead on this day

2022-23 New Israeli Govt ramped Gaza raids with highest kill rate in over 20 years
2023 UN/EU Condemned worst 20 years (July) Israeli 2,000 Israeli army House & Garden Gaza Raid
4,000 flee Gaza > Israel forces continued blocking access to Gaza > Journos being shot at!
7 Oct 2023 Hamas retaliate with 1,500 Al-Aqsa Flood raid on Israel killing 1,175 Army / innocents / 240 hostages
7 Oct 2023 Israel claims an extra 200 Hamas were killed on this same day.

Many leaders bizarrely claim Palestinians never suffered on this particular Date 7th Oct.
Mandating that Palestinians are lesser people or less deserving of mourning on this specific date!
All are free to access open records (Above > next!) "Strictly relating to 7th Oct Date of mourning"

Israel assaults on Palestinians Strictly pertaining only to 7th Oct 2008 > 2023
2078 Incursions 164 Aerial-13 Raids 135 Attacks 264 Raids 233 Hostages 110 injured 206 deaths

Ask! What elected officials can't access open records to see obvious truth to correct their lies...
We all know they can and that they refuse thru racism, ignorance and hatred of other peoples.
We also know the same war mongers promote the killing of innocents as a good thing to be rewarded!

Again all are equally free to access current to today's 7th Oct 2024 mourning
From 7 Oct 2023 to 7 Oct 2024 this day
Israelis 1,200 dead + 8,700 injured / 240 Hostages
Palestinians 41,870 dead (16,756 kids) +(11,346) women + 96,700 injured / 10,000 Hostages
Lebanon 2,061 Dead + 9,662 Injured

Israel War on World extends to now killing 100's of innocents from over 40 countries
Mandating and extorting innocents at own cost to evacuate their widening Global invasion
Israel have boobie trapped Global Emergency Health / Security network with perpetrators at large.
As their leader says...nowhere is safe > they have eyes everywhere & threaten the world whole.

Common sense and decency sees mourning on 7 Oct Date is shared by all.
Plain for any observer to see many nations & peoples lay larger claim to mourning above the loudest.
Why Australian leaders blatantly honour Globally condemned invaders & ban mass suffering innocents.
Why are aggressors rewarded Keys to the City's Jewels while their victims banned from street gutters.
Why we don't first free victims of our hand on this date before gifting it to condemned warmongers!

Howard's coalition of Willing killed 3,500 innocents on this day...it's least ours to give!

[ factcheck ]
Israel bully Oz to weaponize CBDs to part kill & adopt fleeing evacuees
Every Oz city now builds bombs that floods own victims back to burden our red right hand.
Israel extorts Oz to kill, maim, evacuate, welcome, house, heal, feed people they swear don't exist.
This madness knows no bounds...

Here's how absurd the cost of PM Howard cheering #1 Oz made Flags of our own invisible Victims
Oz/Aboriginal/Israel/Palestine
$73... $83.. $110 $190
$197 $224 $233 $325
Almost as if our leaders & Traders are openly profiteering from our #1 poorest invisible victims.
Huh! Ask how all can clearly visualise that mark up of Oz new #1 Icon....WTFU Straya! Full of shit!
Clear to all #1 Palestine Merch & Artizans are keeping Oz Cities from going bankrupt!
Yet when Invisible evacuees revive Aussie Ghost towns > Govts / Council hire cops to bully them out.
7th Oct Killers exclusively sell date to fellow VIP Perpetrators that refuse to share day with innocents.

Oz must first wash blood from their hands by apologizing to their 7th Oct Victims.
Breaks tbb's heart to say others are more deserving to mourn 7th Oct and they're forever invisible to us!
How about we apologize and offer our victims their fair share of mourning on this day!

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soggydog wrote:

Not sure if Anyone has seen the Weekend Australian but apparently Australian Jews are still the biggest victims of this escalating conflict. Was pretty stoked to get off the plane from Indo and step straight into a free Palestine March in Perth.
The n ate Korean BBQ……..so good

Hey Soggy.... was just readin some article yesterday that quoted FBI stats for 2024..... said that American Jews received just over 10,000 threats this year, up from near 3,000 last year. This year has seen the most threats recorded since tracking began 1979. The Jews make up an estimated 2.4% of the US population, but garner, typically, some 60% of all threats. Prob a higher percentage this year.
Glad the bbq was good. Love Korean ribs.

You are probably right Wax but what are the metrics, Australian Jews say they’ve experienced an increase in anti-semetism. But in Australia only a Pro Palestinian supporter has had a homemade bomb placed on his car for displaying a Palestinian flag. And in the US didn’t the doxing and threatening the future employment opportunities of students protesting Israel’s occupation come from Zionist lobby groups. Given those actions could an increase in rhetoric against Zionism be possible.
But yeah besides all the dead people, they’re the victims.

No hiding for the war criminals when they film themselves.

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- ballad of bibi

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Govt : Evacuate Israel [NOW!]
https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destinations/middle-east/israel-and-occ...

Why & How...
Israel are not happy invading other countries to blatantly murder innocents from over 40 nations.
Now Israel order 50 Nations to leave any or all countries at their will...don't argue!
As of now the whole world are Israel's Prisoners no matter where or what country or Tech device.
All now fear being killed by Israel...anywhere any Time!
Hence the Warning...travel as far from Israeli Killing Machine as possible...Yes Now!

They now claim Aussie Peace Keepers are Shielding Hezbollah and hostaged by them...
No! It matters not where on Earth...Israel will target Aussies!

31st March : Israel shelling at Lebanese Peace keeping troops, deny maiming Oz Paladin Peacekeeper!
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/israel-denies-responsibility-for-bor...

Israel keep targeting & killing innocent Aussie peacekeepers in many Countries!

7th Oct : Unarmed Aussie Paladin Peace Keeper Troops fear being attacked by Israel.
Unifil issued a statement saying they fear their welfare with activities of breaching Israel Troops
This is extremely Dangerous as Israel Tanks move in close upon their unarmed 1956 peace post
Israel called on Aussies Peacekeepers to abort their Peacekeeper duty & evacuate their post!
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/australia-has-12-peacekeepers-in-the...

13th Oct : Israel begin firing multiple shells upon Aussie Base with Israeli Tanks smashing thru gates.
Troops storming & maiming 15 peacekeepers.
Israel again claim they're under attack & seek safety in Peace Post.
Instead of Thanking Aussies they order Aussies to evacuate 1956 Peace Keeping Post .
No point fighting over crossfire...Israel has been threatening and killing Aussies in every way from Day 1.

This time, no denying they tried to kill Aussies & Infiltrate Aussie's base & order Aussies to abort Peace!
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/dfat-says-it-has-told-israel-targeti...

Oz Govt plead with Israel not to invade & kill unarmed Aussies.
Constantly fire upon & Cowardly Attack & maim our unarmed troops then order Oz troops out. (NOW!)

Dutto will undoubtedly cheer & fight with Israel Army to attack Oz base and maim Oz Soldiers...
Then mandate an Oz holiday for Israel killing Aussies...
Lib Party Polls Sky Rocket ahead of Govt with News of Israel attacking unarmed Aussie defence post.

Think tbb is joking...
Aussies love being attacked & murdered by Dutto's Israel > Dutto's Polls Skyrocket.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coalition-takes-the-lead-in-new-poll-f...

Since this invasion of Oz base & attack on Aussies > Oz PM warns Aussies not visit our Invader's land.
Correct! Aussies are warned not to visit or enter Israel and evacuate (NOW)

Again! This is not a joke..
Dutto's Holy Nutters threaten to kill Aussies > [L] Polls Sky Rocket
Aussies are queuing to Vote [L] for an early death by Dutto's Israeli Weapons or Nuke Armageddon.

If yer a minority ALP voter & wanna live....
Register with Oz Crisis Porthole...Flights are Being Suspended / Air Space closures to Israel Airport
https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destinations/middle-east/israel-and-occ...

Looks like Israel have overstepped their mark by Attacking innocent unarmed Australians...
While Oz peacekeepers defend Lebanon...we are at war with Enemy Israeli invaders attacking us!
Repeat....Govt : Get the hell outta Israel...they won't hesitate to kill more Aussies.
Warmonger Voldemort has picked up the scent of Aussie blood > In 7th Heaven KILL KILL KILL...

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